'Correcting' Trenberth et al.

(See the note below before taking this post seriously – Anthony)

Guest essay by Steven Wilde

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Here we see the classic energy budget analysis supporting the hypothesis that the surface of the Earth is warmer than the S-B equation would predict due to 324 Wm2 of ‘Back Radiation’ from the atmosphere to the surface.

It is proposed that it is Back Radiation that lifts the surface temperature from 255K, as predicted by S-B, to the 288K actually observed because the 324 Back Radiation exceeds the surface radiation to the air of 222 Wm2 ( 390 Wm2 less 168 Wm2) by 102 Wm2. It is suggested that there is a net radiative flow from atmosphere to surface of 102 Wm2.

I now discuss an alternative possibility.

The portions I wish to focus on are:

i) 390 Wm2 Surface Radiation to atmosphere

ii) 78 Wm2 Evapo-transpiration surface to atmosphere

iii) 24 Thermals surface to atmosphere

iv) 324 Back Radiation atmosphere to surface

The budget needs to be amended as follows:

The 78 Wm2 needs to be corrected to zero because the moist adiabatic lapse rate during ascent is less than the dry lapse rate on adiabatic descent which ensures that after the first convective cycle there is as much energy back at the surface as before Evapo-transpiration began.

The 24 Wm2 for thermals needs to be corrected to zero because dry air that rises in thermals then warms back up to the original temperature on descent.

Therefore neither ii) nor iii) should be included in the radiative budget at all. They involve purely non radiative means of energy transfer and have no place in the radiative budget since, being net zero, they do not cool the surface. AGW theory and the Trenberth diagram incorrectly include them as a net surface cooling influence.

Furthermore, they cannot reduce Earth’s surface temperature below 255K because both conduction and convection are slower methods of energy transmission than radiation. To reduce the surface temperature below 255K they would have to work faster than radiation which is obviously not so.

They can only raise a surface temperature above the S-B expectation and for Earth that is 33K.

Once the first convective overturning cycle has been completed neither Thermals nor Evapo-transpiration can have any additional warming effect at the surface provided mass, gravity and insolation remain constant.

As regards iv) the correct figure for the radiative flux from atmosphere to surface should be 222 Wm2 because items ii) and iii) should not have been included.

That also leaves the surface to atmosphere radiative flux at 222 Wm2 which taken with the 168 Wm2 absorbed directly by the surface comes to the 390 Wm2 required for radiation from the surface.

The rest of the energy budget diagram appears to be correct.

So, how to decide whether my interpretation is accurate?

I think it is generally accepted that the lapse rate slope marks the points in the atmosphere where there is energy balance within molecules that are at the correct height for their temperature.

Since the lapse rate slope intersects with the surface it follows that DWIR equals UWIR for a zero net radiative balance if a molecule at the surface is at the correct temperature for its height. If it is not at the correct surface temperature it will simply move towards the correct height by virtue of density variations in the horizontal plane (convection).

Thus, 222 UWIR at the surface should equal 222 DWIR at the surface AND 222 plus 168 should add up to 390 and, of course, it does.

AGW theory erroneously assumes that Thermals and Evapo-transpiration have a net cooling effect on the surface and so they have to uplift the radiative exchange at the surface from 222 Wm2 to 324 Wm2 and additionally they assume that the extra 102 Wm2 is attributable to a net radiative flux towards the surface from the atmosphere.

The truth is that there is no net flow of radiation in any direction at the surface once the air at the surface is at its correct temperature for its height, which is 288K and not 255K. The lapse rate intersecting at the surface tells us that there can be no net radiative flux at the surface when surface temperature is at 288K.

A rise in surface temperature above the S-B prediction is inevitable for an atmosphere capable of conducting and convection because those two processes introduce a delay in the transmission of radiative energy through the system. Conduction and convection are a function of mass held within a gravity field.

Energy being used to hold up the weight of an atmosphere via conduction and convection is no longer available for radiation to space since energy cannot be in two places at once.

The greenhouse effect is therefore a product of atmospheric mass rather than radiative characteristics of constituent molecules as is clearly seen when the Trenberth diagram is corrected and the lapse rate considered.

Since one can never have more than 390 Wm2 at the surface without increasing conduction and convection via changes in mass, gravity or insolation a change in the quantity of GHGs cannot make any difference. All they can do is redistribute energy within the atmosphere.

There is a climate effect from the air circulation changes but, due to the tiny proportion of Earth’s atmospheric mass comprised of GHGs, too small to measure compared to natural variability.

What Happens When Radiative Gases Increase Or Decrease?

Applying the above correction to the Trenberth figures we can now see that 222 Wm2 radiation from the surface to the atmosphere is simply balanced by 222 Wm2 radiation from the atmosphere to the surface. That is the energy being constantly expended by the surface via conduction and convection to keep the weight of the atmosphere off the surface. We must ignore it for the purpose of energy transmission to space since the same energy cannot be in two places at once.

We then have 168 Wm2 left over at the surface which represents energy absorbed by the surface after 30 Wm2 has been reflected from the surface , 77 Wm2 has been reflected by the atmosphere and 67 Wm2 has been absorbed by the atmosphere before it reaches the surface.

That 168 Wm2 is then transferred to the atmosphere by conduction and convection leaving a total of 235 Wm2 in the atmosphere (168 plus 67).

It is that 235 Wm2 that must escape to space if radiative balance is to be maintained.

Now, remember that the lapse rate slope represents the positions in the atmosphere where molecules are at their correct temperature for their height.

At any given moment convection arranges that half the mass of the atmosphere is too warm for its height and half the mass is too cold for its height.

The reason for that is that the convective process runs out of energy to lift the atmosphere any higher against gravity when the two halves equalise.

It must follow that at any given time half of the GHGs must be too warm for their height and the other half too cold for their height.

That results in density differentials that cause the warm molecules to rise and the cold molecules to fall.

If a GHG molecule is too warm for its height then DWIR back to the surface dominates but the molecule rises away from the surface and cools until DWIR again equals UWIR.

If a GHG molecule is too cold for its height then UWIR to space dominates but the molecule then falls until DWIR again equals UWIR.

The net effect is that any potential for GHGs to warm or cool the surface is negated by the height changes relative to the slope of the adiabatic lapse rate.

Let’s now look at how that outgoing 235 Wm2 is dealt with if radiative gas concentrations change.

It is recognised that radiative gases tend to reduce the size of the Atmospheric Window (40 Wm2) so we will assume a reduction from 40 Wm2 to 35 Wm2 by way of example.

If that happens then DWIR for molecules that are too warm for their height will increase but the subsequent rise in height will cause the molecule to rise above its correct position along the lapse rate slope with UWIR to space increasing at the expense of DWIR back to the surface and rising will only stop when DWIR again equals UWIR.

Since UWIR to space increases to compensate for the shrinking of the atmospheric window (from 40 Wm2 to 35 Wm2) the figure for radiative emission from the atmosphere will increase from 165 to 170 which keeps the system in balance with 235 Wm2 still outgoing.

If the atmosphere had no radiative capability at all then radiative emission from the atmosphere would be zero but the Atmospheric Window would release 235 Wm2 from the surface.

If the atmosphere were 100% radiative then the Atmospheric Window from the surface would be zero and the atmosphere would radiate the entire 235 Wm2.

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Note: I’m glad to see a number of people pointing out how flawed the argument is. Every once in awhile we need to take a look at the ‘Slayer’ mentality of thinking about radiative balance, just to keep sharp on the topic. At first I thought this should go straight into the hopper, and then I thought it might make some good target practice, so I published it without any caveat.

Readers did not disappoint.

Now you can watch the fun as they react over at PSI.  – Anthony

P.S. Readers might also enjoy my experiment on debunking the PSI light bulb experiment, and note the reactions in comments, entirely opposite to this one. New WUWT-TV segment: Slaying the ‘slayers’ with Watts

Update: Let me add that the author assuredly should have included a link to the underlying document, Earth’s Global Energy Budget by Kiehl and Trenberth …

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April 14, 2014 6:25 am

“222 Wm2 doesn’t allow for the observed processes of gliders and rain.”
It doesn’t need to since both those factors involve adiabatic processes. The adiabatic non -radiative portion of convective overturning must be considered as a separate energy exchange between surface and atmosphere for the reasons I have already given.
What goes up must come down whether it be the updraft lifting gliders in thermals or the uplift of water vapour leading to rain.
The descent in both cases involves adiabatic warming which is not included in the K & T diagram. Instead, you and K & T add it to DWIR which is double counting.
222 for the purely radiative exchange with 102 for a separate adiabatic exchange is the better solution.

joeldshore
April 14, 2014 6:30 am

phi says:

“The atmosphere is only unstable to convection when the lapse rate exceeds the adiabatic lapse rate.”
Yes but the phenomenon is not adiabatic, there are radiative losses throughout the entire column. Adding GHG tends to decrease these losses; the structure is changed.

The structure in the troposphere is dominated by convection, not the exact distribution of GHGs in the column. Time scales associated with convection tend to be much faster than those associated with radiation (and, needless to say, conduction), which is why the “adiabatic” approximation is often a good one.

“Empirical support for your hypothesis would involve observing a much larger tropical tropospheric amplification (“hot spot”) than the models predict.”
This may be the case: http://www.climatedialogue.org/the-missing-tropical-hot-spot/#comment-791

Color me skeptical. At any rate, it is sort of impossible to defend a theory simultaneously against arguments that it overestimates the hot spot and that it underestimates the hotspot. You guys often like to complain about a non-falsifiable theory. Well, you theory the CO2 is not a major player is non-falsiable if you are willing to claim either that the data disagrees in one direction with the models or in the other direction with the models, depending on your whims at the moment!

Trick
April 14, 2014 6:35 am

Stephen 6:25am: “It doesn’t need to since both those factors involve adiabatic processes.”
Yes. Balance does need them. What goes up for gliders and rain must come down as you agreed above. No up; no down in measured amounts. Gliders need the independent up thermal energy to stay aloft, which cools and descends, they do not operate on radiation.

joeldshore
April 14, 2014 6:36 am

Stephen Wilde says:

For Earth, that energy source is 33K and that additional energy is not available for radiation to space because it is immediately taken up by adiabatic ascent as soon as it is supplied by adiabatic descent.
It is a product of atmospheric mass acquiring energy by conduction and it is entirely separate from atmospheric radiative capability.
The idea that one can maintain such a process without a surface temperature enhancement above that expected from the S-B equation is wholly unphysical and amounts to denial of the most basic principles of thermodynamics.

What a bunch of utter nonsense. There is really nothing else to say about this. Since you have no ability to understand how to apply the laws of physics, you are just making stuff up.

For the fourth time I ask, what is wrong with that ?
I have seen no coherent response to that proposition.

This is because you have no capabilities to distinguish between coherent science, backed up by equations and calculations and a working coherent theory, and the nonsense that you write.

April 14, 2014 7:49 am

Balance does not need an enhancement to DWIR beyond 222 though.
The adiabatic process with the decline in temperature with height determines that the radiative flux within the adiabatic process is balanced at every point along the lapse rate slope for molecules that are at the correct temperature for their height.
So, for air at the surface with a temperature of 288K, DWIR equals UWIR with no net radiative flux.
If you insist on a purely radiative solution then one can deal with it by splitting the radiative fluxes into four components thus:
i) For the diabatic processes 222 from surface to air and 222 from air to surface.
ii) For the adiabatic processes 102 from surface to air and 102 from air to surface.
The point to note is that the 102 in the adiabatic portion is removed by ascent (it becomes gravitational potential energy which does not radiate) and returned by descent (it becomes kinetic energy which does radiate) so it is wrong to add that 102 released on the descent to the radiative flux in the diabatic exchange.
To do so constitutes double counting.
By your account (and that of K & T) there would be 102 returning to the surface via adiabatic descent PLUS 102 returning to the surface from enhanced DWIR.
You can’t have both, not least because that 102 is tied up as gravitational potential energy and therefore unable to radiate downwards whilst in that form.

Trick
April 14, 2014 9:14 am

Stephen 7:49am: “Balance does not need an enhancement to DWIR beyond 222 though.”
Yes still balances; that is because you are ignoring 24+78 up and 24+78 down which doesn’t find enough energy flux to account for gliders & rain which are observed working fine. The cartoon in top post does account for them and the science/observations reasons it does is in the body of the 1997 paper. You can find your answers there.

April 14, 2014 9:29 am

Trick said:
“24+78 up and 24+78 down which doesn’t find enough energy flux to account for gliders & rain ”
It is supplemented by the diabatic energy throughput. The 102 (24 + 78) is just the adiabatic component that returns to the surface on descent.
Joel said:
” you have no ability to understand how to apply the laws of physics, you are just making stuff up.”
Wasn’t it you who was caught suggesting that the Laws of Thermodynamics were the same for lifting a solid object as for lifting gases with an internal circulation ?

April 14, 2014 9:31 am

Joel said :
“Time scales associated with convection tend to be much faster than those associated with radiation (and, needless to say, conduction).
?????
Radiation is as fast as you can get. Convection and conduction are way slower.

Bart
April 14, 2014 9:37 am

joeldshore says:
April 14, 2014 at 6:21 am
“No it doesn’t.”
Yes, it does. The system
dT/dt = -a*T^4 + b*CO2
dCO2/dt = k*(T – To)
is unstable for b and k both greater than zero. T^4 radiation does not stabilize it. No matter how large it gets, there is always an unstable mode. To see this, note that the only equilibrium point is T = To, CO2 = (a/b)*To^4. The perturbation dynamics are then
d(deltaT)/dt = -(4*aTo^3)*deltaT + b*deltaCO2
d(deltaCO2)/dt = k*deltaT
The characteristic equation is
s^2+(4*aTo^3)*s – b*k = 0
which always has a zero in the right half plane. Hence, the equilibrium is unstable and, since it is the only one, the system is unstable.
” If you believe that convection is magically moving energy up to a height where it can escape to space, bypassing the greenhouse gases…”
No, not “bypassing them”. Carrying it to them. They are the radiators. Read comment above.
Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is just like making the radiator fins for an automobile larger. It shields more direct loss of heat via radiation from the engine, but it much more significantly aids the dissipation of heat due to the advection of heat from the engine via the coolant flow. Increasing the fin size would not make the radiator run hotter, but cooler.
The so-called GHGs are the radiator fins for this system. They are the means by which energy transits out of the system.

phi
April 14, 2014 9:38 am

joeldshore,
“…which is why the “adiabatic” approximation is often a good one.”
Yes, this approximation is often sufficient. But not to estimate the effect of GHG increase on surface temperature. In this case, we are precisely in the order of magnitude of the simplification.
There is no doubt that a GHG increase causes a decrease of the radiative part of the up flows. This transfer to convection reduces the lapse rate (see eg Manabe 1964).
That weather balloons appear to confirm this well-established theory seems rather pleasing.

Bart
April 14, 2014 9:40 am

Stephen Wilde says:
April 14, 2014 at 9:31 am
“Radiation is as fast as you can get. Convection and conduction are way slower.”
No. Radiation is a weak means of heat dissipation. It does not matter how fast the photons are moving, it matters how many of them there are, and how often they are released.
This is why we heat and cool our homes and offices via convection. Much more efficient.

Trick
April 14, 2014 9:51 am

Stephen 9:29am: ”It is supplemented by the diabatic energy throughput. The 102 (24 + 78) is just the adiabatic component that returns to the surface on descent.”
Yep, just like shown in the cartoon in top post and ignored in your 222 balance. Gliders do their thing on thermals and rain does its thing after evaporating just like the balance in the top post shows them doing. Your 222 balance is not enough energy flux to allow them to do what they do so well. Maybe you could improve the cartoon showing a little glider on top of the thermals next to where the rain is shown.

Editor
April 14, 2014 10:25 am

joeldshore says:
April 14, 2014 at 6:21 am

… Bart: Do you understand that the only significant flow of energy at the top of the atmosphere (i.e., into or out of the atmosphere) is via radiation and that the amount of radiation emitted depends monotononically on the temperature?

Joel, as always I read and enjoy your posts, and it is quite rare that I find a point of disagreement. Your discussions with Bart are as fruitless as mine, he is quite immovable. However, in the section quoted above, I have to disagree with you.
In that statement, you’ve done what most AGW adherents do. You’ve overlooked the most important variable regarding the amount of radiation leaving the atmosphere, and that is the clouds. A small change in clouds leads to a huge change in TOA radiation, and can occur with a very minimal change in temperature. This means that, contrary to your statement, the amount of radiation emitted does NOT depend monotononically on the temperature.
And in fact, over the main heat input area of the planetary heat engine, the tropics, clouds act in opposition to the temperature. That is to say, the hotter that the system gets, the less energy they allow into the system.
So while I agree with all of the rest of your claims in that comment, I have to take exception to your final statement.
w.

Bart
April 14, 2014 10:42 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
April 14, 2014 at 10:25 am
“…he is quite immovable.”
The mote in mine eye.
Am I? Or, are you? Who gets to be the judge? Will you invoke consensus, without any irony?

joeldshore
April 14, 2014 10:46 am

phi says:

There is no doubt that a GHG increase causes a decrease of the radiative part of the up flows. This transfer to convection reduces the lapse rate (see eg Manabe 1964).
That weather balloons appear to confirm this well-established theory seems rather pleasing.

I’m not sure what you are arguing at this point. If you are saying there is a negative feedback due to a decreasing lapse rate in the tropics as the surface warms, then yes, I agree with you that there is…and, of course, it is present in all the climate models. However, I don’t think there is any good evidence that it is bigger in reality than simulated in the models…In fact, most AGW skeptics have been trying to argue the opposite.
And, I don’t think this feedback has to do with the process that causes the warming; it would be the same independent of what was causing the warming.

joeldshore
April 14, 2014 10:49 am

Willis,
I don’t disagree with anything that you said. I was ignoring cloud feedbacks in the discussion.
Of course, I have problems with your “thermostat hypothesis”…but I agree with you in principle that a change in cloudiness can act as a feedback to either magnify or reduce the warming you get in response to an increase in GHGs.

Editor
April 14, 2014 11:07 am

Bart says:
April 14, 2014 at 10:42 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
April 14, 2014 at 10:25 am

“…he is quite immovable.”

The mote in mine eye.
Am I? Or, are you? Who gets to be the judge? Will you invoke consensus, without any irony?

OK, if so, then point me to somewhere that you admitted it when you were wrong.
I admit it when I’m wrong … but you just keep on insisting you are right. See here for the latest example. That’s what I mean by “immovable”.
Best regards,
w.

April 14, 2014 11:10 am

Bart said:
“No. Radiation is a weak means of heat dissipation. It does not matter how fast the photons are moving, it matters how many of them there are, and how often they are released.
This is why we heat and cool our homes and offices via convection. Much more efficient”
Speed does matter.
The temperature rise as a result of radiation encountering matter in space is a consequence of the matter slowing down the speed of transmission by interposing conduction and convection in place of radiation.
Convection within a closed small area is a different scenario. There, the transfer of energy from the heated element is by both radiation and conduction to the surrounding air which warms very quickly and is then circulated around the confined area.
Try using a convection heater in the open on a windy day..
If you stand near a bonfire on a cold night most of the warming effect is from radiation reaching your body.
Bart also said:
“The so-called GHGs are the radiator fins for this system. They are the means by which energy transits out of the system.”
You can see an illustration of just that in the K & T diagram.
On the way in the atmosphere absorbs only 67 but on the way out it emits 165. The more GHGs that are present the more of the 235 outgoing will be by way of radiation from the atmosphere.
The surface transfers its energy to the air via conduction and GHGs help it to flow out by radiative means rather than requiring it to be returned to the surface first.
GHGs simply alter the balance between the share of outgoing from the surface and the share of outgoing from the atmosphere. If you raise atmospheric outgoing by 5 then the atmospheric window from the surface reduces by 5 to maintain 235 out just as I pointed out in my essay.
If the atmosphere were of 100% radiative efficiency then the atmospheric window from the surface would be zero and the atmospheric emissions would show a corresponding rise.
If the atmosphere were completely transparent radiatively then the size of the atmospheric window from the surface would increase accordingly.
The figure of 30 for clouds is a renegade variable because as Willis says it has the capacity to vary independently of GHG content and in my view is driven primarily by oceans and sun.

Bart
April 14, 2014 11:43 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:07 am
“OK, if so, then point me to somewhere that you admitted it when you were wrong.”
I have not been wrong. I am certainly not wrong in the place you cite. You are an amateur, trying to tell me phenomena I have personally analyzed and measured in the lab are wrong.

Bart
April 14, 2014 11:48 am

Stephen Wilde says:
April 14, 2014 at 11:10 am
“You can see an illustration of just that in the K & T diagram.”
Yes. The problem there is that it is a static quantity, which does not change in response to greater heating. But, that is not a correct viewpoint. Convection increases with heat. This provides a negative feedback which can effectively cancel any radiative heating from the additional GHG.

phi
April 14, 2014 11:58 am

joeldshore,
No, it is not a matter of feedback, this concerns the initial effect. The increase in GHG decreases the efficiency of radiative cooling of the surface and thus changes the relationship between radiative and convective flows.
This particular effect is not taken into account in the models because they make the simplification that you suggested on the adiabatic.
All this is very strange since this phenomenon is perfectly logical, it is of the order of magnitude of the initial effect and we can say it was already identified by Manabe in the 1960s.

April 14, 2014 12:22 pm

Bart said:
“Convection increases with heat. This provides a negative feedback which can effectively cancel any radiative heating from the additional GHG.”
Yes, exactly.
And note that the additional heat can be anywhere in the vertical column which is why it can change convective overturning without changing surface temperature.
Instead of heating the surface, convection moves different amounts of mass above or below the adiabatic lapse rate slope so as to maintain balance between the radiative and conductive fluxes by varying the adiabatic overturning involved in convection up and down.
phi said:
“The increase in GHG decreases the efficiency of radiative cooling of the surface and thus changes the relationship between radiative and convective flows.”
Yes, exactly.
The convective flows change to rebalance outgoing radiation from the atmosphere and outgoing radiation from the surface.
Convection holds the balance between radiation and conduction so that total outgoing energy remains stable.
Some are starting to see it.

joeldshore
April 14, 2014 1:00 pm

Bart says:

The so-called GHGs are the radiator fins for this system. They are the means by which energy transits out of the system.

What you are missing from this picture is the fact that as long as temperature is lower at altitude than at the surface then the effect of absorption of terrestrial radiation by greenhouse gases and its subsequent re-emission will always lead to less radiation escaping from the Earth system (earth + atmosphere) because of the decrease of emission with temperature.
This is why a spectral plot of emissions as seen from space looks the way it does http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gw-petty-6-6.jpg with less emission at wavelengths where there is stronger absorption and emission by greenhouse gases.

Bart
April 14, 2014 1:51 pm

joeldshore says:
April 14, 2014 at 1:00 pm
No. The reason the spectral plot of emissions is missing a chunk of red is that the oceans are blue. And, they are blue whether you are looking at the blue marble from space, or from the edge of a dock.
What you need to show to establish what you are trying to establish is the spectrum of the difference between radiation at the surface and TOA. That would tell you the atmospheric transmission. This does not.

April 14, 2014 1:56 pm

“less emission at wavelengths where there is stronger absorption and emission by greenhouse gases.”
Not so simple:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/10/visualizing-the-greenhouse-effect-emission-spectra/
Since energy absorbed by surface and atmosphere always matches energy lost to space by surface and atmosphere the fact is that changes in convection alter the structure of the atmosphere as necessary to negate the effects of GHGs and other internal system forcing elements.
Convection changes take effect throughout the vertical column and so do not need to affect surface temperature because the amount of energy held by atmospheric molecules in the form of gravitational potential energy is free to vary with height changes as they move up and down relative to the adiabatic lapse rate slope.
As long as convection maintains the lapse rate slope set by mass and gravity (bynetting out all the changes from internal forcing elements such as GHGs) the surface temperature does not need to change
Otherwise no thermostatic mechanism could exist yet many here, including Willis, are convinced that there is such a thing.