It Isn’t How Climate Scientists Communicated their Message; It’s the Message

Over the past few months, there have been a number of articles about how the climate science community could have presented their message differently, or responded differently, so that they could have avoided the problem they’re now facing with the halt in global warming. Example: the problems with communications by climate scientists to the public were the subject of a recent editorial, and linked webpages, at Nature Climate Change titled Scientist communicators. In reading it, you’ll find the editorial is really nothing more than a rephrasing of manmade-global-warming dogma.

One of the climate science community’s primary problems was a very basic message…an intentionally misleading message. That is, it wasn’t how it was communicated; it was the message itself. I ran across that message again as I was searching for links for a chapter on atmospheric temperatures for my upcoming book The Oceans Ate My Global Warming. It appeared on the Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) Climate Analysis webpage. That webpage includes data that runs through 2013 in many cases, so it’s relatively new. Under the heading of TROPOSPERIC TEMPERATURE, RSS write (my boldface):

Over the past decade, we have been collaborating with Ben Santer at LLNL (along with numerous other investigators) to compare our tropospheric results with the predictions of climate models. Our results can be summarized as follows:

  • Over the past 35 years, the troposphere has warmed significantly. The global average temperature has risen at an average rate of about 0.13 degrees Kelvin per decade (0.23 degrees F per decade).
  • Climate models cannot explain this warming if human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are not included as input to the model simulation.
  • The spatial pattern of warming is consistent with human-induced warming. See Santer et al 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012 for more about the detection and attribution of human induced changes in atmospheric temperature using MSU/AMSU data.

The message from the climate science community has been and continues to be:

  • If climate models are not forced by manmade greenhouse gases, then the models cannot simulate the warming from the mid-1970s to the turn of the century, and
  • If climate models are forced by manmade greenhouse gases, then the models can simulate the warming from the mid-1970s to the turn of the century,
  • Both of which lead to the stated conclusion that only manmade greenhouse gases can explain the observed warming from the mid-1970s to the turn of the century.

IPCC 4th ASSESSMENT REPORT

The IPCC was blatant in their presentation of that misleading message in the 4th Assessment Report. It appeared in the AR4 Summary for Policymakers. The fourth bullet-pointed paragraph on their page 10 reads (my boldface):

It is likely that there has been significant anthropogenic warming over the past 50 years averaged over each continent except Antarctica (see Figure SPM.4). The observed patterns of warming, including greater warming over land than over the ocean, and their changes over time, are only simulated by models that include anthropogenic forcing. The ability of coupled climate models to simulate the observed temperature evolution on each of six continents provides stronger evidence of human influence on climate than was available in the TAR. {3.2, 9.4}

Figure SPM.4 from AR4 is presented as my Figure 1. Figure 1 - AR4 Figure SPM.4 Figure 1 (Figure SPM.4 from AR4)

They then further reinforced that message with their Figure 9.5 of AR4’s Chapter 9. The accompanying text, under the heading of “9.4.1.2 Simulations of the 20th Century” reads:

Figure 9.5 shows that simulations that incorporate anthropogenic forcings, including increasing greenhouse gas concentrations and the effects of aerosols, and that also incorporate natural external forcings provide a consistent explanation of the observed temperature record, whereas simulations that include only natural forcings do not simulate the warming observed over the last three decades.

Figure 9.5 from AR4 is presented as my Figure 2. Figure 2 - AR4 Figure 9.5

Figure 2 (AR4 Figure 9.5)

IPCC 5th ASSESSMENT REPORT

The IPCC continued with their misleading presentation of climate models (with and without anthropogenic forcings) in AR5. It was presented as Figure TS.9 on page 60 of the Full Working Group 1 AR5 Report (Caution 357MB). The IPCC writes:

Observed GMST anomalies relative to 1880–1919 in recent years lie well outside the range of GMST anomalies in CMIP5 simulations with natural forcing only, but are consistent with the ensemble of CMIP5 simulations including both anthropogenic and natural forcing (Figure TS.9) even though some individual models overestimate the warming trend, while others underestimate it. Simulations with WMGHG changes only, and no aerosol changes, generally exhibit stronger warming than has been observed (Figure TS.9). Observed temperature trends over the period 1951–2010, which are characterized by warming over most of the globe with the most intense warming over the NH continents, are, at most observed locations, consistent with the temperature trends in CMIP5 simulations including anthropogenic and natural forcings and inconsistent with the temperature trends in CMIP5 simulations including natural forcings only. A number of studies have investigated the effects of the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO) on GMST. Although some studies find a significant role for the AMO in driving multi-decadal variability in GMST, the AMO exhibited little trend over the period 1951–2010 on which the current assessments are based, and the AMO is assessed with high confidence to have made little contribution to the GMST trend between 1951 and 2010 (considerably less than 0.1°C). {2.4, 9.8.1, 10.3; FAQ 9.1}

My Figure 3 is the IPCC Figure TS.9 from AR5. Figure 3 - AR5 Figure TS.9

Figure 3 (AR5 Figure TS.9)

Then the IPCC added a new wrinkle…they shifted focus. Instead of stating that the warming is “only simulated by models that include anthropogenic forcing”, they use the misleading model comparisons as proof that the “human influence has been detected”.

The Summary for Policymakers for their 5th Assessment Report (AR5) reads:

D.3 Detection and Attribution of Climate Change Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reductions in snow and ice, in global mean sea level rise, and in changes in some climate extremes (see Figure SPM.6 and Table SPM.1). This evidence for human influence has grown since AR4. It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. {10.3–10.6, 10.9}

Their Figure SPM.6 from AR5 is presented as my Figure 4. Figure 4 - AR5 Figure SPM.6

Figure 4 (Figure SPM.6 from AR5)

The IPCC continues on page 74 of the full AR5 WG1 report. The simulations with anthropogenic and natural forcings are described as “emerging anthropogenic and natural signals”, while simulations with only natural forcings are being described as “the alternative hypothesis of just natural variations”:

The coherence of observed changes with simulations of anthropogenic and natural forcing in the physical system is remarkable (Figure TS.12), particularly for temperature-related variables. Surface temperature and ocean heat content show emerging anthropogenic and natural signals in both records, and a clear separation from the alternative hypothesis of just natural variations. These signals do not appear just in the global means, but also appear at regional scales on continents and in ocean basins in each of these variables. Sea ice extent emerges clearly from the range of internal variability for the Arctic. At sub-continental scales human influence is likely to have substantially increased the probability of occurrence of heat waves in some locations. {Table 10.1}

My Figure 5 is AR5 Figure TS.12. Figure 5 - AR5 Figure TS.12 Figure 5 (Figure TS.12 from AR5)

The IPCC then presents a series of similar graphs on page 930 in their Figure 10.21, and continues with their misrepresentation of climate model capabilities. On page 927, under the heading of “10.9.2 Whole Climate System”, they write (my boldface), again using the “emerging anthropogenic and natural signals” and “alternative hypothesis of just natural variations”:

To demonstrate how observed changes across the climate system can be understood in terms of natural and anthropogenic causes Figure 10.21 compares observed and modelled changes in the atmosphere, ocean and cryosphere. The instrumental records associated with each element of the climate system are generally independent (see FAQ 2.1), and consequently joint interpretations across observations from the main components of the climate system increases the confidence to higher levels than from any single study or component of the climate system. The ability of climate models to replicate observed changes (to within internal variability) across a wide suite of climate indicators also builds confidence in the capacity of the models to simulate the Earth’s climate.

The coherence of observed changes for the variables shown in Figure 10.21 with climate model simulations that include anthropogenic and natural forcing is remarkable. Surface temperatures over land, SSTs and ocean heat content changes show emerging anthropogenic and natural signals with a clear separation between the observed changes and the alternative hypothesis of just natural variations (Figure 10.21, Global panels). These signals appear not just in the global means, but also at continental and ocean basin scales in these variables. Sea ice emerges strongly from the range expected from natural variability for the Arctic and Antarctica remains broadly within the range of natural variability consistent with expectations from model simulations including anthropogenic forcings.

My Figure 6 is the IPCC’s Figure 10.21 from AR5. Figure 6 - AR5 Figure 10.21 Figure 6 (Figure 10.21 from AR5)

The IPCC must like those model-data comparisons, because they certainly do like to offer variations of them.

Unfortunately for the IPCC, the models they show with only natural forcings (the blue curves) do not present natural variability. The climate models employed by the IPCC cannot simulate naturally occurring, coupled, ocean-atmosphere processes that cause multidecadal variations in surface temperatures. These variations are most evident in the surface temperatures of the Northern Hemisphere, and they are driven by the naturally occurring multidecadal variations in North Atlantic sea surface temperatures (known as the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation) and the naturally occurring multidecadal variations in North Pacific sea surface temperatures (not represented by the Pacific Decadal Oscillation/PDO data). See the post Multidecadal Variations and Sea Surface Temperature Reconstructions.

Figures 7 and 8 are model-data comparisons for the sea surface temperature anomalies of the North Pacific and the North Atlantic for the period of Jan 1870 to Feb 2014. The model outputs and data have been detrended. The models are represented by the multi-model ensemble-member mean of the CMIP5-archived model simulations of sea surface temperature for the respective ocean basins. Those are the models used by the IPCC for their 5th Assessment Report. The model mean represents the forced-component of the climate models, or, in other words, the model mean represents how the sea surface temperatures would vary if they varied in response to the anthropogenic and natural forcings used to drive the climate models. (For further information about that topic, see the post On the Use of the Multi-Model Mean.) The data is the ERSST.v3b sea surface temperature data used by GISS and NCDC in their global land+sea surface temperature products. The detrended data and model outputs have been smoothed with 61-month running-average filters to minimize the annual variations, thereby highlighting the decadal and multidecadal variations.

As illustrated, the forced component of the models (the model mean) fails to produce the multidecadal variations in the sea surface temperatures of the North Pacific and North Atlantic Oceans. This indicates the sea surface temperatures of the North Pacific and North Atlantic are capable of varying over decadal and multidecadal timeframes without being forced to do so by manmade greenhouse gases and aerosols. Figure 7 Figure 7

# # # # Figure 8 Figure 8

Keeping in mind that we’re looking at detrended data, the models do not simulate the cooling that took place from the late-1800s to the 1910s, and they failed to simulate the warming from the 1910s to the early-1940s. Likewise, the models failed to simulate the cooling from the early-1940s to the mid-1970s, and they do a poor job of simulating the warming from the mid-1970s to the turn of the century…even though the models are tuned to the late warming period. (See Mauritsen, et al. (2012) Tuning the Climate of a Global Model [paywalled]. A preprint edition is here.)

It’s hard to imagine how the IPCC can claim that the climate models with only natural forcings could somehow represent “the alternative hypothesis of just natural variations”, when the models with natural and anthropogenic forcings cannot simulate the “natural variations”.

Let’s return to the quote from the Technical Summary about the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation. They wrote:

A number of studies have investigated the effects of the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO) on GMST. Although some studies find a significant role for the AMO in driving multi-decadal variability in GMST, the AMO exhibited little trend over the period 1951–2010 on which the current assessments are based, and the AMO is assessed with high confidence to have made little contribution to the GMST trend between 1951 and 2010 (considerably less than 0.1°C). {2.4, 9.8.1, 10.3; FAQ 9.1}

First, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation is represented by detrended North Atlantic sea surface temperature anomalies, using the coordinates of 0-70N, 80W-0. Refer again to the model-data comparison in Figure 8.

Second, it’s of little importance if the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation contributed little to the global mean surface temperature from 1951-2010. What is important is that the IPCC is overlooking the fact that they tuned their models to naturally occurring upswings in the sea surface temperatures of the North Atlantic and North Pacific, and extended their projections from those upswings…without considering the likelihood that the upswings would be followed by a naturally occurring downturns in the surface temperatures of both basins. In other words, they did not tune the models to the long-term trends of the Northern Hemisphere sea surface temperature datasets, which account for the multidecadal variations; they tuned the models to the recent high-trend period that represents only one-half of “cycles”. See Figures 9 and 10. Figure 9 Figure 9

# # # # Figure 10 Figure 10

Yet the climate science community somehow seems surprised that global surface temperatures have stopped warming. They look more and more foolish with every passing year and with each new IPCC assessment report.

ADDING INSULT TO INJURY

As I have presented on numerous occasions over the past 5 years, ocean heat content data and satellite-era sea surface temperature data both indicate that naturally occurring processes are responsible for the warming of the global oceans, not manmade greenhouse gases. If this topic is new to you, please refer to the free illustrated essay “The Manmade Global Warming Challenge” (42MB) for an introduction. The discussions and documentation are much more detailed in my ebook Who Turned on the Heat?

SIDE NOTE

You may wish to continue to read the RSS Climate Analysis webpage because they then go on to write (their boldface):

But….

The troposphere has not warmed as fast as almost all climate models predict.

And then RSS present three model-data comparisons that show the models failing to simulate lower troposphere temperatures globally and in the tropics and that only Arctic lower troposphere temperatures are warming as predicted by models.

CLOSING

As I was writing this, it occurred to me that this post would make a good supplement to my ebook Climate Models Fail. I’ll try to prepare a pdf edition of this post for those who are collecting them. Please check back in a couple of days.

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paullinsay
March 7, 2014 11:16 am

rgbatduke says:
March 7, 2014 at 8:01 am
“How about letting the leaders of the world known[sic] that when four GCMs were applied to a toy problem vastly simpler than the actual Earth (a simple water world) all four converged to completely different climates, climates that had completely distinct temperatures, circulatory structure, and heat flow?”
I did research on nonlinear dynamics, aka, chaos theory, for nearly twenty years and from my experience, these guys are pikers. I’m amazed that they couldn’t get four, a dozen, or even hundreds of distinct climates out of just a single model by simply twiddling the initial conditions a bit. Even simple iterated maps with three or four dimensions can give you multiple distinct strange attractors. They should be able to do much better with Navier-Stokes and an effectively infinite dimensional system.
It might be an interesting student project if you could get the code for one of the models and see how many different “Water Worlds” there are.

Aphan
March 7, 2014 11:16 am

Bruce Cobb…you’re hilarious! No wonder Mann et al always look like they’re suffering from indigestion. 🙂

rgbatduke
March 7, 2014 11:38 am

As Lindzen asks tin the APS climate seminar transcript – how well do the models reproduce the [natural] warming up to 1940, which cannot be greenhouse gas related? [The answer] is that they don’t reproduce the temperature increase very well and they overshoot the timing.
It’s a bit worse than this. Figure 9.8 in AR5 — poorly conceived and illegible as it is — is damning.
First of all “the modelS” (note plural) don’t do anything at all, as there is no meaningful statistical description of an ensemble of models. One can only judge one model at a time.
To the extent one tries do do something with the MME — hoping that the flaws in all of the flawed models will somehow cancel out, in spite of the amusing observation about whipping poo into chocolate mousse up above — well, the MME mean is the red line in 9.8a, and there is HADCRUT4 as the black line. Mentally integrate the difference between the red line and the black line over time. This integral should end up being very close to zero if the red line is a good representation of the black line within unbiased statistical noise. Without having numbers to sum, I get a mental estimate of around +10-15 ^\circC-years — on the order of a tenth of a degree over per year, on average (there are multiple decadal stretches visible where the red line is as much as 0.5 C in excess of the black line, and almost no stretches at all where the black line exceeds the red line by one whole 0.1 C). This is an absurdly large systematic error in the MME mean, and is sufficient cause to reject any sort of null hypothesis that the models on average are correct, unsurprising since there is no reason to think that the mean of unvalidated models constitutes a validated model.
This is also sufficient reason to conclude that all of the models in the MME cannot be correct — at least some of them must badly fail. But if one plots the spaghetti strands in the CMIP5 ensemble individually against HADCRUT4, do you think any of them would produce a believable fit? I don’t. I think that the p-value for every single model over the entire interval very likely sucks — any that don’t just fail a hypothesis test badly won’t do well on it, they will almost fail. This is evident because HADCRUT4 spends around half of its time at the lower bound of the entire CMIP5 envelope, most prominently in the range from 1900 to 1950 and in the range from 2000 to the present. Even in the reference period, HADCRUT4 spends far more time close to the lower edge of the envelope than the upper. This figure, of course, makes it impossible to do better, but it suffices to indicate that there are serious problems with CMIP5 and that yes, as paragraph 9.2.2.3 indicates, it is probably stupid to plot the Multimodel “Ensemble” flat supermean of the Perturbed Parameter Ensemble means of 36 non-independent models with different computational weights (in terms of contributing PPE counts) and without rejecting the obviously failed models in the ensemble and pretend that it has some predictive force. Too bad they didn’t put that paragraph in the summary for policy makers.
The EMIC models actually do much better, but there there is a clear trend and crossover. They actually are too cold in the remote past (and hence still exaggerate the warming of the models, but in a less evident way) and cross over during the reference period in such a way that one could almost believe that there is a decent model or two in there.
Curiously, the EMIC (Earth Models of Intermediate Complexity) models — which look like they are doing fairly WELL in the recent past, nicely tracking at least the beginning of “the pause” — do not extend past 2005. I wonder why? Could it be because, if they are run to the present, they actually predict the lack of warming, and if run into the indefinite future they show greatly diminished climate sensitivity? Or perhaps they aren’t really predictive models at all and cannot be run into the future. I couldn’t really tell from reading AR5.
rgb

Bruce Cobb
March 7, 2014 11:49 am

Aphan says:
Thanks. The best part is, they can’t blame the cook(s)!

Aphan
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 7, 2014 1:32 pm

Bruce,
I CAN blame the Cook! And the Nuccitelli, and the Mann and the Lewandowski…..:)

Matthew R Marler
March 7, 2014 12:00 pm

In figures 7 and 8, what “trend” was removed? Linear increase through the observation period?

rgbatduke
March 7, 2014 12:02 pm

It might be an interesting student project if you could get the code for one of the models and see how many different “Water Worlds” there are.
This is, of course, the point of the Perturbed Parameter Ensemble application of the models (which is statistically one of the few bright spots in the attempt to model the insanely difficult N-S system. As you say, from any given (neighborhood of) a starting condition they do indeed get a substantial spread of future climates, and then attempt to reduce that spread to some sort of mean future climate. This per-model PPE mean is then super-averaged into the Multi-Model Ensemble mean.
All of which is enough to make me want to just beat my head against the wall. You can dress all of this up in as many learned publications as you like and it will still be deeply suspect methodology with no theoretically defensible predictive force. At least per model, you can look at the spread of future PPE climates and see if the real climate is decently represented by any of them, although even then one has to look at and compare the entirety of EACH trajectory to reality and not whether the PPE “envelope” of a given model “contains” reality (between five or ten models that sometimes descend to it, briefly). That’s the fundamental sham of figure 1.4 in the SPM — just because the envelope of all of the GCMs barely contains reality doesn’t make one single model in the entire ensemble plausible.
But yes, I sometimes wonder if the climate modellers have ever heard of strange attractors at all, let alone put any effort into trying to understand a NON-microscopic decomposition into large scale climate modes that are likely associated with long-lived attractors in the actual Earth climate system. Everything is linearized. Turn the CO_2 crank, up goes the temperature, and let’s throw in some H_2O linked positive feedback for good measure.
One can put together a decent non-linear argument for the assertion that rapid warming could trigger the next ice age. Ice melt in the arctic freshens surface waters, slows and shifts the north atlantic turnover in the global thermohaline circulation enough to cause it to phase lock to a new pattern further south. Heat stops being transported to the Arctic and northern Europe, which consequently cools. Whatever governs the tipping point into the known, major cold phase attractor dominating the Pliestocene ice age, the climate tips and the Holocene ends. We know from the Ordovician-Silurian transition that glaciation tips millions of years long have occurred in the past at CO_2 levels 10x or more the current level, so we have no good reason to think that they are impossible now. This freshwater blocking of the thermohaline circulation is one of the explanations offered for the Younger Dryas return to glaciation shortly after the Wisconsin glacial era started to end.
I just don’t think people appreciate either the depth of our ignorance, the impotence of our computational capability to solve problems of this complexity with anything like predictive force, or just how completely strongly nonlinear systems can confound your simple linear response expectations.
But we might eventually find out…

john robertson
March 7, 2014 12:15 pm

I find their communications to have been very effective.
The message was their willingness to deceive for the cause.
Name-calling, abuse and attack upon any who requested evidence for the extraordinary claims of catastrophic Global Warming, with or without the anthropogenic component.
Then the shift to Calamitous Climate Change, weak and deceptive communication from weak and deceptive academics.
What the belief, regardless of empirical scientific evidence, indicates is a person not suitable to partake in setting public policy.
Thanks to this nonsense, the fools and bandits who staff our governments are fully exposed.
What we do next, will set the tone of these kleptocracies for years to come.
Do we continue to reward incompetence, sloth and treason from our parasites?

March 7, 2014 12:21 pm

Reblogged this on Power To The People and commented:
“Climate models cannot explain this warming if human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are not included as input to the model simulation”. Climate models are wrong then. Even the IPCC knows that. They are just hiding the fact from everyone to justify denying people access to cheap and reliable energy from fossil fuel which is pretty sick don’t you think?
http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2014/02/Oversensitive-How-The-IPCC-hid-the-Good-News-on-Global-Warming.pdf

basicstats
March 7, 2014 12:33 pm

@rgbatduke
Pedantic to quibble with such a good summary, but I think your description of the properties of solutions to Navier-Stokes equations actually describes the numerical approximations incorporated into GCMs etc. Actual solution of these pde’s is still, as far as I know, one of the top ten unsolved problems in mathematics ($1million if you can do it). So the numerical methods used in climate models likely produce ill-specified, chaotic dynamics and it is not even clear whether they relate accurately to the solutions of the actual fluid dynamics equations, about which relatively little is known!

Chad Wozniak
March 7, 2014 12:48 pm

Simple: They lied.

There are 10s of thousands of scientists who do not buy, never did buy the CAGW lie. See the Oregon petition; see the NIPCC’s publications. A HUGE MAJORITY of scientists have ALWAYS rejected the bullshit, but have been ignored by the idolatrous media and the corrupt academic journals.

March 7, 2014 1:43 pm

rgbatduke says:
March 7, 2014 at 8:01 am
Over the past few months, there have been a number of articles about how the climate science community could have presented their message differently, or responded differently, so that they could have avoided the problem they’re now facing with the halt in global warming.
Wait! I know, I know, call on me!

They haven’t called on anyone who uses proper science and common sense so far. I suspect that since you do, you are on their “do not call” list.
Sorry.

NRG22
March 7, 2014 1:55 pm

I just heard about this, in the US Democrat Senators plan all-nighter on climate change.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-democrats-climate-change.
God help us all.

Randy
March 7, 2014 1:56 pm

you dont even need to go to this level to make this argument look like a joke…
What always struck me as insanely bizarre about this particular line of posturing is the fact that right in the IPCC report itself, they list basically every variable except co2s effect as having a low level of consensus and understanding. In this context the idea the models do not explain the warming of that period if only “natural” factors are included is meaningless, because we literally do not fully understand the variables involved. Considering that co2s effect is extrapolated from variables we literally do not full understand by itself tells us that the single variable the IPCC claims to understand simply cannot be fully correct, unless it was by some wild coincidence and stroke of luck. The idea that so many sources agree when in general they weight the same not fully understood variables in very similar ways is also meaningless. Pretending this is all “robust” as we often hear just takes this all to near the point of being criminal as far as I am concerned. It certainly isn’t science.
Then of course the obvious question is then why do these models then fail to explain the current lack of warming? Doh! There is obvious agenda here, which is disturbing. It actually speaks very poorly of human cognition that this isnt obvious to more otherwise intelligent people. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. Meanwhile very real and pressing environmental issues are nearly ignored. It is a brave new world.

Gamecock
March 7, 2014 2:00 pm

rgbatduke says:
March 7, 2014 at 11:38 am
First of all “the modelS” (note plural) don’t do anything at all,
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Ah, the models. They have become the Holy Ghost of the Climate religion. I’m sure they exist somewhere, but the vast majority of people who invoke The Climate Models, couldn’t name one, or otherwise provide any knowledge of them whatsoever.
Excellent analysis, rgb. Thanks! I’m just saying that the models being grossly flawed will not get them dismissed. Not yet, at least.

March 7, 2014 2:16 pm

It’s like saying “I have models of humans and dogs driving, but only the models that have dogs doing 90% of the driving can explain traffic accident rates.” That excludes the possibility that you just suck at modelling. That becomes a near-certainty when you talk about incredibly-difficult-to-model phenomena like the global climate system.

Aphan
Reply to  talldave2
March 7, 2014 2:28 pm

talldave2,
You might owe me a laptop. I spewed Pepsi Maxx all over it while reading your last post. Do you mind if I quote you every time someone brings up models? Still laughing….choking a little…but laughing….

March 7, 2014 2:21 pm

” You can dress all of this up in as many learned publications as you like and it will still be deeply suspect methodology with no theoretically defensible predictive force. ”
Hear, hear.
The most amazing thing in this whole “debate” is that there was never any reason to think anyone could predict climate in the relevant ranges. In 1974, attempting to do so was called “practicing necromancy” by MIT. The only real change since then is an apparent decrease in critical thinking skills.

mbur
March 7, 2014 2:34 pm

When the ‘evidence’ is warm temperature and no ice/snow and you employ a fleet of icebreakers and shovelers and snow-plows. And still there’s ice…!
Does not look good.
When the sea level was rising, some-one checked and it was by…. millimeters.
Does not look good.
When people need and want electricity/fuel to continue to deFy the climate …you reduce the supply and increase costs?
Does not look good.
When you say the science is settled…and then add change to the name of your cause.
Does not look good.
Is that enough of a communication problem?
Change may be the right word but i’m not sure it’s the climate.
Thanks for the interesting articles and comments.

Leonard Jones
March 7, 2014 2:51 pm

In order to explain the “Pause,” the warmists actually said that CO2 from volcanic eruptions
explained it. What, I thought CO2 caused it?
No amount of evidence or contradictory data will dissuade them. They are absolutist believers
in a political religion. Their goal is zero energy production and the destruction of all
capitalist economic systems. I have read too many quotes by leading environmentalists
where they longed for a return to a pre-industrial lifestyle they described as as small scale
socialist utopia fashioned after American Indian tribes.
Remember how we were told how wonderful the invention of the catalytic converter was?
We were told you could almost breathe the exhaust of a car equipped with one. They
told us the primary emission was “Harmless Carbon Dioxide.”
These neo Luddite Malthusians are now attacking CO2 as if it were poison. If these people
actually believe their own propaganda, they would support nuclear power. Do not hold
your breath waiting for that to happen!

March 7, 2014 2:55 pm

Bruce Cobb
I tried your soup recipe and it went well until I came to serve it to the guests when it suddenly turned into a Gazpacho.

March 7, 2014 2:57 pm

Apparently people have noticed that Mother Nature isn’t as enamored by the models as some hockey fans.

March 7, 2014 3:01 pm

Perhaps the models need more makeup?

mbur
March 7, 2014 3:08 pm

Leonard Jones says: “I have read too many quotes by leading environmentalists
where they longed for a return to a pre-industrial lifestyle they described as as small scale
socialist utopia fashioned after American Indian tribes.”
Yeah , Tribalism isn’t that where one tribe becomes powerful and just takes the other tribes stuff?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism

“The anthropological debate on warfare among tribes is unsettled”
“Tribalism and ethnocentrism help to keep individuals committed to the group, even when personal relations may fray.[citation needed] This keeps individuals from wandering off or joining other groups. It also leads to bullying when a tribal member is unwilling to conform to the politics of the collective…”

Just using your quote as a bridge to mine. I don’t think i am under said bridge 😉
Thanks

March 7, 2014 3:16 pm

Wot’s in a model? … Built in bias confirmation to fool yerself or others.

March 7, 2014 4:04 pm

NRG22 says:
March 7, 2014 at 11:13 am
Can the reflected heat of all these mirrors, particularly in cities near water, heat water vapor and raise global temperatures?
Reflected light on earth cannot raise global temperatures. If light is reflected, then other parts will be in the shade and be cooler. Think of a large magnifying glass where refraction occurs. The light from the sun comes to a point where it is very hot, but the areas around the hot spot are cooler than they would be if the sun just shone there. There is no free lunch.