From the “don’t trust but verify” department comes the revelation that the Obama administration went into COP15 negotiation with spy help.
WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency monitored the communications of other governments ahead of and during the 2009 United Nations climate negotiations in Copenhagen, Denmark, according to the latest document from whistleblower Edward Snowden.
The document, with portions marked “top secret,” indicates that the NSA was monitoring the communications of other countries ahead of the conference, and intended to continue doing so throughout the meeting. Posted on an internal NSA website on Dec. 7, 2009, the first day of the Copenhagen summit, it states that
“Analysts here at NSA, as well as our Second Party partners, will continue to provide policymakers with unique, timely, and valuable insights into key countries’ preparations and goals for the conference, as well as the deliberations within countries on climate change policies and negotiation strategies.”
“Second Party partners” refers to the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, with which the U.S. has an intelligence-sharing relationship. “While the outcome of the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference remains uncertain, signals intelligence will undoubtedly play a significant role in keeping our negotiators as well informed as possible throughout the 2-week event,” the document says.
The Huffington Post published the documents Wednesday night in coordination with the Danish daily newspaper Information, which worked with American journalist Laura Poitras.
Read the full document here.(PDF)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/29/snowden-nsa-surveillance-_n_4681362.html
h/t to WUWT reader MichaelWiseGuy
Sorry, that’s Virgin MEDIA, soley a UK mobile and stable phone, cable, internet service provider. first to cover all four. I may presume other telecoms enjoy the same judicial free benies. Look at how China and the US came together over Carbon bootprints in the sand.
OMG, Tom Mockridge is now VM’s CEO. He took over News International when Rebekah Brooks was fired.
Why does my Tabloid Hacker Peanut Butter keep getting stuck on the NSA/GCHQs’ chocolate mess? I am getting SOOO PHAT!
all those priate contractors might get a little more money, as the minimum-wagers at the bottom, with their new raises, will push all the higher-scale folks upward. By 3 bucks an hour, or by 50 percent?
I’m not sure if I should edit “priate” to read “private, or “pirate”…..
tadchem says:
January 30, 2014 at 2:06 am
“There are only 2 rules that govern spying: #1 Spy on everybody, and #2 Don’t get caught. The NSA and the Obama Administration broke rule #2. ”
The most important rule is never let them know what you know. Official disinformation is very effective when mixed with just enough truth to make it convincing.
Unfortunately, there is no way of guaranteeing that people will draw correct inferences, even from ‘true’ data. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it think.
OK, Sir Charles Dunstone said he was using Rebekah Brooks’ router, so that explains away one of missing Ipads police were unable to track down using that signal. This man too a mobile phone retailer all the way to TalkTalk. Another mobile rubber baron making money the OLD fashioned way? By connectivity!!
The WTF I am MOST curious about has to do with Brooks’ BlackBerry. She told the Leveson Inquiry that police returned it a few weeks after she was first arrested. Her legal team downloaded the images. David Cameron’s email had no content. Brooks told the court it was compressed, meaning no one could see the content. She had no idea why that happened.
I’ve considered this for months and have a few guesses. All email in the UK is stored for 30 days until it becomes metadata. Cameron’s email was one of the oldest items still in the device’s memory. So, is that a Tempora metadata file of its former self? Now, GCHQ did tell NSA that THEY cracked the BlackBerry’s compression technology in November of 2011, but this Berry got squished by August of the same year.
Did someone beat GCHQ to the punchbowl? OR, did someone do something REALLY stupid, like wipe that data, and then someone else try to put it back to prevent charges of perversion of justice? If they accessed Tempora to get at it, Cameron’s stored email would have gone meta by then.
Mark and two Cats says:
January 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm
I’m surprised that obama hasn’t droned Snowden yet.
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Putin might not be so happy with that idea 🙂
First rule of spying: Don’t get caught.
Second rule: See rule one.
Lefty-dominated governments have always been more ruthless and dismissive of laws because their propaganda machines have successfully sold the story to their citizens that government knows best and what it does is for their own good. Just ask Robespierre, Mao, Adolf, Fidel, etc.
CanMan!
Great video.
Did you know that Millennial Media, the folks who’s mobile ad network got piggybacked by GCHQ to reveal Angry Bird players’ poop, bought a firm called JumpTap to add millions more of the mobily abused to Millennnial’s market? JumpTap? That sounds like a euphemism for rape in the street.
REALLY weird. Millennial’s CEO tapped out on Monday, right after this story broke, and went venture capital. But a YaHoo seemlessly walked right in and took his space. Sounds like same chess play these corporate goofs make when they get caught doing business. Move around the Magoos.
The poor app that hired these Millennials is begging the government to show their hand so we don’t assume his is full of birdshite. But his mobile ad network provider is in transition, right now. Changing of the goof.
Now that I see how mobile works, I understand why we have so many smug little hoodies lurking around our children. You can be an IDIOT and still get a government contract.
techgm:
At January 30, 2014 at 6:44 am you say
OK. You assert that “Adolf” was to the left of you.
So, Genghis Khan must have been to the left of you, too.
Richard
Hay, folks, it’s just as we thought. We’re the stacks.
GCHQ and NSA are formulating messages for viral attacks. They do so by way of social media, and this mess is just getting broken down. It’s the ad networks’ own data scraping NSA and GCHQ are taking. They especially like mobile ad networks for their geo-locating advantages. From this data soup they spell reflex.
Now, I’ve known about bees and cross-inhibitions for decades. I love to dance. Especially effective when you point at something, anything. Right, John Travolta? Folks REALLY love to get pointed out. And then those bumpers come in redirecting folks to look at where they are pointing. What a groove. However, bees civilly investigate each pointing bumpers claims and return to the hive to confirm or deny their claims. Not until they firmly agree they are on the good foot do they take flight.
So, back to my concern. They, NSA and GCHQ, are getting good at it. Dancing. Still can’t tell a joke for shite, but they are getting good at winning over folks and converting them. If they can’t be converted, then they can be perverted.
So, this thread seems lively, but a bit TOO lively. Are we folks for real? Or is NSA having a field day running their own lines?
Take away for the day. WE ARE THE HAYSTACKS. We can simply read books for a season and bring this system to its knees. Maybe I’ll memorize one. Se what a mess you’ve undone, NSA? Paranoia, the New BLACK! People are afraid to be FREE!! Way to kick the Haystacks.
Michael, you’re mixing weak drinks. “Whore to culture…” Leave that horse alone!
During Copenhagen, the BRIC countries were holding a secret closed door meeting. Somehow the US learned of this meeting and Obama crashed the party. This event was widely reported at the time, but what was not published was how the US learned of the meeting.
It now seems apparent that the US was monitoring the meeting and didn’t like what they heard, so they were desperate to break it up. At the same time a snow storm was headed for Washington, so the US team had to leave the party early to get home, to avoid the global warming about to dump on the eastern seaboard.
Meh, how is “spies do their job” newsworthy?
Folks appear to be confusing leftist and fascist. Fascist governments can be both rightist and leftists. Rightist and Leftist governments are economic distinctions. Fascist governments believe the government is always right, regardless of economic policy, or any other policy for that matter. If you speak out against a fascist government, you are automatically wrong and an enemy of the state.
I hope we realize it takes YEARS for governments to admit they are criminals, and they typically leave it for the next generation to address. But in case anyone is curious, EXPULSION is the
Congressional equivalent of impeachment for members of Congress.
Feinstein and Rogers, two Intelligence chairs who need a good talk through. Make my day, Clint Eastwood. Be fair and balanced about it.
Folks, because the US has adopted the pre-emptive position, that means ALL of us are under submission. Until war powers aren’t justifying a data driven Tea Pot Dome, the cows are NEVER coming home. If the market in haystacks collapses, the cows will have no where else to go.
ferdberple:
rev your post at January 30, 2014 at 7:17 am.
You are confusing fascism with totalitarianism.
Fascists are totalitarians. Not all totalitarians are fascists. All totalitarians are evil.
Apples are fruit. Oranges are fruit but not apples.
Security Agencies are a terrible weapon when used by totalitarian governments of any political and/or economic adherence.
Richard
Maybe they had a legitimate concern that terrorists were plotting an attack disguised as climate change negotiators, scientists, UN staff, and climate reporters. Seems like a reasonable concern. (sarc)
I’m sure the President just wants to make sure the countries we’re sending all of our global warming money to are going to spend the money on climatey things.
If you like Old School, you’ll LOVE this old periodical about all things CONNECTED.
http://www.insna.org/PDF/Connections/v19/1996_I-2.pdf
On page 13, the columnist asks, “Is Agency coming to the Internet?”
Then he breaks down the board members of SAIC and identifies those who are also part of the DOD and Intelligence Agencies. Was that the last time anyone ever asked that question?
I call BS on all mergers acquisitions and IPOs in telephony and tech since 1996.
richardscourtney says:
January 30, 2014 at 7:01 am
> OK. You assert that “Adolf” was to the left of you.
As a matter of fact, yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP
> The National Socialist German Workers’ Party
> (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei,
> abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the
> Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany active
> between 1920 and 1945.
The greatest propaganda coup of the 20th century was conflating the National Socialist German Workers’ Party with right-wingers and conservatives in the public mind. Hitler’s 1933 election platform included nationalizing banks, etc. “Uncle Joe” and “Uncle Adolf ” were 2 sides of the same coin.
@Walter Dnes – http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
Specifically, check out 7,11-17, 20, 21,25
Ferdberple, don’t get caught in the commie/fasci quagmire. The pigs both love it.
Consider the game Monopoly. Both poles of that shity stick are into it. One man/no vote is the capital dream machine.
That’s why I hide in the middle where we are hated for vacillating rather than swearing to someone’s crazy faith based dreams.
I’m sticking to the the best dream of them all The Constitution.
We’re gonna beat those Telephony Barons and grabby government bullies back with it, the LEGAL way. This is TEA POT BLOWN, and the whistler is smoking.
@Abby, SAIC is hugely involved.
After Snowden skipped town with those NSA files we learned that the NSA was monitoring telephone lines with an area code prefix of 202. What country, dangerous to US interests, carries the prefix of 202 you ask? Why, it’s Washington D.C. Now, after the NSA got caught with their pants down (perhaps in the process of catching others with their pants down – Patreaus?) their explanation was that they mistakenly monitored 202 thinking that it was actually the prefix 20. What does the prefix 20 representative? Why, Cairo, Egypt. See, it was an understandable mistake especially since there was no way they could have recognized cultural differences between Cairo and Washington.
The fact that the NSA monitored Copenhagen is further proof that the Obama administration will stoop at nothing.