From the “don’t trust but verify” department comes the revelation that the Obama administration went into COP15 negotiation with spy help.
WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency monitored the communications of other governments ahead of and during the 2009 United Nations climate negotiations in Copenhagen, Denmark, according to the latest document from whistleblower Edward Snowden.
The document, with portions marked “top secret,” indicates that the NSA was monitoring the communications of other countries ahead of the conference, and intended to continue doing so throughout the meeting. Posted on an internal NSA website on Dec. 7, 2009, the first day of the Copenhagen summit, it states that
“Analysts here at NSA, as well as our Second Party partners, will continue to provide policymakers with unique, timely, and valuable insights into key countries’ preparations and goals for the conference, as well as the deliberations within countries on climate change policies and negotiation strategies.”
“Second Party partners” refers to the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, with which the U.S. has an intelligence-sharing relationship. “While the outcome of the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference remains uncertain, signals intelligence will undoubtedly play a significant role in keeping our negotiators as well informed as possible throughout the 2-week event,” the document says.
The Huffington Post published the documents Wednesday night in coordination with the Danish daily newspaper Information, which worked with American journalist Laura Poitras.
Read the full document here.(PDF)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/29/snowden-nsa-surveillance-_n_4681362.html
h/t to WUWT reader MichaelWiseGuy
NSA and Obama [were] more interested in staying up on the propaganda plan and not nearly so interested in the truth about GW.
Funny that the Democrats are the most vocal opponents of things like the Patriot act, as well as related issues, yet also the worst abusers.
Mark
Woo hoo! An excuse to post this awesome Remy video:
Mark T says:
January 29, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Funny that the Democrats are the most vocal opponents of things like the Patriot act, as well as related issues, yet also the worst abusers.
Mark
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That’s because they think others would abuse it as much as they would.
Hardly a surprise. One of the most public events in the political calendar when it happened.
It was the watershed. The last throw of the warmists dice. Failed, thankfully.
At sometime in the future if the USA recovers enough liberty to be called a Republic, then Global Warming may be seen a lead tactic of the American Socialist Workers Party led by Clinton, Obama, and their henchmen. The Republican party will be studied as a classic example of a Political Party that committed suicide and disappeared within a little more than a decade, and there will be Snowdon boulevards, highways, streets, schools, etc. throughout the nation. And perhaps the study of climate might even become a legitimate science.
I’m surprised by the surprise here. The NSA is an intelligence-gathering organization. One of the first tenets of intelligence is that one never knows what information might be useful, so get everything you can. Those delegates might talk about other things than the weather at those conferences.
The laws affecting intelligence-gathering by NSA, CIA, etc., are regarding collecting targeted information on US citizens inside the United States. Every person working with one of those agencies, whether government civilian, military, or contractor, must take a refresher course on Executive Order 12333 every year without fail. However, if you are not a United States citizen, you are not protected by those laws.
So they gather information on non-citizens of the United States at conferences where national policies are discussed. It’s what those agencies exist to do.
Tonight in 20 minutes (10 PM Pacific, 1 AM Eastern), Coast to Coast AM radio will be interviewing:
Space historian Robert Zimmerman will discuss the fraud and dishonesty which has permeated the sciences of climate and environmental studies including how scientists at NASA and NOAA have consistently manipulated the temperature records.
I’m surprised that obama hasn’t droned Snowden yet.
The NSA is collecting this comment as I speak, right ?
So, as usual I will not say anything, or did I just ?
There is something people really need to understand: If you are a public official engaged in any sort of official political negotiations, any communications you engage in over the public communications networks that is not officially secured by your government is subject to intercept by any number of countries. Dozens of nations are going to attempt to the best of theri ability to intercept such communications. That said, everyone in that sort of capacity SHOULD be fully aware of that. Their government should be driving it into their head that unless they are on a *secure* government circuit, they are on an unsecured public circuit that is subject to intercept. We drive that into the heads of even the lowest private in the Army. There is a difference between a secure line and an unsecured line and ANY conversation over ANY unsecured like is subject to intercept by ANYONE at ANY time. This should not be news to anyone in any official capacity and hasn’t been for over 50 years but sadly, it might be *news* to our uninformed general public.
In other words, not only was the US “spying” on such communications but most likely so was Germany, France, the UK, Canada, Australia, China, Russia and damned near everyone else.
I recall a major flop at Copenhagen… I recall Climategate. And a Green disaster.
I doubt the NSA info was much help…. unless the Hadley CRU insider that outed the emails was an NSA plant….nah. …maybe?
crosspatch says:
January 29, 2014 at 10:14 pm
In other words, not only was the US “spying” on such communications but most likely so was Germany, France, the UK, Canada, Australia, China, Russia and damned near everyone else.
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Now that I’m getting old, I’m kinda flattered that my communications are being monitored.
It must be some boring work, maybe I’ll learn some of the “keywords” to throw into conversation so that the drones come within shotgun range.
> rogerknights says:
> January 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm
> Tonight in 20 minutes (10 PM Pacific, 1 AM Eastern),
> Coast to Coast AM radio will be interviewing:
> Space historian Robert Zimmerman will discuss the
> fraud and dishonesty which has permeated the sciences
> of climate and environmental studies including how
> scientists at NASA and NOAA have consistently
> manipulated the temperature records.
One of the few media sources I do not want on our side. They’re the radio version of “National Enquirer”. Go to Youtube.com and type in
coast to coast am
in the search bar. You get interviews about Annunaki, Ancient Aliens, Lost Empire of Atlantis, alien abduction, Bases on the Moon, etc. And that’s just the first page of search results. Associating climate realism with Art Bell, etc, is one way to discredit our cause.
u.k. (us)
Too funny.
They are looking at you while you type also.
Germans got upset when they learnt that NSA has been spying on Cancellor Merkel by listening her mobile phone for a decade through devices in US Embassy in Berlin. That’s why Snowden is regarded as a hero in Europe.
Apparently US embassies all over the world are used as phone intercept stations.
Canada even said they monitor all international communications. Every country does to the extent of their ability to do so.
To me the real question is, why couldn’t the Germans, with all their technical expertise even provide their head of state with a secure phone? Would you buy a car from those people?
She is provided with a secure phone and I am sure she assumes that everything she says on her unsecured private phone is being monitored by someone. This is NOT as big a deal as the media is making seem to be. The stories are relying on the fact that most people are ignorant.
Ok, here’s the deal with Snowden:
1. MONTHS before he took the job with Booze Allen & Hamilton he started shopping for journalists. This is not a case of someone who worked with NSA for a long time seeing something that bothered them and blew the whistle. Snowden decided he was going to go in to NSA and steal as much data as he could before he even took the job.
2. When he got there, he lied to co-workers saying he needed their login credentials to work on their computers. Then then used their credentials to log in as those people and steal copies of all the data they had access to.
3. He worked there for less than 90 days.
crosspatch says:
January 29, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Canada even said they monitor all international communications. Every country does to the extent of their ability to do so.
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Yep, where is the line between privacy and “security”
It is only going to get smaller, way smaller, in our future.
I just wonder if Snowden knows about the Climate gate Scandal and the names that keep surfacing. Just Bout the time.
Names that keep popping up in the news.
Prince Phillip
Nobel Peace Prize
President Obama
President Clinton
VP Al Gore
Others
Phil Jonez
Michael Mann
EPA and Environmental Org.
EPA dir. John Beale
Stefon Rahmstort
Keith Briffen
Gerd Leipold of Green Peace
And All the peers that keep Exoneration going
I am beginning to like this traitor.
Paul Pierett
I don’t believe this
I was at Copenhagen. I saw nothing unusual and I heard nothing unusual – unless you count the odd man in a dinner suit who kept whispering “your mothers cat sails an ocean of bananas”. No way he could be spy, he didn’t make sense.
Having said that I did see a lot of dodgy geezer who kept on and on about CO2 and hockey sticks
Friends:
Security agencies of several countries tried to give their countries an ‘edge’ in international negotiations by obtaining as much information as possible from as many sources as possible. That is a main part of their job. And they were probably also attempting to mislead security agencies of other countries by planting false information because that, too, is part of their job.
And we get an article about that.
What next, an article to report that Speed Police booked speeders?
Richard
James Schrumpf says:
January 29, 2014 at 9:44 pm
Exactly!