by Kesten C. Green, J. Scott Armstrong, and Willie Soon
The human race has prospered by relying on forecasts that the seasons will follow their usual course, while knowing they will sometimes be better or worse. Are things different now?
For the fifth time now, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claims they are. The difference, the IPCC asserts, is increased human emissions of carbon dioxide: a colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas that is a byproduct of growing prosperity. It is also a product of all animal respiration and is also essential for most life on Earth, yet in total it makes up only 0.0004 of the atmosphere.
The IPCC assumes that the relatively small human contribution of this gas to the atmosphere will cause global warming, and insist that the warming will be dangerous.
Other scientists contest the IPCC assumptions, on the grounds that the climatological effect of increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide is trivial—and that the climate is so complex and insufficiently understood that the net effect of human emissions on global temperatures cannot be forecasted.
The computer models that the authors of the IPCC reports rely on are complicated representations of the assumption that human carbon dioxide emissions are now the primary factor driving climate change and will substantially overheat the Earth. The models include many assumptions that mainstream scientists question.
The modelers have correctly stated that they produce scenarios, not forecasts. Scenarios are stories constructed from a collection of assumptions. Well-constructed scenarios can be very convincing, in the same way that a well-crafted book or film can be.
The IPCC and its supporters promote these scary scenarios as if they were forecasts. However, scenarios are neither forecasts nor the product of a validated forecasting method.
The IPCC modelers were apparently unaware of decades of forecasting research. Our audit of the procedures used to create their apocalyptic scenarios found that they violated 72 of 89 relevant scientific forecasting principles. Would you go ahead with your flight if you overheard two of the ground crew discussing how the pilot had skipped 80 percent of the pre-flight safety checklist?
Thirty-nine forecasting experts from many disciplines from around the world developed the forecasting principles from published experimental research. A further 123 forecasting experts reviewed the work. The principles were published in 2001 and they are freely available on the Internet to help forecasters produce the best forecasts they can and to help forecast users determine the validity of forecasts. These principles are the only published set of evidence-based standards for forecasting.
Global warming alarmists nevertheless claim that the “nearly all” climate scientists believe dangerous global warming will occur. This is a strange claim, in view of the fact more than 30,000 American scientists signed the Oregon Petition, stating that there is no basis for dangerous manmade global warming forecasts, and “no convincing evidence” that carbon dioxide is dangerously warming the planet or disrupting its climate.
Most importantly, computer models and scenarios are not evidence—and validation does not consist of adding up votes. Such an approach can only be detrimental to the advancement of scientific knowledge. Validation requires comparing predictions to actual observations, and the IPCC models have failed in that regard.
Given the expensive policies proposed and implemented in the name of preventing dangerous manmade global warming, we are astonished that there is only one published peer-reviewed paper that claims to provide scientific forecasts of long-range global mean temperatures. The paper is our own 2009 article in the International Journal of Forecasting.
Our paper examined the state of knowledge and available empirical (that is, actually measured) data, in order to select appropriate evidence-based procedures for long-range forecasting of global mean temperatures. Given the complexity and uncertainty of the situation, we concluded that the “no-trend” model is the proper method to use. The conclusion is based on a substantial body of research that found complex models do not work well in complex and uncertain situations. This finding might be puzzling to people who are unfamiliar with the research on forecasting.
We tested the no-trend model, using the same data that the IPCC uses. To do this, we produced annual forecasts from one to 100 years ahead, starting from 1851 and stepping forward year-by-year until 1975, the year before the current warming alarm was raised. (This is also the year when Newsweek and other magazines reported that scientists were “almost unanimous” that Earth faced a new period of global cooling.) We conducted the same analysis for the IPCC scenario of temperatures increasing at a rate of 0.03 degrees Celsius (0.05 degrees Fahrenheit) per year in response to increasing human carbon dioxide emissions.
This procedure yielded 7,550 forecasts for each method. The findings?
Overall, the no-trend forecast error was one-seventh the error of the IPCC scenario’s projection. They were as accurate as or more accurate than the IPCC temperatures for all forecast horizons. Most important, the relative accuracy of the no-trend forecasts increased for longer horizons. For example, the no-trend forecast error was one-twelfth that of the IPCC temperature scenarios for forecasts 91 to 100 years ahead.
Our research in progress scrutinizes more forecasting methods, uses more and better data, and extends our validation tests. The findings strengthen the conclusion that there are no scientific forecasts that predict dangerous global warming.
Is it surprising that the government would support an alarm lacking scientific support? Not really. In our study of situations that are analogous to the current alarm over scenarios of global warming, we identified 26 earlier movements based on scenarios of manmade disaster, including the global cooling alarm in the 1960s to 1970s. None of them were based on scientific forecasts. And yet, governments imposed costly policies in response to 23 of them. In no case did the forecast of major harm come true.
There is no support from scientific forecasting for an upward trend in temperatures, or a downward trend. Without support from scientific forecasts, the global warming alarm is baseless and should be ignored.
Government programs, subsidies, taxes and regulations proposed as responses to the global warming alarm result in misallocations of valuable resources. They lead to inflated energy prices, declining international competitiveness, disappearing industries and jobs, and threats to health and welfare.
Humanity can do better with the old, simple, tried-and-true no-trend climate forecasting model. This traditional method is also consistent with scientific forecasting principles.
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Dr. Kesten C. Green is with the University of South Australia in Adelaide and is director of the major website on forecasting methods, forecastingprinciples.com, and has published twelve peer-reviewed articles on forecasting.Professor J. Scott Armstrong teaches at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and is a founder of the two major journals on forecasting methods, editor of the Principles of Forecasting handbook, and the world’s most highly cited author on forecasting methods. Dr. Willie Soon of Salem, MA for the past 20 years has published extensively on solar and other factors that cause climate changes. Copies of the authors’ climate forecasting papers are available at www.PublicPolicyForecasting.com.
joeldshore says:
October 17, 2013 at 8:05 am
You might want to read beyond the title.
I did and stated such in my previous reply. You should learn to read replies carefully before making ignorant remarks.
Without seeing the exact wording of the questions, one should be skeptical of the results. That is, one with an open mind, anyway.
I agree, which is why it is useful to read beyond the headline. It would be even more useful if they had a link to the exact survey questions and results, although I haven’t been able to find one.
Then we agree here. Further, without knowing the exact wording and context of the survey questions the results can be considered useless.
64% find Al Gore’s documentary film “An Inconvenient Truth” to be very or somewhat reliable (with the breakdown being 26% and 38%, respectively).
That is enough right there to make one highly suspicious of the survey. There are so many misrepresentations, half-truths, and blatant false statements in “An Inconvenient Truth” that it should not be considered reliable overall at all. Since 64% said it was, this should make anyone wary of the use fullness of this entire survey. (I do not choose to enter a discussion of the problems with AIT – they are documented clearly on many websites.
You are welcome to believe this survey, but I doubt if too many honest scientists would.
However, this seems like rather one-way skepticism if one is very skeptical of this scientific poll conducted by a reputable organization but not way, way more skeptical of a completely unscientific petition conducted by people who strongly worked to get a desired result.
Evidentially, you do know understand the difference between a biased survey or poll and a petition. Simply stated, a petition states “if you believe the above it true, are you willing to sign here?” Most people, including real scientists, value their name and signature and will only attach their signatures when they are willing to defend their stance.
Other than replying the obvious; that you still are pretty ignorant regarding the science of climate change,
And yet, I am way more knowledgeable than almost all signers by the sort of metrics that the petition organizers have discussed, such as having a PhD and being in a physical science / engineering field. I am sure I am also way, way more knowledgeable than almost all signers in terms of having read scientific papers in the climate science field and having read textbooks on atmospheric science and climate.
In your mind, perhaps, but often what you display here, not so much. For example, see above – if you feel it is important to believe that Gore’s “AIT” is reliable, really, how knowledgeable on climate science can you be?
Do you know whether one can ask to have their signature removed? Unless you are positive one can not, I would say your comment bears no weight.
The point is not whether one could remove one’s signature with a lot of effort, but rather whether the fact that one signed something 15 years ago should be taken as evidence that one still holds the same view. I would imagine that many signers might have had their views evolve but have not bothered to try to get their name removed. (Many may not even remember that they signed it…Or even know what became of it.) How many? We have no way of knowing because no effort has been made to my knowledge to see how representative this is of current views of the signers.
I would like it to be more current as well. However, if there is a method to remove one’s name, then your concern is unwarranted. If you go to the site, it does appear that one could still download the form and have one’s name added. I do not know either way. If anything though, my opinion would be that information and data on climate related matters since the Petition was originally started, would tend to solidify a signees position rather than give him or her pause to change their position.
@ur momisugly Seth
* Seth says:
Yes, foolish when you first said:
“Seth says:
October 16, 2013 at 2:08 am
The Oregon Petition includes fictional names,..”
And then said:
Seth says:
October 16, 2013 at 5:32 am
Some of the fake names that were in the petition:
You’ve shown to us all that you were wrong by admitting that the fake names have been removed.
The point is that there is no vetting on the names,…
Where are you getting this information. The Petition Project website clearly states the manner in which they verified each signature.
I’m not sure why showing that the system is flawed is foolish. I can only suspect motivated reasoning. But for any honest person, the powerful fact that it was accompanied by a fraudulent paper would be strong enough evidence to distance them self from it. You should be embarrassed to defend it. It embarrassed me to see it mentioned, and I don’t even associate my intellectual position with theirs: It’s embarrassing that it was done by humans.
Only embarrassment I’m experiencing is that I’m actually engaged in a conversation with you.
Your assertion that the Petition was accompanied by a fraudulent paper assumes facts not in evidence.
The predictions mentioned were from 1851 forward to 1975. It’s striking
that for that period, the result of a ‘no-trend’ model results in much
smaller errors than IPCC-endorsed models.
Now, someone needs to help me out here. I believe that it was stated
somewhere that 1975 was the beginning of the era in which CO2 began
to dominate global temperature trends. Can someone point me to the
source of this assertion?
Chris R says:
Your statement is not correct. They did not show that the “predictions” for the IPCC-endorsed models were worse than no trend. What they showed is that a prediction of a trend of 0.03 C per year, which is what the IPCC is predicting for the average trend (in some medium range emissions scenario) ****for the period 1990-2100****, performed worse over the 1851 to 2007 period than no trend.
Or, in other words, they are saying that because the temperature did not rise by anywhere near 4.8 C between 1851 and 2007 (and hence that the rise during that time period was much closer to 0 than to 4.8 C), the IPCC models don’t perform well.
If this argument makes no sense to you, that is because it indeed is a silly argument. They have demolished a straw man that nobody would endorse. The IPCC has never claimed that the temperatures rose anywhere near 4.8 C between 1851 and 2007.
I am not sure exactly where you can find it stated as such. Certainly, the levels of CO2 before that were having some effect. However, that does seem to roughly mark a point where the effect of CO2 became consistently larger than the negative radiative effect of aerosol pollutants and also was large enough to generally dominate over any natural variations (over some long enough period of time that the year-to-year variability is not a dominating factor).
Actually, there is is a contradiction between what their paper says they did (10,750 forecasts) and what they say they did in this blog post (7550 forecasts). If you believe their former number, then they allowed their forecasts from each year to go from 1 to 100 years, but no further than 2007 (since that was the last year that they had verification data for). If you believe their latter number, then they only allowed their forecasts to go out to 1975.
So, it is not even clear if the data from 1975 on was included in evaluating the models. But, of course, this makes little difference since everyone agrees that the trend per year even averaged over the period 1851 to 2007 would be nowhere near 0.03 C per year. Needless to say, the average trend for the period from 1851 to 1975 would be smaller still!
I think very few people who are touting this paper actually understand just how ridiculous their comparison was. It is sort of an exercise in how totally idiotic an argument can be and still be uncritically accepted by people who want to believe it!
” It is sort of an exercise in how totally idiotic an argument can be and still be uncritically accepted by people who want to believe it!”
A brief, but adequate, description of the CAGW by CO2 concept.
Thanks.
JohnWho says:
Owww…Burn on me! Good way to avoid providing a substantive defense of an indefensible piece of work. Maybe others won’t notice.
Serious comment @ur momisugly Joeldshore –
If you applied the same level of skepticism toward, say, the article/survey you and I have discussed above that you seem to be doing toward the Petition Project, you would demonstrate a somewhat reasonable and rational capability.
I look at the Petition Project and feel that the accompanying literature that was sent out shouldn’t have had much effect on the bottom line of whether a “scientist” would affix his or her signature to the petition. Either one believed the following when they signed it:
“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gasses would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
(From http://www.petitionproject.org/ )
or one does not believe it and does not sign it.
A small amount of accompanying literature should not be enough to change the mind of a person who has demonstrated the ability to research and analyze information and data, either in the discipline of “climate science” or any other. Signers are putting their names and reputations on the petition and I doubt if any of them did this lightly.
On the other hand, you agree that we do not know what the questions were in this survey – http://stats.org/stories/2008/global_warming_survey_apr23_08.html – and yet you are willing to accept the results without question.
Seriously, you have fallen for totally idiotic arguments and you are uncritically accepting them because you want to believe them.
I’m not going to waste any further time discussing this with you.
JohnWho,
Very good comment.
Don’t waste your time with Joel Shore, who is only a small time political ideologue covered by a thin veneer of pseudo-science. He has no credibility. As you point out, he accepts the climate alarmist view because he wants to believe it, not because there is scientific evidence supporting it. Because there is no such evidence. None at all. AGW is an evidence-free conjecture.
You are correct that thirty thousand scientists and engineers would not have signed the OISM petition lightly. It took courage to take such a stand. Therefore, they meant it when they co-signed the statement that there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. That is an unequivocal statement. They also stated that in addition to being harmless, CO2 is, on balance, beneficial.
It takes no courage whatever for someone like joelshore to ride the grant gravy train, while being employed by the climate addled .edu system. Rather, it would take courage to oppose the group-think.
I said:
Actually, it is clear once I read their paper more closely. The paper considers several different scenarios and the one discussed in this blog piece is indeed the one that only used data until 1975!
Basically, the more closely one looks into this, the more pathetically ridiculous it gets! It is worth revisiting tallbloke’s comment that get me into this morass:
Now that I have evaluated the scientific content, I can safely say that it is much worse than I ever imagined. I suppose these exercises are worthwhile to do every once in a while just to remind oneself of how bad the scientific arguments are that are accepted uncritically by many “skeptics” here.
Chris R.:
The term “prediction” has several meanings. What do you mean by this term?
Joel, you make some good points in regard to the paper presented above (I pretty much agree with you) but I wish your same level of skepticism to the GCMs. It is pretty much undeniable that the central estimates of ~95% of all the temperature trends in the satellite era (when we have the best records globally) are too high. Too often, the pro-consensus folks just ignore these inconvenient truths.
What is it that the better performing models do that the worse performing ones don’t? Why is it that strongest proponents of the use of models almost never express any interest in this question? I am pretty sure that if took a look at the forcing estimates and other feedback parameters in the 20 warmest models and compare them to the same for the 20 most accurate ones we would get some interesting information.
I guess this would be my biggest problem with the models is that when you get right down to it – even their proponents don’t seem to have any faith in a model individually, they only have faith in the ensemble of models after being averaged together in a big amorphous mess. If individual models had value as scientific hypotheses, they could stand on their own and not need to have their results hidden amongst a bunch of its (sometimes very different) cousins.
Cheers, 🙂
Shawnhet: This sort of thing is being done: http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/
And, here you can see the various publications that have come out of the CMIP5 project: http://cmip.llnl.gov/cmip5/publications/allpublications
JohnWho says:
I think this reveals a lot…Basically, the survey doesn’t get the results that you think it should; therefore, the survey is wrong.
Nevermind that it was conducted by a reputable polling firm and one that is affiliated with a university that is generally known to be amongst the most conservative / libertarian schools in the nation. (See, e.g., http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/George_Mason_University and http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/09/01/309543/americas-top-5-most-conservative-colleges/ ), in fact the school where Edward Wegman and Pat Michaels are and S. Fred Singer used to be.
Nevermind that this is just one of many pieces of evidence that you ignore that point to the idea that you are out-of-touch with the views of the scientific community:
(1) The IPCC continues to reach the conclusions that it does regarding AGW.
(2) These conclusions continue to be supported by the relevant major scientific societies, including the NAS and the corresponding societies in all the G8+5 nations, as well as the Councils of the AGU, APS, AMS.
(3) Scientists, like Michael Mann, who you guys have demonized and claim are totally discredited, continue to win awards from their scientific peers.
How much longer can you guys continue to believe that every scientific survey is biased, that every council of the major scientific societies has been taken over by people who don’t represent their members, …? Is there any point at which the cognitive dissonance becomes too large to bear?
joeldshore says:
October 19, 2013 at 7:22 am
Thanks for the links. There’s a lot of stuff there I’m sure. I was hoping you could point me to what progress has been made on the following:
“* understand some of the factors responsible for differences in model projections, including quantifying some key feedbacks such as those involving clouds and the carbon cycle ”
Because frankly, to me, the fact that we still include such a wide number of models that are way off the actual observed behavior suggests to me that very little progress has been made on that issue at all. I may be missing something here but I wouldn’t think it would be a terribly difficult process to lay out the relevant parameters of each GCM and see which ones have the better long-term track record and which have the worse. We can then adjust our long-term forecasts accordingly.
I could talk some more on this but I don’t want to take this thread any further OT.
Cheers, 🙂
Shawnhet;
I wonder, decade to decade of projections, whether the “best performing” models don’t change randomly. At any point, some few are bound to be less erroneous than the rest. But can they maintain it?
Brian H,
I would think, personally that some(or maybe all) models just have too high a climate sensitivity so over time they will get further and further from the observed results. For the ones that are reasonably close, you are right (I’m sure) that some of those are just lucky. If all of those are just getting lucky, they won’t be able to maintain it for too long.
I do think that we should have enough information to start ruling out the ones that are off by the most in any case even if we can’t tell if any of them will be left standing at the end of the day.
Cheers, 🙂