UPDATE: Monckton is being deported from Qatar. Such a show of tolerance from the “tolerant left” who do these sorts of stunts all the time (sometimes illegally). Monckton has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.
UPDATE2: Monckton says “I was very bad” see below. We now have video. There doesn’t seem to be any “booing” after his statement as asserted by the press reports, and his statement was more than a sentence as reported.
UPDATE3: Monckton gives his account here
An excerpt from an E &E Newswire story
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After the news conference, and as diplomats gathered for the climate conference president’s assessment of how close countries are to agreement, Monckton quietly slipped into the seat reserved for the delegation of Myanmar and clicked the button to speak.
“In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming,” Monckton said as confused murmurs filled the hall and then turned into a chorus of boos.
The stunt infuriated negotiators and activists here who gather every year to address what they believe is one of the world’s top threats, the steady rise of man-made global warming.
As Monckton was escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his U.N. credentials, several people noted that just a few hours earlier a group of young activists had been thrown out of the convention center and deported. Their crime: unfurling an unauthorized banner calling for the Qatari hosts to lead the negotiations to a strong conclusion.
By late today, several activists attending the conference had posted calls to “deport Monckton” on their Twitter feeds
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Full story:
Inhofe, Monckton crash U.N. talks with gusto
Jean Chemnick, E&E reporter
Published: Thursday, December 6, 2012
http://www.eenews.net/Greenwire/print/2012/12/06/2
h/t Marc Morano
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Lord Monckton claims victory over climate change scare stories – Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthvideo/9728622/Lord-Monckton-claims-victory-over-climate-change-scare-stories.html
Excerpt:
Earlier in the week he appeared in a video promoted by US lobby group the Committee on a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) riding a camel to promote a “different perspective” of the talks.
The two-week meeting, due to end on Friday is deadlocked on modest goals such as aid and an extension of an existing UN-led plan to combat climate change into 2013.
The European Union, Australia, Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland are the main backers of Kyoto who are willing to extend legally binding cuts in emissions beyond 2012 until 2020.
But they account for less than 15 per cent of world emissions.
Russia, Japan and Canada have pulled out, saying it makes no sense to continue when big emerging nations led by China and India have no binding goals.
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[Monckton] has been banned for life from UN climate talks.
Speaking afterwards, he said he was acting on the “spur of the moment”.
“I don’t think it was my turn to talk, but the opportunity presented itself and I took it,” he said.
“I was very bad – I pressed the button and made a short statement.”
“I know it was bad of me, but I got some brief points across which the delegates probably didn’t expect.
“They have now taken my badge, but it’s not the end of the world.”
VIDEO:
“It’s a travesty that we can’t account for the lack of warming (for the last 16 years)” – Kevin-Trenberth
A must-see video!
They were all speechless.
Lars Bern says:
December 7, 2012 at 9:06 am
“Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety.” V Havel
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Thanks for providing such a powerful quote.
Werner Brozek:
Thankyou for your informative posts on WUWT and especially your comment at December 7, 2012 at 8:18 am in this thread.
You may have noticed that I have recently adopted the practice of citing your analyses when discussing linear temperature trends.
In this thread I objected to the ‘red herrings’ of john byatt. This was necessary if his attempts to deflect the thread were to be prevented. However, it may have provided the false impression to onlookers that there are no answers to his irrelevant points. Your post at December 7, 2012 at 8:18 am demolishes one of his spurious points. Thankyou.
In similar vein, I point out that his attempt to induce discussion of the “adjustments” to GISSTEMP was also a ‘red herring’. Effects of the “adjustents” can be seen with one mouse-click to this link
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/giss/hansen-giss-1940-1980.gif
Richard
There was once a young fellow from “Burma,”
Who told us the truth in a murmur;
“In the sixteen year range,
There’s been no climate change,
So now, we must make the science firmer.”
Matthew R Marler
December 7, 2012 at 8:54 am
So if the UN and other nations spend trillions of dollars of taxpayer money on a problem that is at best a minor one you think this is not stupid?
What is now needed is a concerted effort to re-instate Lord Monckton’s UN credentials.
The UN should be made aware that excluding all skeptics from speaking, will result in a non-consensus determination, and rightfully rejected by people who value unbiased and transparent findings. How can we possibly replace CM’s presence at these gaia lovefests. GK
The one who
Drives when
He’s been drinking
Depends on you
To do his thinking
Burma Shave
Who’s driving in Doha?
This is man who claimed in 2009 that
“They (all those concerned about climate change) are about to impose a communist world government on the world”
Still haven’t seen him shown wrong on that. They proposed the same “solutions” for the population bomb, the resource bomb, the coming ice age, global warming, and “climate change” — totalitarian regulation of the lives of the average person (while the ruling class lives in luxury).
First, yes, sixteen years is ridiculous. Let’s wait for Ben “Beat the Crap” Santer’s seventeen years, and see if the trend is statistically significant or not.
And then we’ll hear “let’s wait for eighteen, just to make sure the trend is significant”. Then nineteen, then twenty.
The models failed, generally and particularly.
For shame on Lord Monckton; how dare he present facts or tell the truth!!!! ;-))
jaypan,
Thank you for posting the Monckton video.
I note that there was no booing, as had been widely reported.
richardscourtney says:
December 7, 2012 at 9:45 am
Thank you!
I would like to update the information with regards to RSS with respect to the November anomaly that came out yesterday. The anomaly for RSS dropped 0.1 from October to 0.195. With the RSS anomaly for November at 0.195, the average for the first eleven months of the year is (-0.060 -0.123 + 0.071 + 0.330 + 0.231 + 0.337 + 0.290 + 0.255 + 0.383 + 0.294 + 0.195)/11 = 0.200. This would rank 11th if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.55. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in April of 1998 when it reached 0.857. The negative slope for RSS is since January 1997 or 15 years, 11 months (goes to November).
However in view of the significance of the 16 years lately, I would like to elaborate on RSS. The slope for 15 years and 11 months from January 1997 on RSS is -4.1 x 10^-4. But the slope for 16 years and 0 months from December 1996 is +1.3 x 10^-4. So since the magnitude of the negative slope since January 1997 is 3 times than the magnitude of the positive slope since December 1996, I believe I can say that since a quarter of the way through December 1996, in other words from December 8, 1996 to December 7, 2012, the slope is 0. This is 16 years. Therefore RSS is 192/204 or 94% of the way to Santer’s 17 years.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1996.9/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:1996.9/trend
Why should it be Santer that decides the period? What gives him this unique right?
Ilma:
At December 7, 2012 at 1:24 pm you ask
Your question directly pertains to the purpose of Lord Monckton’s act of civil disobedience in Doha.
The models ‘decide’ the period.
The modellers constructed their models to represent their understanding of climate behaviour. So, if those understandings are correct then the models will emulate the behaviour of the real climate.
In 2008 the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated in its State of the Climate Report for 2008 (page 23)
Please note the strength of that statement: it says the models’ simulations RULE OUT a zero trend of 15 years or more, but that has happened. There is no record of any ‘climate scientist’ disputing that statement then or for some years after it.
As the existing period of “zero trend” extended and started to near 15 years, interest in the matter was raised by climate realists. Ben Santer responded in 2011 by posting a press release which can be read at
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2011/Nov/NR-11-11-03.html
It says
The Santer statement induces a problem. There are four possibilities; i.e.
(a) the NOAA statement in 2008 was a mistake which nobody has refuted
(if so, why did nobody point it out?)
or
(b) Santer’s statement is not true
(if so, why has no modeller refuted it?)
or
(c) the models have been altered since 2008
(if so, then what alterations to understanding of climate have altered to require this?)
or
(d) some or all of possibilities (a) to (c)
(if so then climate modelling is a travesty of science).
Each of these possibilities provides severe doubt to the understandings of climate which the models represent.
Hence, the politicians who rely on ‘climate science’ when formulating policies need to be made aware that the ‘NOAA limit’ has been exceeded and that the ‘Santer Limit’ is fudge which is also likely to be exceeded. Also,future fudges which are longer than the ‘Santer Limit’ need to be prevented.
That need to inform politicians – and to inform the public who elect the politicians – was assisted by Lord Monckton’s act of civil disobedience in Doha. And that need to inform also explains why warmunist trolls have attempted to deflect this thread from discussion of what Lord Monckton said in that act of civil disobedience.
Richard
Thank you Richard.
“In order to separate human-caused global warming from the “noise” of purely natural climate fluctuations, temperature records must be at least 17 years long, according to climate scientists.”
This is also known as the “Santer Clause”.
Willis Eschenbach says:
December 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Thanks, James, but I’ll pass on the total transformation, the “revolution” that Christiana is looking towards. It may not be a “communist world government” she is talking about, but as the self-described “daughter of a revolutionary”, I can assure you she’s not pushing for more democracy and capitalism.
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People get hung up on labels like “communist”, “socialist”, “fascist” etc. What they all are is totalitarian. The people are dependant upon and subject to Government, not Government to the people.
When you’ve got a boot planted on your neck it doesn’t matter what color the bootlaces are..
Can we tranfer all the greens to Afganistan where they will fit in. And defund the UN.
Ilama, I believe that, statistically, the period required to identify a trend is dependent upon the magnitude of the natural variation that could hide or create a trend. Given a certain period of variation, the warmists have decided that 30 years is required to identify a trend. But the problem is that many natural variations can be hundreds and even thousands of years long. And their magnitude can be as great or greater than what we now observe.
Also, in the shorter term, it is possible to filter out some of the identifiable elements of variation – like PDO. When this is done, the magnitude of variation, or noise, of the data set is reduced. People like Tamino have done such filtering and concluded that they could recognize a trend in 14 to 16 years instead of the usual 30. I believe that Tamino ran those numbers 3 or 4 years ago when we didn’t have 16 years of filtered flat temps. Now that we do, he doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge it. Most likely he now uses “adjusted” data sets where the adjustments alone have managed to provide some small level of warming.
” Monckton is being deported from Qatar. Such a show of tolerance from the “tolerant left” who do these sorts of stunts all the time (sometimes illegally). Monckton has been ‘de-badged’, meaning he no longer has a visa to stay in Qatar and had 24 hours to leave the country.”
How in the world can you classify Qatar as being part of the left? It is an absolute monarchy. And you contradict yourself by pointing that Qatar is just enforcing its visa rules. Even if everything Monctkton (the Donald Trump of the climate debate IMO) said was sound, he broke the rules by using someone else’s microphone at an event he was not invited to speak at. Even if you view his stunt as a brave act of civil disobedience there is no basis for whining about him having to face the consequences.
We’ve been all over this on Common Cents…
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/
ntesdorf says:
December 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Jolly well done Lord Monckton! Three cheers for his Lordship! Long Live Lord Monckton!
Fortunately he only got thrown out. With a roomful of Neanderthal-Level Nincompoops around him, he was surely risking even greater personal danger, I am sure…..
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Don’t insult the Neanderthals.
James Abbott says: @ur momisugly December 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm
…The Clerk of the Parliaments had to write to Monckton in July 2011 (again) to tell him to stop claiming he was a member of the House of Lords….
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And the Clerk got his hands slapped for telling a lie.
Lies seem to be the stock-in-trade for the parasites sucking the blood of the poor and middle class.
James Abbott says: @ur momisugly December 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Oh and James why do the Warmist hold a buffoon like Al Gore in such high esteem? A guy with a carbon footprint in the top one 1% of the world whose original wealth came from OIL?
Gunga Din says:
December 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm
“People get hung up on labels like “communist”, “socialist”, “fascist” etc. What they all are is totalitarian. The people are dependant upon and subject to Government, not Government to the people.”
See
http://www.politicalcompass.org/