Emails reveal Al Gore and crew won't take 'no' for an answer when seeking imagery to spin for their 'dirty weather' project

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Readers may recall this story: Al Gore denied film footage rights by an Australian filmmaker where Mr. Gore sought the broadcast rights to a “fire tornado” footage shot during a wildfire near Alice Springs Australia for use in his upcoming “dirty weather report” aka 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology™.

The Australian wrote about how the filmmaker said ‘no’ then:

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Al Gore denied firestorm footage | The Australian

A WEATHER expert has backed the stance of an Alice Springs filmmaker who refused to sell footage of a firestorm to former US vice-president Al Gore — to use in Mr Gore’s climate presentations — because the event was unrelated to climate change.

In an email exchange with Mr Gore’s office, Tangey said using the footage in a climate-change framework would be ‘deliberately deceptive’

“I am aware that you may have missed the reporting on the very localised nature of this firestorm,” Tangey wrote. “However, in any case, I am confused as to why you would offer to buy a licence to use it at all unless you had conducted even elementary research which might indicate that this Mt Conner event had direct linkage to global warming/climate change.”

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Here below is a sample of the video shot by Tangey that Gore wants to use. One could safely bet that it would be used in the unsupportable context of “wildfires and tornadoes are getting worse due to climate change” and what could be more terrifying that tornadoes of fire  to people that don’t know about the mechanisms of their formation and how they aren’t like the tornadoes from cumulonimbus supercell storms or that they’ve been around since time immemorial in wildfires?

After seeing it, I can understand why Gore wanted it, and why the filmmaker denied him the right to use it.

Now unbelievably, after being told in no uncertain terms that the use of this video in the context of Gore’s “dirty weather report“, won’t be licensed to his effort, Gore’s production team is trying again to get this broadcast rights to this video in a “back door” sort of way. Here’s the most recent email exchange:

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On 07/11/2012, at 1:04 PM, Andrea Smith wrote:

Hi Chris!

Wasn’t sure if this is the same Chris who shot the fire tornado? But I was curious if Alice Springs Television still controlled the rights to the footage?

I’m a producer working on some documentary pieces for a nonprofit organization doing an internet broadcast, and was wondering how much it would

be to license some of the footage?

Thank you so much for your help and time!

Best wishes,

Andrea L. Smith

Producer/The Climate Reality Project

[email redacted]

[telephone numbers redacted]

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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:28 AM, chris tangey [email redacted] wrote:

Andrea,

I mean no disrespect, but I have to say that at best your organisation has some serious internal communication problems.

At worst, Mr. Gore is now requesting these images “through the back door”, and I note in your email that you completely omit mentioning Mr. Gore or the specific intentions you have for its usage.

As I’m sure you are aware I have previously refused a request for this footage from your Founder and Chairman on the grounds that there is no evidence to support your proposed usage.

That is, that this intense, but incredibly localised, event has any relationship whatsoever to climate change/global warming. In fact from the expert advice I have received, I believe the evidence is to the contrary.

I am happy to be proved wrong, but that appears highly unlikely.

In any case, even if “the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing” in Mr. Gore’s organisation, I again have to ask the question; Why would you request this footage

if you do not have firm evidence to prove that this particular event was caused by, or was in any way attributable to, global or even regional climate change?

If a project is bold enough to call itself “Climate Reality, ” then I would reasonably expect a great deal of fact and reality attached to it.

I believe viewers all over the world would expect the same. If I tune into your special event “24 hours of reality” on November 14 and 15, how will I know which event you present is really factual and directly attributable, and which is not?

Dare I say, what will be truth and what won’t be? How will anyone watching know? Especially, how will the 4,000 activists around the world your project has trained to “educate and inspire others” know?

Are all your requests for visual material to support climate change presentations made without any prior requirement for supporting evidence?

I must say that this continuing episode has adversely affected my view of those promoting anthropological climate change , and I now view any programs about it with a more sceptical eye.

So, yet again, I cannot in all conscience accept your offer, for any amount.

Sincerely

Chris Tangey

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On 08/11/2012, at 4:05 AM, Andrea Smith wrote:

Chris,

First of all, I in no way meant to disrespect or offend you. I am an independent, freelance producer, and I don’t think anyone is trying to acquire the footage through “the back door.” I can assure you that the Climate Reality people have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover. For instance, I have produced a piece on climate change and coffee in Colombia with scientists from CIAT, so it is very grounded in science, and both fascinating and terrifying as to what is happening all over this planet.

The program this year is to discuss “Dirty Weather” and “Extremes” of weather. It’s an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating. It’s to invite conversation and discussion. As a freelance producer I had no idea when I started this project that the US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement – every other country in the world has accepted this as a fact and is moving forward to do something about it. From what I understand, Australia has implemented a very innovative carbon tax and has a number of other programs in place in many of their cities. I’m somewhat embarrassed I live in a country where we so greedily use up so much of the earth’s resources and seem immune to it.

Anyway, it’s an incredible piece of footage and fantastic you captured it. I have been lucky enough to have the opportunity to visit your country twice for extended periods of time, including Alice Springs. I can easily say Australia is one of my favorite places in the world. Again, no offense meant, and none taken. I hope you do have the opportunity to watch part of the programming and that you find merit in it.

Very best wishes,

Andrea L. Smith

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Begin forwarded message:

From: chris tangey

Date: 8 November 2012 11:25:39 AM ACST

To: Andrea Smith

Subject: Re: Firenado footage

Andrea,

Thanks for your response, I’m sure from your comments below that you are personally committed to the cause of anthropological climate change, but as copyright owner my primary concern is that any usage of this material should be scientifically valid and in context. I find that your response hasn’t addressed my specific questions on whether it would be scientifically appropriate to use it in an extreme weather context .

As has been widely reported, it was such a highly localised event it was most likely caused by the fire itself, let alone any external “weather” and certainly not anything on a climatic scale.

The cattle station owners (who have been on that property for 55 years) have indicated that is their firm belief, and that in fact its heat and severity was caused by the fact that they have deliberately protected that patch of resin-filled spinifex grass for over half a century, allowing that resin to build up over time. Spinifex (Triodia) is highly flammable and creates intense heat in any case.

Joel Lisonbee, Manager of the Northern Territory Climate Services Centre, was quoted as saying he also saw no connection between this event and climate change/global warming.

“This event was better described as a dust devil within a fire. Most of us have seen dust devils and know they are not uncommon,” Mr Lisonbee said:

“You need hot, dry conditions but you get those in desert-like conditions everywhere, regardless of global warming.”

I know that we could just “agree to disagree” but I feel I must raise some real concerns to your response. Firstly your title indicates your are employed at the highest level of the Climate Reality Project, a Producer, freelancer or not, so I am confused as to why you refer to “the Climate Reality people” in the third person. Assuming for a moment that these people are separate to yourself you go on to say that they “have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover”. So clearly this indicates they must have approved not just your enquiry about the footage, but the next stage of actually offering to buy it.

Since Mr. Gore’s office first contacted me to buy the rights, which indicated Mr. Gore himself had made the request to purchase, I have had cause to conduct considerable research on climate change.

In the course of this research I have discovered a lot of non-scientific, apparently agenda-driven name-calling going on, including your below “Climate Denier” tag.

Apparently “climate deniers” are people with a different viewpoint to yours, so are fair game to be labelled , put in a box and publicly pilloried. I would have though the correct scientific response would be to simply convince them of your argument. I think few people have doubt that the climate is changing, the questions are to what extent and whether it is human-induced. I am happy to be convinced, but by simply labelling questioners who need more information “climate deniers” might be colorful politics, but would seem a doomed approach to science education.

Now, the doubts that I mention don’t appear from thin air, but have actually been introduced by your own “team” so to speak , so it would appear a bit rich to be blaming others, let alone calling them childish names for them now having doubts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9192494/Climate-scientists-are-losing-the-public-debate-on-global-warming.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/6636563/University-of-East-Anglia-emails-the-most-contentious-quotes.html

Much more relevant to me is that my research has shown that your own Founder and Chairman has had his own share of controversy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7849441/Michael-Mann-says-hockey-stick-should-not-have-become-climate-change-icon.html

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/69679-judge-al-gores-nine-incovenient-truths

I have even found a quote from Mr. Gore saying that “the science is settled”. As far as I know true operational science is never settled, it is always open to additional data that may later arrive at a new conclusion.

You say the context of using my footage on this global media event would merely be as “an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating” and to “invite conversation and discussion.”

If there is going to be an “open discussion”, then I presume there will be Scientists with opposing opinions, if not, how will it be “open”?

I’m sorry, but this seems to me both disingenuous and illogical and echoes Mr. Gore’s original request to simply use it in “presentations” on “environmental topics”. In barely the space of a month 2 major Al Gore organisations, Climate Reality Project and Carthage Group have asked to buy this footage. Given the very reason for the existence of these organisations is to promote anthropological climate change,

I am to believe that the purpose is actually NOT to sell viewers on climate change? Then sorry… why do you wish to buy it?

For your information I am no stranger to either science or extreme, wind-related weather events. For instance, I was Associate Producer, Head of Research and Co-Writer on the 1 hour long, 2001 National Geographic Channel (U.S.) documentary “Red Storm” which dealt with dust storms and the relevant science globally.

It seems to me I am the type of person you are making this program for, those of us yet to be convinced, but after the experience of the last month or so I’m afraid I am left less convinced than ever.

Cheers

Chris

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Mr. Gore’s team is apparently trying to make a common phenomenon known as a fire whirl look like it is somehow. Wikipedia has this to say about it (sans any mention of climate change or global warming):

A fire whirl with flames in the vortex – click to view at Wikipedia

A fire whirl, colloquially fire devil or fire tornado, is a phenomenon—rarely captured on camera—in which a fire, under certain conditions (depending on air temperature and currents), acquires a vertical vorticity and forms a whirl, or a tornado-like vertically oriented rotating column of air. Fire whirls may be whirlwinds separated from the flames, either within the burn area or outside it, or a vortex of flame, itself.

An extreme example is the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake in Japan which ignited a large city-sized firestorm and produced a gigantic fire whirl that killed 38,000 in fifteen minutes in the Hifukusho-Ato region of Tokyo.[1] Another example is the numerous large fire whirls (some tornadic) that developed after lightning struck an oil storage facility near San Luis Obispo, California on April 7, 1926, several of which produced significant structural damage well away from the fire, killing two. Thousands of whirlwinds were produced by the four-day-long firestorm coincident with conditions that produced severe thunderstorms, in which the larger fire whirls carried debris 5 kilometers away.[2]

Most of the largest fire tornados are spawned from wildfires. They form when a warm updraft and convergence from the wildfire are present.[3] They are usually 10-50 meters tall, a few meters wide, and last only a few minutes. However, some can be more than a kilometer tall, contain winds over 160 km/h, and persist for more than 20 minutes.[4]

Fire whirls can uproot trees up to 15 metres (49 ft) tall.[5] These can also aid the ‘spotting’ ability of wildfires to propagate and start new fires.

Visually impressive fire whirls may be encountered during dry wind gusts at the annual Burning Man festival in Nevada’s Black Rock Desert, late on Saturday or Sunday evening during the burning of The Man or Temple, respectively.

Maybe Gore’s team will use footage from “burning man” to tell us all how fire tornadoes are more common now due to Tabloid Climatology™

Those who seek to link ‘extreme weather’ to climate should heed this strong editorial for the world’s largest and most prestigious scientific journal, Nature:

Nature editorial dashes alarmist hopes of linking extreme weather events to global warming

From Nature: Extreme weather

Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.

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Otter
November 11, 2012 7:15 am

Permission to repost!
I’ve had people on the site I post to, explain to me what a HERO algor is.
REPLY: Sure go ahead, Anthony

Glenn A. Plant
November 11, 2012 7:21 am

It seems their efforts are convincing people… to abandon CAGW.
Glenn

Go Home
November 11, 2012 7:25 am

I can appreciate Chris’s integrity of not taking Gores money to present another lie to the world. But personally, I wish he would take the money and give them license to lie. Would be good fodder for the rest of us to once again ridicule Al Gore, the man with no conscience. I say let him step in it.

dogald
November 11, 2012 7:27 am

Mr.Gore and his associates are so thick the letters from Mr. Tangey will flow off their backs like water of a duck. While there is money to be made they will continue in the same vain.

November 11, 2012 7:29 am

I would also like permission to reblog this..
REPLY: Sure, go ahead – Anthony

November 11, 2012 7:30 am

Reblogged this on saneromeo and commented:
The Left’s deffinition of science is something you can’t understand, but something Al Gore can…Go figure.

November 11, 2012 7:30 am

Seems clear enough from this that the more these alarmists press their extremism, the more people are believing it less. Good sign.

Ian L. McQueen
November 11, 2012 7:40 am

Mr. Tangey has done a good job of pointing out the error in Andrea Smith’s mistaken belief about “deniers”. But, is there any chance that we can be provided with an e-dress for her with which we can add further comments (polite ones!)?
IanM

Peter Miller
November 11, 2012 7:43 am

Clearly, Al Gore wanted to use part of this clip as a warning of just what the future of global warming will look like. Undoubtedly, it would have impressed the poo out of his lumpen proletariat alarmist following.
Sadly for him, there are still some principled people around who do not want their belongings morphed into being part of some serial liar’s tacky promo.

Robert in Calgary
November 11, 2012 7:45 am

Nice responses by Chris.
The icing for Andrea’s brain would have been including links for Gore’s ocean view mansion purchase in early 2010.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/03/stunning-pictures-al-gores-new-9-million-mansion-media-totally-ignore
http://directorblue.blogspot.ca/2010/05/exclusive-estimate-carbon-footprint-of.html

Editor
November 11, 2012 7:58 am

I bet Andrea Smith wasn’t expecting her 15 minutes of fame to happen before her project airs!
Kudos to Chris Tangey for taking his stand. I’m glad the time he spent writing one person is being read by many.

Alvin
November 11, 2012 8:00 am

What some people may be missing, as an example of what happened Tuesday, it that you only need to convince a small minority of very motivated people (the press, NEWS, politicians) to get a large amount of people to follow them or to give up defending the truth. Twelve million people simply stopped voting from 2008 to 2012. I knew something was up the weeks before the election as a facebook poster came to my counties’ GOP page and inquired if the Republican party was finally going to face “facts” about global warming and work with Obama to create saving legislation. This was before Sandy and long before the final public polls were out. The left were setting their agenda. They were using Obama’s internal polling.

November 11, 2012 8:06 am

I’m most impressed by Mr. Tangey’s responses. I could (as always) be wrong, but he appears to be in Andrew Breitbart and Anthony Watts territory. Intelligent, fearless, and willing to jump into the fray any time, any where, in order to battle a**hattery. This evening, I’ll raise a glass to Mr. Tangey when I do so to the men and women of our military.

theduke
November 11, 2012 8:12 am

Nice to see this kind of integrity in the climate “science” world, and I use the word “science” loosely.
Yours truly,
a member of the active Climate Denier Movement.

Duke C.
November 11, 2012 8:21 am

It seems likely that Ms. Smith conferred with Gore before responding on Nov. 8 2012. No doubt she was on the receiving end of a verbal tirade regarding U.S. based Climate Deniers (interesting that “Climate Deniers” is capitalized) from Gore. Did he actually dictate the response, I wonder?

Jimbo
November 11, 2012 8:24 am

Seeing as old Al wants to link global warming with wild fires how about linking to the research?

Future wildfire in circumboreal forests in relation to global warming
Abstract. Despite increasing temperatures since the end of the Little Ice Age (ca. 1850), wildfire frequency has decreased as shown in many field studies from North America and Europe……
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2307/3237261/abstract

From what I can gather wildfires have been a part of the Australian landscape before anyone set foot there and that some flora like eucalypt forests are dependent on fires for their regeneration cycle. Gore has to show me that the trend is worsening and I would need at least 60 years of data.

Jimbo
November 11, 2012 8:27 am

Furthermore, Gore has to strip out human caused fires like arson and camp fires. I want to see the fires caused by co2 and a ‘warming’ planet.

November 11, 2012 8:30 am

Something occurred to me today. Global warming has provided an excellent cover for political incompetence. The mayor of New York is able given a pass because a news outlet, bearing a remarkable resemblance to his name, blamed the catastrophe that was Sandy on global warming . . . and called me stupid. The environmental lobby gets a pass on stopping the removal of the branches that took out so much of the electrical grid. Chris Christy gets a pass on allowing the Jersey Shore to be storm vulnerable. No wonder the political class loves global warming. It allows them to abdicate their responsibilities. They get a pass because the media allow terms like “frankenstorm” and “biggest ever” to go unchallenged. Perhaps it is time we started demanding answers from our politicians as to how these things can happen. If global warming is real, it isn’t like it is a new thing. Al Gore and Jim Hansen have been crying wolf since 1988. Why the hell have these things been allowed to happen, global warming or not? Why are we spending money on Solyndra while the subways of New York remain vulnerable to a storm surge? etc. etc. And I’ll stop ranting now.

David Ball
November 11, 2012 8:30 am

You can literally hear Andrea Smith’s mind slam shut upon opening Chris’ letter.

David Ball
November 11, 2012 8:32 am

Correction; Shut tighter.

Louis Hooffstetter
November 11, 2012 8:33 am

Go Chris!!
Producer Andrea says:
“I have produced a piece on climate change and coffee in Colombia with scientists from CIAT, so it is very grounded in science, and both fascinating and terrifying as to what is happening all over this planet.”
From the New York (fishwrapper) Times says it’s too hot:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/science/earth/10coffee.html?pagewanted=all
Nasa says it’s from too much rain:
http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/featured-items/climate_reduce_world_coffee
Computer models predict extinctions due to ‘deleterious effects of climate change’: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/coffee-extinction_n_2104187.html
This is all blatant bullshit. Both coffee production and consumption worldwide have gone through the roof over the last four decades:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/214089-scarcity-vs-starbucks-going-cuckoo-for-coffee
http://www.scaa.org/chronicle/2011/10/14/analyzing-the-world-coffee-market/
If coffee disappears in the wild, it will only be because the areas where it grows will be converted to produce domesticated coffee.

Skeptic
November 11, 2012 8:35 am

Go Home suggests “…I wish he would take the money and give them license to lie. Would be good fodder for the rest of us to once again ridicule Al Gore, the man with no conscience. I say let him step in it.” Unfortunately this will have the opposite effect. Gore’s audience are impressionable school children and those who watch “The Simpsons”, “The Price is Right” and “All my Children”.
Showing this sort of phenomena in the wrong context just sets the table for Obama, Chu and Jackson to introduce all their insane regulations that will destroy the economy and the country.

November 11, 2012 8:36 am

I am surprised that Andrea Smith thinks that USA is the only country in the world with an “active Climate Denier” movement.
She needs to get out more – or at least read more – or even just start to think for herself.

Pamela Gray
November 11, 2012 8:36 am

My suggestion to dear ol’ Al. Photo shop it. However, remember to take the mammaries and hollywood eyes out of the engineered picture. On the other hand, I would encourage the use of retaining the ghost of religious symbols (if the “fire storm” picture’s origin is of a relic instead of a starlit). It would serve to enourage your base. Remember your globe of hurricanes? Bottom line, there is absolutely no reason not to manufacture your dat…picture. I’m sure you have talented team members schooled in such things. In fact I hear Man…someone on your side may be looking for a job. Do remind your expert however to make sure the whirl is turning in the proper direction for the SH and that any kind of measurement related to fire whirl rings needs to include “the trick”. Just sayin.

Sundance
November 11, 2012 8:47 am

“From what I understand, Australia has implemented a very innovative carbon tax and has a number of other programs in place in many of their cities. I’m somewhat embarrassed I live in a country where we so greedily use up so much of the earth’s resources and seem immune to it.”
What I find disturbing is that this woman has no idea that the USA is actually lowering CO2 emissions faster than Australia or that the USA has been extremely conservative in using a vast wealth of energy that it posesses and yet she is quick to proclaim that she is embarrassed to be part of our country. Andrea I invite you to go to a country where you will not be embarrassed because those of us that look at the science are embarrassed by you and Al Gore for being dishonest climate trolls and propagandists who misuse science for political ideology. You pretty much sum up the anti-science mentality behind this project and the intent to push more self-loathing and guilt upon the gullible who lack the scientific capabilities to see through such propaganda. It must be terribly frustrating for you and Al Gore to encounter people like Chris Tangey who do their own research, who are capable of weeding out deceptions used by those like you and Al Gore and who refuse to become useful idiots of your cause.

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