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Readers may recall this story: Al Gore denied film footage rights by an Australian filmmaker where Mr. Gore sought the broadcast rights to a “fire tornado” footage shot during a wildfire near Alice Springs Australia for use in his upcoming “dirty weather report” aka 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology™.
The Australian wrote about how the filmmaker said ‘no’ then:
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Al Gore denied firestorm footage | The Australian
A WEATHER expert has backed the stance of an Alice Springs filmmaker who refused to sell footage of a firestorm to former US vice-president Al Gore — to use in Mr Gore’s climate presentations — because the event was unrelated to climate change.
In an email exchange with Mr Gore’s office, Tangey said using the footage in a climate-change framework would be ‘deliberately deceptive’
“I am aware that you may have missed the reporting on the very localised nature of this firestorm,” Tangey wrote. “However, in any case, I am confused as to why you would offer to buy a licence to use it at all unless you had conducted even elementary research which might indicate that this Mt Conner event had direct linkage to global warming/climate change.”
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Here below is a sample of the video shot by Tangey that Gore wants to use. One could safely bet that it would be used in the unsupportable context of “wildfires and tornadoes are getting worse due to climate change” and what could be more terrifying that tornadoes of fire to people that don’t know about the mechanisms of their formation and how they aren’t like the tornadoes from cumulonimbus supercell storms or that they’ve been around since time immemorial in wildfires?
After seeing it, I can understand why Gore wanted it, and why the filmmaker denied him the right to use it.
Now unbelievably, after being told in no uncertain terms that the use of this video in the context of Gore’s “dirty weather report“, won’t be licensed to his effort, Gore’s production team is trying again to get this broadcast rights to this video in a “back door” sort of way. Here’s the most recent email exchange:
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On 07/11/2012, at 1:04 PM, Andrea Smith wrote:
Hi Chris!
Wasn’t sure if this is the same Chris who shot the fire tornado? But I was curious if Alice Springs Television still controlled the rights to the footage?
I’m a producer working on some documentary pieces for a nonprofit organization doing an internet broadcast, and was wondering how much it would
be to license some of the footage?
Thank you so much for your help and time!
Best wishes,
Andrea L. Smith
Producer/The Climate Reality Project
[email redacted]
[telephone numbers redacted]
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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:28 AM, chris tangey [email redacted] wrote:
Andrea,
I mean no disrespect, but I have to say that at best your organisation has some serious internal communication problems.
At worst, Mr. Gore is now requesting these images “through the back door”, and I note in your email that you completely omit mentioning Mr. Gore or the specific intentions you have for its usage.
As I’m sure you are aware I have previously refused a request for this footage from your Founder and Chairman on the grounds that there is no evidence to support your proposed usage.
That is, that this intense, but incredibly localised, event has any relationship whatsoever to climate change/global warming. In fact from the expert advice I have received, I believe the evidence is to the contrary.
I am happy to be proved wrong, but that appears highly unlikely.
In any case, even if “the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing” in Mr. Gore’s organisation, I again have to ask the question; Why would you request this footage
if you do not have firm evidence to prove that this particular event was caused by, or was in any way attributable to, global or even regional climate change?
If a project is bold enough to call itself “Climate Reality, ” then I would reasonably expect a great deal of fact and reality attached to it.
I believe viewers all over the world would expect the same. If I tune into your special event “24 hours of reality” on November 14 and 15, how will I know which event you present is really factual and directly attributable, and which is not?
Dare I say, what will be truth and what won’t be? How will anyone watching know? Especially, how will the 4,000 activists around the world your project has trained to “educate and inspire others” know?
Are all your requests for visual material to support climate change presentations made without any prior requirement for supporting evidence?
I must say that this continuing episode has adversely affected my view of those promoting anthropological climate change , and I now view any programs about it with a more sceptical eye.
So, yet again, I cannot in all conscience accept your offer, for any amount.
Sincerely
Chris Tangey
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On 08/11/2012, at 4:05 AM, Andrea Smith wrote:
Chris,
First of all, I in no way meant to disrespect or offend you. I am an independent, freelance producer, and I don’t think anyone is trying to acquire the footage through “the back door.” I can assure you that the Climate Reality people have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover. For instance, I have produced a piece on climate change and coffee in Colombia with scientists from CIAT, so it is very grounded in science, and both fascinating and terrifying as to what is happening all over this planet.
The program this year is to discuss “Dirty Weather” and “Extremes” of weather. It’s an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating. It’s to invite conversation and discussion. As a freelance producer I had no idea when I started this project that the US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement – every other country in the world has accepted this as a fact and is moving forward to do something about it. From what I understand, Australia has implemented a very innovative carbon tax and has a number of other programs in place in many of their cities. I’m somewhat embarrassed I live in a country where we so greedily use up so much of the earth’s resources and seem immune to it.
Anyway, it’s an incredible piece of footage and fantastic you captured it. I have been lucky enough to have the opportunity to visit your country twice for extended periods of time, including Alice Springs. I can easily say Australia is one of my favorite places in the world. Again, no offense meant, and none taken. I hope you do have the opportunity to watch part of the programming and that you find merit in it.
Very best wishes,
Andrea L. Smith
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Begin forwarded message:
From: chris tangey
Date: 8 November 2012 11:25:39 AM ACST
To: Andrea Smith
Subject: Re: Firenado footage
Andrea,
Thanks for your response, I’m sure from your comments below that you are personally committed to the cause of anthropological climate change, but as copyright owner my primary concern is that any usage of this material should be scientifically valid and in context. I find that your response hasn’t addressed my specific questions on whether it would be scientifically appropriate to use it in an extreme weather context .
As has been widely reported, it was such a highly localised event it was most likely caused by the fire itself, let alone any external “weather” and certainly not anything on a climatic scale.
The cattle station owners (who have been on that property for 55 years) have indicated that is their firm belief, and that in fact its heat and severity was caused by the fact that they have deliberately protected that patch of resin-filled spinifex grass for over half a century, allowing that resin to build up over time. Spinifex (Triodia) is highly flammable and creates intense heat in any case.
Joel Lisonbee, Manager of the Northern Territory Climate Services Centre, was quoted as saying he also saw no connection between this event and climate change/global warming.
“This event was better described as a dust devil within a fire. Most of us have seen dust devils and know they are not uncommon,” Mr Lisonbee said:
“You need hot, dry conditions but you get those in desert-like conditions everywhere, regardless of global warming.”
I know that we could just “agree to disagree” but I feel I must raise some real concerns to your response. Firstly your title indicates your are employed at the highest level of the Climate Reality Project, a Producer, freelancer or not, so I am confused as to why you refer to “the Climate Reality people” in the third person. Assuming for a moment that these people are separate to yourself you go on to say that they “have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover”. So clearly this indicates they must have approved not just your enquiry about the footage, but the next stage of actually offering to buy it.
Since Mr. Gore’s office first contacted me to buy the rights, which indicated Mr. Gore himself had made the request to purchase, I have had cause to conduct considerable research on climate change.
In the course of this research I have discovered a lot of non-scientific, apparently agenda-driven name-calling going on, including your below “Climate Denier” tag.
Apparently “climate deniers” are people with a different viewpoint to yours, so are fair game to be labelled , put in a box and publicly pilloried. I would have though the correct scientific response would be to simply convince them of your argument. I think few people have doubt that the climate is changing, the questions are to what extent and whether it is human-induced. I am happy to be convinced, but by simply labelling questioners who need more information “climate deniers” might be colorful politics, but would seem a doomed approach to science education.
Now, the doubts that I mention don’t appear from thin air, but have actually been introduced by your own “team” so to speak , so it would appear a bit rich to be blaming others, let alone calling them childish names for them now having doubts:
Much more relevant to me is that my research has shown that your own Founder and Chairman has had his own share of controversy:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/69679-judge-al-gores-nine-incovenient-truths
I have even found a quote from Mr. Gore saying that “the science is settled”. As far as I know true operational science is never settled, it is always open to additional data that may later arrive at a new conclusion.
You say the context of using my footage on this global media event would merely be as “an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating” and to “invite conversation and discussion.”
If there is going to be an “open discussion”, then I presume there will be Scientists with opposing opinions, if not, how will it be “open”?
I’m sorry, but this seems to me both disingenuous and illogical and echoes Mr. Gore’s original request to simply use it in “presentations” on “environmental topics”. In barely the space of a month 2 major Al Gore organisations, Climate Reality Project and Carthage Group have asked to buy this footage. Given the very reason for the existence of these organisations is to promote anthropological climate change,
I am to believe that the purpose is actually NOT to sell viewers on climate change? Then sorry… why do you wish to buy it?
For your information I am no stranger to either science or extreme, wind-related weather events. For instance, I was Associate Producer, Head of Research and Co-Writer on the 1 hour long, 2001 National Geographic Channel (U.S.) documentary “Red Storm” which dealt with dust storms and the relevant science globally.
It seems to me I am the type of person you are making this program for, those of us yet to be convinced, but after the experience of the last month or so I’m afraid I am left less convinced than ever.
Cheers
Chris
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Mr. Gore’s team is apparently trying to make a common phenomenon known as a fire whirl look like it is somehow. Wikipedia has this to say about it (sans any mention of climate change or global warming):
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A fire whirl, colloquially fire devil or fire tornado, is a phenomenon—rarely captured on camera—in which a fire, under certain conditions (depending on air temperature and currents), acquires a vertical vorticity and forms a whirl, or a tornado-like vertically oriented rotating column of air. Fire whirls may be whirlwinds separated from the flames, either within the burn area or outside it, or a vortex of flame, itself.
An extreme example is the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake in Japan which ignited a large city-sized firestorm and produced a gigantic fire whirl that killed 38,000 in fifteen minutes in the Hifukusho-Ato region of Tokyo.[1] Another example is the numerous large fire whirls (some tornadic) that developed after lightning struck an oil storage facility near San Luis Obispo, California on April 7, 1926, several of which produced significant structural damage well away from the fire, killing two. Thousands of whirlwinds were produced by the four-day-long firestorm coincident with conditions that produced severe thunderstorms, in which the larger fire whirls carried debris 5 kilometers away.[2]
Most of the largest fire tornados are spawned from wildfires. They form when a warm updraft and convergence from the wildfire are present.[3] They are usually 10-50 meters tall, a few meters wide, and last only a few minutes. However, some can be more than a kilometer tall, contain winds over 160 km/h, and persist for more than 20 minutes.[4]
Fire whirls can uproot trees up to 15 metres (49 ft) tall.[5] These can also aid the ‘spotting’ ability of wildfires to propagate and start new fires.
Visually impressive fire whirls may be encountered during dry wind gusts at the annual Burning Man festival in Nevada’s Black Rock Desert, late on Saturday or Sunday evening during the burning of The Man or Temple, respectively.
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Maybe Gore’s team will use footage from “burning man” to tell us all how fire tornadoes are more common now due to Tabloid Climatology™
Those who seek to link ‘extreme weather’ to climate should heed this strong editorial for the world’s largest and most prestigious scientific journal, Nature:
Nature editorial dashes alarmist hopes of linking extreme weather events to global warming
From Nature: Extreme weather
Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.
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PROGRAMMING NOTE:
Be sure to see the debut of WUWT-TV countering Gore’s 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology starting at 8PM EST (5PMPST) on November 14th. Details here:
Announcement: WUWT-TV to counter Al Gore’s ’24 Hours of Climate Reality’ with live webcast
Producer Andrea says:I have produced a piece on climate change and coffee in Colombia with scientists from CIAT, so it is very grounded in science, and both fascinating and terrifying as to what is happening all over this planet.
Well she’s half right. The coffee is certainly “grounded” in science.
@higley7 who says: There are over 31,000 PhDs (the Oregon Project) who oppose and deny the junk science of Anthropogenic Global Warming. You made a great point(s) but I think the Oregon Project had over 9 thousand PhDs and the rest were other types of experts, engineers and such. Let’s not get facts incorrect and give the Ice Age Deniers more ammo.
As usual, in your eagerness to hatefully attack the messenger, you miss the forest for the trees. There are numerous studies showing it’s almost certain we will see larger and more intense wildfires in many parts of the world.
Bob Berwyn says:
November 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm
As usual, in your eagerness to hatefully attack the messenger, you miss the forest for the trees. There are numerous studies showing it’s almost certain we will see larger and more intense wildfires in many parts of the world.
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There are numerous studies showing that temperatures will have increased by 0.2 to 0.3 degrees over the last 15 years (except they haven’t) that increases will be accelerating (except they aren’t) that sea level rise will accelerate (except is isn’t) that hurricanes will increase in frequency and strength (except they haven’t) and that Manhatten would be under water by now. I haven’t personally checked that last one, could you do me solid and take a look see? Along with the wildfires claim, perhaps they got one prediction right?
My guess is that they will use it anyway.
They only need a few seconds for effect, and they can claim “fair use” to avoid copyright issues.
As a former mining engineer, I can assure you what I did was far more beneficial to the environment than a million trash-separating enviros combined. Now, that may sound counterintuitive, but leaving thousands of acres better suited for biodiversity after mining while also reaping the minerals and fossil fuels so you can drive around telling everybody they need to change their ways is exactly what I’m talking about.
(I get the feeling that most people here are not only conscientious about their impact on the environment, they’re actually doing something about it. Stick around, –you might come to the same conclusion and we welcome your imput.)
John Eggert says: Global warming has provided an excellent cover for political incompetence. …. … And I’ll stop ranting now.
No John don’t ever stop. If we fail to keep on (rationally) ranting then those who uncritically accept the crap dished up by much of the mainstream media will never learn the facts. If we open the mind of just one person per day we have a chance of exposing the truth.
You have mistakenly bought into the notion that going backwards is going forward. It is technological innovations and increases of efficiency that will clean the world. Perhaps one day all mining, resources, and production will be done off the earth. This is not as far off as some would have you believe.
Oops .. not a meteorologist I take it higley7? Maybe one can explain to you how humid night air contributes to _less_ over-night cooling in an area vs a ‘dry’ air mass over that same area …
(WV is a gas, no?)
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{Bob Berwyn says:
November 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm
As usual, in your eagerness to hatefully attack the messenger, you miss the forest for the trees. There are numerous studies showing it’s almost certain we will see larger and more intense wildfires in many parts of the world.}
As usual, in your eagerness to post unsupported trollop, you omit those studies showing robust results that indicate parts of the world will see smaller and less intense wildfires.I would imagine that some parts of the world will see no fire. And perhaps some parts of the world are always on fire.
But continue to fire away.
“As a freelance producer I had no idea when I started this project that the US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement”
Well Andrea, to paraphrase Lewis Grizzard, Delta is ready when you are. Bless your heart.
If coffee disappears in the wild, it will only be because the areas where it grows will be converted to produce domesticated coffee.
Or bio-fuels.
And for the ill-informed,large swathes of forest in NA would not be there without fires.Lodgepole pine being just one which needs the heat of fires for their seeds to activate.But then I know the cAGW whores are there for the bucks only(no insult to real prostitutes)
Andrea L Smith doesn’t sound like a real person, especially with the initials AL 🙂
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i8f64cNLNM3VZWOmmY2VoKpVeW5w?docId=CNG.fb3bd09177c5a6b080a3a68b3038a92e.251
we can expect a barrage of “Poor Panda’ snaps op go with the ‘Poor Polar bear’ snaps any moment from now.
10,9,8,7
regards
Bob Berwyn,
Got links to those “numerous studies”?
You probably voted for Obama, so you already helped a lot of people do just that.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/us-leftists-demonstrate-complete-ignorance-of-well-all-things/
“As a freelance producer I had no idea when I started this project that the US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement – every other country in the world has accepted this as a fact and is moving forward to do something about it.”
The arrogance of A.L. Smith is astounding. I would wager that she has “no idea” about a lot of things, particularly science and climate change.
It seems she is very misinformed. The U.S. is not the only country with an active skeptic group. As an Australian citizen I have to say that I do not support Julia Gillard’s carbon tax and more to the point neither did she until she needed the Green vote to stay in power. Perhaps if we are to use labels we should use the term “Climate cynics” for those who have determined to push their agenda, whatever it might be, through the vehicle of climate change.
Bob Berwyn,
I agree, everywhere government funded fire fighting has allowed excess fuel to accumulate we will indeed see massive and intense fires. Zip to do with AGW. For links see the forest service reports on wild fires and no burn policies of past 40 years. Mesa Verde fire ect.
Didn’t Oz have what was essentially a single issue party contesting the last GE over CAGW?
DaveE.
Be on the lookout for creepy Agenda 21 commercials, the Climate Change agenda is part of that plan. They say, “Agenda 21 is Coming Soon”, at the end of the commercials. What are they trying to tell us?
Agenda 21 Commercial 11/8/2012
Creepy Agenda 21 commercial
Chris Tangey is a national hero
Goldie says:
November 11, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“It seems she is very misinformed. The U.S. is not the only country with an active skeptic group. ”
Portrait the enemy as a small deluded isolated group. Simple trick.
A L smith, I’m German. I see what you’re doing, and why you’re doing it.
How’s the poodle doing.
Jim, please explain to me how what you describe, is an example of the GHE. Then please explain to me how the supposed GHG you describe, warms the surface of the planet. Go ahead, take your time…. I’ll wait…
I agree. But what do you want us to change and to what extent? I will not stop using gas (LPG), diesel, coal until and unless economical and practical alternatives are found or they run out or not made available through legislation.
Now read about somebody who has changed somethings in their life. Ask yourself have you done all these things and more? I certainly have not.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/about2/
This is not good either;
Climate Change Adaptation in Grenada: Water Resources, Coastal Ecosystems and Renewable Energy, UN-DESA
http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=400&nr=635&menu=35
http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.html
Commercials being put out under this name;
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/index.shtml?utm_source=OldRedirect&utm_medium=redirect&utm_content=dsd&utm_campaign=OldRedirect