People send me stuff.
Readers may recall this story: Al Gore denied film footage rights by an Australian filmmaker where Mr. Gore sought the broadcast rights to a “fire tornado” footage shot during a wildfire near Alice Springs Australia for use in his upcoming “dirty weather report” aka 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology™.
The Australian wrote about how the filmmaker said ‘no’ then:
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Al Gore denied firestorm footage | The Australian
A WEATHER expert has backed the stance of an Alice Springs filmmaker who refused to sell footage of a firestorm to former US vice-president Al Gore — to use in Mr Gore’s climate presentations — because the event was unrelated to climate change.
In an email exchange with Mr Gore’s office, Tangey said using the footage in a climate-change framework would be ‘deliberately deceptive’
“I am aware that you may have missed the reporting on the very localised nature of this firestorm,” Tangey wrote. “However, in any case, I am confused as to why you would offer to buy a licence to use it at all unless you had conducted even elementary research which might indicate that this Mt Conner event had direct linkage to global warming/climate change.”
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Here below is a sample of the video shot by Tangey that Gore wants to use. One could safely bet that it would be used in the unsupportable context of “wildfires and tornadoes are getting worse due to climate change” and what could be more terrifying that tornadoes of fire to people that don’t know about the mechanisms of their formation and how they aren’t like the tornadoes from cumulonimbus supercell storms or that they’ve been around since time immemorial in wildfires?
After seeing it, I can understand why Gore wanted it, and why the filmmaker denied him the right to use it.
Now unbelievably, after being told in no uncertain terms that the use of this video in the context of Gore’s “dirty weather report“, won’t be licensed to his effort, Gore’s production team is trying again to get this broadcast rights to this video in a “back door” sort of way. Here’s the most recent email exchange:
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On 07/11/2012, at 1:04 PM, Andrea Smith wrote:
Hi Chris!
Wasn’t sure if this is the same Chris who shot the fire tornado? But I was curious if Alice Springs Television still controlled the rights to the footage?
I’m a producer working on some documentary pieces for a nonprofit organization doing an internet broadcast, and was wondering how much it would
be to license some of the footage?
Thank you so much for your help and time!
Best wishes,
Andrea L. Smith
Producer/The Climate Reality Project
[email redacted]
[telephone numbers redacted]
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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:28 AM, chris tangey [email redacted] wrote:
Andrea,
I mean no disrespect, but I have to say that at best your organisation has some serious internal communication problems.
At worst, Mr. Gore is now requesting these images “through the back door”, and I note in your email that you completely omit mentioning Mr. Gore or the specific intentions you have for its usage.
As I’m sure you are aware I have previously refused a request for this footage from your Founder and Chairman on the grounds that there is no evidence to support your proposed usage.
That is, that this intense, but incredibly localised, event has any relationship whatsoever to climate change/global warming. In fact from the expert advice I have received, I believe the evidence is to the contrary.
I am happy to be proved wrong, but that appears highly unlikely.
In any case, even if “the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing” in Mr. Gore’s organisation, I again have to ask the question; Why would you request this footage
if you do not have firm evidence to prove that this particular event was caused by, or was in any way attributable to, global or even regional climate change?
If a project is bold enough to call itself “Climate Reality, ” then I would reasonably expect a great deal of fact and reality attached to it.
I believe viewers all over the world would expect the same. If I tune into your special event “24 hours of reality” on November 14 and 15, how will I know which event you present is really factual and directly attributable, and which is not?
Dare I say, what will be truth and what won’t be? How will anyone watching know? Especially, how will the 4,000 activists around the world your project has trained to “educate and inspire others” know?
Are all your requests for visual material to support climate change presentations made without any prior requirement for supporting evidence?
I must say that this continuing episode has adversely affected my view of those promoting anthropological climate change , and I now view any programs about it with a more sceptical eye.
So, yet again, I cannot in all conscience accept your offer, for any amount.
Sincerely
Chris Tangey
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On 08/11/2012, at 4:05 AM, Andrea Smith wrote:
Chris,
First of all, I in no way meant to disrespect or offend you. I am an independent, freelance producer, and I don’t think anyone is trying to acquire the footage through “the back door.” I can assure you that the Climate Reality people have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover. For instance, I have produced a piece on climate change and coffee in Colombia with scientists from CIAT, so it is very grounded in science, and both fascinating and terrifying as to what is happening all over this planet.
The program this year is to discuss “Dirty Weather” and “Extremes” of weather. It’s an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating. It’s to invite conversation and discussion. As a freelance producer I had no idea when I started this project that the US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement – every other country in the world has accepted this as a fact and is moving forward to do something about it. From what I understand, Australia has implemented a very innovative carbon tax and has a number of other programs in place in many of their cities. I’m somewhat embarrassed I live in a country where we so greedily use up so much of the earth’s resources and seem immune to it.
Anyway, it’s an incredible piece of footage and fantastic you captured it. I have been lucky enough to have the opportunity to visit your country twice for extended periods of time, including Alice Springs. I can easily say Australia is one of my favorite places in the world. Again, no offense meant, and none taken. I hope you do have the opportunity to watch part of the programming and that you find merit in it.
Very best wishes,
Andrea L. Smith
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Begin forwarded message:
From: chris tangey
Date: 8 November 2012 11:25:39 AM ACST
To: Andrea Smith
Subject: Re: Firenado footage
Andrea,
Thanks for your response, I’m sure from your comments below that you are personally committed to the cause of anthropological climate change, but as copyright owner my primary concern is that any usage of this material should be scientifically valid and in context. I find that your response hasn’t addressed my specific questions on whether it would be scientifically appropriate to use it in an extreme weather context .
As has been widely reported, it was such a highly localised event it was most likely caused by the fire itself, let alone any external “weather” and certainly not anything on a climatic scale.
The cattle station owners (who have been on that property for 55 years) have indicated that is their firm belief, and that in fact its heat and severity was caused by the fact that they have deliberately protected that patch of resin-filled spinifex grass for over half a century, allowing that resin to build up over time. Spinifex (Triodia) is highly flammable and creates intense heat in any case.
Joel Lisonbee, Manager of the Northern Territory Climate Services Centre, was quoted as saying he also saw no connection between this event and climate change/global warming.
“This event was better described as a dust devil within a fire. Most of us have seen dust devils and know they are not uncommon,” Mr Lisonbee said:
“You need hot, dry conditions but you get those in desert-like conditions everywhere, regardless of global warming.”
I know that we could just “agree to disagree” but I feel I must raise some real concerns to your response. Firstly your title indicates your are employed at the highest level of the Climate Reality Project, a Producer, freelancer or not, so I am confused as to why you refer to “the Climate Reality people” in the third person. Assuming for a moment that these people are separate to yourself you go on to say that they “have been very very tough on us as far as what stories we are able to cover”. So clearly this indicates they must have approved not just your enquiry about the footage, but the next stage of actually offering to buy it.
Since Mr. Gore’s office first contacted me to buy the rights, which indicated Mr. Gore himself had made the request to purchase, I have had cause to conduct considerable research on climate change.
In the course of this research I have discovered a lot of non-scientific, apparently agenda-driven name-calling going on, including your below “Climate Denier” tag.
Apparently “climate deniers” are people with a different viewpoint to yours, so are fair game to be labelled , put in a box and publicly pilloried. I would have though the correct scientific response would be to simply convince them of your argument. I think few people have doubt that the climate is changing, the questions are to what extent and whether it is human-induced. I am happy to be convinced, but by simply labelling questioners who need more information “climate deniers” might be colorful politics, but would seem a doomed approach to science education.
Now, the doubts that I mention don’t appear from thin air, but have actually been introduced by your own “team” so to speak , so it would appear a bit rich to be blaming others, let alone calling them childish names for them now having doubts:
Much more relevant to me is that my research has shown that your own Founder and Chairman has had his own share of controversy:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/69679-judge-al-gores-nine-incovenient-truths
I have even found a quote from Mr. Gore saying that “the science is settled”. As far as I know true operational science is never settled, it is always open to additional data that may later arrive at a new conclusion.
You say the context of using my footage on this global media event would merely be as “an open point for discussion for the scientists and panelists that will be participating” and to “invite conversation and discussion.”
If there is going to be an “open discussion”, then I presume there will be Scientists with opposing opinions, if not, how will it be “open”?
I’m sorry, but this seems to me both disingenuous and illogical and echoes Mr. Gore’s original request to simply use it in “presentations” on “environmental topics”. In barely the space of a month 2 major Al Gore organisations, Climate Reality Project and Carthage Group have asked to buy this footage. Given the very reason for the existence of these organisations is to promote anthropological climate change,
I am to believe that the purpose is actually NOT to sell viewers on climate change? Then sorry… why do you wish to buy it?
For your information I am no stranger to either science or extreme, wind-related weather events. For instance, I was Associate Producer, Head of Research and Co-Writer on the 1 hour long, 2001 National Geographic Channel (U.S.) documentary “Red Storm” which dealt with dust storms and the relevant science globally.
It seems to me I am the type of person you are making this program for, those of us yet to be convinced, but after the experience of the last month or so I’m afraid I am left less convinced than ever.
Cheers
Chris
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Mr. Gore’s team is apparently trying to make a common phenomenon known as a fire whirl look like it is somehow. Wikipedia has this to say about it (sans any mention of climate change or global warming):
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A fire whirl, colloquially fire devil or fire tornado, is a phenomenon—rarely captured on camera—in which a fire, under certain conditions (depending on air temperature and currents), acquires a vertical vorticity and forms a whirl, or a tornado-like vertically oriented rotating column of air. Fire whirls may be whirlwinds separated from the flames, either within the burn area or outside it, or a vortex of flame, itself.
An extreme example is the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake in Japan which ignited a large city-sized firestorm and produced a gigantic fire whirl that killed 38,000 in fifteen minutes in the Hifukusho-Ato region of Tokyo.[1] Another example is the numerous large fire whirls (some tornadic) that developed after lightning struck an oil storage facility near San Luis Obispo, California on April 7, 1926, several of which produced significant structural damage well away from the fire, killing two. Thousands of whirlwinds were produced by the four-day-long firestorm coincident with conditions that produced severe thunderstorms, in which the larger fire whirls carried debris 5 kilometers away.[2]
Most of the largest fire tornados are spawned from wildfires. They form when a warm updraft and convergence from the wildfire are present.[3] They are usually 10-50 meters tall, a few meters wide, and last only a few minutes. However, some can be more than a kilometer tall, contain winds over 160 km/h, and persist for more than 20 minutes.[4]
Fire whirls can uproot trees up to 15 metres (49 ft) tall.[5] These can also aid the ‘spotting’ ability of wildfires to propagate and start new fires.
Visually impressive fire whirls may be encountered during dry wind gusts at the annual Burning Man festival in Nevada’s Black Rock Desert, late on Saturday or Sunday evening during the burning of The Man or Temple, respectively.
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Maybe Gore’s team will use footage from “burning man” to tell us all how fire tornadoes are more common now due to Tabloid Climatology™
Those who seek to link ‘extreme weather’ to climate should heed this strong editorial for the world’s largest and most prestigious scientific journal, Nature:
Nature editorial dashes alarmist hopes of linking extreme weather events to global warming
From Nature: Extreme weather
Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.
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PROGRAMMING NOTE:
Be sure to see the debut of WUWT-TV countering Gore’s 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology starting at 8PM EST (5PMPST) on November 14th. Details here:
Announcement: WUWT-TV to counter Al Gore’s ’24 Hours of Climate Reality’ with live webcast
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as the insane quest to make money from selling CO2 credits, etc moves into the australian outback, more bushfires may be the unintended/intended consequence:
11 Nov: ABC Landline: Carbon Sunk
PIP COURTNEY: A controversial plan to turn a central Australian cattle station into an arid zone carbon farm has hit a snag.
It was launched with great fanfare a little over a year ago by Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke and RM Williams Agricultural Holdings.
But now the management team at Henbury Station near Alice Springs has quit the project and neighbouring pastoralists are asking why the Commonwealth sank nearly $10 million into such an unproven scheme…
Qantas even got on board this year by agreeing to purchase 1 million tonnes of carbon credits from Henbury.
But 18 months on results are scant and there’s now rising speculation that the whole project could crash…
KRISTY O’BRIEN: RM Williams Agricultural Holdings added Henbury to its portfolio to bulk up its green credentials and branch out into what it believes is a booming new market. But that task is proving every bit as hard as ***sceptics imagined it would be…
KRISTY O’BRIEN: Scientists are also cautious about whether a carbon farming methodology can be developed for Central Australia’s dry and hugely varied landscape.
DR GARY COOK, CSIRO: We do need to do a lot more on-ground measurements of the amount of carbon in the soil, the amount of carbon in the vegetation and how that changes over time.
***We need to have computer models that allow us to predict that into the future with the seasonal variation that we know exists down there…
***ROY CHISHOLM. NAPPERBY STATION: If it falls arse over head, well what’s it going to do? Is it going to revert back to a cattle property or are we going to lock it up and grow rabbits and weeds and make it a little haven for fire?…
The Department of Climate Change says that once converted to a carbon reserve, Henbury can’t ever return to being a pastoral lease. It will have to remain destocked and locked up for conservation.
It’s not clear from either side of the fence what exactly would happen to the Government’s $9 million investment. The former Agricultural Minister Tony Burke, who signed off on the Henbury deal, was unavailable for comment, leaving some in the local pastoral industry uneasy…
LYNDEE SEVERIN: It seems to be a long way away from what the traditional base is and certainly very few people in Central Australia could understand with any common sense what that was all about. It seemed to be about pacifying a city-based stakeholder, not necessarily having very much to do with what actually happens on the land…
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2012/s3630155.htm
Just popped in for a look here and noticed an interesting juxtaposition. “accordionsule” talks two comments above about the “fire tornado” landowners nurturing the land and in the comment immediately below it is a quote from Lyndee Severin, her and her husband Ashley ARE the very same landowners. As I am going 50% with them on any news footage sales (to help them for their losses from the fire) I was a bit nervous about telling them about my refusal to Al Gore the first time.
But when I shared the news they enthusiastically agreed and were very happy. You see, no matter where you live on Earth, you can’t fool those who live on the land.
Congrats Chris, on taking the moral high ground !! 🙂
Philip Peake said (November 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm)
“…My guess is that they will use it anyway.
They only need a few seconds for effect, and they can claim “fair use” to avoid copyright issues…”
Just a few seconds? My guess is they’ll use it in it’s entirety. They’re hoping that Chris Tangey or somebody from his crew will be forced to watch the entire 24-hours just to catch a glimpse of it.
When it’s used, then Chris Tangey (who lives in Australia) can sue Mr Gore (who lives in the US) in court. The time it takes in the courts (determining venue, etc), and any money that Chris Tangey can get from the CRP (a non-profit organization) will be considered an “operating expense” in the CAGW battle. Al Gore will simply find someone on his team to “blame” for it’s use (he told us we couldn’t use it but an intern made a mistake).
By then, the “fire tornado” and “extreme weather” will have been linked, and very few people will question it – Al Gore said it on the internet, it must be true.
Too bad Anthony can’t be allowed to use it in his presentation (with Mr Tangey as a presenter), using it to show the tricks the CAGW crowd try to use to show just how “bad” it is, and that’s it’s only gonna get worse – much worse.
As I have already told Anthony he is more than happy to use it. Instead of me though, he should talk with a brave Climate Scientist who will relate how it doesn’t indicate climate change in any way.
Of course, Gore has form when it comes to mis-using film material in support of his beliefs. In his ‘Inconvenient Truth’, the dramatic shots of the Antarctic Icebergs breaking up was found to be the CGI clip from the ridiculous film, ‘The Day After Tomorrow’.
Why do you want all the rest of us to join you in a short miserable life?
OH, now I understand WE, the Great Unwashed, are to have short miserable lives while YOU and the other great anointed like Al Gore and Maurice Strong live as wealthy feudal overlords. What are you planing, hidden factories that produce ‘luxury goods’ only for the privileged? Reeducation Centers for ‘Climate Deniers’ and if that fails mental institutions for the politically incorrect?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
So what does the Soviet Union, Cambodia and China tell us about the fate of the Intelligentsia (people like you) after the ‘Revolution’
Once those intent on tearing down western civilization are successful and your usefulness is at an end, do not be surprised if you find yourself ‘exiled to a closed city.’ Heck they are planning to put the entire world population into closed cities. That is what Agenda 21, Sustainability, the idea of foodsheds, the war on energy, the Biodiversity Treaty and the Wildlands Project is all about.
How about listening to what a liberal democrat, Vietnam protesting lesbian who works for the California government has to say. Perhaps you might open your ears and listen to her. video
chris tangey, how interesting re Lyndee Severin…little did i know. good to hear some voices from the land.
O/T but the BBC thread is becoming unwieldy for comments, and this does give mention of Tony Newbery’s tribunal hearing. BBC is in meltdown:
12 Noc: Register: Andrew Orlowski: BBC places news chief and her deputy beyond use in Savile row
Latest DG leaps overboard from rudderless behemoth
Boaden was paid £354,000 last year, and a fortnight ago took time out to fend off a freedom-of-information request at a tribunal…
Fran Unsworth takes over as acting head of news. In 2006 she helped set a new agenda for reporting environmental issues in a blog post of some historical interest.
Worse may yet come. Paleo-commentator Simon Heffer points out that the peer wrongly accused on Twitter following the BBC’s Newsnight report has an ancient antipathy towards BBC Trust chairman Lord Patten…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/12/bbc_news_heads/
1 Aug 2006: BBC: Fran Unsworth: Environmental Changes
You would have had to have been in hibernation for the past few years to have missed the ascent of the environment up the news agenda. We have been suffering a heat wave this week that many people have found unpleasant, the south east is crippled with drought and the UK apparently now produces award-winning wine because we can grow vines successfully in this country.
Many are questioning whether climate change is responsible for all this; others argue these events are cyclical.
There is a huge responsibility on us to be a trusted and reliable source of information. But to report the subject properly we have to look not only at the science, but also the impact of environmental issues on economics, business and politics. Like all journalistic organisations we tend to have difficulty doing joined-up reporting…
That’s why we have decided to appoint an environment analyst to try to pull together some of these threads. Roger Harrabin has covered the environment for two decades, largely for radio where he has reported the story as it appears through energy, transport, housing and politics.
In his new post he will spread this approach across a wider range of BBC outlets offering original stories and new perspectives, and tackling such subjects as…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/08/environmental_changes.html
(COMMENT by Christopher Tierney: The only voices arguing against Climate change are those whose words are motivated by ignorance or money, and it’s a shame that so many of the media find it necessary to do the oil companies’ work for them by planting the seeds of doubt. Not one credible scientific paper published in the last 15 years casts doubt on the fact that we’re causing global climate change, but scepticism among politicians and the media go against this concensus, with 53% of newspaper articles published in that time expressing doubt over our responsibility for the current crisis.When is the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence going to change hearts and minds? It took decades for tobacco’s health hazards to become commonly accepted because of industry pressure; will the ability of Big Oil to buy the hearts and minds of politicans mean that the same will be true of climate change? I’m afraid we don’t have time to find out.)
extraordinary the tobacco /oil nonsense was going on back then!
Bob Berwyn says:
November 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm
As usual, in your eagerness to hatefully attack the messenger, you miss the forest for the trees. There are numerous studies showing it’s almost certain we will see larger and more intense wildfires in many parts of the world.
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Of course there is and it is caused by humans. The part you are leaving out is that it will be caused by Activists who got laws passed preventing homeowners from clearing away dangerous trees/shrubs and from the abandonment of managed forests and controlled burning. This means flammable materials build up so that when (not if) there is a fire it is devastating.
“We’ve lost two people in my family because you dickheads won’t cut trees down…”
Very eloquent replies by Chris Tangey. Pity about the “anthropological climate change” (instead of anthropogenic) (3 times).
WUWT and Climate Depot are literally the only places I ever see Gore’s name anymore. If you would just let hime fade into obscurity it would be mutually beneficial.
RockyRoad says:
November 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm
….(I get the feeling that most people here are not only conscientious about their impact on the environment, they’re actually doing something about it. Stick around, you might come to the same conclusion and we welcome your imput…..
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You are correct. Like many others here I was a member of Green Peace, Sierra Club, WWF, Nature Conservancy and others in my youth. Over the last 17 years though intelligent land management practices I have increased the topsoil on my farm from zero (clay with 1-2% organic) to four inches.
Other WUWT regulars are similar to me. The only difference between us and people like is we can separate the useful from the hype. Like the laughable myth that ‘Climate Deniers’ are an organized group well funded by the oil companies, the myth we are greedy consumers is also laughable. Take Al Gore’s $100 Million and Maurice Strong’s $44 billion or even the $104,000 a year earned by university climate scientists and compare it to my business’sgross of $24,000. I am probably on the low end of the wealth scale but I doubt there are m/any billionaires among us ‘deniers’. The same can not be said of those profiting from the CAGW scare.
Go Home says:
November 11, 2012 at 7:25 am
I can appreciate Chris’s integrity of not taking Gores money to present another lie to the world. But personally, I wish he would take the money and give them license to lie. Would be good fodder for the rest of us to once again ridicule Al Gore, the man with no conscience. I say let him step in it.
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Go Home, I disagree.
How quickly would Wikipedia change the “fire whirl” story if Chris let Al Gore use the footage?
I believe Al would get his connection to CAGW in a heartbeat. The MSM would provide maximum coverage of the story, too.
To paraphrase “they dohn need no steenking truth”.
cn
LetsBeResonable says:
November 11, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I notice a lot of people are condemning the process of looking at global warming to the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events….
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That is because we understand it is a political fiction. A warmer planet is wetter and has less extreme weather events. It is a cooler world where the temperature gradient from the tropics to the poles is greater and the Jets go from polar (straight) to meridional (loopy) that produce the extreme weather events. link
michaelwiseguy says:
November 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm
…If you ask me, every component of Agenda 21 and in every intricate detail in all 40 chapters of it, is a blueprint for global human enslavement in a scientific and technocratic control grid…..
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And the useful idiots are saying “Please Mr. Gore, I want a slave collar too.”
Chris Tangey says:
November 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm
…. You see, no matter where you live on Earth, you can’t fool those who live on the land.
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Very True. It is the reason why the U.S. NGO, the Committee on Economic Development, decided to get rid of american farmers right after WWII link
V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian revolution knew this too.
‘ The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership.’ V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian revolution
Quote provided by Anna Fisher
Kudos to Chris Tangey for his integrity on substance and disclosing Gore’s actions and to you Anthony for maintaining a suitable platform for disseminating knowledge of apparent duplicitous efforts by Gore, et al to acquire rights to My Tangey’s work.
Scientific American, in print, abt a year ago, had an article on how the anthropotomac global warming was going to make coffee extinct – or whatever calamity.
At their site now, I cannot locate an e-version; I will have to check the paper version lining the birdcage.
Their article noted avg temp change for a growing region in, I believe, South America. I checked the actual thermometer and found it to be – you guessed it – near an airfield.
What’s more, near a mountain slope/ mountain range.
now, they have a recent story at their website that focuses on and African issue, not SA.
In the article I recall, they discussed how coffee came from Africa and has been cultivated in South America.
This points out two realities: one: we should panic because an introduced species might not fare well over the ,long term in a specific corner of the world?; two: we learned in grade school that habitat ranges vary over time, but now, to note a change of habitat range or geography indicates planetary collapse. Yeah, right.
If someone can locate this story in Sci Am before I can, please jot the date. Thanks.
Andrea’s e-mail is andrea.andreasmith@gmai.com. Mods, it’s viewable at Michelle Malkin’s web site http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/12/document-drop-al-gore-still-pestering-filmmaker-for-firestorm-footage/ so there’s really no point in redacting it.
Her CV and photo is on her Linkedin page http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=49252033&pid=33264971&authType=name&authToken=f281&trk=pbmap
A pity, as I am quite partial to redheads ;-).
Should be “gmail”; don’t know where it will go otherwise.
“The US is the only country in the world that has an active Climate Denier movement”
She is an idiot.
Not idiocy, it was deliberate jab. Comparing the backwards Americans to the progressive Australians was designed to make Mr. Tangey feel unpatriotic and out of step. Nice try, but the man can debate rings around her.
Im not a climate denier Im a OPTIMIST