It seems to me, that if you are asking for immunity up-front, you already know that
something has been done that without immunity, would land somebody in the slammer. From Fox News:
Mammoth new green climate fund wants United Nations-style diplomatic immunity, even though it’s not part of the UN
“EXCLUSIVE: The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of U.N.-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates. There’s just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations.”
Whether the fund, which was formally created at a U.N. climate conference in Durban, South Africa last December, will get all the money it wants to spend is open to question in an era of economic slowdown and fiscal austerity. Its spending goal comes atop some $30 billion in “fast start-up” money that has been pledged by U.N. member states to such climate change activities.
A 24-nation interim board of trustees for the Green Climate Fund (GCF) is slated to hold its first meeting next month in Switzerland to organize the fund’s secretariat and to get it running by November, as well as find a permanent home for the GCF’s operations. The board expects to spend about $6.7 million between now and June of next year.
But before it is fully operational, the GCF’s creators—194 countries that belong to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and who are also U.N. members—want it to be immune from legal challenges and lawsuits, not to mention outside inspections, much like the United Nations itself cannot be affected by decisions rendered by a sovereign nation’s government or judicial system.
Despite its name, the UNFCCC was informed in 2006 by the United Nations Office of Legal Affairs that it was not considered a U.N. “organ,” and therefore could not claim immunity for its subordinate bodies or personnel under the General Convention that has authorized U.N. immunity since the end of World War II.
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Just so we understand exactly what is being discussed, here are quotes directly from the United Nations. Once in place these people would not only be accorded immunity from tax and law but they would be regarded as persons entitled to special protection under international law
Sure sounds like they are setting up a “Privileged Class.” So how does THAT sit with the Marxist railings about “oppression” ?
The older more traditional convention on diplomatic relations.
Well, recycling used tires has been an issue everywhere …
Let’s just cut through the Red-tape and issue them a licence to steal. Dump the UN.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
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We are very close to crossing that line of “light and transient causes”. While the US Declaration of Independence carries no legal weight it is a powerful statement of basic principles.
The problem with the UN is that it has become mismanaged, ineffective and corrupt. The UN should be shut down, and perhaps re-built from the ground up.
The oil-for-food scandal is the tip of the UN iceberg – reportedly Kofi Annan’s son was involved as were others. In corrupt government and quasi-government bureaucracies, these big programs are often created in order to siphon off funds to “favorite sons” – the program itself is of lesser importance.
Regarding effectiveness, witness the UN’s role in Rwanda in 1994 – there were trained UN troops on the ground and Kofi Annan ignored early warnings and then ordered the troops to do nothing to stop the violence. A total of 800,000 people were slaughtered.
When you look at the 193 UN member states you start to understand the problem. How many of these are actual democracies that are worth living in?
I suggest only Canada, the USA, New Zealand, Australia, the UK and maybe a few others.
The rest of the world is either drowning in government bureaucracy like Western Europe, or controlled by tin pot armies and their dictatorial rulers.
When these corrupt countries vote at the UN, they are voting based on their value systems, and apparently they don’t have any.
William Martin says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:36 am
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.
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David, UK says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:13 am
Yeah, great idea William. Here’s a wacky idea for you: you keep the money you worked hard for, and then donate it to any charity you like. Too right-wing?
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Of course it is too right wing! How can the politicians and the bureaucrats get their slices (large) of the money and how can the politician get all the glory (and votes) with that kind of system? It is very obvious you do not understand politics.
The correct method of doing charity is of course outlined by Robbing Hood.
robbing – definition
Hood – definition
The United Nations is only following the precedence set by the long ago hero Robbing Hood.
(Do I really need the sarc off tag?)
Aussie says:
March 24, 2012 at 4:51 am
1. New South Wales
2. Queensland
3. The federal government (I mean, who still trusts that See You Next Tuesday Gillard, eh?)
Timbo says:March 24, 2012 at 3:49 am
and
Geoff Sherrington says:March 24, 2012 at 5:23 am
A synopsis of your posts:- that would be [Snip] off as we Australians are wont to say. A shortened version of our sums and research delivered as language to the [snip].
And with a :)) that’s because we are a cheery lot.
[language – blog policy ~jove, mod]
oMan says at 12:59 am:
“the predicate for getting UN immunity is that one is governed by UN systems of accountability in lieu of national ones. I think the UN systems are a bad joke, often a cover for criminal corruption or incompetence.”
Having done a stint in that realm, I can say with a smidgen of authority “Yes, that’s correct.”
The annual beneficiaries conference of that institution – which operated under U.N. authority – looked like a convocation of thugs and their toadies, with a mix of sophisticate academics from the rent-seeking class. Quite a spectacle. The corruption wasn’t necessarily there at HQ, but out in the wild where the checks are deposited and the cash is disbursed.
Meanwhile, in the USA:
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:20 am
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
I think coverage of this was missed:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/03/17/effective-world-government-will-still-be-needed-to-stave-off-climate-catastrophe/
Me too!
“please note my stunned feeling of disbelief that this could even have been proposed.”
please note my stunned disbelief at your stunned disbelief!
“Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.”
Theft, fraud, bribery, are the only true functions *left* at the United Nations.
the sooner that useless dinosaur collapses, the better off the rest of us will be.
When was the last time the UN actually did any good for the world?
Here is a document that may be useful to throw at the “settled science” crowd….
http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/sciman00.pdf/$file/sciman00.pdf
If you want to understand this better you must learn about the sinister program Agenda 21. It is the back door to implement the green dictatorship in the US and all the world. Don’t take my word about it, please look up Agenda 21 yourself. Do it for your grandchildren.
Should it be called the John Corzine Immunity Rule?
You guys are like a bunch of full-time conspiracy theorists. I can’t believe that you really think that annually handing four times the GDP of North Korea to a bunch of unelected indviduals, who exist completely outside of the law, could cause any problems at all.
Stop swinging at shadows, the bogey man isn’t real.
“Jer0me says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:27 am”
It should read;
WA ditched labor.
VIC ditched labor.
NSW ditched labor.
As of today, QLD, ditched labor in spectacular fashion.
We’ve had the farce of the more popular Rudd (KRudd747) challenging Gillard for the leadership of the ALP, and fail dramatically. Rudd then being replaced by the former NSW state Premier Bob Carr, famous for 10 years of handwaving and public announcements that went nowhere. Federal ALP and Greens are gone in 2013!
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:44 am
Gail, did you see this in the MarineCorp Times? http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/03/19/behind-the-cover-anti-obama-marines/ . I’m retired myself, and while there has always been grumbling in the ranks, this goes much, much deeper and broader. This Sgt’s blog is only the tip of the iceberg.
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I am well aware of that George.
I live near Ft. Bragg and “Do” children’s parties/church events. (3 this wkend) Many are for military personnel or churchs serving the military so I have been “Taking the pulse” so to speak on matters concerning food laws, banking, global warming and gun laws for more than a decade. Prior to 2007 people were dead asleep with no interest. The “Bank bailout” followed by economic collapse slapped them awake and now many are using the internet to become educated. I have had surprisingly knowledgable conversation from farmers, “hill billies” store clerks and Hispanic immigrants among others. I do not think the politicians are aware of just how much the “Sleeping Giant” is awakening.
I probably have a more in depth feel for the change in attitude that most commercial polling companies since I do not use surveys designed with an agenda imbedded. North Carolina votes Democratic BTW and the Triangle, Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill, which I also cover, has more Ph.D.s per capita than anywhere else in the United States. So I talk to a wide strata of individuals from black inner city churches to parties for departments at the Universities to military personnel.
Chris says [Comment trashed. ~dbs, mod.]
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/24/where-theres-a-need-for-immunity-theres-a-crime-green-climate-fund-looking-to-un-for-diplomatic-immunity-protection-from-lawsuits/#comment-933477
Wow – how did that get through moderation?
@ur momisugly Jer0me says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:30 am
Meanwhile, in the USA:
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:20 am
Perhaps these GCF vultures might be interested in the fact that gun sales are up so much in the US that gun and ammo manufacturers can’t keep up with demand. Housewives are packin’. Women have an intuitive sense of survival, and when there is a threat to the family they are the first to recognize it and deal with it in no uncertain terms.
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
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This has nothing to do with hate. It has to do with the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. Which is the Amendment that guarantee’s the others, and in case you are wondering, the US Supreme Court recently ruled that the 2nd applies to individuals, not just to organized militias. Strangely, the vast majority of law abiding citizens insist on their right to defend themselves. Apparently you do not. Your loss.
We know if there is any response from the US Congres ?Talking about useless eaters. Why do we have elections if the UN tells us what to do! Looks like a highway to hell.
rogerkni says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:35 am
Sparks says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:08 am
Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!
Me too!
A knighthood for WUWT reader rogerkni, arise sir rogerkni, (you cant be King of Earth I have dibs)
You might want to have a boo at these:
http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/greens-warning-history-volume-one
http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/greens-warning-history-volume-two
At the time, the gentry and nobility had the legal and enforced right to take as much of a peasant’s money and goods as desired. And used it “liberally”. It was long before the time that “the rich” lifted a finger to earn their wealth.