It seems to me, that if you are asking for immunity up-front, you already know that
something has been done that without immunity, would land somebody in the slammer. From Fox News:
Mammoth new green climate fund wants United Nations-style diplomatic immunity, even though it’s not part of the UN
“EXCLUSIVE: The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of U.N.-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates. There’s just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations.”
Whether the fund, which was formally created at a U.N. climate conference in Durban, South Africa last December, will get all the money it wants to spend is open to question in an era of economic slowdown and fiscal austerity. Its spending goal comes atop some $30 billion in “fast start-up” money that has been pledged by U.N. member states to such climate change activities.
A 24-nation interim board of trustees for the Green Climate Fund (GCF) is slated to hold its first meeting next month in Switzerland to organize the fund’s secretariat and to get it running by November, as well as find a permanent home for the GCF’s operations. The board expects to spend about $6.7 million between now and June of next year.
But before it is fully operational, the GCF’s creators—194 countries that belong to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and who are also U.N. members—want it to be immune from legal challenges and lawsuits, not to mention outside inspections, much like the United Nations itself cannot be affected by decisions rendered by a sovereign nation’s government or judicial system.
Despite its name, the UNFCCC was informed in 2006 by the United Nations Office of Legal Affairs that it was not considered a U.N. “organ,” and therefore could not claim immunity for its subordinate bodies or personnel under the General Convention that has authorized U.N. immunity since the end of World War II.
The UN has no laws against what most people would consider crimes.
Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.
Green activists, known for their high moral standing, getting diplomatic immunity??
Be afraid, very afraid….
Question: Does this mean they can sabotage or damage a coal fired power station (like Greenpiss did at the UK King North Power station for instance) and not be prosecuted?
whose/which are the allegedly corrupt dictatorships/oligarchs/’democracies’ in the UN ?
what alleged crimes have they committed ?
I believe that access to green climate funds is dependant on acceptance of immunity provisions, a kind of bribe.
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.
The UN is what the best white collar criminals aspire to.
We need to get as many nations as possible to resign from that wretched pit of humanity.
UNFCCC should stand for Useless Nefarious Fu!?ing Climate Criminals Conundrum
I write my representatives on a regular basis pressing for US resignation from that criminal money pit…
What are they worried about? They can always claim:
“I was only following orders.”
Makes you wonder what they have planned if they think they need immunity from any and all legal processes.
Sounds a lot like a criminal trying to set up a plea bargain before he tells you anything useful.
Larry
Dirty little secret. Let’s hope this gets a lot of attention. On the other hand, the attention is vulnerable to misdirection. The article itself exemplifies the usual sleight of mind, by saying this fund was set up by 194 countries, as if the entire world was already lined up behind the fund, its mission and its need to work around those pesky details like real people being immunized from real accountability for real acts that would be crimes under real laws that everyone else must obey. That characterization obscures the fact that there was no vote by 194 countries, no agreement by 194 countries to waive their core police powers and grant this band of gypsies a worldwide get-out-of-jail card. What an incredible scam this is shaping up to be. Consider that the predicate for getting UN immunity is that one is governed by UN systems of accountability in lieu of national ones. I think the UN systems are a bad joke, often a cover for criminal corruption or incompetence. But at least they’re a system. If this crew gets the UN immunity, will they be covered by UN accountability? Or will they just cash these checks and do as they please? If the latter, save me a place, I want some of that action.
When you can’t get your scam past the UN itself, you know you’re over the line …
w.
Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!
Looks like Australia is waking up.. finally. Although they don’t mention it (but Abbot does) one of the main reasons is the Carbon Tax. Gillard will also decimate her party in The Federal election.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-election-2012-campbell-newman-anna-bligh-poll-march-24/story-fnbt5t29-1226308814170
The issue is not only diplomatic immunity such that the local countries cannot lay criminal charges against individuals working for the entity but rather a complete lack of the local government’s right to investigate and oversee the expenditures which is a natural consequence of taxation without representation.
Trillions of dollars of carbon taxes are being proposed to fund these “United Nations” entities. How much say does the American taxpayer or the UK taxpayer have concerning UN expenditures and policy?
Money is power. The carbon tax is a tax. The “green tax”, is proposed to be transferred to these UN entities which can then us the “green tax” to create local political support by spreading the benefits of the scams. (Scams require a hook.)
Humans are not robots. Oversight is required to prevent corruption. Have governments every had a problem with corruption?
In this case the solution is simple. Zero Western “green taxes” provided to the UN and any UN entities.
It appears however we need to speak up. For some unexplained reason our government is proposing a green tax which will be transferred to UN entities.
Silence is consent. Democracy only protects if people are informed and get involved.
“According to an official of the U.S. Treasury, which strongly supports the existence of the GCF, the full extent of the immunities still remains to be worked out by the fund board, although the wording of various UNFCCC resolutions indicate that immunities like those held by the U.N. are clearly envisaged.
Even beyond the U.N., immunities from outside inspection and legal action have become a hallmark of international organizations, whose members often consider them a necessity to keep their operations, and their officials, from facing harassment in national courts. Among others, the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria (GFATM), an organization initially sparked by Bill Gates, has been granted such immunities under U.S. law, according to the International Organizations Immunities Act. The World Bank, among other development finance institutions, also enjoys immunities.
Critics of such immunities, on the other hand, say that they are a barrier to proper external oversight of vast amounts of international spending, a potential facilitator of corruption, and a dangerous weapon against the protection of property rights and other civil rights of those affected by the institutions’ actions.
“Immunities amount to a veil of secrecy,” says Bea Edwards, executive director of the Government Accountability Project, a Washington-based whistleblower protection organization.
“They are an immunity from external audit or oversight. They build in a structural conflict of interest at any immune institution for any internal oversight mechanism.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/22/mammoth-new-green-climate-fund-wants-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-even-though/#ixzz1q1GfTYeW
Un-fricking-believable. These bozos actually think that they should be above the law? They want carte blanche to do anything that they want? What’s next concentration camps for Deniers?
[snip]
$100 Billion sloshing around, no democratic control and legal immunity – what could possibly go wrong?
It really is time our “representatives” were forced to publicly justify everything that they have signed their populations up to.
So….I wonder if the UN immune from prosecution of Crimes Against Humanity?……. I suppose it probably is. Wow, that’d be rich.
Environmentalists, the fourth Reich.
Let’s face it they probably know what they are going to do to the citizens of poor countries. They will be hunted from their land, slaughtered by local militia, all to appease Gaia. Think Papua New Guinea on a globalized scale. Why wouldn’t they seek diplomatic immunity for crimes against humanity in advance? The modern rent-seeking environmentalist motto is “Dying to save you”.
We are in desperation territory here. As the world realises it has spent the farm and is in serious debt the fuzzy feel good stuff is shifted to the backburner prior being given to the cat. For those of you who don’t believe in a superior being just think how convenient it is that just when the greenies started getting going the wheels fall off. Here in Aus the Queensland warmist party are being slaughtered at the polls and the guy taking over wants to bin the green schemes to save money. How nice is that?????
unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who don’t pay taxes but devise taxes for others to pay…. now why would that be a bad idea? What could possibly go wrong?
You can do a lot of damage with $100bn/yr. IIRC, most of it is slated for carbon-compensation ‘rentals’ to worthy victims of hypothetical damage from undetectable negative consequences of speculative human contributions to retro-temporal interactions of atmospheric and ocean temperatures and the trace gas CO2. Moral hazard, anyone?
I want to make it unequivocally clear to everyone that I am prepared to make the grand sacrifice and become a senior advisor and/or executive of this fund, I have all the right qualifications:
1. I have a couple of degrees and lots of experience in stuff,
2. I am prepared to accept a large untaxable salary,
3. I am prepared to work up to three days per month,
4. I am prepared to travel, as long as its always first class and 5 star hotels,
5. I am prepared to occasionally read stuff,
6. I am sufficiently well informed about ‘climate science’ to mislead the public and politicians by lying convincingly about the facts, just like the other leaders of this industry.
7. I have several suits, which I can wear when required.
8. I can say the word ‘denier’, while simultaneously contorting my face with supposed disgust.
9. I enjoy good food and drink.
10. I can grow a beard, if required.
Patchy have I forgotten anything? Perhaps you can help, you are a master at this sort of thing.
Sparks says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:08 am
Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!
I now appoint you king of the Earth. That will be £1,000,000,000 please.
[SNIP: Too much like a political endorsement and not directly related to the thread. Sorry. -REP]
The intention seems to be to avoid RICO-like prosecutions where cross-border activities like incitement and funded attacks on person or property would normally attract criminal charges.
The funding would also be re-directable without consequence. Thus audits would report that expenses were correctly recorded but there would be no consequences for not spending it on the allocated line items.
Read the Copenhagen Agreement to see the overall plan for the $100 Billion.
It ought to be unbelievable, under any reasonable definition of civilisation, that anybody would try this on. That it’s not only believable but actually happening says a lot about the state of international politics today, and none of it favourable.
The way this is portrayed means that it can even be a front for the greatest drugs operation the world has ever seen and nothing could be done about it.
Aside from this there is the now near certainty that soon climate science will have to face up to responsibility for the fraudulent claims of the “proven” nature of the science and damages for the cash wasted on CO2 controls and research.
No climate science based operation should be given this protection from paying damages for its mistakes and even more so for deliberately encouraging criminal damage to installations based on their own AGW religion’s views.
Patchy has responded to my last post, he advises:
1. Set up your own foundation or trust on climate in which to funnel money/donations/grants from this new green fund.
2. Make sure this foundation is located in a large and beautiful area where you can enjoy peace and tranquillity. Also, as your work is so important have the foundation build a golf course, a mansion, a swimming pool, or maybe two of each – diversity helps your karma.
3. Dye your black hat white.
4. Keep your nose squeaky clean by funnelling all your family’s expenses through the foundation and never debate your science or postion with anyone who is not friendly.
Thanks Patchy
Kelvin Vaughan says:
March 24, 2012 at 2:33 am
As the Newly appointed King of Earth I hereby declare that the right honorable reader at WUWT Kelvin Vaughan receive a gift from the planetary crown of £1,000,000,000 for the swift and speedy anointment of the worlds new king.
All hail king Sparks.
Given the UN is above any law, why do they need money since they can do anything they like- make people work for free……
Sounds like an attempt to bring in the one world govt, complete fascism, dictatorship on a global scale. The sooner true conservative govts get elected in and walk away from the useless nations the better, tell them to get stuffed, ban all their “officials” from entering the country on pain of arrest and permanent jail time and let the useless nations fall over from lack of democratic support. let them all crawl back to their “nomadic, hunter gatherer” level of society.
The only outcome of this would be gulags, murder gangs, mass poverty, disease, death and distruction and they would tell us how sucessful they have been about making the world green.
wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.
The diplomatic immunity is needed to implement to coalesce the UN Rights Agendas and local government ‘grass roots’ fiscal and operational work such as Agenda 21, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) and other such global linking schemes.
http://www.iclei.org/
While actual employee numbers are low, the consultancies given by local and state governments and NGOs to individuals and academia delivers a vast network who support the ‘sustainability’ and anti-development ideologies of Agenda 21 and ICLEI. These organisations are also united by their use of common manuals and operational methods.
They use ‘public health education and research’ based on risk [specifically tobacco, alcohol, nutrition, fitness and environmental-related diseases attributed to mining and resources), adult education and ‘certified training’ in the public service work places to further their ideologies and need for local data collections. Their ‘risk’ approach differs little from the anthropogenic climate warmists approach. Their plans seek also to subvert the Constitutions.
Published today: Bob Brown’s UN vision for greening the world
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-browns-un-vision-for-greening-the-world/story-fn59niix-1226308713373
source: The Australian (our national newspaper in Australia)
“We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram”
Dictators are always above the law.
Remember the UN’s Oil-4-Food bribery scandal? $Billions in oil vouchers were handed out to heads of state and other influential VIPs, and of course numerous UN officials received vouchers. Those vouchers entitled the holders to purchase oil in million barrel lots. They didn’t even have to buy oil; the vouchers were worth the difference between their face value and the world spot price. A market sprang up overnight to trade the vouchers, which were handed out on the pretence of providing food for poor Iraqis. In just one year more than $10 billion in vouchers were funneled through the UN and handed out to favored recipients.
In a hilarious straight-faced statement, UN chief Kofi Annan told Meet the Press that “any U.N. staff member found to have participated in corruption will be dealt with severely. Their privileges and immunities will be lifted so that, if necessary, they will be brought before the court of law and dealt with, in addition to being dismissed.” Heh. Kofi Annan’s son was one of the voucher recipients.
That is only one example of what goes on continually in the UN. There is rampant corruption among the UN’s legion of kleptocrats, who are immune from prosecution and civil suits. Millions of dollars in parking tickets are simply ripped up by UN scofflaws in NY City. UN salaries, paid largely by the taxes of U.S. citizens, are tax-free. As for transparency and accountability, there is none. The UN has always rejected calls for an outside audit of its finances.
Now this new group wants free rein to do whatever they want with our money, even when it consists of criminal activity. It’s not too soon to call or email your Congressmann and Senators to demand accountability for the use of our taxes:
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.contactingthecongress.org
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm
Please note my endorsement of all comments here which condemn this shocking move — and also please note my stunned feeling of disbelief that this could even have been proposed.
Philip Bradley says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:27 am
The UN has no laws against what most people would consider crimes.
Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.
C’mon folks, you know that everyone is equal but some are more equal than others. What’s the problem? (written with hopes of getting a paid position in the GCF including travel benefits to exotic places around the world enjoying excellent food, drink, women and cigars.)
Given this Frankenstein was assembled in SA, would be nice to create a SA style garland, from days of yore, for each of its upper management. Then their need for diplomatic immunity would not be necessary.
Well labor has been trounced historically in queensland theyve ended up with 6 seats, they are not even considered a representative political party anymore…Thius will happen at the federal election as well bye bye carbon tax. The same will happen in the USA with Romney fortunately he is not a cretin and hopefully some of the major republicans Infohe ect will get his ear LOL
Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
“wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? ”
Help me on this Robert, questioning the need for immunity from the law of climate funding is conspiracy thinking?
Lawrie Ayres says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:50 am
We are in desperation territory here. As the world realises it has spent the farm and is in serious debt the fuzzy feel good stuff is shifted to the backburner prior being given to the cat. For those of you who don’t believe in a superior being just think how convenient it is that just when the greenies started getting going the wheels fall off. Here in Aus the Queensland warmist party are being slaughtered at the polls and the guy taking over wants to bin the green schemes to save money. How nice is that?????
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as a fellow Aussie..
VERY NICE;-)
by the time the fed election hits it will hardly be worth printing the ballots, foregone conclusion.
and she knows it and thats why the tooth and nail to avoid any earlier voting.
Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.
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You are not a conspiracy theorist if they are really out to get you.
Given that every retired member of the military, CIA,FBI and Secret Service is now on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list, according to a friend who just retired from the Secret Service, I would not be surprised if that blacklist is growing by leaps and bounds.
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
Immunity should never be applied with a broad brush.
Aussie says:
March 24, 2012 at 4:51 am
“Well labor has been trounced historically in queensland theyve ended up with 6 seats, they are not even considered a representative political party anymore…”
well deserved. Looking like they did not understood that they were getting a good payed job to serve the people not to rule.
William Martin says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:36 am
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.
Yeah, great idea William. Here’s a wacky idea for you: you keep the money you worked hard for, and then donate it to any charity you like. Too right-wing?
Perhaps these GCF vultures might be interested in the fact that gun sales are up so much in the US that gun and ammo manufacturers can’t keep up with demand. Housewives are packin’. Women have an intuitive sense of survival, and when there is a threat to the family they are the first to recognize it and deal with it in no uncertain terms. Don’t get between a mother and her cubs. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gun-sales-off-to-bang-for-election-year/ .
Meanwhile, if you write sophisticated and deeply meaningful emails to the IPCC, they seem to have a short attention span, a blackout of convenience or just a shambolic office.
I did not learn anything of substance from the following exchange with the IPCC, Jan 2012:
http://www.geoffstuff.com/IPCC%20Guff.doc
The day was not wasted. I learned that “Eleven plus Two” is an anagram for “Twelve plus One.”
Fiddle, fiddle; burn, burn.
Jessie says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:39 am ……..:Published today: Bob Brown’s UN vision for greening the world
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-browns-un-vision-for-greening-the-world/story-fn59niix-1226308713373
source: The Australian (our national newspaper in Australia)
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makes one cringe to read it.
bob ..termite brown
glove puppet
[snip -over the top – Anthony]
Agenda 21, Green climate fund, Sustainable development.
Gro Harlem Brundtland, the Stoltenberg family – Rockefeller Foundation. Bilderberg. Club de Madrid.
http://www.clubmadrid.org/en/miembro/gro_harlem_brundtland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
http://i26.tinypic.com/98y1di.jpg
The last link showes “Folkehelseinstituttet” = Peoples Helth care institute. The Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenbergs sister:
“Deputy Director-General Camilla Stoltenberg is leading the ”Dagens Helsetall” project (Health Statistics Today) which will modernise the central health registers at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health. The institute is also working with other institutions that maintain registers to improve the general standard in Norway.”
http://www.fhi.no/eway/default.aspx?pid=238&trg=MainArea_5811&MainArea_5811=5884:0:15,3893:1:0:0:::0:0
Jens Stoltenberg & BIll Gates:
http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/smk/press-center/Press-releases/2011/bill-gates-to-visit-prime-minister-jens-.html?id=643472
@ Gail Combs says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:08 am
Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.
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You are not a conspiracy theorist if they are really out to get you.
Given that every retired member of the military, CIA,FBI and Secret Service is now on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list, according to a friend who just retired from the Secret Service, I would not be surprised if that blacklist is growing by leaps and bounds.
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Gail, did you see this in the MarineCorp Times? http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/03/19/behind-the-cover-anti-obama-marines/ . I’m retired myself, and while there has always been grumbling in the ranks, this goes much, much deeper and broader. This Sgt’s blog is only the tip of the iceberg.
Just so we understand exactly what is being discussed, here are quotes directly from the United Nations. Once in place these people would not only be accorded immunity from tax and law but they would be regarded as persons entitled to special protection under international law
Sure sounds like they are setting up a “Privileged Class.” So how does THAT sit with the Marxist railings about “oppression” ?
The older more traditional convention on diplomatic relations.
Well, recycling used tires has been an issue everywhere …
Let’s just cut through the Red-tape and issue them a licence to steal. Dump the UN.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
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We are very close to crossing that line of “light and transient causes”. While the US Declaration of Independence carries no legal weight it is a powerful statement of basic principles.
The problem with the UN is that it has become mismanaged, ineffective and corrupt. The UN should be shut down, and perhaps re-built from the ground up.
The oil-for-food scandal is the tip of the UN iceberg – reportedly Kofi Annan’s son was involved as were others. In corrupt government and quasi-government bureaucracies, these big programs are often created in order to siphon off funds to “favorite sons” – the program itself is of lesser importance.
Regarding effectiveness, witness the UN’s role in Rwanda in 1994 – there were trained UN troops on the ground and Kofi Annan ignored early warnings and then ordered the troops to do nothing to stop the violence. A total of 800,000 people were slaughtered.
When you look at the 193 UN member states you start to understand the problem. How many of these are actual democracies that are worth living in?
I suggest only Canada, the USA, New Zealand, Australia, the UK and maybe a few others.
The rest of the world is either drowning in government bureaucracy like Western Europe, or controlled by tin pot armies and their dictatorial rulers.
When these corrupt countries vote at the UN, they are voting based on their value systems, and apparently they don’t have any.
William Martin says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:36 am
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.
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David, UK says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:13 am
Yeah, great idea William. Here’s a wacky idea for you: you keep the money you worked hard for, and then donate it to any charity you like. Too right-wing?
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Of course it is too right wing! How can the politicians and the bureaucrats get their slices (large) of the money and how can the politician get all the glory (and votes) with that kind of system? It is very obvious you do not understand politics.
The correct method of doing charity is of course outlined by Robbing Hood.
robbing – definition
Hood – definition
The United Nations is only following the precedence set by the long ago hero Robbing Hood.
(Do I really need the sarc off tag?)
Aussie says:
March 24, 2012 at 4:51 am
1. New South Wales
2. Queensland
3. The federal government (I mean, who still trusts that See You Next Tuesday Gillard, eh?)
Timbo says:March 24, 2012 at 3:49 am
and
Geoff Sherrington says:March 24, 2012 at 5:23 am
A synopsis of your posts:- that would be [Snip] off as we Australians are wont to say. A shortened version of our sums and research delivered as language to the [snip].
And with a :)) that’s because we are a cheery lot.
[language – blog policy ~jove, mod]
oMan says at 12:59 am:
“the predicate for getting UN immunity is that one is governed by UN systems of accountability in lieu of national ones. I think the UN systems are a bad joke, often a cover for criminal corruption or incompetence.”
Having done a stint in that realm, I can say with a smidgen of authority “Yes, that’s correct.”
The annual beneficiaries conference of that institution – which operated under U.N. authority – looked like a convocation of thugs and their toadies, with a mix of sophisticate academics from the rent-seeking class. Quite a spectacle. The corruption wasn’t necessarily there at HQ, but out in the wild where the checks are deposited and the cash is disbursed.
Meanwhile, in the USA:
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:20 am
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
I think coverage of this was missed:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/03/17/effective-world-government-will-still-be-needed-to-stave-off-climate-catastrophe/
Me too!
“please note my stunned feeling of disbelief that this could even have been proposed.”
please note my stunned disbelief at your stunned disbelief!
“Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.”
Theft, fraud, bribery, are the only true functions *left* at the United Nations.
the sooner that useless dinosaur collapses, the better off the rest of us will be.
When was the last time the UN actually did any good for the world?
Here is a document that may be useful to throw at the “settled science” crowd….
http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/sciman00.pdf/$file/sciman00.pdf
If you want to understand this better you must learn about the sinister program Agenda 21. It is the back door to implement the green dictatorship in the US and all the world. Don’t take my word about it, please look up Agenda 21 yourself. Do it for your grandchildren.
Should it be called the John Corzine Immunity Rule?
You guys are like a bunch of full-time conspiracy theorists. I can’t believe that you really think that annually handing four times the GDP of North Korea to a bunch of unelected indviduals, who exist completely outside of the law, could cause any problems at all.
Stop swinging at shadows, the bogey man isn’t real.
“Jer0me says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:27 am”
It should read;
WA ditched labor.
VIC ditched labor.
NSW ditched labor.
As of today, QLD, ditched labor in spectacular fashion.
We’ve had the farce of the more popular Rudd (KRudd747) challenging Gillard for the leadership of the ALP, and fail dramatically. Rudd then being replaced by the former NSW state Premier Bob Carr, famous for 10 years of handwaving and public announcements that went nowhere. Federal ALP and Greens are gone in 2013!
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:44 am
Gail, did you see this in the MarineCorp Times? http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/03/19/behind-the-cover-anti-obama-marines/ . I’m retired myself, and while there has always been grumbling in the ranks, this goes much, much deeper and broader. This Sgt’s blog is only the tip of the iceberg.
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I am well aware of that George.
I live near Ft. Bragg and “Do” children’s parties/church events. (3 this wkend) Many are for military personnel or churchs serving the military so I have been “Taking the pulse” so to speak on matters concerning food laws, banking, global warming and gun laws for more than a decade. Prior to 2007 people were dead asleep with no interest. The “Bank bailout” followed by economic collapse slapped them awake and now many are using the internet to become educated. I have had surprisingly knowledgable conversation from farmers, “hill billies” store clerks and Hispanic immigrants among others. I do not think the politicians are aware of just how much the “Sleeping Giant” is awakening.
I probably have a more in depth feel for the change in attitude that most commercial polling companies since I do not use surveys designed with an agenda imbedded. North Carolina votes Democratic BTW and the Triangle, Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill, which I also cover, has more Ph.D.s per capita than anywhere else in the United States. So I talk to a wide strata of individuals from black inner city churches to parties for departments at the Universities to military personnel.
Chris says [Comment trashed. ~dbs, mod.]
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/24/where-theres-a-need-for-immunity-theres-a-crime-green-climate-fund-looking-to-un-for-diplomatic-immunity-protection-from-lawsuits/#comment-933477
Wow – how did that get through moderation?
@ Jer0me says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:30 am
Meanwhile, in the USA:
Curiousgeorge says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:20 am
Perhaps these GCF vultures might be interested in the fact that gun sales are up so much in the US that gun and ammo manufacturers can’t keep up with demand. Housewives are packin’. Women have an intuitive sense of survival, and when there is a threat to the family they are the first to recognize it and deal with it in no uncertain terms.
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
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This has nothing to do with hate. It has to do with the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. Which is the Amendment that guarantee’s the others, and in case you are wondering, the US Supreme Court recently ruled that the 2nd applies to individuals, not just to organized militias. Strangely, the vast majority of law abiding citizens insist on their right to defend themselves. Apparently you do not. Your loss.
We know if there is any response from the US Congres ?Talking about useless eaters. Why do we have elections if the UN tells us what to do! Looks like a highway to hell.
rogerkni says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:35 am
Sparks says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:08 am
Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!
Me too!
A knighthood for WUWT reader rogerkni, arise sir rogerkni, (you cant be King of Earth I have dibs)
You might want to have a boo at these:
http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/greens-warning-history-volume-one
http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/greens-warning-history-volume-two
At the time, the gentry and nobility had the legal and enforced right to take as much of a peasant’s money and goods as desired. And used it “liberally”. It was long before the time that “the rich” lifted a finger to earn their wealth.
And some people wonder why there is a burning need for the UN to work to outlaw private ownership of weapons… RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
/sarc
No worries – Peter Gleick will probably be in charge of the ethics committee of this new UN body?
For Peter Miller:
To qualify you also have to like to ride in limosines at conferences and engage the services of hookers in the meeting cities.
In seriousness, I do not believe in conspiracies but the AGW game is beginning to smell like rotting fish. I suspect that the words, “as much as $100 billion a year” are simply to obtain immunity for current Non-Denier activities such those engaged in by Hansen, Mann, Gleick et al. The GCF funding could only be $1 million per year; that’s much less than $100 billion per year.
Money laundering just found a new laundromat
Bribes and corrupt poilticians are only the faclitator.
Accountability and transparency. How ’bout we try those first.
The extent of the corruption and absolute waste of public funds current and proposed is staggering.
I would highly recommend Patrick Michaels’ book “Climate Coup” which outlines the legislative efforts to turn the US into Spain or Greece. Spending trillions of “green tax” dollars on “green” scams will not lower CO2 emissions. There is no global warming crisis. The crisis is how to stop Western governments from committing AGW economic hari-kari.
http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Coup-Warmings-Invasion-Government/dp/1935308440
Richard Lindzen,
“It has long been observed that global warming offers opportunities for a huge number of interests to exploit and that the eagerness to exploit the issue has led to a remarkable corruption of institutions – public, private, and academic. In a set of cogent and well-written contributions, Climate Coup documents what is happening intelligently and in depth. There is no need for indignation in the contributions: the situation speaks for itself. One can only hope that the ordinary citizens of both the developed and developing worlds, who are the primary victims of all the Canute-like efforts to control climate, will take notice.”
This is a succinct explanation of why the extreme AGW science is based on a lie.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/02/09/understanding-the-global-warming-debate/
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/warrenmeyer/files/2012/02/gw1.gif
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/warrenmeyer/files/2012/02/15yr-temps.gif
“The problem for global warming supporters is they actually need for past warming from CO2 to be higher than 0.7C. If the IPCC is correct that based on their high-feedback models we should expect to see 3C of warming per doubling of CO2, looking backwards this means we should already have seen about 1.5C of CO2-driven warming based on past CO2 increases. But no matter how uncertain our measurements, it’s clear we have seen nothing like this kind of temperature rise. Past warming has in fact been more consistent with low or even negative feedback assumptions.”
What’s the problem? Diplomatic immunity from all prosecution and control of billion of dollars by unelected officials with no accountability. After all, the UN and its affiliated organization have such a great track record. You “haters” are to stupid to realize it’s all for our own good. /SARC off
Jer0me says: @ March 24, 2012 at 6:30 am
Meanwhile, in the USA: Curiousgeorge says….
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
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Jer0me get your head out of the sand and start connecting the dots.
People like George believe in HAVING GUNS so we do not need to USE the guns.
It is so politicians KNOW there is a limit to their power and a limit to how much they can steal from people. That was the whole purpose of the Second Amendment and the reason it is now under attack. It is darn hard to be a dictator and implement a totalitarian government over an armed population whose armed forces owes allegiance to a piece of paper and not the Head of State.
Pay attention: Study Finds That Having Power Can Make You Stupid
GUNS in the hands of the general population limits the feeling of power and hopefully limits the number of bad decisions.
If you need more convincing look at DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: 20th Century Democide figure 1.3 shows deaths in millions by country ~ figure 1.3 graph
Besides the USA is not the WILD WEST of movies.
The USA does have gun laws. A convicted felon can not purchase a gun and possession is a crime carrying severe penalties.
Criminals scurrying over to the UN for “protection”? Considering the UN’s “stellar” history, this isn’t surprising at all. (And we wonder why reports from the IPCC are worth less than the paper they’re printed on?)
Believe it or not, I’ve seen worse get through, and had to complain about it in boldface Hey, MODS, listen up!
More on the UN;
http://drtimball.com/2012/sensationalist-and-distorted-climate-stories-increase-as-climate-science-failures-exposed/
Anthony,
You may want to refer to Jo Nova’s latest post about the results of a state election down under.
Now for all of you nice people from the USA who may not think state elections are that big a deal if you do not live in that state, please remember that we only have 6 states and 2 territories, not 50 like you guys. We just had an election in Queensland, one of our most economically important states, especially for mineral wealth representing about a quarter of the population. Before the election the Labour (think Democrat) held a small majority in the 89 seat Lower House (House of Representatives).
With over 70% of the vote counted, the results are;
Liberal / National Party coalition (think Republicans – sort of) – 78 seats
Labour (think Democrat) – 7 seats
KAP (new party – think TEA party with less logic and more strangeness) – 2 seats
Independents – 2 seats.
A mini-van will have more seats than the previously incumbent Labour party in the new parliament.
I have one word for this … OUCH!
Louise says:
March 24, 2012 at 7:46 am
“Chris says: [ … ]”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/24/where-theres-a-need-for-immunity-theres-a-crime-green-climate-fund-looking-to-un-for-diplomatic-immunity-protection-from-lawsuits/#comment-933477
Wow – how did that get through moderation?”
Looks like a moby.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moby
[Comment deleted. ~dbs, mod.]
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-election-2012-campbell-newman-anna-bligh-poll-march-24/story-fnbt5t29-1226308814170
I like this:
8.38PM: A merciless Bob Katter had some harsh words for Anna Bligh tonight, following her defeat at the polls.
“Did you really think people would vote for you?” he said.
“Congratulations Anna – you saved the trees but the people well and truly cut you down.”
And it’s too bad that American politicians & public can’t be more like the following instead of being distracted by personal hot button issues that have little effect on the nation as a whole:
When asked about gay marriage, Mr Katter said: “We’re talking about serious issues.”
This is a movement that is not only unwilling to police itself (See Gleick affair and response) they actually laud their will-identified criminal elements and celebrate the violations. Now they seek immunity from external control. This unrepentant movement needs defunding and a stay order against the leadership and financial supporters to never again participate in climate matters. Start at the universities.
The scam that is climate change “science” is growing out of control and clearly has little to do with the climate.
Brian H says:
March 24, 2012 at 8:04 am
Gail Combs says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:25 am
The United Nations is only following the precedence set by the long ago hero Robbing Hood.
(Do I really need the sarc off tag?)
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At the time, the gentry and nobility had the legal and enforced right to take as much of a peasant’s money and goods as desired. And used it “liberally”. It was long before the time that “the rich” lifted a finger to earn their wealth.
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Brian, I have been calling this “agenda” Neofeudalism” for years. This just brings it out in the open for all to see. 1/6 of the US budget is PENSIONS! Laws such as the new Health Care law do not apply to Congress. Do we need any more evidence that a new “Aristocracy” is being set up? All you have to do as look at how laws that apply to you and me do not apply to Congress and even if we managed to drag them into court they mostly skate.
I’m about to babble on about the rule of law. Keep hydration handy please, pref blue gatorade.
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Patrick Davis says:
March 24, 2012 at 7:18 am
“Jer0me says:
March 24, 2012 at 6:27 am”
It should read;
WA ditched labor.
VIC ditched labor.
NSW ditched labor.
As of today, QLD, ditched labor in spectacular fashion.
We’ve had the farce of the more popular Rudd (KRudd747) challenging Gillard for the leadership of the ALP, and fail dramatically. Rudd then being replaced by the former NSW state Premier Bob Carr, famous for 10 years of handwaving and public announcements that went nowhere. Federal ALP and Greens are gone in 2013!
There is an air of desperation to get all the pieces in place before the end of 2012.
Let’s hope that 2013 is not too late.
The worst part of this is it will set a precedent for giving ALL NGOs approved by the UN diplomatic privileges. Can you imagine PETA or Greenpeace with that kind of immunity?
This is OT, but not sure where else to post it.
Dr. Tim Ball is scheduled to be the guest on the radio program “Coast to Coast AM” tonight, starting at 10:00 PM Pacific Time (1:00 AM Eastern time tomorrow morning).
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Sat 03-24
Joining John B. Wells, retired professor of climatology Dr. Tim Ball will discuss how issues like climate change, North American water resources, and biodiesel are being politicized and exploited, as well as undermining scientific objectivity.
Website(s):
•drtimball.com
…I suppose giving tons of money to Obama’s campaign would be considered mobilizing as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases
@ Gail Combs says (March 24, 2012 at 6:25 am)
Why would you say all that (quite rightly) and then end by implying it was all sarcasm?
Ecofascists seeking free reins …
They obviously learned from the Neurenburg trials.
old news
H/T
Larry Ledwick (hotrod ) says:
March 22, 2012 at 11:56 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/tips-and-notes/
Ed Kal says:
Dr. Tim Ball is scheduled to be the guest on the radio program “Coast to Coast AM” tonight, starting at 10:00 PM Pacific Time
Great
thanks Ed Kal
Gail Combs says:
March 24, 2012 at 8:34 am
“Besides the USA is not the WILD WEST of movies.”
Myth: The Wild West | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://youtu.be/Rf2Escui9ig
And while were at it, lets give it legal standing to sue, but immunity from counter-suit, like the EPA claimed recently. Better yet, we can sh*t can the Constitution and just let the UN decide things for us.
Moderators and Anthony,
I suggest certain comments in this thread are “over the line” regarding violence.
When you have snipped these offensive comments, please delete my post as well.
Thank you, Allan
[REPLY: Thank you Alan. Sometimes stuff gets through. -REP]
@Gail Combs says:
March 24, 2012 at 8:34 am
Jer0me says: @ March 24, 2012 at 6:30 am
Meanwhile, in the USA: Curiousgeorge says….
I am so glad I live in a country that restricts guns. I know hater are gonna hate, but them’s the facts.
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Jer0me get your head out of the sand and start connecting the dots.
People like George believe in HAVING GUNS so we do not need to USE the guns.
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In a nutshell, We The People, are the ones who whisper in Caeser’s ear: “Momento mori” . Which is the intent of our founding documents, along with the means to enforce it; legally, legislatively, and otherwise.
It would allow them to pay anyone, including themselves, any amount of slush money anytime, anywhere. Crooks the lot of them.
[SNIP: Over the top. Let’s just say no one is above the law. -REP]
“wattsupwiththat.com. Well worth a visit”
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/22/peter-foster-suzuki-vs-the-senate-whos-silencing-whom/
Letter to the editor:
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/23/fp-letters-to-the-editor-rural-ontario-to-protest-wind-projects/
Suzuki science
Subject: Re: Peter Foster: Suzuki vs. the Senate — who’s silencing whom?
I read with much satisfaction, your piece today regarding who I contend (and I will attempt to be charitable here) to be a misguided former drosophila investigator. If you check PubMed (national Library of Congress for all scientific publications) you will note Dr. Suzuki’s publication record consists largely of editorials and opinion letters.
There is of course a large amount of data contravening the anthropomorphic global warming theory. For any scientist to use words such as “denial” with respect to these matters of scientific investigation is to flagrantly violate one of the most sacrosanct principles of science-blind and unbiased investigation.
Dr. Suzuki has over and over demonstrated that he is incapable of dispassionately addressing such important issues as climate science. He is also uniquely unqualified in the area.
Your pieces do an important service to the public by demonstrating what I think are “abusive” and misleading statements by people like David Suzuki; people who are uninterested in science and preoccupied by politics and feather-bedding his (largely) taxpayer-supported existence.
Such soap-box politics masquerading as science may fool those not trained in scientific investigation, but there are many of us who see this man for who he really is: a shill for the left-wing ideology of social engineering and redistribution of wealth. There is meagre meat on the scientific bone of Dr. Suzuki, but much innuendo, half-truth and much outright fatty untruths.
W. Mark Erwin DC, PhD, CCRF Professorship in Disc Biology, University of Toronto
I would suggest Zimbabwe as the HQ. That would supply them will all the money they would want. Couch cushions are gold mines baby!!
So, if they are granted immunity, does that mean they can manufacture fake Heartland memos, publish fake temperature data, and create fake hockey sticks without any worries of prosecution? I guess it will be business as usual then.
the key concepts that jump out to me in the comments of this post are ‘conspiracy’ and ‘free speech’.
having been snipped earlier for political endorsement, I will attempt to be more circumspect.
in tackling the topic of UN immunity, and it’s extension to the green climate fund, we are discussing a much larger problem than the piddling efforts of peter gleick or the stooge aka michael mann. denigrating the likes of mann is fairly safe, compared with trying to dump the UN, or eliminate the corruption endemic in it’s member ‘nations’.
last night I asked,
“whose/which are the allegedly corrupt dictatorships/oligarchs/’democracies’ in the UN ? what alleged crimes have they committed ?”
we have some answers. whilst I won’t name names, and I note that no commenters have either, it isn’t that hard to find out.
thanks to Gail Combs for alerting us to the death toll of authoritarianism. if I could find you on fb, I’d send you a friend request.
@ David, UK. I like your suggestion (give money to your favourite charity). I tend to give my money to beggars.
Is there no-one else reading this who finds it unlikely that the powers, money, and purview for this group would all be granted? The reference article seems to be full of loose language. To wit:
“But before it is fully operational, the GCF’s creators—194 countries that belong to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and who are also U.N. members—want it to be immune from legal challenges and lawsuits, not to mention outside inspections, much like the United Nations itself cannot be affected by decisions rendered by a sovereign nation’s government or judicial system.”
“…194 countries … want it to be immune … etc. etc. ”
Really?
They must have the mother of all consensuses. 194 countries agreeing to anything? Come on.
Enabling this monster is one thing. Did the representatives of all 194 countries vote for it, or was it a majority, or what?
Did their respective governments back them up?
Talking about $100 Billion is one thing; getting it another.
Don’t get me wrong. I hate the idea as much as the rest of you. I’m just skeptical that it has legs.
@ j ferguson says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Don’t get me wrong. I hate the idea as much as the rest of you. I’m just skeptical that it has legs.
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Doesn’t need legs; it just squirms along on it’s belly. 😉
The UNFCCC and everything that has followed from it needs to be repudiated. Eradicate it all. don’t know how we get here but this cesspool is not reformable.
Not interested in reading anything that comes from Fox news, MSNBC etc…
The thieving bastards want immunity before they commit their crimes!
For those skeptical of this story, remember that bureaucrats are empowered by the UN to form this fund, and will be the ones running the fund. These are those wanting immunity.
That is what politicians do: they exempt themselves from the laws they pass. That is what liberal utopianism is all about: people like Al Gore, Castro, Chavez and those who live in dead and dying Old Europe who know more than you about what you should think and do and have–i.e., people who live for the death of the last self-reliant individual.
That (100B$) figure is about half the actual monthly ‘take’ into the US Treasury … and THAT is a lot of ‘take’ …
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Speaking as a retired criminal defense attorney, I have to wonder, what specific criminal acts the members of this NGO – remember? non-governmental organization? – intend to commit in the near future? No NGO is entitled to diplomatic immunity as diplomatic immunity is granted to the accredited official representative(s) of the governments of foreign nations. Rather like asking for a saddle for your giraffe, isn’t it? The United Nations is without any authority to grant such a request as that is entirely outside of its charter, even as grandly extended as that poor old document has become these days. It has never granted diplomatic immunity; that is a matter between governments. It has no authority to extend its version of diplomatic immunity to agencies or organizations which are not formal parts of the U.N. All very puzzling, but frankly on par with what I expect of such people in those organizations. In any event, the notion of granting prospective immunity from criminal prosecution to the members of any NGO is preposterous and invites the worst sort of behavior. Bad enough that some of these nominal members of the human race express a preference for the survival of any and all animal species over that of the human race; indeed, they regularly express or imply a preference for the survival of ‘their sort of people’ over that of the vast majority of the human race. Give them unqualified immunity from criminal prosecution for any future crimes committed by people whose published works include a desire to see a sharp decline in human populations by whatever means necessary? Ask us to commit suicide, why don’t they?
Comment on #28 The Ground Zero of Global Corruption Jo Nova’s Australian blog re Agenda 21
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/03/the-ground-zero-of-global-corruption-it-starts-with-the-currency/#comment-1017937
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120315/NEWS/303150098/TN-House-passes-resolution-condemning-Agenda-21
IMHO, the UN has become little more than a den of thieves working to steal as much from the world as they can. All facts point in that direction. IMHO they must be de-funded as quickly as possible. I know; not going to happen. But I can dream.
Or, put in left wing terms: The UN is an undemocratic organization! Democracy Now! The UN is run by powerful oligarchs, shut it down!!!
Just my humble opinion…
Oh, and yeah, revoke all immunity. Hey, they can have immunity when all of us have immunity from their rule makings and insanity…
The UN, so far as I am aware, does not hold legal jurisdiction over sovereign states and therefore cannot force them to pay tithes, taxes, call it what you will. It has no legal powers for executive actions.
If a Green Climate Fund were to use economic levers in any way whatsoever, including using economic blackmail through UN representatives etc, to bully states to pay money into its fund, then it cannot be above the law.
If it tries to be, then the usual course of action is the bullet.
I thought the UN was supposed to make humanity rise above that, not revert down to it????
Ditch them all – GCF, UN UNFCCC, IPCC. No one is above accountability when they’re on such a massive gravy train.
Not the least bit surprising. We have already seen this play once before when the Hunt Brothers tried to corner the silver market in the late 1970’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Bunker_Hunt
During the same period Gold was bid up by panic buying as people fled to precious metals to avoid the double digit inflation of the period. It eventually peaked at nearly $1000/oz in 1980 dollars for some buyers who were willing to pay a premium to control physical gold.
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Gold/Gold_inflation_chart.htm
When you see “buy precious metals” advertisements on every TV program you watch that has anything to do with finance, you know the bubble is near the bursting point.
One day during that period I was buying a few small gold and junk silver coins on my day off and there was some bad news that got people very concerned. I remember clearly the panic in people’s eyes as they came into the small coin shop I was in. They were literally going to the bank and pulling out savings and running down to the gold shop on their lunch hour to buy precious metals.
When I saw that, I knew something was wrong with the market, and backed away from precious metals selling the few coins I had while the demand was high. A friend of mine who was well off paid nearly $1000 an once for gold shortly after, and kicked himself for years as the price did not recover to that level for almost 30 years.
I fear we have another precious metal bubble brewing too!
Another interesting book that discusses the way the economy got out of control at that period in the U. S. is titled “Secrets of the Temple” (by William Greider ) and gives a detailed back room account of how the Fed and the administrations was always a day late and a dollar short trying to control the economy.
The problem was, that by its very nature the data they were using to make decisions was out of date by the time they met to plan their next move. Unfortunately, they always seemed to be 180 degrees out of phase with reality. When the economy was just starting to cool off, they clamped down on the brakes thinking it was heating up. When they realized they had applied the brakes too hard they hit the gas and stimulated the economy just as it was starting to recover and take off again. The result was sort of like a beginning driver who cannot get the clutch and throttle coordinated and ends up taking a violent jerky ride as he hits the gas just as the clutch grabs.
It was a classic case of a feed back loop oscillator. That was a long slow and painful ride for many people myself included.
Larry
With all that money and total immunity, one can do mostly anything he likes. So it can easily becalled Green Climate Fun.
j ferguson says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Is there no-one else reading this who finds it unlikely that the powers, money, and purview for this group would all be granted? The reference article seems to be full of loose language….
Don’t get me wrong. I hate the idea as much as the rest of you. I’m just skeptical that it has legs.
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Skepticism that an idea has legs is what has gotten us in to the jam we are in right now. Ten to Twenty years ago if you talked of a “New World Order” or a “World Government” you were labeled a nutcase and in some instances could actually end up in an institution. Now we have Pasca Lamy, Director General of the World Trade organization writing articles about Global Governance, the CIA and other National Security Organizations putting out a report: Global Governance 2025: at a critical juncture and the United Nations has the Commission on Global Governance.
Ideas that would have been met 40 to 60 years ago with complete outrage are not only considered common place, they are now law. The Regulating Class has learn to repeatedly bring the idea up until we accept it. It reminds me of how we train horses by desensitizing them. The principle is exactly the same.
They are also running a parallel track – depending on which “side” predominates.
http://classicalvalues.com/2012/03/look-at-what-is-sustainable/
http://classicalvalues.com/2012/03/wall-street-is-in-the-news/
I wonder if the political right, which tends to be associated with more conservative stances (but also emphasises the importance of the individual) might, on account of all the corruption in large organisations (which the left, by its communal emphasis, tend to prefer), if the right might move to a more progressive stance whereby they reboot modernity.
The right has tended to favour conservative religious stances, but the corruption on the communal side is getting so bad, especially as it “progressively” tries to deal with complex world problems, is causing more harm than good. So, as the progressive left might be undermining democracy, and yet, the very complexity of global problems is so great that no “United Nations” can deal with it, and merely suffocates under its own inefficiency and corruption, so actually, the place to be is on the progressive right, a renewal of modern principles of individual responsibility and intelligence and specialisation.
This may happen anyway as the rest of the world (China, India, Malaysia, etc.) progresses into modernity, but in a globally connected context. USA and Europe modernised, but still in a quite nationalistic perspective. The intellectuals were a bit too interested in self-deconstructing, and don’t quite get the world as a multinational, multi developmental, multi faceted system; it is too complex, and their answers are to go back to organised cooperation, but the world is too big and varied to do that, so the UN collapsed into self serving corruption.
Sorry this is such a wooly comment, but I wonder that things really need to swing back to the individual, just when so many environmentalists are clamouring for things to become more communal.
The more fool you. Some are clearing more in a day or two, part time, tax-free, than others of us earn in a week. The top performer locally I know of was an old dude in handmade road-worker orange vest who tromped up and down the divider at the intersection of the exit road from a major bridge and a major cross-town street. Had a nice stable wink-wink relationship with the cops, confined himself to walking up and down cracking jokes with drivers while they waited on the red light. About $700/day.
Seems to be gone now; retired, senescence, or misadventure.
Gail Combs:
I’m not sure skepticism about the onset of world governance as you put it is the whole problem. That I’m skeptical might be part of the problem, but I’m not driving this bus.
At the same time, it is instructive to watch the operations of the EU Commissars (If i have the proper organization identified). Wouldn’t you agree that their regulatory activities have many of the characteristics we might see in a world government – runaway infliction of political dogma on the unprotected.
We’ve enjoyed government by regulation here in the US for generations. Maybe it would be easier to hide from global governance (/half seriously).
But, no. less politely; I did think the article above was nuts.
Brian H.
Agreed. After Hurricane Andrew here in Miami, I offered a couple of day’s work to a guy with a sign that said “Will werk for Fud.” I would pay $15/hour AND feed him.
“Nothing doing. I’m making over $100/hour doing this and i don’t get my hands dirty.”
@j ferguson says:
March 25, 2012 at 6:03 am
The world (all living organisms) progresses (cultural and biological evolution) thru conflict and competition – for resources, reproductive rights, cultural and biological success, etc.. The goal of all of this ‘compassion and concern’ – ‘the moral high ground’ – voiced by liberals, leftists, etc. is to eliminate conflict and competition – the engines that drive evolution. Thereby halting the very progress they claim to aim for. It’s a deluded version of a fantasy Utopia and a denial of the way the world really works.
If you think the article is so improbable as to dismiss without a second thought, not so fast. Consider Obamacare….”you’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it.” Who could imagine so flagrant a derelection of duty tossed off as commonplace. It seems the trajectory we’re on now corrupts not just the rationality, clarity and objectivity of the scientific process but infects the very idea of “rule of law.” Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit has a 1/12/12 post on “Stocker’s Earmarks” which excruciatingly details how the team members corrupted the IPCC procedures in that instance, and it’s sneaky and behind the scenes. So much depends on destroying evidence, garbling data, covering tracks. All over the world there are obfuscations being spun, ensnaring webs to bind and deceive. Of course they want immunity. Sunshine doesn’t suit their purposes.
The root problem is we have (allowed) the creation a culture where white collar sociopaths can rip off a never ending parade of suckers with hardly any of them paying any consequences. By for too long turning a blind eye to corruption in all its forms, starting with the kids that think it is ok to cheat on tests in school because everyone else is doing it, to the used car salesman that misrepresents a car and laughs at the sheep he just screwed out of several hundred dollars through creative financing and dealer fees.
With the exception of a handful like Bernie Madoff, most of them get away with it for a life time. This breeds a culture where everyone thinks everyone else is doing the same thing and over time the social pressure to behave ethically gets replaced with a social culture of “get my share”.
It also allows them to slowly over time accumulate the wealth, connections and power to actively manipulate the system on all levels. It is not a conspiracy so much as a lot of vultures each independently picking over the same carcass looking for their pound of flesh.
Until there is leadership from the top both at the governmental level and the corporate level, not to mention family and schools to enforce a value system that has an ethical base, the predators will slowly inch by inch gain power at the expense of the ethical and the naive.
If the judicial and law enforcement systems will not make it sufficiently risky that the white collar sociopath tempers his/her greed due to fear of getting caught, the only remedy is to have things get so out of hand that the “serfs” rise up with their pitch forks and torches and settle the books.
That unfortunately is the lesson of history. The greedy and amoral can win for a while, but sooner or later they attempt a bridge too far and pay dearly for their corruption. Even the Mafia eventually learned that getting too greedy was “bad for business”.
Larry
j ferguson says:
March 25, 2012 at 6:03 am
….We’ve enjoyed government by regulation here in the US for generations….
But that has now changed. This is an example of how it now works.
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Actually one of my major beefs is with regulations (not laws) and more recently world wide harmonization.
First ever hear of the Broken Window Fallacy? Regulations fit into the category of the broken window fallacy. (I will use farming because I know the subject) An ex-dairy farmer illustrated this to me. He conducted me through a rather nice stainless steel milking parlor filled with cobwebs that he was still paying for. Before he could finish paying it off new regulations made it obsolete. Since milk is a monopsony the farmer could not raise his prices to pay for additional investment. This same situation holds true for many other farm products and other small businesses. In hogs and chickens the situation is even worse because the big chicken/pork processors hold the mortgage to the chicken/hog houses and their “ex-employees” in the USDA and FDA rewrite the regulations making those building obsolete on a regular basis so the farmer never has a chance to get out of debt once trapped.
So how do we get bureaucratic regulations instead of laws. Laws are passed by Congress and signed into law by the President as authorized by the Constitution.
So there is not a darn thing in the Constitution about bureaucrats (or foreign bodies likethe UN or WTO) making regulations with the power of law. So how did we end up with the Federal Register established March 14, 1936, and its bypassing of the Constitution? (The 2010 Federal Register was 81,405 pages long BTW)
The Supreme Court decided law could be made by the Executive branch.
So that is how our US Constitution got twisted and a dictatorship by unelected bureaucrats got set up.
Gail Combs:
What you describe is no different than the nonsense processes i was subjected to in seeking environmental permits for greenfield industrial projects in the ’70s. I think that was 40 years ago.
The beauty of the the regulatory process at least as enabled at EPA was that you had to exhaust their internal review process before you could seek relief in the courts. This could take years and could cost millions in fees alone let alone the cost of lost business due to the delay.
The trick to all this is that Congress enables the regulators to devise regulations within some boundaries. Very often, the devil really is in the details. Some small part of a regulation which might appear to achieve a worthy purpose often has di minimus effect and huge cost to a few specific industries.
But Gail, all of this apprehension about global governance is predicated on the assumption that the people we send to the Senate will agree to surrender portions of our sovereignty. I suspect that most of the people who have commented above believe this.
I don’t.
j ferguson says:
March 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm
But Gail, all of this apprehension about global governance is predicated on the assumption that the people we send to the Senate will agree to surrender portions of our sovereignty. I suspect that most of the people who have commented above believe this.
I don’t.
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Neither do I, we will never allow The Rule of Law to be replaced with Rule by Bureaucrats.
Yes, I’ve had a few brushes with them. They regard competition as obsolete, distasteful. It is to be replaced by the much nicer and more efficient “co-operation”. How that is to be obtained is unspecified.
It’s more complex than that. Buried in multiple leftist-composed Acts and Treaties are potent constraints on national sovereignty. The One World vision regards it as a dangerous anachronism, to be whittled away to nothing by all means available.
Brian H says:
March 26, 2012 at 10:14 am
“much nicer and more efficient “co-operation”. How that is to be obtained is unspecified.”
Simple. Comply or die.
It’s worth noting and remembering that all of the grand Utopian experiments somehow end up in genocide (aka Democide) …. usually aided by the formerly nice neighbor next door. We have ample proof in the 200+ million deaths over the 20th century: Stalinism, the Cultural Revolution, Bolshevism, Rwanda, Third Reich, Khmer Rouge, Ho Chi MInh, et al.
And soon enough – inspired by the Sustainable Utopia – that nice schoolteacher turned Cadre of Sustainablilty will be chanting “To lose you is no loss, to keep you is no gain. Hail Mother Gaia!”
The original story posted in tips and hints has been updated. A short response from the GCF has been received by Fox news. An update has been posted to the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/22/mammoth-new-green-climate-fund-wants-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-even-though/
Larry
You know a $1E9 dollars would sponsor a lot of research like the nanotube and cerium CO2 conversion. Can you imagine a world where CO2 can be extracted from the atmosphere and converted back into a burnable fuel? Greenies would be irritated for centuries. Also research into why ice cubes absorb gases and become stinky in the freezer but not in Antarctica.