Where there's a need for immunity, there's a crime – Green climate fund looking to UN for diplomatic immunity protection from lawsuits.

It seems to me, that if you are asking for immunity up-front, you already know that something has been done that without immunity, would land somebody in the slammer. From Fox News:

Mammoth new green climate fund wants United Nations-style diplomatic immunity, even though it’s not part of the UN

“EXCLUSIVE: The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of U.N.-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates. There’s just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations.”

Whether the fund, which was formally created at a U.N. climate conference in Durban, South Africa last December, will get all the money it wants to spend is open to question in an era of economic slowdown and fiscal austerity. Its spending goal comes atop some $30 billion in “fast start-up” money that has been pledged by U.N. member states to such climate change activities.

A 24-nation interim board of trustees for the Green Climate Fund (GCF) is slated to hold its first meeting next month in Switzerland to organize the fund’s secretariat and to get it running by November, as well as find a permanent home for the GCF’s operations. The board expects to spend about $6.7 million between now and June of next year.

But before it is fully operational, the GCF’s creators—194 countries that belong to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and who are also U.N. members—want it to be immune from legal challenges and lawsuits, not to mention outside inspections, much like the United Nations itself cannot be affected by decisions rendered by a sovereign nation’s government or judicial system.

Despite its name, the UNFCCC was informed in 2006 by the United Nations Office of Legal Affairs that it was not considered a U.N. “organ,” and therefore could not claim immunity for its subordinate bodies or personnel under the General Convention that has authorized U.N. immunity since the end of World War II.

More here:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/22/mammoth-new-green-climate-fund-wants-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-even-though/

 

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The UN has no laws against what most people would consider crimes.
Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.

Sandy

Green activists, known for their high moral standing, getting diplomatic immunity??
Be afraid, very afraid….

Wijnand

Question: Does this mean they can sabotage or damage a coal fired power station (like Greenpiss did at the UK King North Power station for instance) and not be prosecuted?

whose/which are the allegedly corrupt dictatorships/oligarchs/’democracies’ in the UN ?
what alleged crimes have they committed ?
I believe that access to green climate funds is dependant on acceptance of immunity provisions, a kind of bribe.
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.

Matt in Houston

The UN is what the best white collar criminals aspire to.
We need to get as many nations as possible to resign from that wretched pit of humanity.
UNFCCC should stand for Useless Nefarious Fu!?ing Climate Criminals Conundrum
I write my representatives on a regular basis pressing for US resignation from that criminal money pit…

David Ross

What are they worried about? They can always claim:
“I was only following orders.”

Larry Ledwick (hotrod)

Makes you wonder what they have planned if they think they need immunity from any and all legal processes.
Sounds a lot like a criminal trying to set up a plea bargain before he tells you anything useful.
Larry

oMan

Dirty little secret. Let’s hope this gets a lot of attention. On the other hand, the attention is vulnerable to misdirection. The article itself exemplifies the usual sleight of mind, by saying this fund was set up by 194 countries, as if the entire world was already lined up behind the fund, its mission and its need to work around those pesky details like real people being immunized from real accountability for real acts that would be crimes under real laws that everyone else must obey. That characterization obscures the fact that there was no vote by 194 countries, no agreement by 194 countries to waive their core police powers and grant this band of gypsies a worldwide get-out-of-jail card. What an incredible scam this is shaping up to be. Consider that the predicate for getting UN immunity is that one is governed by UN systems of accountability in lieu of national ones. I think the UN systems are a bad joke, often a cover for criminal corruption or incompetence. But at least they’re a system. If this crew gets the UN immunity, will they be covered by UN accountability? Or will they just cash these checks and do as they please? If the latter, save me a place, I want some of that action.

Willis Eschenbach

… the UNFCCC was informed in 2006 by the United Nations Office of Legal Affairs that it was not considered a U.N. “organ,” and therefore could not claim immunity …

When you can’t get your scam past the UN itself, you know you’re over the line …
w.

Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!

Aussie

Looks like Australia is waking up.. finally. Although they don’t mention it (but Abbot does) one of the main reasons is the Carbon Tax. Gillard will also decimate her party in The Federal election.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-election-2012-campbell-newman-anna-bligh-poll-march-24/story-fnbt5t29-1226308814170

William Astley

The issue is not only diplomatic immunity such that the local countries cannot lay criminal charges against individuals working for the entity but rather a complete lack of the local government’s right to investigate and oversee the expenditures which is a natural consequence of taxation without representation.
Trillions of dollars of carbon taxes are being proposed to fund these “United Nations” entities. How much say does the American taxpayer or the UK taxpayer have concerning UN expenditures and policy?
Money is power. The carbon tax is a tax. The “green tax”, is proposed to be transferred to these UN entities which can then us the “green tax” to create local political support by spreading the benefits of the scams. (Scams require a hook.)
Humans are not robots. Oversight is required to prevent corruption. Have governments every had a problem with corruption?
In this case the solution is simple. Zero Western “green taxes” provided to the UN and any UN entities.
It appears however we need to speak up. For some unexplained reason our government is proposing a green tax which will be transferred to UN entities.
Silence is consent. Democracy only protects if people are informed and get involved.
“According to an official of the U.S. Treasury, which strongly supports the existence of the GCF, the full extent of the immunities still remains to be worked out by the fund board, although the wording of various UNFCCC resolutions indicate that immunities like those held by the U.N. are clearly envisaged.
Even beyond the U.N., immunities from outside inspection and legal action have become a hallmark of international organizations, whose members often consider them a necessity to keep their operations, and their officials, from facing harassment in national courts. Among others, the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria (GFATM), an organization initially sparked by Bill Gates, has been granted such immunities under U.S. law, according to the International Organizations Immunities Act. The World Bank, among other development finance institutions, also enjoys immunities.
Critics of such immunities, on the other hand, say that they are a barrier to proper external oversight of vast amounts of international spending, a potential facilitator of corruption, and a dangerous weapon against the protection of property rights and other civil rights of those affected by the institutions’ actions.
“Immunities amount to a veil of secrecy,” says Bea Edwards, executive director of the Government Accountability Project, a Washington-based whistleblower protection organization.
“They are an immunity from external audit or oversight. They build in a structural conflict of interest at any immune institution for any internal oversight mechanism.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/22/mammoth-new-green-climate-fund-wants-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-even-though/#ixzz1q1GfTYeW

Shoshin

Un-fricking-believable. These bozos actually think that they should be above the law? They want carte blanche to do anything that they want? What’s next concentration camps for Deniers?
[snip]

3x2

$100 Billion sloshing around, no democratic control and legal immunity – what could possibly go wrong?
It really is time our “representatives” were forced to publicly justify everything that they have signed their populations up to.

J.H.

So….I wonder if the UN immune from prosecution of Crimes Against Humanity?……. I suppose it probably is. Wow, that’d be rich.

robmcn

Environmentalists, the fourth Reich.
Let’s face it they probably know what they are going to do to the citizens of poor countries. They will be hunted from their land, slaughtered by local militia, all to appease Gaia. Think Papua New Guinea on a globalized scale. Why wouldn’t they seek diplomatic immunity for crimes against humanity in advance? The modern rent-seeking environmentalist motto is “Dying to save you”.

Lawrie Ayres

We are in desperation territory here. As the world realises it has spent the farm and is in serious debt the fuzzy feel good stuff is shifted to the backburner prior being given to the cat. For those of you who don’t believe in a superior being just think how convenient it is that just when the greenies started getting going the wheels fall off. Here in Aus the Queensland warmist party are being slaughtered at the polls and the guy taking over wants to bin the green schemes to save money. How nice is that?????

kMc2

unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who don’t pay taxes but devise taxes for others to pay…. now why would that be a bad idea? What could possibly go wrong?

Brian H

You can do a lot of damage with $100bn/yr. IIRC, most of it is slated for carbon-compensation ‘rentals’ to worthy victims of hypothetical damage from undetectable negative consequences of speculative human contributions to retro-temporal interactions of atmospheric and ocean temperatures and the trace gas CO2. Moral hazard, anyone?

Peter Miller

I want to make it unequivocally clear to everyone that I am prepared to make the grand sacrifice and become a senior advisor and/or executive of this fund, I have all the right qualifications:
1. I have a couple of degrees and lots of experience in stuff,
2. I am prepared to accept a large untaxable salary,
3. I am prepared to work up to three days per month,
4. I am prepared to travel, as long as its always first class and 5 star hotels,
5. I am prepared to occasionally read stuff,
6. I am sufficiently well informed about ‘climate science’ to mislead the public and politicians by lying convincingly about the facts, just like the other leaders of this industry.
7. I have several suits, which I can wear when required.
8. I can say the word ‘denier’, while simultaneously contorting my face with supposed disgust.
9. I enjoy good food and drink.
10. I can grow a beard, if required.
Patchy have I forgotten anything? Perhaps you can help, you are a master at this sort of thing.

Kelvin Vaughan

Sparks says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:08 am
Can I be appointed king of Earth please I really want that job! I’d make a good King!
I now appoint you king of the Earth. That will be £1,000,000,000 please.

[SNIP: Too much like a political endorsement and not directly related to the thread. Sorry. -REP]

Crispin in Johannesburg

The intention seems to be to avoid RICO-like prosecutions where cross-border activities like incitement and funded attacks on person or property would normally attract criminal charges.
The funding would also be re-directable without consequence. Thus audits would report that expenses were correctly recorded but there would be no consequences for not spending it on the allocated line items.
Read the Copenhagen Agreement to see the overall plan for the $100 Billion.

Steve C

It ought to be unbelievable, under any reasonable definition of civilisation, that anybody would try this on. That it’s not only believable but actually happening says a lot about the state of international politics today, and none of it favourable.

David Cage

The way this is portrayed means that it can even be a front for the greatest drugs operation the world has ever seen and nothing could be done about it.
Aside from this there is the now near certainty that soon climate science will have to face up to responsibility for the fraudulent claims of the “proven” nature of the science and damages for the cash wasted on CO2 controls and research.
No climate science based operation should be given this protection from paying damages for its mistakes and even more so for deliberately encouraging criminal damage to installations based on their own AGW religion’s views.

Peter Miller

Patchy has responded to my last post, he advises:
1. Set up your own foundation or trust on climate in which to funnel money/donations/grants from this new green fund.
2. Make sure this foundation is located in a large and beautiful area where you can enjoy peace and tranquillity. Also, as your work is so important have the foundation build a golf course, a mansion, a swimming pool, or maybe two of each – diversity helps your karma.
3. Dye your black hat white.
4. Keep your nose squeaky clean by funnelling all your family’s expenses through the foundation and never debate your science or postion with anyone who is not friendly.
Thanks Patchy

Kelvin Vaughan says:
March 24, 2012 at 2:33 am
As the Newly appointed King of Earth I hereby declare that the right honorable reader at WUWT Kelvin Vaughan receive a gift from the planetary crown of £1,000,000,000 for the swift and speedy anointment of the worlds new king.
All hail king Sparks.

Given the UN is above any law, why do they need money since they can do anything they like- make people work for free……

The Infidel

Sounds like an attempt to bring in the one world govt, complete fascism, dictatorship on a global scale. The sooner true conservative govts get elected in and walk away from the useless nations the better, tell them to get stuffed, ban all their “officials” from entering the country on pain of arrest and permanent jail time and let the useless nations fall over from lack of democratic support. let them all crawl back to their “nomadic, hunter gatherer” level of society.
The only outcome of this would be gulags, murder gangs, mass poverty, disease, death and distruction and they would tell us how sucessful they have been about making the world green.

Robertvdl

wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.

Jessie

The diplomatic immunity is needed to implement to coalesce the UN Rights Agendas and local government ‘grass roots’ fiscal and operational work such as Agenda 21, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) and other such global linking schemes.
http://www.iclei.org/
While actual employee numbers are low, the consultancies given by local and state governments and NGOs to individuals and academia delivers a vast network who support the ‘sustainability’ and anti-development ideologies of Agenda 21 and ICLEI. These organisations are also united by their use of common manuals and operational methods.
They use ‘public health education and research’ based on risk [specifically tobacco, alcohol, nutrition, fitness and environmental-related diseases attributed to mining and resources), adult education and ‘certified training’ in the public service work places to further their ideologies and need for local data collections. Their ‘risk’ approach differs little from the anthropogenic climate warmists approach. Their plans seek also to subvert the Constitutions.
Published today: Bob Brown’s UN vision for greening the world
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-browns-un-vision-for-greening-the-world/story-fn59niix-1226308713373
source: The Australian (our national newspaper in Australia)

Timbo

“We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram”

Dictators are always above the law.
Remember the UN’s Oil-4-Food bribery scandal? $Billions in oil vouchers were handed out to heads of state and other influential VIPs, and of course numerous UN officials received vouchers. Those vouchers entitled the holders to purchase oil in million barrel lots. They didn’t even have to buy oil; the vouchers were worth the difference between their face value and the world spot price. A market sprang up overnight to trade the vouchers, which were handed out on the pretence of providing food for poor Iraqis. In just one year more than $10 billion in vouchers were funneled through the UN and handed out to favored recipients.
In a hilarious straight-faced statement, UN chief Kofi Annan told Meet the Press that “any U.N. staff member found to have participated in corruption will be dealt with severely. Their privileges and immunities will be lifted so that, if necessary, they will be brought before the court of law and dealt with, in addition to being dismissed.” Heh. Kofi Annan’s son was one of the voucher recipients.
That is only one example of what goes on continually in the UN. There is rampant corruption among the UN’s legion of kleptocrats, who are immune from prosecution and civil suits. Millions of dollars in parking tickets are simply ripped up by UN scofflaws in NY City. UN salaries, paid largely by the taxes of U.S. citizens, are tax-free. As for transparency and accountability, there is none. The UN has always rejected calls for an outside audit of its finances.
Now this new group wants free rein to do whatever they want with our money, even when it consists of criminal activity. It’s not too soon to call or email your Congressmann and Senators to demand accountability for the use of our taxes:
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.contactingthecongress.org
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

Roger Carr

Please note my endorsement of all comments here which condemn this shocking move — and also please note my stunned feeling of disbelief that this could even have been proposed.

MarkW

Philip Bradley says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:27 am
The UN has no laws against what most people would consider crimes.
Theft, fraud, bribery, are all perfectly legal at the United Nations.

Tom in Florida

C’mon folks, you know that everyone is equal but some are more equal than others. What’s the problem? (written with hopes of getting a paid position in the GCF including travel benefits to exotic places around the world enjoying excellent food, drink, women and cigars.)

DEEBEE

Given this Frankenstein was assembled in SA, would be nice to create a SA style garland, from days of yore, for each of its upper management. Then their need for diplomatic immunity would not be necessary.

Aussie

Well labor has been trounced historically in queensland theyve ended up with 6 seats, they are not even considered a representative political party anymore…Thius will happen at the federal election as well bye bye carbon tax. The same will happen in the USA with Romney fortunately he is not a cretin and hopefully some of the major republicans Infohe ect will get his ear LOL

Lars P.

Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
“wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? ”
Help me on this Robert, questioning the need for immunity from the law of climate funding is conspiracy thinking?

ozspeaksup

Lawrie Ayres says:
March 24, 2012 at 1:50 am
We are in desperation territory here. As the world realises it has spent the farm and is in serious debt the fuzzy feel good stuff is shifted to the backburner prior being given to the cat. For those of you who don’t believe in a superior being just think how convenient it is that just when the greenies started getting going the wheels fall off. Here in Aus the Queensland warmist party are being slaughtered at the polls and the guy taking over wants to bin the green schemes to save money. How nice is that?????
==================================
as a fellow Aussie..
VERY NICE;-)
by the time the fed election hits it will hardly be worth printing the ballots, foregone conclusion.
and she knows it and thats why the tooth and nail to avoid any earlier voting.

Gail Combs

Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.
________________________________
You are not a conspiracy theorist if they are really out to get you.
Given that every retired member of the military, CIA,FBI and Secret Service is now on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list, according to a friend who just retired from the Secret Service, I would not be surprised if that blacklist is growing by leaps and bounds.

Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
Immunity should never be applied with a broad brush.

Lars P.

Aussie says:
March 24, 2012 at 4:51 am
“Well labor has been trounced historically in queensland theyve ended up with 6 seats, they are not even considered a representative political party anymore…”
well deserved. Looking like they did not understood that they were getting a good payed job to serve the people not to rule.

David, UK

William Martin says:
March 24, 2012 at 12:36 am
I think that it’s about time for the US to reduce payments to the UN, and proportionately increase provision of health and infrastructure materials to impoverished nations.

Yeah, great idea William. Here’s a wacky idea for you: you keep the money you worked hard for, and then donate it to any charity you like. Too right-wing?

Curiousgeorge

Perhaps these GCF vultures might be interested in the fact that gun sales are up so much in the US that gun and ammo manufacturers can’t keep up with demand. Housewives are packin’. Women have an intuitive sense of survival, and when there is a threat to the family they are the first to recognize it and deal with it in no uncertain terms. Don’t get between a mother and her cubs. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gun-sales-off-to-bang-for-election-year/ .

Geoff Sherrington

Meanwhile, if you write sophisticated and deeply meaningful emails to the IPCC, they seem to have a short attention span, a blackout of convenience or just a shambolic office.
I did not learn anything of substance from the following exchange with the IPCC, Jan 2012:
http://www.geoffstuff.com/IPCC%20Guff.doc
The day was not wasted. I learned that “Eleven plus Two” is an anagram for “Twelve plus One.”
Fiddle, fiddle; burn, burn.

ozspeaksup

Jessie says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:39 am ……..:Published today: Bob Brown’s UN vision for greening the world
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-browns-un-vision-for-greening-the-world/story-fn59niix-1226308713373
source: The Australian (our national newspaper in Australia)
================
makes one cringe to read it.
bob ..termite brown
glove puppet

DavidA

[snip -over the top – Anthony]

Agenda 21, Green climate fund, Sustainable development.
Gro Harlem Brundtland, the Stoltenberg family – Rockefeller Foundation. Bilderberg. Club de Madrid.
http://www.clubmadrid.org/en/miembro/gro_harlem_brundtland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
http://i26.tinypic.com/98y1di.jpg
The last link showes “Folkehelseinstituttet” = Peoples Helth care institute. The Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenbergs sister:
“Deputy Director-General Camilla Stoltenberg is leading the ”Dagens Helsetall” project (Health Statistics Today) which will modernise the central health registers at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health. The institute is also working with other institutions that maintain registers to improve the general standard in Norway.”
http://www.fhi.no/eway/default.aspx?pid=238&trg=MainArea_5811&MainArea_5811=5884:0:15,3893:1:0:0:::0:0
Jens Stoltenberg & BIll Gates:
http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/smk/press-center/Press-releases/2011/bill-gates-to-visit-prime-minister-jens-.html?id=643472

Curiousgeorge

@ Gail Combs says:
March 24, 2012 at 5:08 am
Robertvdl says:
March 24, 2012 at 3:18 am
wuwt is now in conspiracy thinking ? Mr Watts you are already on a blacklist. Soon flying will be over for you.
________________________________
You are not a conspiracy theorist if they are really out to get you.
Given that every retired member of the military, CIA,FBI and Secret Service is now on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list, according to a friend who just retired from the Secret Service, I would not be surprised if that blacklist is growing by leaps and bounds.
======================================================================
Gail, did you see this in the MarineCorp Times? http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/03/19/behind-the-cover-anti-obama-marines/ . I’m retired myself, and while there has always been grumbling in the ranks, this goes much, much deeper and broader. This Sgt’s blog is only the tip of the iceberg.