A mass exodus of business and jobs out of California will be the likely result of this madness. From the San Franscisco Chronicle:
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Free and paid credits
Businesses that emit more carbon dioxide than is allowed under the law will have to use “allowances” – or credits – to make up for the difference. The allowances will be mostly free when the program starts in a little more than two months, but eventually businesses will have to purchase credits in an auction – a sort of penalty for exceeding the limit. The board’s major action on Thursday was to finalize how credits will be allocated.
The opposition from the industrial sectors, like glass manufacturers and oil refineries, strongly objected to the initial requirement that forces these businesses to pay for 10 percent of their credits. They said paying for the allowances – one previous idea was that they be free – will be crippling as businesses in other states and countries will have a competitive advantage.
Higher water rates
Multiple representatives of water agencies, mainly in Southern California, also told the board that because the regulation covers their energy usage, water rates would increase.
The cost will be about $2.50 per year per household, said air board spokesman Stanley Young, explaining that utilities are covered by the law because of the electricity used in moving water from Northern California to Southern California.
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Can’t wait to see this in Kaleefornia’s Mini-me Oregon..
So, I guess we’ll be seeing more of those ridiculous commercials with California notables begging people to come work for them.
The Southern and Eastern States have been improving thier port facilities, because in a couple years the enlarged/improved Panama Canal will allow shipping to ignore/avoid California.
This improvement will allow the Canal to:
1) Longer, wider ships
2) more ships per hour, with a quicker cycle time. (less wasteful que waiting)
The port improvemnts are making making better docks and unloading facilities for the larger ships
This coming change will complete the CA devastation, when the commerce gold no longer flows through the Golden State.
Hoser says:
October 21, 2011 at 10:35 am
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What if, I love that phrase, we can clearly show the “average citizen” the consequence of this stupidity.
Would they be inclined to vote for morons who waste taxpayer dollars on stupid schemes that don’t fix anything and increase their own household budgets at the same time?
They simply don’t understand because there isn’t a single source of mainstream news in California, with the noted exception of Anthony’s effort, that is telling them the truth.
Sacramento wants a fight, they have gotten one they can’t win and it will cost them dearly.
A few not to well known things about california.
quite a number of years ago the power companies got tired of the nonsense comming from ecological regulation of the power generating plants (for example there was a regulatory change in the temperature of the cooling water outflow [couldn’t be more than 5 degrees above ambient when most were running at +7 degrees, coupled with a total fight about where the temperature was to be checked] which would cost a huge amount of money to mitigate) and so the power companies sold off a great share of the generating plants to other companies (mostly out of state). now the great state of lalaland cannot regulate power generation. they can try but it doesn’t work that well at 1400 on a really hot tuesday afternoon when they have to buy out of state power.
los angeles used to have three companies where major aircraft were built (and flew away from the plant), only one is left and when the c-17 runs out it will be gone.
los angeles used to have 4 plants that assembled automobiles and pickup trucks. they’re gone too.
los angeles used to have 2 very large tire manufacturing factories (one so large that they named a major street after it), gone also.
there were five shipyards in the harbor. one that built ships (gone) and 3 that repaired ships (gone too) but ONE is still in existance [can’t tell if they are in business or not, very rare to see a ship there].
we had an outfit known in the trade as “the skunk works” in a small local town that built the best highest tech aircraft in the world. the locals pushed them out of town because they loaded their product into extremely large cargo aircraft and took them to the desert air base where they used them. this happened about ten oclock at night and was truly “the sound of freedom” but it woke up their parakeets and cockatoos and so had to go. if that outfit didn’t reapear somewhere else America truly lost.
WE USED TO BUILD SPACE SHIPS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. now they’re fighting over the ecological aspects of “stuffiing and mounting” the last one in a public park.
every one of these outfits had thousands of small businesses and shops that supported them, outfits that put the weeks work in the back of a pickup truck and the CEO delivered it to the plant on friday afternoon.
an acquantaince had a business making high end super accurate target pistols. one day he was moveing out. it seems as though his (25 years ago) state run industrial injury insurance in california was $4200 a month [for 15 employees] and where he was going it was $800 a year for the same group.
the greatest money maker in the state is PROPAGANDA. it is totally infested with liberals but only occupies a strip of land about a half mile wide on the actual coast of the pacific ocean. all else is contractors leaping to the beck and call of the gliterati. and a dirty little secret is that the gang in the san fernando valley actually is more of a money maker than the hollywood bunch. there are two branches “movies” and “Mainstream Media” just remember that these people are all paid to convince you of their particular point of view. the better they do that the more money they get.
capisch.
c
cromagnum says:
October 21, 2011 at 10:51 am
This coming change will complete the CA devastation, when the commerce gold no longer flows through the Golden State.
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You read my mind. Imagine an extension of the Rio Grande that links the Gulf to the Pacific. Imagine the cost saves from canal traffic that nearly eliminates illegal immigration and the benefit of desalination plants that “Green” the border areas and generation power at the same time.
Why does shipping need to use the Panama Canal when the trip could be much shorter?
As I live just over the border in Nevada, I’m positively thrilled that we’ll have more high income Californians heading east. As many of you who have visited Lake Tahoe know, the California bits of the lake are marked by relative squalor, criminality and disorganization. The Nevada side is orderly, safe, and far more picturesque.
This is great. Whenever I visit Universal Studios. I think what hypocrisy with NBC claiming to be so green and Universal using so much electricity. Now the movie studios might have to shut down or leave the state. Rather than do either of those things they might come to their senses and demand a change in the law. We might see Hollywood turn into a bunch of deniers overnight.
I love it when people vote with their feet. True democracy! From 2009:
“When comparing California with Texas, U-Haul says it all. To rent a 26-foot truck oneway from San Francisco to Austin, the charge is $3,236, and yet the one-way charge for that same truck from Austin to San Francisco is just $399. Clearly what is happening is that far more people want to move from San Francisco to Austin than vice versa, so U-Haul has to pay its own employees to drive the empty trucks back from Texas.”
I don’t see this changing anytime soon.
Vince Causey says:
[snippage]
> Phrases like true grit, rugged individualism and pioneering spirit don’t
> come close to measuring up to what these early settlers had.
> Where did it all go wrong?
The “big rock candy mountain” that is liberalism.
I’ve searched through the ARB site and noticed quite a few hits when I searched for REDD. I wonder if we’ve signed onto REDD in that we’ll be buying credits from foreign countries with huge forests ‘to store our carbon’ (translated as: ‘to steal our wealth.’)
Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 21, 2011 at 12:10 pm
“I love it when people vote with their feet. True democracy! From 2009:
“When comparing California with Texas, U-Haul says it all. To rent a 26-foot truck oneway from San Francisco to Austin, the charge is $3,236, and yet the one-way charge for that same truck from Austin to San Francisco is just $399. “”
From time to time, here in Germany, I have young colleagues who express their wish to emigrate. When I ask them where they’d like to go they say “USA”. When I ask them where to in the USA, they inevitably say “To California”. To which I answer: “But then you can just as well stay here.”
They never understand why I say that; but they also don’t read American news.
Bonanza Joe:
not that long ago a couple of california ner’ do wells attacked, raped and killed a young girl in a nevada restroom.
they wern’t even smart enough to get away for more than a couple of weeks.
the great state of nevada cuffed, stuffed and ran them through the system in a reasonably short period of time with the expected results.
MOTHER screamed foul bloody murder when she found out that leagle manuevering in california courts simply cost her money and had no effect on the nevada justice system.
either haven’t heard or missed whether the miscreants are pushing up posies or still rooming with buba.
C
John from CA:
its not the distance. its the loading and unloading costs. if they can avoid that they can sail halfway around the world on the money they save.
in long beach about 2 supertankers discharge every day to the refineries. 99% is refined into gasoline. there is a byproduct that goes by various names but suffice it to say that it is a very good ship fuel. It pays ships (especially tankers) to return to the middle east from europe by way of long beach to load up on fuel at long beach and then go to the persian gulf for loading.
a local newspaper article about 15 years ago quoted savings of $250,000 or more per fillup.
thats why you see ships pulling into the outer harbor and not comming into the berths for a couple of days then leaving. the barge and tug companies that move the oil out to the ships works out of long beach and its a shorter run (by a couple of miles) than from los angeles.
C
We should all be grateful to California as it will show how followers of the green/AGW nonsense, if allowed their head, can be guaranteed to turn prosperity into poverty.
This will become a classic case study for future MBA students to learn about.
No problemo. The solution to failed socialism is always at hand: more socialism.
Murray Grainger says:
October 21, 2011 at 4:12 am
NZ, UK, Australia, and now California. What other lemmings are there at the top of the cliff, just waiting to jump?
klem says:
October 21, 2011 at 6:33 am
It’s fine by me. Australia has a new carbon tax and so now I will not buy Australian products wherever I can, like their wine. California has cap&Trade, I will stop buying prodicts from California like their oranges and wine.
The majority of Australians are not lemmings and do not want a carbon tax which passed the House of Representatives 74 votes to 72 only because of the fact that the minority Government had the backing of one Green and three crony Independents who are benefitting from pork barrelling of their electorates by supporting the government.
Despite the pork barrelling polling in 2 of these Independent electorates showed 90% of voters were against the carbon tax in one and 88% were against it in the other:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/independent-seats-oppose-carbon-tax/story-e6freuzr-1226152332663
So you could also say that these Independent MP’s are grossly misrepresenting their voters.
Julia Gillard also went onto national television 6 days before the election and promised the nation that would be no carbon tax under a government she led. So you could say that she is governing purely by deceit.
Tony Abbott has promised “in blood” that whatever it takes, he will repeal the carbon tax which will not take affect until July 2012 even though the government has made sure this will be difficult to unravel.
Latest two party preferred polling is:
Coalition under Tony Abbott – 57%
Labor under Julia Gillard – 43%
So klem, can I suggest that you keep drinking fine Australian wine, at least until Jul 01 2012. By then who knows, we may have a clearer picture of whether we will even have a carbon tax and if so whether it will quickly wither on the vine.
“A mass exodus of business and jobs out of California will be the likely result of this madness”
I look forward to seeing whether this prediction is accurate or not.
Mervyn Sullivan: This is what happens when politicians and bureaucrats catch “the green disease”!
It (AB32) resulted from citizen lobbying. A measure was put on the ballot to repeal AB32 a couple years ago, and the measure was defeated. Bad as it is, this law has majority support. When businesses move out, a majority of Californians blame business; when energy prices rise, a majority of Californians totally ignore the role of increasing demand and declining domestic supply. I think that we may be stuck, here in California, with a permanent anti-business majority. The California idea of “promoting business” is to create a commission of academics to ignore what business leaders say they want more of and less of. This is a state where hardly anyone rides the rails and the government still pushes high speed rail through regions where hardly anyone wants to travel.
John from CA: My gut says, class action law suit against the State of California. Let them prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Climate Science and the basic assumptions are Valid and that this idiotic cap and tax approach is warranted.
Time for another try to repeal AB32? I doubt you’d get a majority.
California dreamin’ on such a winter’s day!!
extremist: Look, the way those dictatorial bureaucrats pass laws does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the majority of the population. I mean, it is not even a true democracy in CA. What the heck, I pay taxes here in CA, and no one even asked me for my opinion.
You must be one of those voters who always avoids voting on the initiatives. The State of California asks your opinion all the time.
Rhys Jagger: I don’t know California’s economy that well, but it never came across to me that it was full of smelting plants, oil refineries, huge chemicals plants or the like?
That was built up until about the mid ’60s, and has been declining ever since. Steel, aluminum, shipbuilding, autos, home appliances, aircraft — California had it all.
The ARB must not count power purchased from out-of-state to reach their conclusions about economic costs. Which means destructive as it is, it is still a farce as far as accomplishing its stated goal.
California may be a hopeless case. I say sell it to China. The CCP is more qualified to manage it than the lunatic voters they have there. We would lose one giant headache, and about half our national debt in an instant.