A mass exodus of business and jobs out of California will be the likely result of this madness. From the San Franscisco Chronicle:
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Free and paid credits
Businesses that emit more carbon dioxide than is allowed under the law will have to use “allowances” – or credits – to make up for the difference. The allowances will be mostly free when the program starts in a little more than two months, but eventually businesses will have to purchase credits in an auction – a sort of penalty for exceeding the limit. The board’s major action on Thursday was to finalize how credits will be allocated.
The opposition from the industrial sectors, like glass manufacturers and oil refineries, strongly objected to the initial requirement that forces these businesses to pay for 10 percent of their credits. They said paying for the allowances – one previous idea was that they be free – will be crippling as businesses in other states and countries will have a competitive advantage.
Higher water rates
Multiple representatives of water agencies, mainly in Southern California, also told the board that because the regulation covers their energy usage, water rates would increase.
The cost will be about $2.50 per year per household, said air board spokesman Stanley Young, explaining that utilities are covered by the law because of the electricity used in moving water from Northern California to Southern California.
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Just to show you how corrupt this organization is, they knew one of their staff had a fake PhD and allowed other board members to remain in the dark about the fraud and vote on issues based on his findings. This site has video links. http://killcarb.org/index.html
This group of corrupticrats needs to be broomed.
Fake PhD.
http://killcarb.org/tranpage.html
Mary Nichols apology
There are links to others; just look on YouTube.
DonS says:
“Soon you will hear, in restaurants, watering holes, civic meetings, churches and hunting camps former Californians ruing the fact that WA, OR, ID, MT, WY don’t have some of the progressive niceties that they enjoyed in their former homes.”
You left out NV. Californicators who have relocated to NV already despoiled the state by helping to re-elect Harry Reid.
This attitude I just don’t understand, and it could only come from people who simply don’t know what California has to offer. Trust me, as an American, you *want* California in your nation. Giving up California to stupidity or another nation is suicide. You all seem to want to forget that at one point, this state was the #6 economy in the world, just this state alone. If you want to know why jobs are so hard to come by in your nation, look no further than the raping of this state by special interests. In downturns past, this state always offered jobs, it was always the state that was a place to move to if the rest of the nation was in recession. Well the bigger they are, the heavier the anchor they are. California will be in full-on depression if it gets much worse, and the rest of the nation isn’t faring much better. This state will be dragging the nation down because the attitude people had towards it was one of resigned surrender. If California had been defended by business instead of co-opted by special interest groups and public labor unions, I would bet real money the nations recession would look a lot rosier right now.
Build Google?
Those disk farms are notorious energy hogs. Combine that with the air conditioning needed to keep them from over heating and technology companies consume huge amounts of energy.
@eyesonu
“but look at the way CA votes and acts. There is seriously a problem with the majority of the population.”
Look, the way those dictatorial bureaucrats pass laws does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the majority of the population. I mean, it is not even a true democracy in CA. What the heck, I pay taxes here in CA, and no one even asked me for my opinion.
“Bob October 21, 2011 at 3:49 am”
“Can we build a fence so that California idiocy stays in California?”
Unfortunately no. Like Colorado, the people who lost jobs due to this lunacy will be moving to your state and start electing the same kind of boneheads that chased them out of California.
I hope you recall Enron’s involvement in that whole mess. That Lay/Skilling scheme is so pernicious it has yet to die.
Jeremy, we agree with you. But the first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem. California hasn’t done that yet. We don’t want to see California fail. What we fear is that it won’t take the actions necessary to succeed until they’ve actually hit rock bottom.
Soon there will only be 4 types of people left in California:
1. Statist government hacks who make a living by doing completely unproductive or counterproductive things.
2. Hollywood whack jobs who don’t care what they pay in taxes or utility bills since they get paid millions for “acting”.
3. “Environmentalists” and others who are too deluded to know what is really going on but will actually celebrate this regulation.
4. Those who literally cannot afford to leave and will become (or already are) de-facto wards of the State.
Yes, “economic suicide” sums it up nicely, but the economic atrophy and senility had already set in long ago, so probably Dr. Kavorkian would approve of this as a mercy killing.
That’s not true. Electing Arnold was actually California admitting it had a problem. Arnold won *because* he wasn’t a politician. He then, per his original platform, called a special election with 6-8 propositions put on the statewide ballot. These propositions directly challenged special interests and public labor unions. Arnold was outgunned and outspent. The environmentalists and unions spent so much money to make Arnold look like an idiot, he was finished as a viable governor for change before the first ballot was cast. Since then, he basically said, “ok, the people of CA have spoken, and you get what you asked for.”
From then on, he was just like any other politician.
Californians know they have a problem and they’ve tried to stop it. The corrupt deep pockets of enviro-whackos and labor unions simply out gun you and manipulate the less-than-educated public.
Solyndra managed to spend $500m in 12 months with only 1,000 employees. California is more than willing to dispose of your state’s money too.
Jeremy says:
October 21, 2011 at 8:53 am
“as an American, you *want* California in your nation. Giving up California to stupidity or another nation is suicide.”
As a person, I don’t want a large, cancerous tumor in my body. I would rather have it cut out.
California is already in debt way beyond its eyeballs, and this will just make it FAR, FAR worse. As an American, I want NO PART WHATSOEVER in having to repay that debt. The Californicators did it to themselves, and logical, responsible Americans who had nothing to do with it should not be forced to bear their burdens.
I don’t want to “lose” California, but I think that the price for them to stay in the Union should be that they are required to find a way to pay off their own debts without foisting them off on the rest of us. (The same should go for the other 46 States which are currently running budget deficits as well, to be honest).
Richard Saumarez says:
October 21, 2011 at 7:44 am
The laws of unintended consequences.
” we are told that the massive discovery of shale gas in the UK is going to stay in the ground, because otherwise this will breach EU CO2 targets.
I predict that the politcal backlash is gathering pace”
Think Gadaffi
I was watching a tv doc called “America – the story of the US”, which just by chance was talking about the great western migrations that took place during the early nineteenth century. Among these were the settlers who marched thousands of miles into California, enduring every kind of hardship including freezing, starvation and death. Phrases like true grit, rugged individualism and pioneering spirit don’t come close to measuring up to what these early settlers had.
Where did it all go wrong?
California will go totally bankrupt that much sooner.
When it does, it shouldn’t even be allowed to remain a state.
It should revert to Federal-territory status, then broken up
into Northern, Central, and Southern California.
It is important that each get equal land-area, not equal population.
It is also important that the governments of equal-area counties.
select state senators, rather than the people, so that land is represented.
The U.S. Senate would expand by 4 members, with two more stars in the American flag.
As an American who has not lived in California. Perhaps you don’t realize that California has *always* received less federal tax dollars than it gave out by a large margin. The fact is if you had some master accountant actually looking at the federal books you would see this nation already owes California a great debt because of the chronically positive net flow into federal funding of programs that did good things in all other 50 states for the past few decades.
You call California a cancer. I call California an enormously underappreciated and forgotten state that has more than pulled its own weight for nearly 60 years.
ZT says:
October 21, 2011 at 9:16 am
“Solyndra managed to spend $500m in 12 months with only 1,000 employees.
California is more than willing to dispose of your state’s money too”
So true. Wake up America!
Vince Causey,
It all started to go wrong when these rugged pioneers got there and discovered:
1) A nearly ideal climate
2) Gold
California became “rich” insanely quickly, but also suffered a FLOOD of people migrating there from that point onwards. The people got used to an “easy lifestyle” far too quickly and forgot about all of the intense hardships that the original settlers had to endure. In short, it didn’t take California long to become “fat and lazy” especially in economic terms. Californians have a perfectly natural desire to preserve their “paradise” but this natural desire was easily corrupted into doing things that were in reality shooting California squarely in the economic foot.
Now California has gotten so silly that some in California appear to think that a good cure for a ruptured aorta is to sever the jugular.
Jeremy,
Of course California has always PER CAPITA “given out far more federal dollars than it takes in” The problem is, that you completely FORGOT that that statistic is ALWAYS given as a per capita statistic. Naturally on a per capita basis highly populated States which have natural resources and industry will
In terms of per capita federal dollars, States like North Dakota and Wyoming and Montana and Idaho and Alabama of COURSE receive more federal dollars then they contribute. However, if you look at it in terms of ACTUAL dollars, California CONSUMES a great deal of federal money.
This website might shed some light on it for you: http://civfi.com/
I’ll begin to care when I see a list of California businesses, organizations and people that have left because of this nuttiness. Someone here claimed that the movie business would move: Hell no! Hollywood loves this stuff! And they can afford to pay for it! This won’t change the movie industry one iota. Apple Computer is all for this regulation…and they can afford it! Apple isn’t going anywhere…and neither is any other top-flight Silicon Valley business.
These regulations are seen as merely another price for living in the ideal climate; for feeling as one of the chosen. Nothing will change.
In addition to Australia, we now have a lab experiment here in the United States on the effects of cap and trade or carbon tax on the economy. Soon, the perniciousness of such policies will be on display for all to see.
California is the canary-in-the-coal-mine for the consequences of imposition of carbon limits that are unaffordable and impossible to reach, the villification and destruction of a vital fossil fuel energy and the adoption of man-made warming as a quasi-religion without regard for science, history or common sense.
Goodnight California. Last one out please turn off the lights.
John from CA says:
October 21, 2011 at 6:42 am
I can’t believe the idiots we have to suffer to live in California.
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So now that I’ve gotten the initial reaction out of brain, the question is, given that this nonsense is occurring on our turf, what are we going to do about it.
My gut says, class action law suit against the State of California. Let them prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Climate Science and the basic assumptions are Valid and that this idiotic cap and tax approach is warranted.
We shouldn’t have much of any problem finding the funding as Disney, Universal Studios, the entire Napa Valley, all industries and agra-business sectors are now involved.
The GDP in California rivals most countries in the world. It shouldn’t take very long to expel the loons from office in Sacramento.
We can gripe all day about the laws and regulations coming out of Sacramento. The fact is, the voters want it – they think. It is only when the consequences of their actions hit home that perhaps the voters in California will begin to understand their mistakes. However, it will be too late to prevent severe damage to the economy.
The conversion to Cuban economics is progressing quickly. Being trained by the Left from day one in government schools, Californians have no idea what is in store for them. They love to blame the rich for not doing their “fair” share. They think they are saving “the environment”. There is a significant fraction Californians with very selfish motives. Once they get their piece of the California Dream, they try to prevent almost everyone else following them from getting any.
Voters approved open space requirements preventing new construction of homes like the ones people voting for restrictions lived in. Similar height restrictions enacted by voters prevent using the third dimension to limit urban sprawl and minimize the footprint on the land. Cropland is shrinking to accommodate growth in the Central Valley. Some of the richest cropland in California was paved over in the Bay Area, Los Angeles, Ventura and Orange counties. Now the same process is occurring around Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, and Fresno. Building up can be a wise use of available land, despite the earthquake risks. We can design structures to minimize that risk. Life in Manhattan is really good in a number of ways. Simply put, most Californians lack social skills commonly found in small towns. Manhattan neighborhoods are like small towns. An advantage of density is public transportation works. You can go where you want, when you want to go. Except for Market Street in SF, BART trains run far too infrequently.
The California Coastal Commission blocks new development along the coast, an area with the most temperate climate. Combined with open space and height restrictions, new development is now forced into the Central Valley. Significantly higher summer temperatures in the interior of the state produce a greater need for air conditioning. Now summertime load is much higher per capita than in the past. The California Energy Commission has the authority to decide what power plants can be built in the state. SB1037 (Kehoe, 2005) makes it illegal to construct natural gas power plants without a special waiver by the CEC. We are forced into green energy and much higher prices, or made to endure over 100 °F temperatures without cooling. Welcome back to 1880.
When I lived in San Francisco, I never had to heat or cool the house. Regulatory shortages caused housing prices to be unaffordable in the coastal region. Now living farther from the coast, my energy costs soar in the summer (more than double the winter costs).
Another key resource the state is trying to control is water. An assault on water rights is being waged by the regulators and the courts. For example, the phony Delta smelt issue is being used to usurp water rights going back to the Gold Rush. Summer flows through the Delta are already twice the natural flow due to releases from dams. The CEC wants to control water too, arguing 20% of energy consumed in the state is used to move water. Our government has decided that we can’t have more water, even though the population is growing and even though an unlimited supply of water is sitting in the Pacific Ocean. Energy is needed to make seawater drinkable. The California Energy Commission would have to approve new power generation to support desalination by reverse osmosis (or other means), which they are unlikely to do. Another impediment is the California Coastal Commission be reluctant to permit desal operations because the brine releases somehow might harm sea life, as if there are no workarounds to solve such problems.
Apparently, an aging population used to getting whatever they want, and who already have their piece, are happy to shut down growth in an effort to prevent change. Their dirty little secret was the interference in the free market they supported boosted their home values and let them live the good life. Pensions were easily funded. Stocks were soaring and capital gains taxed at a low rate. Fat and happy, they thought nothing could touch them. Their distortion of the free market is coming back to bite. Home price collapse, pensions that may disappear due to bankuptcy, services that may fail because the economy can’t maintain a municipal or county workforce. Where agencies can raise rates, services continue, but the public complain that rates are getting too high. The only way out cities, counties, states, and the federal government have for their crushing debt and future obligations is inflation. Those living on fixed incomes will see their standard of living drop like a stone.
California must collapse for several reasons. First, that will teach voters the harsh lesson they need to counteract the socialist beverage they have been sucking since childhood. Second, only when the state can no longer take more money will government have to be limited, agencies and commissions eliminated, public employees fired, budgets cut, salaries and benefits reduced. Third, socialism must be shown to be a failure here in order to make very clear to the rest of the country that socialism always fails. After all, we’ve had the best socialist minds from Stanford, UCLA, UC Berkeley and USC planning our economy. We must restore the free market, and forever limit the power of government to interfere with the market and our freedom. Fourth, people will need to take more responsibility for their own lives. Current economic conditions make that prospect challenging. However, by removing the impediments to real economic growth, especially for small business, people will be able to find work and do what they need to support their families. Government should not pick winners and losers.
Those in power seem to want to turn California into their own private park, driving people from the Sierra Nevada mountains and coast. It is an expression of the UN’s policy supporting the removal of humans from Yukon to Yellowstone, with the California elite extending the concept to Yosemite. Living on imported food, they don’t care whether cropland is paved over. There will always be a supply of servants in California to provide for the elites, or wannabe elites in the Bay Area and LA. Even if they come from Mexico. Keeping the state population below 40 million will make it easier to move people out of the “natural” areas. They don’t like individuals having rights to decide what to do with their own land, water, and other resources. “Stakeholder” interests trump private property rights. Command and control economics let the government strangle companies and individuals as necessary to ensure compliance.
Let our leaders have their day in the sun. Their Utopia cannot last. If the Left get everything they want, the process will run its course faster, and the pain will be over quicker. It would be hoped these unfortunately harsh lessons could be learned more permanently. If we let government schools to continue their indoctrination, certainly we can say another sucker is born every minute, and the cycle will repeat.