Oh noes!
Then, suddenly, this week, in summer no less, nature decides that snowfalls won’t be a thing of the past after all, and makes bozos of the BBC:
I hate it when that happens.
h/t to Ron De Haan and to Richard North, who has more examples of this hand wringing over snow at his blog, the EU Referendum.
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its ok, someone has a program to “adjust” it out of existence..
it wont be there, really it wont..
ha ha ha
“Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?” – Yossarian, Catch-22
To be fair, in 2007 trends showed it to be true. Since then though, snow has recovered world-wide. I guess there’s a lesson for everyone here and on the other side of the debate; weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature.
Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.
When it is cold “it is just weather”. Well this is another COLD summer here. I have hardly worn sandals since Easter and when I did my feet were freezing. In fact my ‘summer clothing’ is still unworn this year. We had to put heating on in the office on Thursday and Friday despite wearing ‘an extra layer’. There have been widespread warnings of grass frost this week and Metcheck (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/frostrisk.asp) has a high Air Frost Risk for Edinburgh.
We have planted our a lot of cold tolerant vegetables this year. We risked a few more sensitive ones beside a warm wall, but they are suffering – our outdoor themometer recorded a minimum of 1.8C the other night.
the worst nightmare for a melon head is snow thay hate it thay sit in there flats supplyed by the tax payer and think up a whole lot off global warming crap
I guess there’s a reason why they called it Snowdon. Still, I understand my mates in the UK have been assured summer 2011 will be yet another “BBQ” summer. Not looking too hot…and its mid-June. Maybe the UK will have another 1976 “Indian summer”.
As Richard points out, all talk of “global warming” and “climate” disappears very quickly and it becomes a cold weather event. Even so they did manage to weave “drought” and “warmest” into the story. No mean feat, in a story about snow on top of a mountain, I can tell you. Here in Yorkshire it’s bloody cold and bloody wet (and has been since early may) so I have no idea which counties are apparently baking in the hot sun.
The BBC are institutionally alarmist:
1 Not a day goes by without a journo stating categorically that X will get worse due to climate change.
2 They are happy to give credit and credibility to eco terrorists.
3 Subliminal images of wind farms are introduced into programmes.
4 No debate or alternative views are permitted, yet the only green MP is afforded substantial air time despite her party only getting 0.8% of the popular vote.
Proof: There is now not a single camel in Snowdonia and thus GW has been totally reversed. The Aussies are clearly on the right track.
Well of course they did study Snowdon for a whole 14 years so they will have a grasp of ‘climate’ from that.
However, if they had just bothered to do a little research they would have found resources like this http://www.francisfrith.com/snowdon/photos/ Interesting to note that not a lot of snow shows in these pictures either.
But then as the peak of Snowdon is only 3,560ft the zero degree isotherm is often higher than that especially with the prevailing westerly winds and at 53.46North.
But as your pictures show this year the zero degree isotherm was below 3000ft in mid-June, {sarc} so it is obviously getting warmer or it wouldn’t snow would it {/sarc}
Ah, but there’s more Anthony. Savour the Northern Ireland edition of a similar story from this week as covered by the BBC.
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/the-story-continues-northern-ireland-edition/
The BBC, it’s what they do.
Wucash:
I have seen many, many dumb comments on the web, but your above comment at June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It says in total:
“To be fair, in 2007 trends showed it to be true. Since then though, snow has recovered world-wide. I guess there’s a lesson for everyone here and on the other side of the debate; weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature.
Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.”
So, “weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature”. OK, then why should anybody (e.g. the BBC in thecase discussed here) report such predictions as though they were true?
And, “You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen”. That is true, but you can’t say without a doubt that it will happen, either. Indeed, you assert that “weather and climate are too difficult to predict”. So, should we worry about the large meteorite that may devastate Manhattan Island next year, and should the BBC publish a prediction that it will strike Manhattan Island merely because “You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen”?
Richard
June 12, 2011 at 4:11 am
Wucash:
I have seen many, many dumb comments on the web, but your above comment at June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen.
Guess you don’t read Joe Romm’s stuff in you think Wucash’ s comment is in that category.
Wucash says:
June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am
“Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.”
Actually you can say it won’t happen and is very easy to falsify. Unless Winter temperature were to rise 10c on average over the next 11 years this might become true. Even then over the late November/December 2010 bitterly cold episode from Siberia/Scandianavia, it would still have been cold enough up here on Snowdon with a 10c rise to see some snow.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00120101203.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00220101203.gif
I am sure the warmistas will just say how the ‘extremes’ are caused by AGW! hot,cold, dry, wet – it’s all OUR fault! LOL
This will surely reverse a trend of a third less snow over 14 years, thus proving the Ice Age is here!
The trend you are talking about from 2007 was taking a too short time frame sample.
The BBC (amongst others) have also been telling us how its been the driest Spring here for 100 years and drought orders are coming into force and were all going to starve to death with crop failures. What they fail to mention is that the Met Office decided to move the goalposts by declaring that Spring now starts on March 1st and ends June 1st, its currently tipping it down here in the middle of the UK. I wonder if the normal spring dates that have been the same for yonks would show the driest for 100 years, only a week to go and the forecast is for more rain. I suspect a fudge factor is being used to satisfy their own agenda.
Another epic fail. I think a synopsis of all the warmists crazy predictions dating back to the 80’s is in order. Now THAT would make a great article.
I’m always asking the CAGW believers, how many times do your people have to be wrong before you at least start raising an eyebrow?
I’d like to meet the muppet who keeps insisting the UK enjoyed its warmest spring ever. From central England and all points north, it’s been cold, wet and miserable with the exception of a few sunny days over the Easter period. What us northerners have is weather, nothing more. Apparently
global warmingdrought conditions run into a climatic brick wall at Spaghetti Junction.Thinking about a post about the heat in the US? Or does that not interest this site?
It’s a headline to foreward an agenda
Parts of the UK have been officially declared ‘drought stricken’ BBC radio 5 did a drought special last Friday, an outside broadcast from a farm. The usual “climate change assotiations were made.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011p3tt
An interesting artical in the guardian today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jun/10/data-store-drought
“100 years of UK rainfall: when was it this dry before?”
The embarassment was totally avoidable. Anyone who has looked at things like rainfall, snowfall, drought & flood data understands that after every bunch of extremes comes an opposite set of extremes. Nature loves to maintain its averages. Even lowly tree ring data shows this.
The concept of returning to average in the short term is simple, easy to grasp, and readily observed.
The BBC lives on the same planet 6 billion other people live on.
As adults, they should have known better than to get carried away.
Give them a Dan Rather award, they’ve earned it.
Now, for those of you out there who are wondering what happens on the next longer timespan…
the planet has just finished a multi-decade set of warmer years and leveled off, so the opposite is all set to go if/when the warming has expended its allotment. There are no guarantees, based on data, that the cooling run has commenced, or that the cooling will perfectly cancel out the warming. That is the provenance of the next overarching set of extremes.
None of this rests on what causes what, it’s just the nature of the beast or, i.e…..it’s behavior.
Journalists should not takes sides, unlike opinion piece writers, and their work should demonstrate as much.
This from the National Park Service U.S. Department of the Interior
‘Did You Know?
Glacier National park was named for the glaciers that carved, sculpted, and formed this landscape millions of years ago. Despite the recession of current glaciers, the park’s name will not change when the glaciers are gone’.
Meanwhile on the same page:-
Weekend Update for June 11-12, 2011
Plowing continues on the Going-to-the-Sun Road (Sun Road). Initial plowing has been complete to the Big Bend, five miles beyond the Loop, on the west side. Crews are encountering drifts between 10 and 20 feet. On the east side, crews are plowing the No Stump Point area, approximately one mile beyond Siyeh Bend. There is no date set for when the upper section of the Sun Road will be cleared for across park travel.
http://www.nps.gov/glac/parknews/news11-34.htm
Come on folks… We’ve been through this how many times? It will just be further proof of climate change. Any and all unusual weather is easily attributed to AGW or whatever they’re calling it these days!
Not much of a chance of warm sunny days soon for the UK. Notice lows all over the place:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/charts/FSXX00T_00.jpg
Just remember Grímsvötn and its ash cloud which was 12 miles high (up there in the stratosphere); it has not gone away, and may be up there for some months to come.