BBC snowed by the whims of nature

Oh noes!

Click for the full story at the BBC

Then, suddenly, this week, in summer no less, nature decides that snowfalls won’t be a thing of the past after all, and makes bozos of the BBC:

Click for the full story at the BBC

I hate it when that happens.

h/t to Ron De Haan and to Richard North, who has more examples of this hand wringing over snow at his blog, the EU Referendum.

 

 

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amicus curiae

its ok, someone has a program to “adjust” it out of existence..
it wont be there, really it wont..
ha ha ha

“Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?” – Yossarian, Catch-22

Wucash

To be fair, in 2007 trends showed it to be true. Since then though, snow has recovered world-wide. I guess there’s a lesson for everyone here and on the other side of the debate; weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature.
Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.

When it is cold “it is just weather”. Well this is another COLD summer here. I have hardly worn sandals since Easter and when I did my feet were freezing. In fact my ‘summer clothing’ is still unworn this year. We had to put heating on in the office on Thursday and Friday despite wearing ‘an extra layer’. There have been widespread warnings of grass frost this week and Metcheck (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/frostrisk.asp) has a high Air Frost Risk for Edinburgh.
We have planted our a lot of cold tolerant vegetables this year. We risked a few more sensitive ones beside a warm wall, but they are suffering – our outdoor themometer recorded a minimum of 1.8C the other night.

tango

the worst nightmare for a melon head is snow thay hate it thay sit in there flats supplyed by the tax payer and think up a whole lot off global warming crap

Patrick Davis

I guess there’s a reason why they called it Snowdon. Still, I understand my mates in the UK have been assured summer 2011 will be yet another “BBQ” summer. Not looking too hot…and its mid-June. Maybe the UK will have another 1976 “Indian summer”.

3x2

As Richard points out, all talk of “global warming” and “climate” disappears very quickly and it becomes a cold weather event. Even so they did manage to weave “drought” and “warmest” into the story. No mean feat, in a story about snow on top of a mountain, I can tell you. Here in Yorkshire it’s bloody cold and bloody wet (and has been since early may) so I have no idea which counties are apparently baking in the hot sun.

Stacey

The BBC are institutionally alarmist:
1 Not a day goes by without a journo stating categorically that X will get worse due to climate change.
2 They are happy to give credit and credibility to eco terrorists.
3 Subliminal images of wind farms are introduced into programmes.
4 No debate or alternative views are permitted, yet the only green MP is afforded substantial air time despite her party only getting 0.8% of the popular vote.

Proof: There is now not a single camel in Snowdonia and thus GW has been totally reversed. The Aussies are clearly on the right track.

Ian W

Well of course they did study Snowdon for a whole 14 years so they will have a grasp of ‘climate’ from that.
However, if they had just bothered to do a little research they would have found resources like this http://www.francisfrith.com/snowdon/photos/ Interesting to note that not a lot of snow shows in these pictures either.
But then as the peak of Snowdon is only 3,560ft the zero degree isotherm is often higher than that especially with the prevailing westerly winds and at 53.46North.
But as your pictures show this year the zero degree isotherm was below 3000ft in mid-June, {sarc} so it is obviously getting warmer or it wouldn’t snow would it {/sarc}

Ah, but there’s more Anthony. Savour the Northern Ireland edition of a similar story from this week as covered by the BBC.
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/the-story-continues-northern-ireland-edition/
The BBC, it’s what they do.

Richard S Courtney

Wucash:
I have seen many, many dumb comments on the web, but your above comment at June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It says in total:
“To be fair, in 2007 trends showed it to be true. Since then though, snow has recovered world-wide. I guess there’s a lesson for everyone here and on the other side of the debate; weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature.
Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.”
So, “weather and climate are too difficult to predict because they are unstable in nature”. OK, then why should anybody (e.g. the BBC in thecase discussed here) report such predictions as though they were true?
And, “You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen”. That is true, but you can’t say without a doubt that it will happen, either. Indeed, you assert that “weather and climate are too difficult to predict”. So, should we worry about the large meteorite that may devastate Manhattan Island next year, and should the BBC publish a prediction that it will strike Manhattan Island merely because “You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen”?
Richard

Orkneygal

June 12, 2011 at 4:11 am
Wucash:
I have seen many, many dumb comments on the web, but your above comment at June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen.
Guess you don’t read Joe Romm’s stuff in you think Wucash’ s comment is in that category.

Matt G

Wucash says:
June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am
“Saying that, who knows? Maybe in 2022 all the snow will be gone. You can’t say without a doubt that won’t happen.”
Actually you can say it won’t happen and is very easy to falsify. Unless Winter temperature were to rise 10c on average over the next 11 years this might become true. Even then over the late November/December 2010 bitterly cold episode from Siberia/Scandianavia, it would still have been cold enough up here on Snowdon with a 10c rise to see some snow.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00120101203.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2010/Rrea00220101203.gif

Kev-in-Uk

I am sure the warmistas will just say how the ‘extremes’ are caused by AGW! hot,cold, dry, wet – it’s all OUR fault! LOL

RR Kampen

This will surely reverse a trend of a third less snow over 14 years, thus proving the Ice Age is here!

Les Francis

Wucash says: June 12, 2011 at 3:47 am
To be fair, in 2007 trends showed it to be true.

The trend you are talking about from 2007 was taking a too short time frame sample.

Knuts

The BBC (amongst others) have also been telling us how its been the driest Spring here for 100 years and drought orders are coming into force and were all going to starve to death with crop failures. What they fail to mention is that the Met Office decided to move the goalposts by declaring that Spring now starts on March 1st and ends June 1st, its currently tipping it down here in the middle of the UK. I wonder if the normal spring dates that have been the same for yonks would show the driest for 100 years, only a week to go and the forecast is for more rain. I suspect a fudge factor is being used to satisfy their own agenda.

Jason

Another epic fail. I think a synopsis of all the warmists crazy predictions dating back to the 80’s is in order. Now THAT would make a great article.
I’m always asking the CAGW believers, how many times do your people have to be wrong before you at least start raising an eyebrow?

I’d like to meet the muppet who keeps insisting the UK enjoyed its warmest spring ever. From central England and all points north, it’s been cold, wet and miserable with the exception of a few sunny days over the Easter period. What us northerners have is weather, nothing more. Apparently global warming drought conditions run into a climatic brick wall at Spaghetti Junction.

John Brookes

Thinking about a post about the heat in the US? Or does that not interest this site?

M White

It’s a headline to foreward an agenda
Parts of the UK have been officially declared ‘drought stricken’ BBC radio 5 did a drought special last Friday, an outside broadcast from a farm. The usual “climate change assotiations were made.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011p3tt
An interesting artical in the guardian today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jun/10/data-store-drought
“100 years of UK rainfall: when was it this dry before?”

rbateman

The embarassment was totally avoidable. Anyone who has looked at things like rainfall, snowfall, drought & flood data understands that after every bunch of extremes comes an opposite set of extremes. Nature loves to maintain its averages. Even lowly tree ring data shows this.
The concept of returning to average in the short term is simple, easy to grasp, and readily observed.
The BBC lives on the same planet 6 billion other people live on.
As adults, they should have known better than to get carried away.
Give them a Dan Rather award, they’ve earned it.
Now, for those of you out there who are wondering what happens on the next longer timespan…
the planet has just finished a multi-decade set of warmer years and leveled off, so the opposite is all set to go if/when the warming has expended its allotment. There are no guarantees, based on data, that the cooling run has commenced, or that the cooling will perfectly cancel out the warming. That is the provenance of the next overarching set of extremes.
None of this rests on what causes what, it’s just the nature of the beast or, i.e…..it’s behavior.
Journalists should not takes sides, unlike opinion piece writers, and their work should demonstrate as much.

Alan Ogden

This from the National Park Service U.S. Department of the Interior
‘Did You Know?
Glacier National park was named for the glaciers that carved, sculpted, and formed this landscape millions of years ago. Despite the recession of current glaciers, the park’s name will not change when the glaciers are gone’.
Meanwhile on the same page:-
Weekend Update for June 11-12, 2011
Plowing continues on the Going-to-the-Sun Road (Sun Road). Initial plowing has been complete to the Big Bend, five miles beyond the Loop, on the west side. Crews are encountering drifts between 10 and 20 feet. On the east side, crews are plowing the No Stump Point area, approximately one mile beyond Siyeh Bend. There is no date set for when the upper section of the Sun Road will be cleared for across park travel.
http://www.nps.gov/glac/parknews/news11-34.htm

David L

Come on folks… We’ve been through this how many times? It will just be further proof of climate change. Any and all unusual weather is easily attributed to AGW or whatever they’re calling it these days!

Not much of a chance of warm sunny days soon for the UK. Notice lows all over the place:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/charts/FSXX00T_00.jpg
Just remember Grímsvötn and its ash cloud which was 12 miles high (up there in the stratosphere); it has not gone away, and may be up there for some months to come.

MattN

Classic….

Frank K.

Well, well, well…it appears that the BBC tried this same story in 2004…
Snow ‘disappears’ from Snowdon
Last Updated: Monday, 20 December, 2004, 16:25 GMT
The snow is disappearing from Snowdon, scientists have claimed.
A study of the snowline on Wales’ icon mountain has found its winter cap has retreated over the past 10 years.
The area covered in snow has decreased from 56,000 sq metres in the winter of 1994/5 to little more than 25,000 sq metres for the past three winters.
Dr Jeremy Williams, of Bangor University, said: “This data confirms what many gardeners believe – winters are not as hard as they used to be.”
The data collected by experts from the university suggests that a white Christmas on Snowdon – the tallest mountain in England and Wales – may one day become no more than a memory.

Hmmm…where have I heard that idea that snow will become no more than a memory??
Anyhow, fast forward to 2007, and the article cited above…you’ll see that the “report” claiming no more snow for Snowdon was trotted out to support a POLITICAL EVENT
(from the 2007 story)
“A Welsh assembly energy group will discuss the issue at a conference in Cardiff Bay later.”
“An assembly government spokesperson said First Minister Rhodri Morgan is expected to make a statement shortly on the steps Wales will be taking in the fight against climate change over the next few months.”
Dr Clive Walmsley, climate change expert with the Countryside Council for Wales, one of the bodies taking part in Tuesday’s joint meeting in Cardiff Bay.

Now, fast forward to Christmas 2010…
Snowdonia Snow Report
Sat 25th Dec 2010
No further snowfall today. Blanket cover of snow at all levels, mainly powder but also windslab deposits in sheltered locations on mainly W aspects. Ice forming at all levels. Previously compacted paths icy. Ice axe and crampons required.

So, the moral of the story is that some scientists and their willing accomplices in the MSM (in this case the BBC) will say anything to advance their own personal political agendas, even when their evidence is flimsy and unsupported by the facts.

Alexander K

Nothing from the Warmists at the BBC surprises me, but I was looking forward to more warm weather after such a lovely early spring – right now here in Suburban London, it;s raining and we have turned our central heating back on after leaving it turned off for the past month. But as someone said earlier, ole Ma Nature does like to keep to her averages. I sympathise with farmers whose crops are withering in the dry fields, but that kind of risk is part of farming

wws

Maybe in 2022 I will rule the World, And I will appoint all the posters on this blog as my High Ministers!
You can’t Prove it won’t Happen!!!

Walter H

The earth goes through short cycles of 20-30 years…180 years…1,500 years and 100,000 ice cycles. It all has to due with Sun being driven into and out of active sunspot cycles by our solar system four gas giant planets. The sun corkscrews in tight to wide sweeps pulled off course by the varying planets locations. As the sun’s inertia is more radically changed, more sunspots, more radiation, more solar wind, less cosmic rays, fewer clouds, warmer earth, mars and Pluto. When the sun is quiet as it is now, all the above inverses and the PDO shits to cold as it has. Expect the next 20-30 years being much colder. Fear the next ice age more than the planet warming back up to the times of the Romans or Minoans.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

Why don’t people on the left of politics, like those at the BBC, ever get tired of sticking to the party line? Maybe George Clooney will come out with a global warming movie soon. He already made Syriana, a movie filled with political-left exaggerations. Why not make a movie filled with global warming exaggeration? There could be scene of him sweating in Russia, a scene riding in an electric car with Ed Begely, a scene shaking hands with Al Gore at some clandestine meeting about saving the world from evil big industry (they get into private jets to fly away after the meeting), a scene where George Soros is portrayed as a good guy and he funds George to go on some mission to stop skeptics from the progress they are hindering, etc., etc………..

“Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?” – Yossarian, Catch-22
OT but when Heller was interviewed for Playboy in the early 70’s, he hinted that there was a riddle within the story line of that book but wouldn’t reveal what it was. Has anyone reading this perceived what that riddle could be?

Pamela Gray

Ah. That would be a Crater Lake-ish outlier then. Say goodby to weather stations up there reporting for Hansen’s data base.

Pamela Gray

If the UK is that dry, then all I can say is that they must not (according to the prevailing talking point opinion) have any water vapor, thus no CO2, in the air. Mother nature strikes at the heart of AGW again.

red432

A main reason I post anonymously here is that i wouldn’t be too surprised if recent cooling turned around and became significant warming again. In my personal opinion it still wouldn’t be caused (mainly) by CO2 generated by people, but I don’t want people to find my opinion on the subject without talking to me personally since I’m not an expert and don’t profess to be one. I have no idea what is going to happen, and I’m not sure anybody else does either.

Steve Keohane

John Brookes says: June 12, 2011 at 4:44 am
Thinking about a post about the heat in the US? Or does that not interest this site?

The heat in the US? Which part of it? We’re still hitting the 30°s most nights in west central Colorado. The foliage, hummingbirds, and snow runoff are three weeks late this year. I’m sure you can find a heat wave somewhere else.

Shrnfr

@John Brookes, Yes the heat concerns me. Aim afraid my heating system may come on in Boston this morning. It is all of 56F outside at 10 AM.

Wucash

Oh dear, the point I was making is that if you predict definitives it’s bound to blow back in your face. There’s a reason why weather predictions are given in terms of % probability. And yes, they should never have released this blatent propaganda piece, if not for moral reasons, then in terms of not looking silly now.
The wider point I was making is the near certainty some people here talk about the future; ie the apparent coming cooling period (ice age according to some!), there’s not much in terms of evidence to support that, yet some people persist. At least they used to back in winter, but have since then been quieter. Making those kind of predictions is in my view similar to the Beeb’s and the Met’s scaremongering bs.

Don K

John Brookes says:
June 12, 2011 at 4:44 am
“Thinking about a post about the heat in the US? Or does that not interest this site?”
I think bad judgement about climate and weather must be contagious. There’s so much of it around. It’s June for heavens sake. June is a WARM month in the Northern hemisphere. (Has something to do with the solstice I’m told). You’d be hard put to find a spot in North America outside the Arctic that doesn’t occasionally approach or exceed 38C (100F) sometimes in June. It is currently 58F in Burlington, VT at 10:00am and I’m thinking of putting on a sweater. Some other temperatures:
New York 62F
Washington DC 81F
Chicago 56F
Dallas 82F
Denver 57F
Sacramento 52F
Looks like a typical June morning to me. Maybe a bit on the cool side. But it’s hot in DC and Dallas? News bulletin. It’s usually #$&@! hot in both those benighted places in the warm months.

“nature . . . makes bozos of the BBC”
Come now, Anthony – give credit where credit is due.
The BBC doesn’t need any help in that regard – they make bozos of themselves. A lot.

fred houpt

I am writing this on a Sunday morning in Toronto. The wind is blowing, it is overcast and the official temp at the airport is 15C. With the wind blowing it feels a whole lot colder. This entire spring, except for the usual anomalous overly hot one or two day jaunt, it is has been WET, WET, WET and colder than I can recall a spring in many years. Everything is very green, so nature is happy. But enough already with the damned cold and damp. Give me some global warming please over southern Ontario…..
Has anyone been tracking the jet stream? Maybe this is why it is so damned cool over large parts of N.A…..at a time when it is usually very warm.

James Sexton

Funny stuff. Snow is a thing of the past. The fact is, the northern hemisphere’s snow extent has increased over the last 20 years. http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/image5.png. Last night, I trended the last thirty years for North America, http://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/image_thumb7.png?w=829&h=499…… damn beer! I wanted to do twenty to compare, but it can be easily discerned by comparing the two graphs that Eurasia is increasing in snow extent too……….. oh heck…… I’ll just do it in a few……

Philip Peake (aka PJP)

John Brookes says:
June 12, 2011 at 4:44 am
Thinking about a post about the heat in the US? Or does that not interest this site?

You have been listening too much to the US media, which ios all based on the East coast, thus the US weather is always whatever it happens to be in New York.
Here on the West coast, we still have record snow-packs, and a good chance that they won’t completely melt before the next lot begins to fall.
Highest temperatures we have seen (and its been rare) has been in the 70’s. Yesterday saw 71!!!
Portland had its annual Rose Festival with no roses, because all plants are running WEEKS late due to the cold.
So, go ahead and tell us all about that heat in the US (just don;t forget to mention that its restricted to a relatively small area).

JohnM

“they make bozos of themselves. A lot”
On our money.
A totally taxpayer/licence-payer funded far-left/green/communist organisation.
Communism never “went away”, it just morhed into “green”

To be fair, we shouldn’t criticize someone who puts a trendline on a historic temperature curve and projects ad infunitum. Obviously, they are irrecoverably ignorant to reality and deserve our simpathy.

Alan Ogden (June 12, 2011 at 5:09 am)
Yeah – I’ve been following the plowing of Going-to-the-Sun Road in Glacier NP. I have huge sympathies for the crews and what they are facing this year. The photos are unbelieveable.
http://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/going-slowly-on-going-to-the-sun-road/

“suddenly, this week, in summer no less, nature decides that snowfalls won’t be a thing of the past after all”
Another beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.
Conversely, Murray Grainger is correct: the fact that snowy Snowdon lacks camels is affirmation of the merit of the Aussie proposal to shoot (“humanely”, of course) all camels so as to end AGW …

John R. Walker

I live pretty close to Snowdon and the amount of snow on there has more to do with wind direction than temperature. If the wind, and the snow, comes from the north then Snowdon is effectively in the shadow of a range of 3,000 foot peaks to the north (The Glyder Range – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyderau) and that is where the snow mainly falls. From memory, that is mostly what has happened over the last few years. If the snow comes from the S.E. or S.W. then Snowdon will be more heavily covered. There are days when the Glyders are covered down to about 1,000 feet and Snowdon is not. Mount Elidir can have snow on the north facing side and none at all on the south side where it faces Snowdon across the valley. Research which takes snow cover on Mount Snowdon in isolation is effectively meaningless! But that won’t stop research with an agenda…

M D Bergereon

@John Brookes
Take this as a bit of anectdotal evidence on the temperatures in the US, I live in Georgia and Missouri both of which had unusually long and cold winters and meteorological springs this past year. Summer in the meteorological sense is only a couple of weeks old in Missouri with spring temperature lasting until late May. Georgia was a bit closer to normal starting summer temps in early May but, this is only southern Georgia the northern sections were much like Missouri. And as far as the heat is concerned its no where close to abnormal given we are used to temps in the triple digits which I have yet to see.

Verity Jones says:
June 12, 2011 at 8:42 am
>Yeah – I’ve been following the plowing of Going-to-the-Sun Road in Glacier NP.
I went through there in 1974 too, probably July 2nd. (BTW, thank you for linking to my comment in you Massive Drifts post.) It would have been really neat but tough ride, but the park service decided the narrow road was too dangerous for bicyclists and banned them. When I was there, the hue and cry had forced them to reconsider and they were going to open it in the mornings, but not for a week or two.
So I crossed it in the back of a pickup truck driven by a drunk indian. Haven’t been back to take the pictures I missed.