Emails, schmemails – its only harrassment when they do it,

When we thought we had seen all, very much mistaken we were.

After much meditation and internal debate, I have come to the conclusion that Sara Palin is Much better looking than Michael Mann. There really is no comparison there.

That was the first thing i thought when the BBC talked about the ‘release’ of Sarah’s emails. I don’t know much about american politics, but the hypocrisy stank with their differing treatment between that and Climategate.

Well, after all, Sarah Palin’s emails are more important than the future cost of energy. She may have written something that can be tortured into an indication of mental deficiency. The bankruptcy of the individual trying to heat his home, the loss of reliably available power, the ability to power industry, and the base of our way of life pale in comparison to the possibility of a misspelled word.
I love WUWT and the, generally, intelligent comments and discussions but, I can’t help feeling that humanity is headed South, It seems that mankind is good at survival and subsistence but poor at living well. Since we have been freed up from the daily grind of hunting and gatering we have descended into incessant bickering. Outrageous and nonsensical theories, economic, scientific, and otherwise win the day because of human greed and deviousness.
On the other hand, I haven’t had my coffee yet so, everything may be OK anyway.

Mann is politicized and so is Palin. Palin is a politician. What seems to be an intellectual integrity issue with Mann is he wants to be taken as an unbiased scientist while politicizing.
John

Comment in the British press
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-palin-files-inside-the-crazy-world-of-a-presidential-wannabe-2296465.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100091820/american-way-sarah-palin-email-frenzy-backfires-on-her-media-antagonists/

Sarah should have sent her email file to Michael Mann. Then the media would demand that he release everything.

Sarah is a hockey Mom and Mann is a hockey Dad.

Chris F says:
June 12, 2011 at 5:56 am
The left are the most hypocritical and hateful people we have in this country and they continue to expose themselves as such every day.

While its true they expose themselves, the MSM consistently hide it or ignore it. It is only here in the new media that we get a glimpse.

The Left follows Saul Alinsky’s playbook. They are Alinskyites, tried and true. They are not our fellow Americans who look to the best interests of America when in power and who are the loyal opposition when out of power. They are out to destroy America as it was understood by our founders and as it was understood by Democrats as late as the administration of John Kennedy. They are succeeding. The one thing that might stop them is the New Great Depression that they are bringing upon us. What does this have to do with climate science?
Schmidt, Solomon, and Trenberth, along with the editor of PNAS, recently subjected Lindzen to Alinskyite treatment. They violated the rules of PNAS to keep Lindzen’s work from being published and I have no doubt that they would relish the opportunity to publicly brand Lindzen a non-scientist and a crank. That is the Alinskyite method. The struggle over climate science is not something that takes place within science but is the defining political struggle of this generation. It is of a piece with the struggle over Obamacare. The bottom line in both cases is government control and micromanagement of individual lives. To attain such control, the Alinskyites are quite happy to destroy science in the process.

ZT says:
June 12, 2011 at 7:45 am
Sarah is a hockey Mom and Mann is a hockey Dad puck.
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Fixed that for ya.

Inquring minds want to know! How much money does Sarah Palin spend on manicures? Where does she buy her shoes? What’s the gossip on that hubby anyway???
Who cares about boring science! Everyone knows global warming is real.
But, anyway, back to the Palin’s. Does anyone know where she got her cool phone??? My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket… let’s go shopping!!!

Yes, Monique, I am of Italian descent and I live in New York (state) but no, juanslayton, I am not retired. Hunting and gathering here are not very profitable as the US and NY take about 80 cents of every dollar earned. Upstate New Yorkers are beaten and squeezed until every possible drop of wealth is extracted.
Our property taxes (my county has the highest in the nation) run at about 4% of assessed value while downstate (NYC area) and the capital district (where the cheating, lying scumbags (politicians)) live are taxed at about 1.5%.
Politicians aren’t intelligent, atleast not in the way most posters here are. They are adept at misrepresenting facts, awarding contracts to cronies, receiving kickbacks and trying to sell the populace on absurdities (the need for gay marriage as the most viable path to economic prosperity) as opposed to addressing real problems (massive debt and unfathomable amounts in unfunded obligations).
Welcome to my world. As a small business owner, I get a little depressed at times but, the Finger Lakes region is spectacular in the summer.

I don’t think the managers of the Washington Post know how immature they appear. In their rush to destroy what they don’t agree with and to protect liberal causes at all costs, they have destroyed their business.

Sarah Palin has real fire, and has demonstrated it.
Michael Mann pretends to have fire, but won’t show it.
Could the two be any more different?

John_in_Oz says:
June 12, 2011 at 8:39 am
“American political discourse is farcically extreme at the moment, with each side assailing their opposition as if they were a uniform block. The Party that will win your next election will be the ones who can persuade their opposotion (sic) that they share some common ground with them.”
John,
The US of A is nearly bankrupt, from decades of the ‘right’ compromising with the socialist left. The socialist left ‘compromises’ only when it advances their agenda. Otherwise, they divide the voters by pitting race against race, young against old, rich against poor, women against men, children against parents, union members against the majority of hardworking independent workers, legal immigrants and native born citizens against illegal aliens, public sector spending versus private sector creation of wealth, jobs, and tax revenues, etc., etc., etc.
Fundamentally, the ongoing argument is about how we achieve our ‘unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’. Socialists seek government intervention, to redistribute wealth from citizens that earned it to citizens and noncitizens that did not, and create endless layers of regulations to prevent anything they perceive as unacceptable to a socialist society. They are never happy with their ‘successes’, always seeking greater redistribution of wealth and greater regulation of the society. Their unhappiness reflects their conscious and subconscious recognition that they have forfeited their liberty and much control of their life, for the trap of a wealth consuming and often failing government delivery of unearned socialist handouts. Socialism has created a morbidly obese culture and government. The road to economic and cultural health now requires harsh measures to ‘cut the fat’ and restore a lean, agile, and powerful US of A. Do you think we can convince the socialist opposition that our shared common ground is a return to individual responsibility for our lives, much smaller and less intrusive government, and less constraints on capitalism?
The time for ‘compromise’ is past. We are on the cusp of economically and socially destroying our country. From here on, we must progressively dismantle the strangling burdens of socialist welfare programs and socialist regulations and free ourselves of these self-defeating burdens. The socialists will not ‘compromise’ on this. Confrontation is unavoidable…. but absolutely essential, lest this unique first experiment in our representative republic form of state and federal governments perish forever from the face of the earth.

John_in_Oz says:
June 12, 2011 at 8:39 am
Chris F says:
June 12, 2011 at 5:56 am
The left are the most hypocritical and hateful people we have in this country and they continue to expose themselves as such every day.
“I would like to commend to you the idea of avoiding that generalisation in future.
It smears the actions of what I presume are just one reporter across 72 million Democrats the way warmists smear West Antarctic temperatures across the entire continent. Of those 72 million, almost every single individual believes themself to be a person of intelligence, goodwill and integrity. They know that since your claim about them is false, they can’t trust you on any other subject either.
American political discourse is farcically extreme at the moment, with each side assailing their opposition as if they were a uniform block.”
The ignorance shown in this comment, whether willful or not, is breath-taking. The Left has been led since at least the 1960s by Alinskyites who practice semantic warfare to a degree that would have startled Orwell. In Orwell’s time, you had to have the guns to back you up before you could practice unbridled semantic warfare. No longer. Now you have the president of the USA, the AG, all of the Cabinet really, the military Chiefs of Staff, and the entire Democratic hierarchy practicing Semantic Warfare against ordinary language and the nation. What proof do I have?
How about Joe Lieberman? What more do you need? How about “wise latina?’ But here is the clincher. The Alinskyite Left created Rush Limbaugh. They did so through their remarkably aggressive and arrogant debasement of the language. PC means that the Alinskyite Left is permitted to designate what can be said and what cannot be said. Limbaugh lives off the Left’s folly. All he has to do is highlight the most recent egregious piece of semantic legislation and analyze it in terms of ordinary language. That’s all he does. Out of that material he produces great political analysis and hilarious send-ups. Limbaugh is simply ordinary language’s response to the Alinskyite Humpty-Dumpty who insists that words mean exactly what he/she says they mean, nothing more and nothing less.
What does this have to do with climate science? Warmista practice in exactly the same way as the Alinskyite Left. They reserve to themselves the meanings of the terms found in the science. Dispute one of their claims and they will respond in the most arrogant way with the Village Idiot’s typical Begging of the Question by asserting that you do not understand their meaning. Well, Duh, by their definition we do not understand their meaning, until we learn to applaud at the right spots – that is all the understanding that we are permitted and that we deserve. Warmista are now locked inside their Gaia Models and have no contact with human experience of the world. That is by design. Otherwise, they would have to explicate their claims in ordinary language. That they adamantly refuse to do. The extreme example of this sort of thing is Post-Modern Science, so-called, which wants to clear the boards of scientific method, cumulative Natural History, and all empirical evidence. However, scratch the surface of PMS and all you find are relabeled versions of William James’ work found in his article “The Will to Believe.” For example, “The Precautionary Principle” is nothing more than a recycled decision matrix from Jame’s explication of Pascal’s Wager. Will they discuss James? Heavens no! Why? Because their ability to legislate the meanings of terms would be limited by James’ writings and, therefore, their non-reasoning would be laid bare for the world to see.
You doubt the claim that the Democratic hierarchy has bought into Semantic Warfare? Then tell me what the heck “individual mandate” means. Explicate it in ordinary language.

oh for corn sake, I’ve had about enough gee golly references to hockey sticks and gosh darn violence today, so put a sock in it there, or somebody’s going to get their patoot loaded into the hooskow!
That said, you folks seem to be a hecka fun crowd, doncha know, so I’m going to be inviting you to enjoy a little roller hockey (I know – rooooooller skates! but it’s better than nothin’ gee-golly!) out at Hamilton City where the North Valley Hockey kids will be setting up their rink and getting ready to play teams from towns like Antioch and Woodland and even Sonora. These kids are so gosh-darn excited to play hockey they’ll not only do it in roller skates they’ll do it in whatever old warehouse you got – lumber mill, old cold storage unit, whatever you got. We’ll rink it up and put down a few old folding chairs for gramma and grampa and there you go – HOCKEY! Right here in the rice fields of Northern California.
You can also check out the “recreation league” at Cal Skate, that’s starts up again next fall. And there’s a grown-up league. You want to hear something even crazier? Little girls and nice ladies play too! Sugar and spice and SLAPSHOTS!
Of course, we’re soliciting donations – hey, be the first one to get your fancy big ad on our wall of fame! See our website at http://nvhsc.org/
Yep, shameless plug, geeshy sakes!
So, you kids mind your p’s and q’s and keep that stick on the…er….cement… THANKS ANTHONY! Hope to see you rinkside!

Mike Mangan says:
June 12, 2011 at 8:25 am
“Instapundit is my all time favorite blog.”
I second that…Instapundit is my go-to blog for…well…nearly everything (I come to WUWT for climate news :^)!
One Instapundit staple that we should adopt here at WUWT is the term “Unexpectedly.” For example, we all know the economy is lousy, but Reuters, AP, and other MSM outlets always include this term in their headlines when they can’t figure out why the economy is not doing better under Obama, as in “Unemployment unexpectedly rises to 9%!”
So, we should apply the term to events which confound the climate alarmists, such as “Snowpack in Colorado is unexpectedly at record levels!” or “The rate of sea level rise declines unexpectedly!”

Frank K. says:
June 12, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Good suggestion! A little push-back in the semantic war.

Theo Goodwin.
Thanks for bringing up Alinsky…I’ll check him out.
But I should add that the creative use of language by the Greens leaves the rest of us dangling in the wind.
My two favourite examples of this type of ‘semantic warfare’ are:
‘Greenpeace’…how can anyone be opposed to GREEN PEACE?…Because of the way language works – being opposed to Green Peace means that you are in favour of BROWN WAR (or thereabouts).
But their greatest success, the area where they have literally taken the high ground…is the term GREEN HOUSE EFFECT. Anyone who has ever entered a greenhouse knows it is a HEAT TRAP and that the heat is trapped by a physical barrier…anyone who understands the actual science of convection and radiation understands that what happens five or ten miles above our heads is complex but that there is no physical barrier to heat loss between the atmosphere and space. Maybe this is why they don’t like us flying…that temperature gauge on the inflight display is very educational! Even skeptical scientists are forced to used terms like ‘greenhouse gases’.
Until such times as we come up with better terminology to describe our atmospheric ‘blanket’ we cannot win over the doubters.

The comparison: Both losers.

Hey Footagus –
Like AGW, its about the statstics —
I don’t care that the wealthiest 20% own 83% of the wealth,
the American experience has always been the the distribution of the rest was sufficient to create the largest
and wealthiest middle class in history, and for that matter, the wealthiest bottom 20% as well.
Also, that 20% probably is about 40% of the workforce…hardly a tiny elite.
— Oh and wealth, mostly isn’t distributed — it is earned.
So how many tree rings do you need to figure out a “fair” distribution of wealth?

“I hate to break it to you, but gutting the government and the remaining social programs isn’t about Socialism, it’s about handing the reins of power to Corporate America and hoping that they will throw you a few bucks when they open a new Walmart down the road. Good luck with that.”
I always love the angst some people have against “corporations”. Does that include “The Corporation for Public Broadcasting”? How about small businesses and one person LLCs (guess what the C stands for)?
Corporations are, in the end, PEOPLE! PEOPLE who run, invest in, and contribute to business. Don’t like a particular corporation? Then stop purchasing goods from them! You are free to seek alternatives. But don’t tell other people who they can or can not purchase goods from! I personally love shopping at my Walmart!
If you still don’t like corporations and think they all suck, then start your own business and show us all how it’s done. You can even be a non-profit if you want!
And finally, about redistributing wealth. If you think taking money from rich people and giving it to the poor will solve all our problems, think again. When you tell someone they can only earn 10 cents on the dollar when their income is above a certain threshold, you can be sure they won’t have any incentive to earn any more than they have to in order to avoid the penalty. This is why “taxing the rich” will never work in the long run. And on the other side, giving someone something for nothing ensures that the person receiving the something will continue to do nothing to get their something. This is why Socialism never works in the long run (at least without the use of force by the government).

Senator Obama understood the problem in 2006. Why can’t Our Dear Leader ($3Trillion in debt later and counting…) and his feckless supporters, grasp that fundamental truth today?

Easy answer. 0bama never actually understood anything.
He has different speech writers today than he did then.
And different people are pulling his strings now.
The level of hypocrisy shown by the media is breathtaking, and this Palin vs. Climategate example is but one of many. Usually once I point out to someone what a “weasel word” is in a climate article, they soon realize that the entire “news industry” is either corrupted, or simply meaningless entertainment. The rare occasion when they are actually reporting news or covering an event is still awash with political point-scoring and climate brainwashing. It’s foul, and it’s disgusting, but it’s the reality we are dealing with.
And for the record, no, Foxnews is not “right wing”, not even close. It’s just that media coverage is so far out to the left that anything close to the middle starts to look far-right in comparison…

Mann, Sarah Palin? Both extremists in their own way. Problem is that Mann has more influence.

Theo Goodwin says:
June 12, 2011 at 8:03 am
[….] They are out to destroy America as it was understood by our founders and as it was understood by Democrats as late as the administration of John Kennedy

The Democrats have been subverting the Constitutional Republic since before the American Civil War. Education and related academic disciplines related to science have been undermined by increasing socialism since the late 19th Century and early 20th Century, particularly with the Upton reforms. The Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt Administrations were especially involved with packing the Supreme Court of the United States and inferior courts with a judiciary dedicated to implementing social engineering through court decisions beyond the scope of powers granted to the Federal Government by the U.S. Constitution. Current court decisions often cite precedent cases from the Supreme Court justices appointed by the Roosevelt and Truman Administrations. The usurpation of the limiited government power granted by the U.S. Constitution such as the regulation of Commerce and Education began long before the Kennedy Administration. Communists and socialists have played key roles in the Administrations of Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt, before the Kennedy Administration.
The role of communism and socialism in U.S. education and science is as old as the roots of communism and socialism. Oppenheimer’s relationship with communism was in no respect non-representative of the period in which he was a part of the educatonal establishment.

Considering I feel that both are capable of similar tactics to avoid the embarrassment light sheds on being a crummy person, I am not surprised that the two are comparable.