Things we don't know – about climate

This is a guest post by Paul Murphy – and I’d like to thank Mr. Watts for giving me this opportunity to present it here.

This is a very long post by WUWT standards – nearly 3,000 words all driving toward the basic conclusion that what we know about global warming is pretty much nothing: we’ve no baseline, so don’t know if it’s happening; we’ve no cost/benefit evaluation so don’t know whether it would be net positive or net negative; if it is happening we don’t understand its causation and if it isn’t we don’t understand why not; and really the only thing we’re pretty sure of is that the people jumping up and down screaming that they have the answers are either deluded or charlatans.

I drafted this article on November 19th, 2010. At about ten that morning the weather channel, which gets its data for Lethbridge, Alberta from environment Canada and thus ultimately from sensors less than ten kilometers from my house, said the temperature was -17C. At that same time, however, the sensors about four feet above my roof reported a temperature of -19.2C.

By coincidence, and again according to the weather channel, the all time record low for November here, -35.6C, was set on that same day in 1921.

The source number for that claim, presumably 32.08F, is actually an interpolation from various agricultural research and military facilities across southern Alberta, because the airport weather station has been moved a few times and many of the source records lost – but it should be obvious in any case that neither the thermometers in use at airports in 1921 nor the processes in place to record temperature supported anything like that level of precision.

So how cold was it here before I left that morning? there’s really no way to know – and how did that compare to 1921? I don’t know that either.

What I do know is that the values shown were averages taken over time; that neither instrument is predictably accurate to even one decimal place; and that the air between the two is of variable depth, variable humidity, in constant motion, and had markedly less than one chance in twenty-two of being at a real average temperature of -18.1C at about 10 AM that day.

So how does this extrapolate to sticking a thermometer into the troposphere to estimate our planet’s near ground air temperature? Well, in total the world has less than one sensor for every sixty thousand square kilometers; about three quarters of them are closely grouped in the United States, western Europe, and the militarily significant part of southeastern Russia; almost none have trustworthy time-of-readings records for more than a few years; most of the records are both short and discontinuous; most of the readings are accurate only within loose bounds; and an unknown proportion of the time series supposedly formed from instrument readings contain unknown interpolations.

There are other sources of information. For example, weather satellites have produced records for perhaps half the earth’s surface since about the mid seventies – but those records too have unknown source errors; may now contain accumulated and largely undocumented differences from the source data; show significant coverage bias favoring areas important to civil aeronautics; and are generally accessible only in the form of time series whose values are derived from real measurements pertaining mainly to the upper troposphere through calculations calibrated against the same ground sensor readings they’re used to extend and correct.

In contrast many of the proxy records are both long and internally consistent – but they don’t help because these are very coarse grained: whether they’re based on isotope decay or tree rings, the best “rulers” these produce are location specific and marked in decadal or century intervals, not globally applicable and marked in seasons or years.

The bottom line on this is simple: I can’t pretend to know the temperature within a few kilometers of my house right now to within a couple of degrees C without making basic scientific errors in everything from measurement and imagined precision to application – and when people like Jones and Hansen announce in all apparent seriousness that the entire earth is now 0.5C degrees warmer than it was during the period from 1961 to 1990 they’re asking us to accept a very precise number on the basis of data that’s much worse than mine and in the face of applicability, measurement, and computational ambiguities that are orders of magnitude greater.

There seem to be two arguments for not dismissing their claims as nonsense. First, that we don’t need to know the atmosphere’s temperature now because climate science is about change and X + 0.7 degrees will have visible effects regardless of the value of X. The Polar bear, for example, will go extinct and Manhattan will flood – except that we’re pretty sure the medieval warming period was just one of many such in history and not only did the polar bear make it through those embarrassingly undead, but what’s known of civilizational history in estuaries and around tidal basins from the Thames to the Yellow does not suggest the existence of longer term human noticeable flooding during any of those extended warm periods.

Second there’s the Foundation myth: the belief that it’s possible to predict the direction and extent of motion of something like a collection’s center of mass (or the chartrist’s Dow Jones average) without knowing anything about the motion of the individual units involved – or, in other words, that we can predict where a herd of cattle will go when stampeded without needing to know where they started, how many there were, what frightened them, much about the land they’re on, the direction each animal starts in, or even whether they’re actually cattle.

The Frank Slide took place on April 29th of 1903, about an hour’s drive from here when an estimated 90 million tons of limestone tipped off Turtle Mountain to bury the people, their town, and the railway beneath an estimated two kilometer rubble run-out. This slide hasn’t moved much since, has been extensively studied, is comprised of materials for which the basic physics of motion and energy transfer are well understood – and yet the best we can do in terms of placing its center of mass is plus or minus about fifty meters – roughly on the same order of accuracy as predicting yesterday’s temperature in Lethbridge to within a few degrees.

Basically the Foundation idea is intuitively obvious and makes for great science fiction, but the reality of any analysis aimed at actually making it work is that you need a secure grip on starting conditions, an understanding of the physics of change, strong boundaries on the range of change, and a small enough data set to make the simulation computationally feasible – so if you’ve ever wondered why the best known climate models come down to thirty or forty years of encrusted tinkering you now know: these models are continually adjusted to predict their own inputs, but cannot reliably predict excessions because the underlying climate science does not meet any of the conditions required for this kind of modeling to work.

So what do we know? We know that many of the people warning us of the horrible consequences of human caused global warming haven’t been the disinterested scientists they’ve pretended to be – basically from Hansen and Jones to Gore and Waxman most of the more deeply committed have shown themselves deeply corrupted. That’s sad, but even sadder is the hidden reality: that knowing Mann and Bradley made up the hockey stick to defend a lie doesn’t tell us anything about global climate change – it just tells us things we didn’t want to know about them.

Most people, of course, know the numbers don’t work but rationalize accepting alarmist conclusions anyway because they think that “greenhouse science” – the belief that increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere will cause traumatic global warming – is settled; and so see the lack of response to increasing atmospheric CO2 in weather data as a reflection on the quality of the data, not the theory.

Basically these people assume the wolf to justify the alarm: picturing Gore et al as yelling “Wolf!” because “greenhouse science” proves the wolf – and then excusing the business of rather obviously drawing improbable conclusions from inadequate data as laudable and necessary moral sacrifice by experts committed to rousing the rest of us to action.

Unfortunately the science on greenhouse gas effects is not only not settled, the claims made for it seem rather more likely to be wrong than right.

Specifically, the usual assertion is that human actions distort natural processes to negative effect – with the supporting proposition being that the planetary atmosphere will trap more solar energy, thus causing atmospheric heating, when it contains relatively more greenhouse gases, particularly CO2, then when it contains relatively less.

The classic demonstration for this involves adding CO2 to the air in only one of a pair of similar, closed, containers; exposing both to a radiant heat source until the containers reach equilibrium with the surrounding atmosphere; and then comparing one or both of the internal temperature and/or duration of the cool down period for the two. Do it, and you’ll find that the one containing some additional CO2 retains more heat and the claim is that this demonstrates the greenhouse effect.

It doesn’t. The experiment actually demonstrates two things about heat energy capture and storage: first, that increasing density increases heat storage capacity; and, second, that increasing the volume being heated at some constant rate increases the rate of energy transfer. Imagine the same experiment with the addition of a piece of non reflective metal material of comparable weight to the CO2 placed in the jar previously containing only air. What you would find is that the jar containing the CO2 changes internal temperature more quickly than the one with the metal sliver does, but that the total energy transfers are about the same.

Basically doing only the first half of the experiment and not thinking about the result supports the case, but going beyond that does not – and neither does looking at what real world extrapolation from the jar experiment might mean.

Most importantly, the material in the CO2 enriched jar is of a fixed mass, in a fixed state, and there is no expectation that its energy absorption and retention rates will change over time. Imagine glimpsing the earth from some significant distance and it can look just like that: a gravitational container filled with air and a bit of heavier stuff in the center. But up close, time passes and things happen: water and greenhouse gases move into and out of the atmosphere, mixing occurs at different rates both vertically and horizontally, some surfaces are net radiators, others net absorbers – overall the longer term energy balance seems to work, but many of the specifics and nearly everything about the rates of change involved, are neither understood in the science nor modeled in the jar experiment.

For most purposes the biggest difference between the experiment and reality is that in the real world there’s only one jar: i.e. the CO2 introduced into the test jar comes from the test jar. Thus it’s true that the materials in the planetary jar change state over time – trees grow, coal burns – but because the total mass in the jar is very nearly constant, the assumption that the input energy is roughly constant means that the total amount of heat energy the entire system can hold in long term equilibrium against the space around it has to be close to a constant too – and thus that a glaciated world cannot become tropical without significant change in energy input.

Thus the bottom line on the argument that alarmists can justify patching over weaknesses and contradictions in the data they purport to base their conclusions on because the effect of increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere is certain, is perhaps best illustrated in a joke generations of mathematicians have told about an experimental physicist testing the proposition that all odd numbers are prime: “1”, he says, “is, so is 3, -and 5, 7, 9, umm, 9, umm, 11 is, 13 is, 17 is, 19” -ok, they’re all prime and nine? experimental error, it’ll come out right next time.

So if we can’t believe in the data, the people, or the “settled science”, what can we believe? Perhaps that a hypothetical Canadian Canute party offering a credible commitment to end winter would win in a landslide? Or, more seriously, that all the fuss about whether or not humans are influencing global climate change has allowed the alarmist lobby to insert an obvious falsehood into the public consciousness on this issue: the belief that even minor global warming will produce terrible harm when what we know of both history and biology says the contrary is far more likely to be true.

By 10 PM on the evening of November 19th, for example, it was about -27 here with the wind chill dropping that down to an effective -40 something: an environment just as much the opposite of the green and fecund jungle most of the earth’s life has evolved in as the driest deserts in north Africa, central Asia, and Australia.

Come spring the area around here will go green with rain and erupt with life: people in our parks, ducks on our lakes, fawns in our coulees – and the water cycle effects that might well go with even a few degrees increase in “average” atmospheric temperaure worldwide might do the same for the roughly one third of the earth’s potentially arable land that’s now too dry or too cold for agriculture.

So there’s something else we don’t know: why do “greens”, people who profess to favor life and bio diversity in all its forms, so strongly oppose change most likely to strongly favor life and bio-diversity?

The obvious answer, that many of the leaders involved are merely using environmentalism as a handy bludgeon for the achievement of unrelated political or monetary goals, may well be correct, but is merely an ad hominem argument allowing us to dismiss them while telling us nothing about either the desirability or reality of anthropomorphic global warming.

So when you get down to it, what we know about global warming is pretty much nothing: we’ve no baseline, so don’t know if it’s happening; we’ve no cost/benefit evaluation so don’t know whether it would be net positive or net negative; if it is happening we don’t understand its causation and if it isn’t we don’t understand why not; so really the only thing we’re pretty sure of is that the people jumping up and down screaming that they have the answers are either deluded or charlatans.

Wow – so because I haven’t a clue how to go about getting the information needed to address any of this, I’m going to do what I did at about this time back on November 19th: throw another log on the fire, and watch The Good Guys on TV.

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spangled drongo
December 26, 2010 4:33 pm

Steve M says it well here:
Steve McIntyre
Posted Dec 26, 2010 at 7:05 PM | Permalink | Replythe only content left is that Hansen’s adjustment has changed and you don’t like the direction.
The changes in the GISS US temperature adjustments since August 2007 are very large (~0.3 deg C) relative to the size of the trend in the most studied and measured area of the globe. Surely that deserves to be noticed and explained regardless of the direction. The size of the change is surely very surprising regardless of the direction.
Hansen et al 2010 is a very recent publication on GISS methodology, but did not contain a reconciliation of why the new adjustments differ so remarkably from adjustments believed to be satisfactory at the time of AR4. It is surely Hansen’s job to present a mathematical rationale for why these new adjustments are correct relative to the former adjustments. Why didn’t the peer reviewers ask Hansen for such a reconciliation? At present, I don’t know whether the changes arise in modifications at GISS or at USHCN or both. If people critical of my merely noting the new adjustments can clarify this point, I’m sure that readers would appreciate such a reconciliation.

December 26, 2010 4:34 pm

“The source number for that claim, presumably 32.08F, is actually an interpolation from various agricultural research and military facilities across southern Alberta, because the airport weather station has been moved a few times and many of the source records lost – but it should be obvious in any case that neither the thermometers in use at airports in 1921 nor the processes in place to record temperature supported anything like that level of precision. “
But they would have the capability to measure +/- 1 F. If the record was -32F, which is -35.55555 C, they would reasonably round that to -35.6 C. No dastardly averaging or over-precision or interpolating is needed.
“Second there’s the Foundation myth: the belief that it’s possible to predict the direction and extent of motion of something like a collection’s center of mass (or the chartrist’s Dow Jones average) without knowing anything about the motion of the individual units involved”
Well, in physics this is known as conservation of momentum, and yes, it is quite possible to predict that the center of mass of a diver jumping from a diving board will be very close to a parabola independent of how he tucks or waves his arms. It is quite possible to predict the distributions of speed of a gas knowing just the type of gas and the temperature.
I will admit that the “motion” of the stock market or a herd of cattle or the climate is more complex than freefall motion. I will admit that prediction of the “motion” of the climate has so many more variables that it is a challenging problem to make any decent predictions. But it is certainly possible in principle to predict a general trend without knowing all the individual bits.
Is climate science to the place where it can make accurate predictions of the global conditions years into the future? Clearly not. But the goal of science to to do the best with what you have, and to keep working to be better. It would be defeatist to say “Since I can’t predict the stock markets, it is impossible to predict the climate.”
““greenhouse science” – the belief that increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere will cause traumatic global warming – is settled”
A strawman argument — this is not how most scientists would define “greenhouse science”. If you drop the word “traumatic”, then I suspect most scientists would be pretty comfortable with the statement (other perhaps than the word “belief”). The absorption of IR by these gases and the warming affect it has IS settled science. Of course, other feedbacks and other affect ALSO play a major role in global temperatures, but that would not be “greenhouse science”.
With the word “traumatic”, then scientists should hang back (and to their detriment, they have not been good at doing that). You rightly call out Hansen and Jones to Gore and Waxman for being overly dramatic (but please don’t malign science by including Gore and Waxman as “scientists” 😉 ).
“The classic demonstration for this involves adding CO2 to the air in only one of a pair of similar, closed, containers; exposing both to a radiant heat source…”
This is a strawman argument at its finest! This (and your following discussion) is NOT the rational for the greenhouse effect.
It is a simple fact is that earth’s surface is much warmer than the temperature calculated from the incoming radiation from the sun and the outgoing radiation from the surface. The only way for this to occur is if something else is also providing energy to the earth’s surface (unless you can get around Conservation of Energy). That something is radiation from the atmosphere (ie greenhouse gases emitting radiation down toward the surface). Again, there are many other factors that come into the equation, like evaporation and clouds, but the “greenhouse effect is clearly one part of that equation.
Doing the experiment you suggest is certainly possible. Dealing with any differences in mass, heat capacity, thermal conductivity … is pretty straightforward and you are kidding yourself if you think a competent scientist trying the experiment you describe wouldn’t have thought of all your concerns. But the experiment you describe is NOT the only way (or even the best way) to show the “greenhouse effect”.
“So there’s something else we don’t know: why do “greens”, people who profess to favor life and bio diversity in all its forms, so strongly oppose change most likely to strongly favor life and bio-diversity? “
I see this as yet one more strawman argument, on two counts. 1) Not all biodiversity is supported by “greens” — for example, they are typically not for increasing diversity by introducing invasive species. I would say the “green” goal is more to maintain the status quo; to maintain the natural balance. 2) Many people would contest your claim that raising the temperature would increase diversity. It would certainly move species around, but that will not a priori increase diversity.
“Wow – so because I haven’t a clue … ”

cal
December 26, 2010 4:35 pm

Although I agree with much of this post I am worried by its discussion of the bottle experiment. This is a simple experiment that you would show to 11 year olds. It proves only one thing: that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation well and dry air does not. In this narrow sense it is a good experiment but it is proving something that is an irrefuteble scientific fact: it adds nothing to the debate about climate. By discussing it in the context of global climate one gives the experiment a value that it does not deserve. Those showing the experiment are trying to suggest that the tube is in some way a model for how the climate system works. This is bizarre since the tube has almost nothing in common with the climate system. It is the lack of relevance that we need to focus on not the experimental details.

Douglas
December 26, 2010 4:38 pm

Onion says:
December 26, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Things we don’t know – about climate
Of the things we do know about climate, we know that CO2 is rising due to human emissions, that CO2 levels are already at 850,000 year highs, that they are probably at 15 million year highs. That the rate of CO2 rise may have no precedent for even longer. We know that CO2 is likely to rise much higher this century. We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and a significant contributor to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth. We know that the CO2 rise will have a warming effect and that it will lower ocean surface pH. We know that temperature changes and ocean pH changes will induce changes in yet more climate components. A kind of cascading effect.
When we look for reassurance that the cascade will be minor and inconsequential and safe, we find no reassurance. Because the things we need to know to conclude CO2 is not a problem are…
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Onion Baby – You have just made a good case for the things that you don’t know about climate – My advice – quit while you have the chance.
Douglas

RoyFOMR
December 26, 2010 4:39 pm

Let me get this straight. The Science is not settled?
Is that correct? According to RC, climate science from climate science, and Al Gore, inventor of the Imternet, doomsayer of rising sea levels, beach-front investor and the best president that the US never had, I thought the Science was settled, the masses had pressed the right button and that 97% of 40 odd climate-fundees had said, yes it is!
Next you’ll be telling me that James Hansen is a brilliant but totally deluded activist.
How is this possible? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could be seduced by government funding, foreign travel and expense-free drinky-poos to peddle lots of little White lies.
Sincere question. Is it possible that we may have been lied to?

Darren Parker
December 26, 2010 4:39 pm

The transparent bottle experiment is never conducted properly because the non-co2 container needs to have air in at the average humidity of the planet at the tropics as this is where mostyy of the suns eneregy is received. The second container being highly humid actually retains the heat better than the pure co2 container. if the second container is very dry air the co2 wins every time. this is the classic mistake they made over on the treehugger.forums.

Darren Parker
December 26, 2010 4:41 pm

The ocean can’t have a lower pH if it get’s warmer at the same time – you can’t have both Onion. How do you keep your pepsi cold and fizzy?

SkepticAll
December 26, 2010 4:41 pm

The most interesting thing in reading this article is the selection of replies. As a skeptic, I’ve been perusing articles by proponents and opponents of AGW [and I do believe that’s anthropoGENIC, not anthropomorphic] and what struck me most forceably about the anti-AGW comments here is that they are almost identical in tone to those I’ve seen on pro-AGW articles / sites.
I think I’m going to keep my skeptical viewpoint right now, which means I’m taking nobody’s word for it. I certainly will do more to stay informed about both sides of the issue, though, unlike many posters I’ve seen in my travels.

December 26, 2010 4:46 pm

Dave Springer says:
December 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm
“Anyone who begins to question the physics of greenhouse gases in the most basic form of working as an insulator is, quite honestly, an example of the cranks that give informed CAGW skeptics a bad reputation through association.”
If the atmosphere were more substantial than it is. Just 10Km yields 75% of its mass.
If it exhibited a temperature rather higher than minus 60°C at the 10km margin or minus 85°C at about 17km above the equator.
If atmospheric gas were to be somehow chained to a fixed location and non convecting (thereby elevating heat at a rapid rate through this thin medium).
If there were no wind at the surface.
If a cooling stratosphere (loaded with ozone the best greenhouse gas of them all) were to be allied with falling surface temperature.
If my thermos continued to work when the vacuum is no longer.
If radiation from the surface was the only means of heat escape.
If the surface warmed on cloudy days.
And, if I couldn’t think of any other reason why the Earth has warmed.
Then, I might agree with you. But in the meantime count me amongst the cranks that you would rather not associate with and I will count you amongst the guys why elevate a singular physical principle to the position where it overwhelms all other forces that play a role in determining the outcome, or worse, is considered wholly deterministic all on its very own.

LazyTeenager
December 26, 2010 4:55 pm

Paul says
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and really the only thing we’re pretty sure of is that the people jumping up and down screaming that they have the answers are either deluded or charlatans.
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And since Anthony’s readership is jumping up down and screaming that they have the answers this means that…….

richard verney
December 26, 2010 4:56 pm

It is the arrogance of man that he expects to know everything and to understand everything when if acting truthfully, he should admit that he knows little and understands even less.
In truth, we do not know what is the ideal temperature for the earth. We do not know what is the ideal temperature for human kind, the species. We therefore do not know whether the earth is too hot or too cold, or whether it would be beneficial for humans if the world was warmer or cooler.
Obviously, we have no accurate record of temperatures prior to the instrument record. Any reconstruction of prior temperatures is at best a guestimate. Unfortunately, we have made so many adjustments to the instrument record that we no longer have any idea as to the precise temperatures during the instrument period still less the recent trends. As a result, we do not know whether the earth is currently warming or cooling or if so by how much.
We do not understand what processes may control climate. There are probably many components that we do not know even exist and since we do not know of their existence, we cannot know of their workings. There are many components that we know exist that we do not know how they work nor what influence they have. Even as regards CO2, we may know something of its behavoir in isolation but we do not know how it behaves in the real world. ie., when mixed in atmospheric proportions.
We do not know whether humans the species is having any influence on the climate and if so why this might be the case (eg., pollutants, CO2 emissions, urbanisation, deforestation. land use etc).
Given this state of knowledge, or rather the lack of it, one cannot help wandering why we are so concerned with the conjecture that manmade CO2 emissions are a problem given that they form only a very small component of the CO2 that exists naturally in the atmosphere.
What little evidence that exists suggests that a warmer planet would be a good thing such that we have time on our side such that any sane scientist would say lets get an accurate record of temperatures and since global warming is not a global problem but rather a local issue lets evaluate the data on a country by country basis so that we can determine what effect it may have on the population in any given area and the food production/water supply in that area.
Further, the present uncertainty suggests that adaption (if truly needed) is a better policy than mitigation (of what in all probability is a non problem).
Unfortunately, the least intelligent life form on planet earth often ends up as a politican.

R. Shearer
December 26, 2010 4:59 pm

Noblesse Oblige says:
December 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Humans are more predictable than climate. Follow the money. It beats thermodynamics everytime.
Priceless!

Mike.
December 26, 2010 5:03 pm

For sure the nitpickers will be here in abundance, but the OP has done his job. Invariably, some of the info out there could almost have you argue with yourself, more than that, it is the miniscule paragraph disclaimer, goes something like, “no-one completely understands the complexity of anomalous weather systems but the trend is…”

richard verney
December 26, 2010 5:04 pm

I have never seen the jar experiment conducted with say air but with CO2 at 290 ppm, and air but with CO2 at 380ppm, and air but with CO2 at 500ppm.
Why have these experiments not been done, or is it that the accuracy of the measuring equipment could not detect the difference in temperature between these gas mixtures?
Of course such an experiment does not reflect the real world wherein changes in cloud formation may negative entirely the effect of additional concentrations of CO2.

DN
December 26, 2010 5:07 pm

Onion@4:08,
Your list of the things we supposedly DO know about climate is so riddled with fallacies that I hardly know where to begin. Let’s take it a phrase at a time, shall we?
1) “Of the things we do know about climate, we know that CO2 is rising due to human emissions”
– Nonsense. We know that CO2 is rising and we know that human activities – principally consumption of fossil fuels but also manufacture of cement – produce CO2. But regardless of whether it is true, it is also irrelevant, because there is no empirical evidence to support the thesis that CO2 (let alone the tiny proportion of atmospheric CO2 that qualifies as ‘anthropogenic’) is a significant contributor to global temperatures. Even the IPCC acknowledges that most of the alleged 20th Century temperature increase occurred before 1940, while most of the allegedly anthropogenic CO2 increase occurred after 1950 (see 4AR, Report of WG 1, Chap 2, p. 137). Until this discrepancy is explained, there is no reason to suspect CO2 (let alone anthropogenic CO2) is the key player in temperature forcing.
2) “that CO2 levels are already at 850,000 year highs, that they are probably at 15 million year highs. That the rate of CO2 rise may have no precedent for even longer”
– wrong again. During the Late Carboniferous and Early Permian periods (ca. 270-300 MY ago), for example, both temperatures and CO2 concentrations were similar to today’s levels. In the late Ordovician period (ca. 450 MY ago), however, temperatures were low – as low as current temperatures – while CO2 concentrations were 10 times higher than they are today (see Monte Hieb, “Climate and the Carboniferous Period”, 21 March 2009; [http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html]). CO2 levels are in fact at an historic low (see Ian Plimer, Heaven and Earth, p. 490), to the point where the Earth has been described as being in a “CO2 famine” (Testimony of Dr. Will Happer, “Update on the Latest Global Warming Science”, US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, 25 February 2009. Dr. Happer is the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics at Princeton University; his full testimony may be found at [http://epw.senate.gov/ public/ index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=84462e2d-6bff-4983-a574-31f5ae8e8a42]).
3) “We know that CO2 is likely to rise much higher this century.”
– Based on a linear projection of the past 150+ years, you’re probably right. But whether CO2 concentrations increase or not tells us (a) nothing about whether the rise is due to human activities, and (b) nothing about the role of CO2 in influencing climate.
4) “We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and a significant contributor to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth.”
– We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and we know for a fact that it CANNOT be a “significant contributor” to the greenhouse effect that warms the Earth. Significance is established in relation to other factors, and the single most important greenhouse factor in Earth’s atmosphere is water vapour, which is both 4 times as potent a greenhouse agent, and is 10 times as prevalent in the atmosphere as a whole, and up to 100 times as prevalent near the surface. Compared to water vapour – which no one is trying to regulate – CO2 is simply not a “significant contributor” to Earth’s greenhouse effect.
5) “We know that the CO2 rise will have a warming effect”
– this is an hypothesis (actually, it is the AGW hypothesis in a nutshell). It has not been demonstrated by experimentation. And in fact it has been falsified by observed data. As Henrik Svensmark put it: “over the past 500 million years, there has been no correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature; over the past million years, there has been a correlation, with increases in temperature preceding increases in carbon dioxide concentrations; over the past 10,000 years there has been no correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature; and over the past 100 years, there has been a “rough link” between increasing carbon dioxide and temperature.” (Henrik Svensmark and Nigel Calder, The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change (Cambridge, UK: Icon Books, 2007), 247.) However, the existence of a “rough link” over the past century cannot explain away the absence of any statistically relevant correlation between CO2 concentrations and temperatures over any other time period. Nor can it explain away the past 10-12 years, which have seen an increase in CO2 concentrations but a decline in temperatures – something which none of the IPCC models predicted (IPCC 4th AR, Summary for Policymakers, Figure SPM.5 [http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf]).
6) “and that it will lower ocean surface pH.”
– again, this is conjecture, and it flies in the face of a much better understood scientific discipline, chemistry. The oceans are basic, and carbon dioxide is continually removed by deposition of calcium carbonate from shell-forming organisms. Biologically significant ocean acidification is unlikely to happen in the future because it did not happen in the past, when CO2 concentrations were upwards of 10 times as high as they are today.
7) “We know that temperature changes and ocean pH changes will induce changes in yet more climate components. A kind of cascading effect.”
– This suggestion is unfounded in science. I suggets you stop watching Roland Emmerich films.
8) “When we look for reassurance that the cascade will be minor and inconsequential and safe, we find no reassurance. Because the things we need to know to conclude CO2 is not a problem are…”
– …listed above. The bottom line is this: the lack of any statistically relevant correlation between CO2 concentrations and temperature precludes a causal relationship – except to the extent, per the Vostok and other ice cores, that increasing temperatures appear to lead to increasing CO2 concentrations, an unsurprising conclusion to anyone who has left an open beer to warm up on the counter.
I suggest you drink the beer and stop worrying about doomsday.
Happy New Year. I promise, the evil CO2 won’t get you.
– DN

LazyTeenager
December 26, 2010 5:08 pm

More seriously you could apply this species of argument just as validly , not just to the climate, but to everything. The result you would get is ridiculous.
This tells you that the argument is just a big lump of sophistry.
In practice people make decisions in the face of imperfect knowledge all the time. They apply their judgment, however imperfectly, to assess future risk. They do not say:
“my knowledge is imperfect
therefore I know nothing
therefore I should never take action”.

Edward Bancroft
December 26, 2010 5:17 pm

The classic demonstration for this involves adding CO2 to the air in only one of a pair of similar, closed, containers; exposing both to a radiant heat source until the containers reach equilibrium with the surrounding atmosphere; and then comparing one or both of the internal temperature and/or duration of the cool down period for the two. Do it, and you’ll find that the one containing some additional CO2 retains more heat and the claim is that this demonstrates the greenhouse effect.
Once the containers have reached their equilibrium temperature states and the IR source is removed, the container with the most CO2 will cool the quicker. All this demonstrates is the basic property of any IR active gas, such as CO2 or water vapour, to absorb and re-emit IR energy. It has a relevance to the Earth’s atmosphere though, in that adding more IR active gas will tend to cool the atmosphere more at nightime, compensating for the slight increase in temperature in the daytime, assuming that the sky is not covered by cloud.

Richard Patton
December 26, 2010 5:31 pm

Theo Goodwin:
Good practical suggestion on demonstrating variability of temperatures in an area. I am a retired meteorologist and I have a site on wunderground.com (http://tinyurl.com/2eaox8a) and I KNOW that my sensors read at least a deg or two high from what they would if I could site them with ‘no closer than 30′ from structures, over grass, etc.’ that is necessary for accurate reading-it’s just not possible. Also not possible is elimination of UHI effect and even with that my sensors read cooler than most in the PDX area on a clear cool night! (including the multi thousand dollar government sensor only a mile from my place). What hope is there for knowing what the temperature “truly” is and if we’ve had any warming or cooling?

Edward Bancroft
December 26, 2010 5:35 pm

Of the things we do know about climate, we know that CO2 is rising due to human emissions, Also, less is absorbed because reduced forest coverage and the greater use of agriculture?
that CO2 levels are already at 850,000 year highs, that they are probably at 15 million year highs. From ice records, yes, but from plant stomata records, no.
That the rate of CO2 rise may have no precedent for even longer. Any proof of that?
We know that CO2 is likely to rise much higher this century. True, but if there is little connection with global temperatures, and higher CO2 promotes plant growth, what is the issue here?
We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and a significant contributor to the greenhouse effect that warms the earth. CO2 is an IR active gas, as is water vapour,which is 25 to 100 times more prevalent than CO2. Many sources dispute that the ‘greenhouse effect’ actually exists. Perhaps that since CO2 also cools the atmosphere at night it could equally be called a ‘refrigerator gas’.
We know that the CO2 rise will have a warming effect… No such provable correlation exists... and that it will lower ocean surface pH.The predicted alkalinity changes are small and marine life regularly faces much greater natural changes.
We know that temperature changes and ocean pH changes will induce changes in yet more climate components. A kind of cascading effect. The ocean’s temperatures vary in natural cycles and are affected by many other factors such as solar cycles. This they have been doing for millions of years over ranges much greater than today’s, and through ice ages.

David Ball
December 26, 2010 5:42 pm

LazyTeenager says:
December 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Are we reading the same blog? Majority of the people here are well aware of the knowledge and data shortcomings. This is why we laugh at Gavin et al. They seem so dang certain. You really are lazy.

fhsiv
December 26, 2010 5:50 pm

Onion,
I would be more convinced of the sincerity of your summation above, if you replaced the word ‘know’ with the word ‘believe’.

December 26, 2010 5:57 pm

Thank you for this article Paul. I have never been convinced that any warming (or cooling) rate of this planet of ours has been positive enough for scientists to be able to tell us what they are telling us at the moment, which is that the Earth has warmed 0.8 °C since the year 1850. – After all the surface of the Earth has been worked out to be (in round numbers) some 510 000 000 km² of which 150 million km² is land.
For that reason it is important to know the answer to the questions: “How many “permanent measuring stations” existed between the years 1850 – 2000? – Also; “How many were measured in °F and how many in °C.” This matters as all land based thermometers had mercury or spirits/alcohol as expansion media and it is damned hard to be accurate to a fraction of a degree (0.8°) when reading that kind of instrument.
Furthermore it is just as important to know the answers to another relevant question; “Where on the Earth were these “measuring stations” of local temperatures located?”
I have memories now from wandering around this planet for more than 65 years and I can say with confidence that where I have frequented it is warmer today than what it was in 1945.
I like this new and warmer place better than I liked older colder one.
However I realize that there is no reason as to why I should thank you, your grannie, uncle, boss or anybody else who is releasing CO² for making my living space more agreeable, so I am not going to. But, once again thank you for the article.

David Ball
December 26, 2010 6:05 pm

Joe Prins says:
December 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I believe the “professor” that Mr. Prins is referring to teaches “environmental studies” which has precisely ZERO to do with science and the good “professor’s” credentials have exactly ZERO to do with climate. Close ties with the Suzuki Foundation. Big surprise there.

December 26, 2010 6:05 pm

And then I feel I should make a comment on somebody else’s comment to this article which is one, as I see it, which is being “partially nasty” or “nasty in one part” and is coming from a chap called Dave Springer who is informing us about his former interesting life with radiosondes. Be that as it may, but then he says:
“Anyone who begins to question the physics of greenhouse gases in the most basic form of working as an insulator is, quite honestly, an example of the cranks that give informed CAGW skeptics a bad reputation through association.”
That sounds very much like someone saying:
“Isn’t anyone who begins to question the physics of the greenhouse effect in its most basic form – and the human enhancement of it through the burning of fossil fuels, quite honestly, an example of the skeptical cranks that oppose informed (CAGW) climate scientists?”
Any “Greenhouse Effect” explanation I have heard of so far has always omitted conduction, convection and the adiabatic lapse rate for Carbon Dioxide and other “Dry greenhouse gases” like Methane etcetera – all in favour of radiation.
If I am not allowed to ask why, then don’t blame me if I make up my own answer. After all during all my many years as a mechanical engineer I have never had to consider radiation when working out heat transportation.

David Ball
December 26, 2010 6:07 pm

I tear up every time I read Onion’s posts !!! 8^D