When I first saw this I thought to myself “maybe posting this isn’t appropriate on Veterans Day”. Then, after additional reflection, I realized this is exactly what our American veterans and the allies fought for: freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny. The seeds of tyranny appear to be taking hold again in the German government at least when it comes to climate change issues. – Anthony
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From Pierre Gosselins “No Tricks Zone”, apparently they really don’t like Fred Singer in Germany.
Branding of Dissenters Has Begun – Clearing The Path To A Climate Science Pogrom
What is it with these intolerant zealots who refuse to learn anything from history?
Right smack on the anniversary of Kristallnacht, German Parliamentarians, in a frontal assault, are now openly calling out and branding scientists for the crime of scientific dissent. These out-of-control Parliamentarians are demanding that the German government take a position against dissenting views in climate science.
What follows makes McCarthyism look like a treasure hunt. What a number of zealous German Parliamentarians are calling for borders on a call to launch a science pogrom.
The climate dogmatists are finding it increasingly difficult to cope with the growing scepticism and dissent now spreading in Germany and Europe, and want to stamp it out – and now.
Journalist Dirk Maxeiner here brings our attention to this latest development on the exploding intolerance that has gripped certain factions in Germany. The branding of climate science dissenters has begun. Fred Singer and EIKE (European Institute For Climate and Energy) are the first to feel the sting of the denier-branding-iron. Read background here.
Some may think that I’m being over-dramatic here. I am not. The situation that the few, yet very vocal, sceptics face here is precarious. Just read the following query written by a faction of Parliamentarians to the German Government, translated from the German text at Dirk Maxeiner’s site (emphasis added, and note the use of the term “denier” throughout the text)):
Read the full post here: Branding of Dissenters Has Begun – Clearing The Path To A Climate Science Pogrom
Luboš Motl has an opinion also, here
This is more worrying than you might think. Where Germany leads many Eurocrats follow (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100056867/herman-van-rompuy-announces-a-new-reverse-majority-rule-to-get-around-the-national-veto/).
nice try with the Mann comparison, but it won’t watch. Mann is accused of deliberately inventing data so he could scam public funds to keep his own career going.
In more direct words, Mann is being investigated not because of his opinions, but because there is a credible allegation that he is nothing more than a con artist and a thief who is responsible for the misallocation of millions of dollars worth of public funds.
Where do the accusations against Fred Singer originate – and what does that facet have to do with the November 2 US House elections? Perhaps a very distinct opportunity to find out what prompted the accusations from the start, whether they have any voracity, and what role they have played in keeping the so-called AGW crisis alive for longer than it would survived otherwise – please see my article “How an Enviro-Advocacy Group Propped Up Global Warming in the MSM – A Nov 2 Election Connection” http://bigjournalism.com/rcook/2010/11/02/how-an-enviro-advocacy-group-propped-up-global-warming-in-the-msm-a-nov-2-election-connection/
Quite understandable in Germany where the green movement was born and reinforced by Rudolf’s Steiner “Anthroposophy” there. However it is inexplicable among those who specially suffered the consequences of this movement in the 20th century and now fund and subscribe totally to it. A kind of Copenhagen syndrome?
Errata: it is the “Stockholm Syndrome”
Germans can’t take too much CO2. Their beer is some of the bestest in the Welt but it has very high levels of CO2. I can atest to both from personal experience. Too much CO2 makes Germans hot. It’s time to close every brewery in the country or it will be only a matter of time before we’re off again to North Africa, Sicily, Italy, and Normandy (not to mention what the Russians are going to do to them). Gott in Himmel! Was is loss? Der Hund ist loss!
‘Ve haff vays of making you COMPLY with ze INCONTRAVERTIBLE view zat man is varmink ze planet…
Ve KNOW zat you deniers are all funded by Big Oil – it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to haff such STUPID ideas ozzerwise…
For you – ze war is over…’
In the German concentration camps, only 1 group had the ability to leave at any time. There were the Jehovah’s Witnesses. To leave, all they had to do was sign a declaration renouncing their faith; few did. The Jews wore a yellow star, the communist wore red triangles, the homosexuals a pink triangle, the gypsies a black triangle, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses a purple triangle. Only if you had a single purple triangle could you leave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_the_Holocaust
It is not to much of an imagination to think this might happen again, except with eco-fascism instead. Those considered to be impure would not be able to leave. This would likely include anyone who is very wealthy but did not get their wealth from preaching the doctrine of global warming. Al Gore, for instance, not impure. Brian Moynihan, CEO of Bank of America the largest American bank, impure. Mr. Moynihan lives in Boston, but works in Charlotte, NC and I doubt he flies commercial. The CEO’s of oil companies, impure too. But one group can escape the judgment. Climate scientists can escape at any time if they renounce their belief in man-made global warming.
What will we have to wear? Will I have on a black triangle or a purple one?
(P.S. Everyone should take a trip to the US Holocaust museum in Washington DC. It is very enlightening.)
Yes PAt, the Green party is quite strong in Germany….But I think that they are not as strong as they were a few years ago. Here in Belgium, the greens are qui strong too, but they do not expand further than their historical score about 10 years ago. I think that in many european countries, they are in fact receeding and will stabilize around an equilibrium of 10%….in the countries where they do not dislocate in self-fighting fractions. This is their natural place, given that you can count on at least 10% of people beeing collectivist. What happened was they got the vote of people being concerned by environment (preservation of endangered species, reducing pollution,…) without beeing collectivist….but a few taxes later, the green movement is starting to show his ugly head. A few more scandals (CAGW will do nicely, we just need 1 or 2 cold winters) and they should be in real trouble.
Only in the northern Europe (Norway, sweeden,…) could they really get power. Thoe countries are already deep in a collectivist nanny state trip, much broader that the greens.
Scooper says: November 11, 2010 at 9:34 am
Welcome to the European Union. Those of us who monitor the machinations of the EU will be familiar with this sort of intimidation and oppression. Only yesterday, the EU’s Silent Assassin, otherwise known as Council President Herman Van Rompuy made the following comments in a speech in Berlin:
“We have together to fight the danger of a new Euro-scepticism.
This is no longer the monopoly of a few countries.
In every Member State, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world.
It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!
—————————————————————————————Scooper. Agreed. The EU’s objective of undemocratic rule over Europe has been very plain to see for a very long time. The AGW agenda fits perfectly with that of the EU. What better excuse to browbeat individual European states into compliance and submission than the fear of AGW. It is a perfect vehicle for that agenda. Is it any wonder that the EU is the main political supporter of AGW.
Douglas
Not surprising, the Germans, as I recall, had the first Green Party with any real clout going way back into the early 80s. Germans, for all their admirable features and contributions, are extremely xenophobic, culturally and ideologically, and have been even before there was a Germany to speak of. Neo-Nazism has been simmering just below the surface since VE day and the mentality is just looking for any form of expression. First quell dissent, identify dissidents, remove them from public life. Harangue your neighbors to conform and capitulate. If that doesn’t work send the GG Panzer Divisions into Poland to force change.
[ you do realize that if you said such things about some other racial groupings you would be accused of racism don’t you? . . mod]
As they say:
May You Live InInteresting Times in Germany.German people in unprecedented rebellion against government: 1000 injured in protests in nuclear protests: police at breaking point
See: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61620.shtml
Peter Miller says:
November 11, 2010 at 10:21 am
There is a very dark joke about it: ” This time kilns will be of the microwave kind” . Another reason to make impossible to understand why those who suffered the consequences are the bigger supporters of the “ecological/green/GWR” movement all around the world. It would finish in a second if not being extensively funded by known people and their banks. Think it over guys!
Naturally if dissenting opinions can lead to scientific ostracism, job in-security, loss, intimidation, blacklisting, etc, then it is only just and fitting that should those who perpetuate such actions be proved wrong or even mistaken be held personally accountable (and not a wrist slapping). It is only a short jump from labeling to separation to persecution. These actions walk the well worn path of discrimination, racial and religious intolerance. What I find incredibly hypocritical is its left wing and liberal origins, supposedly the center of equality and social justice. – bah spare me the BS, PLEASE.
S Basinger says:
November 11, 2010 at 8:52 am
“A modest proposal for BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN – perhaps all ‘deniers’ should be made to wear a symbol of some type. Perhaps a star?”
I think, more appropriately, a sun. I’ll proudly wear one.
As German I can only say sorry for such crazy thoughts and “ideas” green coloured people can have – they show how far from democratic rules they move.
(red and green “well mixed” = brown…)
Meute Deutschland, morgen die Welt.
I read all the comments so far and I don’t understand nobody seems to get the true meaning behind this?
This can be a great development for the sceptics.
The greens in Germany have now publicly admitted that:
1. The scientific consensus in climate science was and is a lie.
2. The illusion of a consensus can only be upheld by totalitarian methods.
I am greatly confused.
While the parlimentarians clearly are pro-AGW, what they are seeking is a *query* seeking clarificantion of the government’s position and understandng of global warming. There is nothing remoting resembling “demanding that the German government take a position against dissenting views in climate science.” The link is there — read the (translated) original document.
Isn’t that what skeptics have been clamoring for? To have governments take a look at the facts?
“1. Is the German Government aware of a scientifically published paper that has been subjected to peer review that questions climate change caused by man, and that is supported by scientific data?”
This is a golder OPPORTUNITY to present that list of peer reviewed papers that question AGW. We already know there are sympathetic ears in the German government!
“2. In the view of the German Government’s leadership, is there a scientific discussion on whether climate change is taking place and whether man has a decisive impact on climate?”
This is a golden OPPORTUNITY to let the Greman government know what sort of scientific discussion there is on humanity’s impact on climate.
“3. Is the German Government aware of the publications from American physicist Fred Singer on the subject of climate protection? How does the German Government view the scientific reputation of Mr Singer in regards to climate protection.”
This is a golden OPPORTUNITY to show how reputible and correct Fred Singer is.
I will grant you that the *expectation* of the query is that AGW will affirmed. The expecation is that Fred Singer will be found to be unreliable.
But what a golden OPPORTUNITY. The German government is being asked to investigate the claims!
‘But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” ‘
Green fascism came from Nazism. Throw in a sprinkling of Marx and Engels, and add nationalism and romanticism, and you have a potent brew of ecofascism. Germany is a fertile breeding ground for this kind of nonsense, and no sort of ‘liberation’ of the country in the last war or at the fall of the Iron Curtain is going to stop it reverting to type.
Funny: One German is one German, two Germans are two Germans….Three Germans is an Army! 🙂
“Krishna Gans says:
November 11, 2010 at 11:23 am
As German I can only say sorry for such crazy thoughts and “ideas” green coloured people can have – they show how far from democratic rules they move.
(red and green “well mixed” = brown…)”
LOL. Good analogy.
I think a letter sent to the Germany Goverment, like Matt Ridley’s to David MacKay, in reply to what best can be described as a demand that the German goverment silence all ‘Deniers’, would be best to deal with this situation.
Although I don’t hold much hope for David MacKay in the UK as the UK goverment has show with Prof. David Nutt what happens to scientists with a diffrent opinion to the goverment line.
The best way to deal with yellers and screamers is to point out the reason you believe they are worng in a level and calm voice, although this may lead to louder yelling and screaming.
It’s all Hitler’s fault.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/11/its-all-hitlers-fault.html