There’s that word “hacked” again. Even if they were hacked, the correct word is “cracked”. But they were leaked.
Steve
December 7, 2009 12:34 pm
Something about emperors and their clothing applies here, too.
Right now, I need humor to help me through today. The now-politicized U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has just declared a harmless gas as a hazard to health and public safety.
Someone pinch me.
OT-
EPA: Greenhouse gases endanger human health
By DINA CAPPIELLO and H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer Dina Cappiello And H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 1 min ago
WASHINGTON – The Environmental Protection Agency took a major step Monday toward regulating greenhouses gases, concluding that climate changing pollution threatens the public health and the environment.
The announcement came as the Obama administration looked to boost its arguments at an international climate conference that the United States is aggressively taking actions to combat global warming, even though Congress has yet to act on climate legislation. The conference opened Monday in Copenhagen.
The EPA said that the scientific evidence surrounding climate change clearly shows that greenhouse gases “threaten the public health and welfare of the American people” and that the pollutants — mainly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels — should be regulated under the Clean Air Act.
“These long-overdue findings cement 2009’s place in history as the year when the United States government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution,” said EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson at news conference.
The action by the EPA, which has been anticipated for months, clearly was timed to add to the momentum toward some sort of agreement on climate change at the Copenhagen conference and try to push Congress to approve climate legislation.
“This is a clear message to Copenhagen of the Obama administration’s commitments to address global climate change,” said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., lead author of a climate bill before the Senate. “The message to Congress is crystal clear: get moving.”
Under a Supreme Court ruling, the so-called endangerment finding is needed before the EPA can regulate carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases released from automobiles, power plants, and factories under the federal Clean Air Act.
The EPA signaled last April that it was inclined to view heat-trapping pollution as a threat to public health and welfare and began to take public comments under a formal rulemaking. The action marked a reversal from the Bush administration, which had refused before leaving office to issue the finding, despite a conclusion by EPA scientists that it was warranted.
Business groups have strongly argued against tackling global warming through the Clean Air Act, saying it is less flexible and more costly than the cap-and-trade bill being considered before Congress. On Monday, some of those groups questioned the timing of the EPA’s announcement, calling it political.
“The implications of today’s action by EPA are far-reaching…individual Americans and consumers and businesses alike will be dramatically affected by this decision,” said Charles T. Drevna, the president of the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association. Drevna, in a statement, said “it is hardly the time to risk the remainder of the U.S. industrial sector in an attempt to achieve a short-term international public relations victory.”
Any regulations are also likely to spawn lawsuits and lengthy legal fights.
The EPA and the White House have said regulations on greenhouse gases will not be imminent even after an endangerment finding, saying that the administration would prefer that Congress act to limit such pollution through an economy-wide cap on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
Nevertheless, the EPA has begun the early stages of developing permit requirements on carbon dioxide pollution from large emitters such as power plants. The administration also has said it will set the first-ever greenhouse gas emissions standards for automobiles and raise fuel economy to 35 miles per gallon by 2016 to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
The EPA’s readiness to tackle climate change is expected to give a boost to U.S. arguments at the climate conference opening in Copenhagen this week, where the United States offer a provisional target to reduce greenhouse gases.
While the House has approved climate legislation that would cut emissions by 17 percent by 2020 and about 80 percent by mid-century, the Senate has yet to take up the measure amid strong Republican opposition and reluctance by some centrist Democrats.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., lead author of the Senate bill, has argued that if Congress doesn’t act, the EPA will regulate greenhouse gas emissions. He has called EPA regulation a “blunt instrument” that would pose a bigger problem for industry than legislation crafted to mitigate some of the costs of shifting away from carbon emitting fossil fuels.
The way was opened for the EPA to use the Clean Air Act to cut climate-changing emissions by the Supreme Court in 2007, when the court declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Act. But the court said the EPA must determine if these pollutants pose a danger to public health and welfare before it can regulate them. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_epa_climate;_ylt=Au.zF0wVWFdgkb2UbyGT2Pes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNlcjVhMDZlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjA3L3VzX2VwYV9jbGltYXRlBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZXBhZ3JlZW5ob3Vz
Dan
December 7, 2009 12:41 pm
climate gate, climate gate, climate gate alla time
So what happening outside?
November temps? Ice extent? solar mins, El Nino? PDO? AMO?
I came across this- http://www.countercurrents.org/manitoba291109.htm
comments?
nanny_govt_sucks
December 7, 2009 12:42 pm
Well, there’s also the Scientific Method that tripped up the crusade long ago for anyone who was paying attention.
It has been a difficult month for the rag tag band of carbon protestors. It is a distraction from Tiger Woods scandel.
PeterS
December 7, 2009 12:45 pm
Chink in the armour – Excellent.
Just the lift I needed after seeing all the alarmist propaganda on the news.
Anand Rajan KD
December 7, 2009 12:46 pm
It’s a travesty!
Cheers
Anand
Charles. U. Farley
December 7, 2009 12:47 pm
Not so much a chink as a gaping great hole.
Michael
December 7, 2009 12:49 pm
Congress must immediately act to shut down the EPA
Andrew
December 7, 2009 12:50 pm
Very funny. I would have changed the hearts on his boxers to little hockey stick graphs, though.
Andrew
Alan Fields
December 7, 2009 12:51 pm
As a dumb ass bean counter, I have been apalled at some of the speeches I have heard over the last 24 hours about the dreadful damage climate change is already wreaking around the world. I understand that the rise in temperature over the last 150 years has been around 1 degree C and sea level rise almost negligible – I cannot understand how this has put 25 million children in worse jeopardy than before or any of the other horror stories that are being spoken of. How can people spout this stuff with a straight face?
jorgekafkazar
December 7, 2009 12:54 pm
The Emperor’s new clothes are rusty.
imapopulist
December 7, 2009 12:57 pm
Captures the moment perfectly.
The generally subdued responses from the climate science community implies to me that there is much to hide and much fear that it will be revealed.
Leon Brozyna
December 7, 2009 12:57 pm
This is funny on so many levels, starting with the fuedal mindset of the elite AGW proponents.
Kum Dollison
December 7, 2009 1:00 pm
De Emperor is gettin’ nekkider, and nekkider.
TerryBixler
December 7, 2009 1:00 pm
It would be much funnier if the EPA had not found CO2 to be a health hazard today. More infamy for 7 December, the government acting against the people.
Robert Wood
December 7, 2009 1:02 pm
Not so funny. The insane EPA has declared war on America and life itself.
I wonder how it will regulate volcanoes.
Ray
December 7, 2009 1:03 pm
Pretty funny. What’s more… The Global Warming Crusade is quite fat… just like the real thing. He should have put a broken hockey stick in place of the sword. But most true is that the sword shown is a double-edge sword…
Allan Nadel
December 7, 2009 1:04 pm
Ballad Of A Thin Man: Climategate Remix
(My mother used to ask me, “Why do you sit in your room for hours at a time listening to your Bob Dylan records?” and I replied “Who knows, it may come in handy someday.”)
You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
Somebody asks to see your data
And you say, “Who is that man?”
You try so hard
But you don’t understand
Just what you’ll say
When you get home
Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
You’ve got a ticket for Copenhagen
Where you’ll run into a geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, “How does it feel
To be such a freak?”
And you say, “Oh my God
Am I here all alone?”
Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
You have many contacts
Among the MSM flacks
To get out your “facts”
When someone attacks your investigations
But nobody will have any respect
Anyway they will no longer expect
To just give a check
To your tax-deductible charity organization
You’ve been with other professors
And they’ve all liked your looks
With politicians you’ve all
Acted like crooks
You’ve been through all of
Saul Alinsky’s books
You’re very well read
It’s well known
But something is happening here
And you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
Sorry, it is Monday, but it’s not funny. I wake up for a new week at work and read the BBC website telling me the Copenhagen conference has started (no sh*t!). Oh, and that 62% of Britons believe climate change is a really serious problem and we need to do something . Now!
Then, I get in my car and drive to my job and listen to Radio Scotland telling me two thirds of Scots believe the same (after reading the rasmussen poll over the weekend – amongst others -which suggested otherwise.).
I am aware that thousands of people came out on the streets – in the UK – and ‘protested’ about the effects of climate change and apparently demanded that our governments do some thing to ‘sort it out’.
My mate succinctly pointed out that two thirds of Scots are too busy watching The Xfactor to know what – I paraphrase here – on earth is going on.
When I say it’s not funny, I mean there is no real chink in their armour.
Sorry, should have given a snippet from the paper
Industrial and biomass burning emissions of black carbon (BC) from low- and mid-latitudes
dominate the radiative forcing by absorbing impurities trapped in snow and ice at mid- and
high- northern latitudes. Correctmodel representation of albedo reduction by BC-contaminated
snow is crucial because our GCM simulations show that dirty snow can explain about 30% of
the observed 20th century Arctic warming.
Just received the latest email from the Zaadz social green network.
They’re calling it “sabotage”.
I suppose at least they’re implicitly admitting it has been damaged.
Who knew a science hypothesis could be “sabotaged” ?
Bruce Cobb
December 7, 2009 1:23 pm
An instant classic. Best I’ve seen in a long while.
Their wallets are in danger, their status too, their so called “jobs” also, so they will give battle with all the means and media until something happens and takes them by surprise. Who knows…perhaps some negative “feedback”☺
Magnus A
December 7, 2009 1:35 pm
Is it possible that CNN here reports on how CRUminal Mann and Liss tries to make Phil Jones the only scapegoat of this story? Are we watching a tragedy where the Emperor without clothes — Mann made global warming — inevitably must die?
Sorry for these way too easy rhetorical questions.
I guess Phil Jones has been told to hide and be quiet to not disturb Copenhagen. 😉
Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/07/ltm.03.html
Jeremy
December 7, 2009 1:40 pm
WUWT on BBC. In a long article designed to brainwash sheepple that evidence for anthropogenic global warming is “unequivocal” and that skeptics arguments are weak, they actually provide a link to WUWT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm
Of course, the article is stuffed with hyperbole and nonsense gems like the fact that it gets warmer 1000 years before CO2 rises is apparently “irrelevant”. Ehm, yer right, well try explaining to a crying six year old who falls of their bike that the reason they fell off and hurt themselves is because they are now crying and tears make it harder to see so, you see, that caused the fall off the bike in the first place – so stop crying and you won’t fall again. I don’t think there are too many six year old’s that would buy that argument.
DB
December 7, 2009 1:42 pm
This is OT, but in another thread someone asked about setting up an open source model so all the data and models can be verified, and the code behind them could be set up for version control, and easily verified. I hope some of you read it, and I hope sincerely that it happens. Regards, DB.
JonesII
December 7, 2009 1:42 pm
This is not harmless anymore. World government is about to begin.
Jeremy
December 7, 2009 1:42 pm
WUWT on BBC. In a long article designed to brainwash sheepple that evidence for anthropogenic global warming is “unequivocal” and that skeptics arguments are weak, they actually provide a link to WUWT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm
Of course, the article is stuffed with hyperbole and nonsense gems like:
the fact that it gets warmer 1000 years before CO2 rises is apparently “irrelevant”.
Ehm, yer right, well try explaining to a six year old who is crying because they fell off their bike that the reason they fell off and hurt themselves is because they are now crying and tears make it harder to see so, you see, that caused the fall – so stop crying and you won’t fall again. I don’t think there are too many six year old’s that would buy that argument.
JonesII
December 7, 2009 1:44 pm
…and, most probably, they will closed this agora too.
Ben D
December 7, 2009 1:46 pm
surely you joust!!!
Spenc Canada
December 7, 2009 1:48 pm
“Now the pirating of thousands of e-mail messages from within its walls has revealed a dangerous bunker mentality among the scientists who guarded those records and a data-fudging scandal that has created a crisis of confidence in global-warming science that is threatening to destroy the political consensus around next week’s carbon-policy summit in Copenhagen.
Said one scientist working at the institute: “It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that this has set the climate-change debate back 20 years.” ”
From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/climate-change/breach-in-global-warming-bunker-rattles-climate-science-at-worst-time/article1389842/
Greg Cavanagh
December 7, 2009 1:52 pm
Robert Wood (13:02:09) :
I wonder how it will regulate volcanoes.
That’s easy; everybody must share the burden of natural disasters. Just like any hurricane or tsunami, it will require a massive government clean up operation using government funding.
Neo
December 7, 2009 2:00 pm
Members of the California Air Resources Board (CARB) have taken to the media to request that the board suspend the truck rule, which would require exhaust filter retrofits and engine upgrades starting in 2011 and the replacement of pre-2010 model engines between 2012 to 2022.
CARB members Ron Roberts and Dr. John Telles allege that CARB had tried to cover up that the lead scientist and coordinator of the research used to justify the new emissions rules, had lied about holding a Ph.D. in statistics.
Hien T. Tran’s Ph.D. was the mail-order version, according to local media reports, and senior CARB officials were aware that his falsified credentials before voting on the truck retrofit legislation.
I’m sure that Phil Jones will tell you that with or without the PhD, a statistician is not a “climate scientist.”
E. J. Mohr
December 7, 2009 2:01 pm
Re: Allan Nadel (13:04:34) :
That’s hilarious – well done.
Kitefreak
December 7, 2009 2:03 pm
JonesII (13:35:11)
“negative feedback”
Yes i think that’s what it needs – negative feedback would be a positive thing. That may sound like a contradiction, but I think that is exactly what is needed.
We need to say:
Look, we’ve listened to what you have to say, but quite honestly, we think it is all wrong. In fact, WE KNOW you are taking the [insert word of choice]
Negative feedback is all they will listen to.
In other news ….. Last night ABC News (US) had a story on America’s first “climate refugees” . They live on an island somewhere on the coast of Lousiana , I think in the vicinity of Atchafalaya Bay . While I don’t know much about that part of the Gulf coast , I think that factors other than sea rise per se may have something to the problem there . Do any of you out there have a handle on coastal Lousiana ? I suspect that the confinement of the Mississippi coupled with tropical storms may have led to some erosion . It is also might be that the local population sees this as a chance to get some better , higher land from the state . Barrier isalnds have a way of coming and going .
Steve said
“Right now, I need humor to help me through today. The now-politicized U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has just declared a harmless gas as a hazard to health and public safety.
Someone pinch me.”
pinch you?? heck no! i’m gonna sue you all for exhaling that deadly hazard in my presence! 🙂
Invariant
December 7, 2009 2:12 pm
This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central newspapers, Pravda (Truth) and Izvestiya (News) if both are organs of the same Party?” We’re answering: “Because in Pravda there is no news, and in Izvestiya there is no truth.”
ClimateGate version:
This is BBC; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central journals, Nature (finest peer-reviewed research in all fields of science and technology) and New Scientist (scientific discovery, and its industrial, commercial and social consequences) if both are organs of the same climate scientists?” We’re answering: “Because in Nature there is no scientific discovery, and in New Scientist there is no true peer-reviewed research from any field of science or technology.” http://www.nature.com/nature/about/ http://www.newscientist.com/data/html/ns/mediacenter/uk/intro.jsp
Nigel S
December 7, 2009 2:14 pm
Allan Nadel (13:04:34)
V. good, assume you’re working on the ‘Idiot Wind’ remix right now.
AnonyMoose
December 7, 2009 2:18 pm
Copenhagen police should watch the conference attendees carefully, in case they decide to riot to protest the depiction of their god Global Warming.
Ed Scott
December 7, 2009 2:29 pm
Dr Willie Soon on Global Climate Change
Michael
December 7, 2009 2:29 pm
Glen Beck is going to do a piece on CO2 poison now.
Alba
December 7, 2009 2:29 pm
Kitefreak said (13:09:14) :
“Sorry, it is Monday, but it’s not funny. I wake up for a new week at work and read the BBC website telling me the Copenhagen conference has started (no sh*t!). Oh, and that 62% of Britons believe climate change is a really serious problem and we need to do something . Now!
Then, I get in my car and drive to my job and listen to Radio Scotland telling me two thirds of Scots believe the same (after reading the rasmussen poll over the weekend – amongst others -which suggested otherwise.”
Hardly surprising results considering the amount of propaganda put out by the BBC in the past few weeks.
Here’s another “climate science” chuckle that proves “the more things change, the more they remain the same!”.
The US National Science Board (part of the National Science Foundation) issued a report titled Science and the Challenges Ahead that makes six interesting science-based observations and predictions. (Three relevant paragraphs from pages 24-25 of the linked document are reproduced here
Direct quotes:
1- “Human activity may be involved on an even broader scale in changing the global climate.”
2- “During the last 20-30 years, world temperature has fallen …”
3- “… there is increasing concern that man himself may be implicated, not only in the recent cooling trend but also in the warming temperatures …
4- “… activities of the expanding human population – especially those involved with the burning of fossil fuels – raised the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, which acts as a ‘greenhouse’ …”
5- “But simulataneously … growing industrialization and the spread of agriculture introduced increasing quantities of dust into the atmosphere which reduced the amount of solar radiation reaching the earth. … the cooling effect of the dust particles more than compensated for the warming effect of the carbon dioxide, and world temperature began to fall.”
6- “Several consequences [of colder temperatures] have been observed: … southward intrusion of sea-ice … unusually large numbers of severe storms … development of a calamitous drought belt extending around the world …”
Oh, I forgot to mention, the report was issued in 1974! (Well before Climategate :^)
Warming, cooling, … whatever – it is always MAN’s fault! (And, of course, WOMAN’s too :^)
Could it be NATURAL CYCLES not within Human Control?
Nope – No grant money in that!
P Stanford
December 7, 2009 2:37 pm
Gentlemen, you’re all getting a bit hot and bothered; you need a calming influence, somthing cool, and green, and long lasting perhaps, something like this…? http://climate.arm.ac.uk/averages.html
This makes me laugh. Really, and I am allergic to smiling.
Adam from Kansas
December 7, 2009 2:42 pm
Before concluding that Global Warming is a serious problem then let’s see what will happen when the forecast from NOAA showing the combined impact of a negative AO and negative NAO is at the possible greatest point of the year in several days.
I looked at the NOAA forecasts, that point may be reached during the Copenhagen conference assuming it’s a week long, could become a symbol of the Gore effect on a grand scale. 🙂
Ed Scott
December 7, 2009 2:43 pm
George would have been an excellent keynote speaker at COP-15.
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George Carlin on Global Warming
Glenn Beck just showed the polar bears dropping from the sky and their blood and guts splattering all over the sidewalk. He warned the parents to not let the children see it.
Curiousgeorge
December 7, 2009 2:53 pm
Funny cartoons notwithstanding, the level of public anger about this intrusion on our personal liberties, taxes, and hypocrisy over a non problem is reaching levels not seen in many years. All one need do is surf around the net to see that a great many people are very close to taking violent action to put a stop to the AGW agenda. If legal action against the EPA and voter action against those in congress who promote the AGW agenda is insufficient there is no doubt in my mind that more aggressive measures will occur. If that comes to pass, the govt. of the US and those of other countries will impose stricter measures on public assembly, freedom of speech, travel, etc. We are heading for a showdown.
Dan (12:41:34) :
I came across this- http://www.countercurrents.org/manitoba291109.htm
comments?
“Ship navigation across the pole is imminent as the type of ice which resides there is no longer a barrier to ships in the late summer and fall,” Barber says.
And they’ll be proving this hypothesis when?
His administration formally declared that the gases “endanger the public health and welfare of the America people” empowering its Environment Protection Agency to regulate them across the country under the country’s Clean Air Act, without having to get a hotly-contested climate bill through the US Congress.
Maybe Monkton had the right idea but the wrong ruse. So what do all you US constitution and legal types around here think, will he get away with this?
Ed Scott
December 7, 2009 2:58 pm
Unstoppable Solar Cycles
Kitefreak
December 7, 2009 3:00 pm
P Stanford (14:37:20) :
Gentlemen, you’re all getting a bit hot and bothered; you need a calming influence, somthing cool, and green, and long lasting perhaps, something like this…? http://climate.arm.ac.uk/averages.html
Ahhh… That’s much better. Thank you.
Peter
December 7, 2009 3:00 pm
Right, now that we know that the science is settled, and there’s no longer any doubt whatsoever that AGW is real, it’s happening, and is going to have catastrophic consequences, why the he** are we still paying for an army of scientists and their hideously expensive supercomputers?
Close down all the climate research facilities and save the taxpayer a bomb – those scientists are becoming something of a liability anyway.
maarten
December 7, 2009 3:01 pm
Here in Canada, during the buildup to and on the Eve of Carbonhagen summit, our trusty MSM channels were busy brainwashing the sheople by such gems as “The Inconvenient Truth” and “Hot Planet”, among others. Climategate is, at best, a footnote hidden on some back page. Rex Murphy did a brilliant piece on it. But overall, the party line is still toed here – business and AGW propaganda as usual for MSM.
maarten (15:01:01) :
Here in Canada, during the buildup to and on the Eve of Carbonhagen summit, our trusty MSM channels were busy brainwashing the sheople by such gems as
It is still going to be cold in Canadia. Don’t get your hopes up.
Dahlinks! You’ve got it all wrong ….
Professor Watson say all Phil was doing was designing some artwork and he wanted the picture to look pretty!
You silly boys and grils! All that fuss over nothing! http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/fuss-about-artwork.html
Gino
December 7, 2009 3:25 pm
the science is ro-“busted”.
Kitefreak
December 7, 2009 3:29 pm
Ed Scott (14:43:49) :
George would have been an excellent keynote speaker at COP-15.
Just want to recommend and second your comment.
Carlin is (was) brilliant!
Jeremy
December 7, 2009 3:33 pm
I expect the CEI lawsuit to block the EPA will be mostly a battle to get it inside a courtroom. I wish them luck, because a courtroom is exactly what this issue needs, and precisely what the EPA and alarmists should wish to avoid.
However, if this issue ever does go into a courtroom, it could mean a major realignment of executive power/authority. Just imagine this being a precedent for things like marijuana legalization. The list of controlled substances has never gone through any sort of congressional review to determine what should be where. Frankly these sorts of things should be decided by congress, that’s what Congress is for.
rbateman
December 7, 2009 3:37 pm
Ed Scott (14:58:46) :
Hide the decline was preceeded by Hide the Correlation:
By doctoring the GHCN data, the CRU could ensure that Solar Activity does NOT correlate with their data set, whether it originally did or did not.
Sidelinging Solar Activity as a primary climate driver would have been a key target for CRU. Hide the decline takes on the MWP and the literary record.
BIngo. They get to trumpet C02 warming as “what else can it be”.
Dr A Burns
December 7, 2009 3:37 pm
Statement from the IPCC working group No1 (the Hadley Centre), in bed with CRU: http://icecap.us/images/uploads/WGIstatement04122009.pdf
Somehow it seemed unlikely that they were going to put out a statement such as:
“We at the Hadley Centre and the CRU are a bunch of fraudsters. We have been responsible for pulling off the scam of the century”
It is blatantly clear that google has supressed “climategate”. Another one apparently Murdochs wife (who controls 90% world media) is a fanatical AGW believer. This may explain the slow take off in mainstream newspapers. They may realize after this is all over that they may have made a fatal mistake because people will remember and they don’t like being taken for a ride (even Montbiot does not like it!)
Alan The Other Brit
December 7, 2009 3:44 pm
I have lurked for a couple of years and this is the first time I’ve commented here. So first I would like to say a big thanks to everyone for this entertaining and informative blog.
I have a question on the “hide the decline” issue. I have read a lot of comments about how this downward trend in the proxy data highlights a fatal flaw with tree rings as a temperature proxy. Isn’t it possible that the tree rings are correct and the instrumental temperature record is wrong? Is it possible that the proxy data is highlighting the problem with the instrumental temperature records?
royfomr
December 7, 2009 3:45 pm
I think you’re going to need a lot funnier cartoon than that Anthony to lift our spirits on this the blackest of Mondays.
It started badly with our Dear Leaders decision to sabotage the hard-won Freedoms of our heritage by letting the travesty that is in Copehagen happen.
Copenhagen will, if sense is to prevail, become a collective noun for a gathering hysterical, self-seeking, scientifically ignorant and myopic self-haters.
I tried not to watch any of the predicted outporings of the BBC today, I failed.
The morbid fascination of watching a disaster unfold finally overcame my resolution and I put the TV on.
I managed to keep my anger down as the impartial Beeb presenters faux-questioned fellow-travellers with opportunities to present the same old cliched responses when challenged by a “sceptic”. I know something of Goebbelian tactics, even though I can’t spell it, dear old aunties employs experts.
I coped with the business as usual and doom laden sepulchral voices that intoned the litany of forthcoming hellfire and damnation. As a child I was brought up Church of Scotland after all, so it all seemed relatively benign!
Even when an angry Sudanese gentleman harangued the Wicked West for trying to wriggle away from paying full financial reparations for the Climate Genocide that it has brought upon the world, I barely raised an eye-brow. The word “Darfur” only briefly went through my thoughts.
I started to lose it, sadly, when an act of child-abuse dressed up as theatre, was dished up. A childs nightmare of climate hell. These people have no moral limits. They are beneath contempt.
Then I found out what the esteemed and most generous POTUS had put on the table at Copenhagen to underline his commitment to the New Age.
RIP, the Carbon Cycle and welcome to the Cyanide Pill of the 21st Century.
Guys, you threw us out for taxing a benign beverage. At least we never taxed the air.
@ Jeremy
Interesting, a few months ago the BBC line was that they shouldn’t even cover the sceptic side of the story because that would suggest to the public that there were two sides to the story, whereas in “reality” the science is “settled”.
How different it is now, seeing their efforts to address the sceptic side of the story. It is rather pathetic though. I sat here with my wife and asked her to read a sceptic point and then read the warmist counter argument, and asked her to tell me if the counter argument was in any way an answer, or whether it was even self consistent in a rational way. But it was waffle to her too.
I really take interest when reading the counter arguments to sceptic points, because I do actually enjoy being surprised and having my mind changed. I get bored with my opinions and I like the novelty of having to change them. But the counter arguments are so weak they fail the simple common sense test. Perhaps they have simply dumbed down the science too much, but so be it, if I can read more sense on sceptic web sites, then so be it, and the sceptics will continue to be the better view.
I do hope all this blows over in a decade, because it does sound a bit too much like propaganda. I appreciate they want to unite the world. They can try. Doesn’t mean this is the time to do it, and it doesn’t mean the world is ready for it, no matter how many limos turn up to Copenhagen.
Kitefreak
December 7, 2009 4:21 pm
royfomr (15:45:39) :
Aye! Scots against global (Goebbels) warming.
Load a p*sh if ye ask me. Aye tryin’ tae mak ye believe p*sh – dirty b*st*rds….
Sorry mod – snip if you want, but the turbulence is gettin’ severe, capn. She’ll no tak it. The ship was never built to withstand this kind of stress captn.
Captn?
Jim?
Greg Cavanagh
December 7, 2009 4:27 pm
Local TV station 7 (Australia) has not even mentioned climategate one iota. But this morning gave a a bunch of short films lasing about 10 minutes total, all very pro AGW in honor of Copenhagen.
Good thing the news isn’t biased in any way. I can’t fathom why they have such a vested interest in someone elses theory.
Alan The Other Brit (15:44:25) :
> Isn’t it possible that the tree rings are correct and the instrumental
> temperature record is wrong? Is it possible that the proxy data is
> highlighting the problem with the instrumental temperature records?
I don’t think tht’s the case. Rather, I think that trees are affected by much more than temperature. I can easily see a tree in hot, dry summers growing less than in slightly cooler, but wetter summers. A tree probably makes a better proxy hygrometer than a proxy thermometer.
Kitefreak
December 7, 2009 4:49 pm
vulgarmorality (16:28:19) :
I find the 56 newspapers singing from the same hymn sheet the most worrying thing of all. That says is all really – in terms of the mass conciousness being manipulated by, well, maybe we need to do some research in that area, all of us.
J.Hansford
December 7, 2009 6:16 pm
ROTFL!!! ……… Now that is funny.
Greg Cavanagh
December 7, 2009 6:56 pm
My own conclusion: The effects of “Global Warming” are real; it can be measured in the rapid increase in taxes and laws.
It would be a great opportunity for some social science professors to conduct some studies I think, as we are on the very verge of something profound.
There’s one thing that “Climategate” has been really good at just like in the picture, pulling the pants down on alarmists all over the intrernet thingy.
Dennis
December 8, 2009 1:15 am
Interviewr: So what does it take to be head of the Mafia??
Hood: You have to learn to be able to lie, to cheat, to be absolutely ruthless with people who criticise you
Interviewer: Anything else??
Hood: Yeah…you have to be the sort of person who would sell their own mother to the devil….
Interviewer: So how did you train for that? I mean where would you learn those skills?
Hood: Easy…I was a global warming climatologist.
UK Sceptic
December 8, 2009 1:30 am
Surely those shorts should have little polar bears on them…
Stefan
December 8, 2009 3:01 am
@Ed Scott
Thank you for the George Carlin link. A very impressive critique. Hilarious. It really does come down to human arrogance. It gives me a thought, we’ve been sending stuff into the solar system, and each probe has mass, a mass that exerts a gravitational effect on other planets…. a human induced gravitational tipping point might be coming! Saturn could smash into Jupiter! Please, won’t somebody save the solar system!? We have to act now! We need an Intergovernmental Panel on Orbit Change!!
Steve (12:34:55) :
Someone pinch me.
Does that work if we are all in the same nightmare?
…. spooky
Fat Man
December 8, 2009 7:24 pm
I am very happy to see Nate Beeler’s work get noticed. Nate grew up in our congregation and went to High School with my kids. He is a very talented young man and deserves a wide audience.
LOL! it’s just a flesh wound.
More:
http://www.cagle.com/news/GlobalWarmingScience/main.asp
Enjoy!
There’s that word “hacked” again. Even if they were hacked, the correct word is “cracked”. But they were leaked.
Something about emperors and their clothing applies here, too.
Right now, I need humor to help me through today. The now-politicized U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has just declared a harmless gas as a hazard to health and public safety.
Someone pinch me.
…and please see this cartton from our (until now) very pro-green NZ Herald…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=500814
My guess is that the cartoonist will be sacked !
OT-
EPA: Greenhouse gases endanger human health
By DINA CAPPIELLO and H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer Dina Cappiello And H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 1 min ago
WASHINGTON – The Environmental Protection Agency took a major step Monday toward regulating greenhouses gases, concluding that climate changing pollution threatens the public health and the environment.
The announcement came as the Obama administration looked to boost its arguments at an international climate conference that the United States is aggressively taking actions to combat global warming, even though Congress has yet to act on climate legislation. The conference opened Monday in Copenhagen.
The EPA said that the scientific evidence surrounding climate change clearly shows that greenhouse gases “threaten the public health and welfare of the American people” and that the pollutants — mainly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels — should be regulated under the Clean Air Act.
“These long-overdue findings cement 2009’s place in history as the year when the United States government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution,” said EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson at news conference.
The action by the EPA, which has been anticipated for months, clearly was timed to add to the momentum toward some sort of agreement on climate change at the Copenhagen conference and try to push Congress to approve climate legislation.
“This is a clear message to Copenhagen of the Obama administration’s commitments to address global climate change,” said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., lead author of a climate bill before the Senate. “The message to Congress is crystal clear: get moving.”
Under a Supreme Court ruling, the so-called endangerment finding is needed before the EPA can regulate carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases released from automobiles, power plants, and factories under the federal Clean Air Act.
The EPA signaled last April that it was inclined to view heat-trapping pollution as a threat to public health and welfare and began to take public comments under a formal rulemaking. The action marked a reversal from the Bush administration, which had refused before leaving office to issue the finding, despite a conclusion by EPA scientists that it was warranted.
Business groups have strongly argued against tackling global warming through the Clean Air Act, saying it is less flexible and more costly than the cap-and-trade bill being considered before Congress. On Monday, some of those groups questioned the timing of the EPA’s announcement, calling it political.
“The implications of today’s action by EPA are far-reaching…individual Americans and consumers and businesses alike will be dramatically affected by this decision,” said Charles T. Drevna, the president of the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association. Drevna, in a statement, said “it is hardly the time to risk the remainder of the U.S. industrial sector in an attempt to achieve a short-term international public relations victory.”
Any regulations are also likely to spawn lawsuits and lengthy legal fights.
The EPA and the White House have said regulations on greenhouse gases will not be imminent even after an endangerment finding, saying that the administration would prefer that Congress act to limit such pollution through an economy-wide cap on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
Nevertheless, the EPA has begun the early stages of developing permit requirements on carbon dioxide pollution from large emitters such as power plants. The administration also has said it will set the first-ever greenhouse gas emissions standards for automobiles and raise fuel economy to 35 miles per gallon by 2016 to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
The EPA’s readiness to tackle climate change is expected to give a boost to U.S. arguments at the climate conference opening in Copenhagen this week, where the United States offer a provisional target to reduce greenhouse gases.
While the House has approved climate legislation that would cut emissions by 17 percent by 2020 and about 80 percent by mid-century, the Senate has yet to take up the measure amid strong Republican opposition and reluctance by some centrist Democrats.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., lead author of the Senate bill, has argued that if Congress doesn’t act, the EPA will regulate greenhouse gas emissions. He has called EPA regulation a “blunt instrument” that would pose a bigger problem for industry than legislation crafted to mitigate some of the costs of shifting away from carbon emitting fossil fuels.
The way was opened for the EPA to use the Clean Air Act to cut climate-changing emissions by the Supreme Court in 2007, when the court declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Act. But the court said the EPA must determine if these pollutants pose a danger to public health and welfare before it can regulate them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_epa_climate;_ylt=Au.zF0wVWFdgkb2UbyGT2Pes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNlcjVhMDZlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjA3L3VzX2VwYV9jbGltYXRlBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZXBhZ3JlZW5ob3Vz
climate gate, climate gate, climate gate alla time
So what happening outside?
November temps? Ice extent? solar mins, El Nino? PDO? AMO?
I came across this-
http://www.countercurrents.org/manitoba291109.htm
comments?
Well, there’s also the Scientific Method that tripped up the crusade long ago for anyone who was paying attention.
Lisa Jackson needs to be the first person to be arrested for breathing.
US climate agency declares CO2 public danger
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/07/us-climate-carbon-emissions-danger
It has been a difficult month for the rag tag band of carbon protestors. It is a distraction from Tiger Woods scandel.
Chink in the armour – Excellent.
Just the lift I needed after seeing all the alarmist propaganda on the news.
It’s a travesty!
Cheers
Anand
Not so much a chink as a gaping great hole.
Congress must immediately act to shut down the EPA
Very funny. I would have changed the hearts on his boxers to little hockey stick graphs, though.
Andrew
As a dumb ass bean counter, I have been apalled at some of the speeches I have heard over the last 24 hours about the dreadful damage climate change is already wreaking around the world. I understand that the rise in temperature over the last 150 years has been around 1 degree C and sea level rise almost negligible – I cannot understand how this has put 25 million children in worse jeopardy than before or any of the other horror stories that are being spoken of. How can people spout this stuff with a straight face?
The Emperor’s new clothes are rusty.
Captures the moment perfectly.
The generally subdued responses from the climate science community implies to me that there is much to hide and much fear that it will be revealed.
This is funny on so many levels, starting with the fuedal mindset of the elite AGW proponents.
De Emperor is gettin’ nekkider, and nekkider.
It would be much funnier if the EPA had not found CO2 to be a health hazard today. More infamy for 7 December, the government acting against the people.
Not so funny. The insane EPA has declared war on America and life itself.
I wonder how it will regulate volcanoes.
Pretty funny. What’s more… The Global Warming Crusade is quite fat… just like the real thing. He should have put a broken hockey stick in place of the sword. But most true is that the sword shown is a double-edge sword…
Ballad Of A Thin Man: Climategate Remix
(My mother used to ask me, “Why do you sit in your room for hours at a time listening to your Bob Dylan records?” and I replied “Who knows, it may come in handy someday.”)
You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
Somebody asks to see your data
And you say, “Who is that man?”
You try so hard
But you don’t understand
Just what you’ll say
When you get home
Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
You’ve got a ticket for Copenhagen
Where you’ll run into a geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, “How does it feel
To be such a freak?”
And you say, “Oh my God
Am I here all alone?”
Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
You have many contacts
Among the MSM flacks
To get out your “facts”
When someone attacks your investigations
But nobody will have any respect
Anyway they will no longer expect
To just give a check
To your tax-deductible charity organization
You’ve been with other professors
And they’ve all liked your looks
With politicians you’ve all
Acted like crooks
You’ve been through all of
Saul Alinsky’s books
You’re very well read
It’s well known
But something is happening here
And you don’t know what it is
Do you, Doctor Jones?
This one seems apt.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/thl/lowres/thln1l.jpg
I like it! Funny!!!
Sorry, it is Monday, but it’s not funny. I wake up for a new week at work and read the BBC website telling me the Copenhagen conference has started (no sh*t!). Oh, and that 62% of Britons believe climate change is a really serious problem and we need to do something . Now!
Then, I get in my car and drive to my job and listen to Radio Scotland telling me two thirds of Scots believe the same (after reading the rasmussen poll over the weekend – amongst others -which suggested otherwise.).
I am aware that thousands of people came out on the streets – in the UK – and ‘protested’ about the effects of climate change and apparently demanded that our governments do some thing to ‘sort it out’.
My mate succinctly pointed out that two thirds of Scots are too busy watching The Xfactor to know what – I paraphrase here – on earth is going on.
When I say it’s not funny, I mean there is no real chink in their armour.
Anthony
I thought you might be interested in this
http://dust.ess.uci.edu/ppr/ppr_ZGD08.pdf
I came across this after looking at trends in the NordKlim dataset
http://www.george-barwood.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GlobalWarming/NordklimTrends.html
There is consistent warming in March, north of about 60 degrees.
Then I started thinking about it as described here:
http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11771055&sort=whole
This is pretty cool I think.
Sorry, should have given a snippet from the paper
Industrial and biomass burning emissions of black carbon (BC) from low- and mid-latitudes
dominate the radiative forcing by absorbing impurities trapped in snow and ice at mid- and
high- northern latitudes. Correctmodel representation of albedo reduction by BC-contaminated
snow is crucial because our GCM simulations show that dirty snow can explain about 30% of
the observed 20th century Arctic warming.
The truth about the ‘SwiftHack’ smear campaign: http://swifthack.com
OT – WUWT should run a story on the Revkin e-mail. It is at the heart of the problems.
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/michael-schlesinger-threatens-andy-revkin/#comment-3912
Just received the latest email from the Zaadz social green network.
They’re calling it “sabotage”.
I suppose at least they’re implicitly admitting it has been damaged.
Who knew a science hypothesis could be “sabotaged” ?
An instant classic. Best I’ve seen in a long while.
I made a little comic today too. It’s funny without trying to be so, I hope!
http://i46.tinypic.com/t63qxe.jpg
It doesn’t matter:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=abw3JjvjwOmo
They’re going to move ahead without the science…
Their wallets are in danger, their status too, their so called “jobs” also, so they will give battle with all the means and media until something happens and takes them by surprise. Who knows…perhaps some negative “feedback”☺
Is it possible that CNN here reports on how CRUminal Mann and Liss tries to make Phil Jones the only scapegoat of this story? Are we watching a tragedy where the Emperor without clothes — Mann made global warming — inevitably must die?
Sorry for these way too easy rhetorical questions.
I guess Phil Jones has been told to hide and be quiet to not disturb Copenhagen. 😉
Transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/07/ltm.03.html
WUWT on BBC. In a long article designed to brainwash sheepple that evidence for anthropogenic global warming is “unequivocal” and that skeptics arguments are weak, they actually provide a link to WUWT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm
Of course, the article is stuffed with hyperbole and nonsense gems like the fact that it gets warmer 1000 years before CO2 rises is apparently “irrelevant”. Ehm, yer right, well try explaining to a crying six year old who falls of their bike that the reason they fell off and hurt themselves is because they are now crying and tears make it harder to see so, you see, that caused the fall off the bike in the first place – so stop crying and you won’t fall again. I don’t think there are too many six year old’s that would buy that argument.
This is OT, but in another thread someone asked about setting up an open source model so all the data and models can be verified, and the code behind them could be set up for version control, and easily verified. I hope some of you read it, and I hope sincerely that it happens. Regards, DB.
This is not harmless anymore. World government is about to begin.
WUWT on BBC. In a long article designed to brainwash sheepple that evidence for anthropogenic global warming is “unequivocal” and that skeptics arguments are weak, they actually provide a link to WUWT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm
Of course, the article is stuffed with hyperbole and nonsense gems like:
the fact that it gets warmer 1000 years before CO2 rises is apparently “irrelevant”.
Ehm, yer right, well try explaining to a six year old who is crying because they fell off their bike that the reason they fell off and hurt themselves is because they are now crying and tears make it harder to see so, you see, that caused the fall – so stop crying and you won’t fall again. I don’t think there are too many six year old’s that would buy that argument.
…and, most probably, they will closed this agora too.
surely you joust!!!
“Now the pirating of thousands of e-mail messages from within its walls has revealed a dangerous bunker mentality among the scientists who guarded those records and a data-fudging scandal that has created a crisis of confidence in global-warming science that is threatening to destroy the political consensus around next week’s carbon-policy summit in Copenhagen.
Said one scientist working at the institute: “It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that this has set the climate-change debate back 20 years.” ”
From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/climate-change/breach-in-global-warming-bunker-rattles-climate-science-at-worst-time/article1389842/
Robert Wood (13:02:09) :
I wonder how it will regulate volcanoes.
That’s easy; everybody must share the burden of natural disasters. Just like any hurricane or tsunami, it will require a massive government clean up operation using government funding.
I’m sure that Phil Jones will tell you that with or without the PhD, a statistician is not a “climate scientist.”
Re: Allan Nadel (13:04:34) :
That’s hilarious – well done.
JonesII (13:35:11)
“negative feedback”
Yes i think that’s what it needs – negative feedback would be a positive thing. That may sound like a contradiction, but I think that is exactly what is needed.
We need to say:
Look, we’ve listened to what you have to say, but quite honestly, we think it is all wrong. In fact, WE KNOW you are taking the [insert word of choice]
Negative feedback is all they will listen to.
Monday not so funny
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/save_the_planet_dont_breath_out/
In other news ….. Last night ABC News (US) had a story on America’s first “climate refugees” . They live on an island somewhere on the coast of Lousiana , I think in the vicinity of Atchafalaya Bay . While I don’t know much about that part of the Gulf coast , I think that factors other than sea rise per se may have something to the problem there . Do any of you out there have a handle on coastal Lousiana ? I suspect that the confinement of the Mississippi coupled with tropical storms may have led to some erosion . It is also might be that the local population sees this as a chance to get some better , higher land from the state . Barrier isalnds have a way of coming and going .
Steve said
“Right now, I need humor to help me through today. The now-politicized U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has just declared a harmless gas as a hazard to health and public safety.
Someone pinch me.”
pinch you?? heck no! i’m gonna sue you all for exhaling that deadly hazard in my presence! 🙂
This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central newspapers, Pravda (Truth) and Izvestiya (News) if both are organs of the same Party?” We’re answering: “Because in Pravda there is no news, and in Izvestiya there is no truth.”
ClimateGate version:
This is BBC; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central journals, Nature (finest peer-reviewed research in all fields of science and technology) and New Scientist (scientific discovery, and its industrial, commercial and social consequences) if both are organs of the same climate scientists?” We’re answering: “Because in Nature there is no scientific discovery, and in New Scientist there is no true peer-reviewed research from any field of science or technology.”
http://www.nature.com/nature/about/
http://www.newscientist.com/data/html/ns/mediacenter/uk/intro.jsp
Allan Nadel (13:04:34)
V. good, assume you’re working on the ‘Idiot Wind’ remix right now.
Copenhagen police should watch the conference attendees carefully, in case they decide to riot to protest the depiction of their god Global Warming.
Dr Willie Soon on Global Climate Change
Glen Beck is going to do a piece on CO2 poison now.
Kitefreak said (13:09:14) :
“Sorry, it is Monday, but it’s not funny. I wake up for a new week at work and read the BBC website telling me the Copenhagen conference has started (no sh*t!). Oh, and that 62% of Britons believe climate change is a really serious problem and we need to do something . Now!
Then, I get in my car and drive to my job and listen to Radio Scotland telling me two thirds of Scots believe the same (after reading the rasmussen poll over the weekend – amongst others -which suggested otherwise.”
Hardly surprising results considering the amount of propaganda put out by the BBC in the past few weeks.
Here’s another “climate science” chuckle that proves “the more things change, the more they remain the same!”.
The US National Science Board (part of the National Science Foundation) issued a report titled Science and the Challenges Ahead that makes six interesting science-based observations and predictions. (Three relevant paragraphs from pages 24-25 of the linked document are reproduced here
Direct quotes:
1- “Human activity may be involved on an even broader scale in changing the global climate.”
2- “During the last 20-30 years, world temperature has fallen …”
3- “… there is increasing concern that man himself may be implicated, not only in the recent cooling trend but also in the warming temperatures …
4- “… activities of the expanding human population – especially those involved with the burning of fossil fuels – raised the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, which acts as a ‘greenhouse’ …”
5- “But simulataneously … growing industrialization and the spread of agriculture introduced increasing quantities of dust into the atmosphere which reduced the amount of solar radiation reaching the earth. … the cooling effect of the dust particles more than compensated for the warming effect of the carbon dioxide, and world temperature began to fall.”
6- “Several consequences [of colder temperatures] have been observed: … southward intrusion of sea-ice … unusually large numbers of severe storms … development of a calamitous drought belt extending around the world …”
Oh, I forgot to mention, the report was issued in 1974! (Well before Climategate :^)
Warming, cooling, … whatever – it is always MAN’s fault! (And, of course, WOMAN’s too :^)
Could it be NATURAL CYCLES not within Human Control?
Nope – No grant money in that!
Gentlemen, you’re all getting a bit hot and bothered; you need a calming influence, somthing cool, and green, and long lasting perhaps, something like this…?
http://climate.arm.ac.uk/averages.html
This makes me laugh. Really, and I am allergic to smiling.
Before concluding that Global Warming is a serious problem then let’s see what will happen when the forecast from NOAA showing the combined impact of a negative AO and negative NAO is at the possible greatest point of the year in several days.
I looked at the NOAA forecasts, that point may be reached during the Copenhagen conference assuming it’s a week long, could become a symbol of the Gore effect on a grand scale. 🙂
George would have been an excellent keynote speaker at COP-15.
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George Carlin on Global Warming
Here’s a Tuesday funny. A warmist friend sent me this link, ironically dated just before ClimateGate broke. A classic compendium of crap: http://www-personal.buseco.monash.edu.au/~BParris/BPClimateChangeQ&As.html#_Toc240972830
Cherry-picking, some may say
Is pleasant work and fine,
But murky moil and toil it is
When you’re hiding the decline.
Dan (12:41:34) :
See what the ice looked like from the Canadian governments perspective in September: They would have had to travel a long way north to get into the really old stuff.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/www_archive/AOI_10/Charts/sc_a10_20090907_WIS56CT.gif
Glenn Beck just showed the polar bears dropping from the sky and their blood and guts splattering all over the sidewalk. He warned the parents to not let the children see it.
Funny cartoons notwithstanding, the level of public anger about this intrusion on our personal liberties, taxes, and hypocrisy over a non problem is reaching levels not seen in many years. All one need do is surf around the net to see that a great many people are very close to taking violent action to put a stop to the AGW agenda. If legal action against the EPA and voter action against those in congress who promote the AGW agenda is insufficient there is no doubt in my mind that more aggressive measures will occur. If that comes to pass, the govt. of the US and those of other countries will impose stricter measures on public assembly, freedom of speech, travel, etc. We are heading for a showdown.
Dan (12:41:34) :
I came across this-
http://www.countercurrents.org/manitoba291109.htm
comments?
“Ship navigation across the pole is imminent as the type of ice which resides there is no longer a barrier to ships in the late summer and fall,” Barber says.
And they’ll be proving this hypothesis when?
This doesn’t look quite so funny … more like blatant malfeasance!
Copenhagen climate summit: Barack Obama given power to cut greenhouse gases
Maybe Monkton had the right idea but the wrong ruse. So what do all you US constitution and legal types around here think, will he get away with this?
Unstoppable Solar Cycles
P Stanford (14:37:20) :
Gentlemen, you’re all getting a bit hot and bothered; you need a calming influence, somthing cool, and green, and long lasting perhaps, something like this…?
http://climate.arm.ac.uk/averages.html
Ahhh… That’s much better. Thank you.
Right, now that we know that the science is settled, and there’s no longer any doubt whatsoever that AGW is real, it’s happening, and is going to have catastrophic consequences, why the he** are we still paying for an army of scientists and their hideously expensive supercomputers?
Close down all the climate research facilities and save the taxpayer a bomb – those scientists are becoming something of a liability anyway.
Here in Canada, during the buildup to and on the Eve of Carbonhagen summit, our trusty MSM channels were busy brainwashing the sheople by such gems as “The Inconvenient Truth” and “Hot Planet”, among others. Climategate is, at best, a footnote hidden on some back page. Rex Murphy did a brilliant piece on it. But overall, the party line is still toed here – business and AGW propaganda as usual for MSM.
Aligner – CEI vows to sue: http://cei.org/news-release/2009/12/07/cei-will-file-suit-block-epa-endangerment-finding
I see the Saudis asked for an investigation into climategate… now that IS backed by big oil LOL
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30291.html
maarten (15:01:01) :
Here in Canada, during the buildup to and on the Eve of Carbonhagen summit, our trusty MSM channels were busy brainwashing the sheople by such gems as
It is still going to be cold in Canadia. Don’t get your hopes up.
Dahlinks! You’ve got it all wrong ….
Professor Watson say all Phil was doing was designing some artwork and he wanted the picture to look pretty!
You silly boys and grils! All that fuss over nothing!
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/fuss-about-artwork.html
the science is ro-“busted”.
Ed Scott (14:43:49) :
George would have been an excellent keynote speaker at COP-15.
Just want to recommend and second your comment.
Carlin is (was) brilliant!
I expect the CEI lawsuit to block the EPA will be mostly a battle to get it inside a courtroom. I wish them luck, because a courtroom is exactly what this issue needs, and precisely what the EPA and alarmists should wish to avoid.
However, if this issue ever does go into a courtroom, it could mean a major realignment of executive power/authority. Just imagine this being a precedent for things like marijuana legalization. The list of controlled substances has never gone through any sort of congressional review to determine what should be where. Frankly these sorts of things should be decided by congress, that’s what Congress is for.
Ed Scott (14:58:46) :
Hide the decline was preceeded by Hide the Correlation:
By doctoring the GHCN data, the CRU could ensure that Solar Activity does NOT correlate with their data set, whether it originally did or did not.
Sidelinging Solar Activity as a primary climate driver would have been a key target for CRU. Hide the decline takes on the MWP and the literary record.
BIngo. They get to trumpet C02 warming as “what else can it be”.
Statement from the IPCC working group No1 (the Hadley Centre), in bed with CRU:
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/WGIstatement04122009.pdf
Somehow it seemed unlikely that they were going to put out a statement such as:
“We at the Hadley Centre and the CRU are a bunch of fraudsters. We have been responsible for pulling off the scam of the century”
EPA Issues STOP BREATHING and Exhaling CO2 Fatwa against all Americans!
EPA moves to cut off essential nutrient for plants!
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/12/07/epa-moves-to-cut-off-essential-nutrient-for-plants-and-wants-you-to-stop-breathing
It is blatantly clear that google has supressed “climategate”. Another one apparently Murdochs wife (who controls 90% world media) is a fanatical AGW believer. This may explain the slow take off in mainstream newspapers. They may realize after this is all over that they may have made a fatal mistake because people will remember and they don’t like being taken for a ride (even Montbiot does not like it!)
I have lurked for a couple of years and this is the first time I’ve commented here. So first I would like to say a big thanks to everyone for this entertaining and informative blog.
I have a question on the “hide the decline” issue. I have read a lot of comments about how this downward trend in the proxy data highlights a fatal flaw with tree rings as a temperature proxy. Isn’t it possible that the tree rings are correct and the instrumental temperature record is wrong? Is it possible that the proxy data is highlighting the problem with the instrumental temperature records?
I think you’re going to need a lot funnier cartoon than that Anthony to lift our spirits on this the blackest of Mondays.
It started badly with our Dear Leaders decision to sabotage the hard-won Freedoms of our heritage by letting the travesty that is in Copehagen happen.
Copenhagen will, if sense is to prevail, become a collective noun for a gathering hysterical, self-seeking, scientifically ignorant and myopic self-haters.
I tried not to watch any of the predicted outporings of the BBC today, I failed.
The morbid fascination of watching a disaster unfold finally overcame my resolution and I put the TV on.
I managed to keep my anger down as the impartial Beeb presenters faux-questioned fellow-travellers with opportunities to present the same old cliched responses when challenged by a “sceptic”. I know something of Goebbelian tactics, even though I can’t spell it, dear old aunties employs experts.
I coped with the business as usual and doom laden sepulchral voices that intoned the litany of forthcoming hellfire and damnation. As a child I was brought up Church of Scotland after all, so it all seemed relatively benign!
Even when an angry Sudanese gentleman harangued the Wicked West for trying to wriggle away from paying full financial reparations for the Climate Genocide that it has brought upon the world, I barely raised an eye-brow. The word “Darfur” only briefly went through my thoughts.
I started to lose it, sadly, when an act of child-abuse dressed up as theatre, was dished up. A childs nightmare of climate hell. These people have no moral limits. They are beneath contempt.
Then I found out what the esteemed and most generous POTUS had put on the table at Copenhagen to underline his commitment to the New Age.
RIP, the Carbon Cycle and welcome to the Cyanide Pill of the 21st Century.
Guys, you threw us out for taxing a benign beverage. At least we never taxed the air.
Taking a private jet to a conference on stopping global warming is a bit like traveling in a sedan chair carried by indentured servants to a summit on stopping human trafficking…
@ Jeremy
Interesting, a few months ago the BBC line was that they shouldn’t even cover the sceptic side of the story because that would suggest to the public that there were two sides to the story, whereas in “reality” the science is “settled”.
How different it is now, seeing their efforts to address the sceptic side of the story. It is rather pathetic though. I sat here with my wife and asked her to read a sceptic point and then read the warmist counter argument, and asked her to tell me if the counter argument was in any way an answer, or whether it was even self consistent in a rational way. But it was waffle to her too.
I really take interest when reading the counter arguments to sceptic points, because I do actually enjoy being surprised and having my mind changed. I get bored with my opinions and I like the novelty of having to change them. But the counter arguments are so weak they fail the simple common sense test. Perhaps they have simply dumbed down the science too much, but so be it, if I can read more sense on sceptic web sites, then so be it, and the sceptics will continue to be the better view.
I do hope all this blows over in a decade, because it does sound a bit too much like propaganda. I appreciate they want to unite the world. They can try. Doesn’t mean this is the time to do it, and it doesn’t mean the world is ready for it, no matter how many limos turn up to Copenhagen.
royfomr (15:45:39) :
Aye! Scots against global (Goebbels) warming.
Load a p*sh if ye ask me. Aye tryin’ tae mak ye believe p*sh – dirty b*st*rds….
Sorry mod – snip if you want, but the turbulence is gettin’ severe, capn. She’ll no tak it. The ship was never built to withstand this kind of stress captn.
Captn?
Jim?
Local TV station 7 (Australia) has not even mentioned climategate one iota. But this morning gave a a bunch of short films lasing about 10 minutes total, all very pro AGW in honor of Copenhagen.
Good thing the news isn’t biased in any way. I can’t fathom why they have such a vested interest in someone elses theory.
I think sanity has humor on its side, and funniest of all, regarding Copenhagen, is the 56 newspapers singing from the same hymnbook.
See “Ideology of news: The drowning”:
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/ideology-of-news-the-drowning/
Alan The Other Brit (15:44:25) :
> Isn’t it possible that the tree rings are correct and the instrumental
> temperature record is wrong? Is it possible that the proxy data is
> highlighting the problem with the instrumental temperature records?
I don’t think tht’s the case. Rather, I think that trees are affected by much more than temperature. I can easily see a tree in hot, dry summers growing less than in slightly cooler, but wetter summers. A tree probably makes a better proxy hygrometer than a proxy thermometer.
vulgarmorality (16:28:19) :
I find the 56 newspapers singing from the same hymn sheet the most worrying thing of all. That says is all really – in terms of the mass conciousness being manipulated by, well, maybe we need to do some research in that area, all of us.
ROTFL!!! ……… Now that is funny.
My own conclusion: The effects of “Global Warming” are real; it can be measured in the rapid increase in taxes and laws.
It would be a great opportunity for some social science professors to conduct some studies I think, as we are on the very verge of something profound.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233988/Mac–The-Copenhagen-Summit.html
heres one for ya!!!
My unauthorised amendment of Al Gore’s moving poem from his book, Our Choice is here.
I like his boxer. lol..
Matt in the UK Telegraph… 🙂
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/?cartoon=6737442&cc=6695729
There’s one thing that “Climategate” has been really good at just like in the picture, pulling the pants down on alarmists all over the intrernet thingy.
Interviewr: So what does it take to be head of the Mafia??
Hood: You have to learn to be able to lie, to cheat, to be absolutely ruthless with people who criticise you
Interviewer: Anything else??
Hood: Yeah…you have to be the sort of person who would sell their own mother to the devil….
Interviewer: So how did you train for that? I mean where would you learn those skills?
Hood: Easy…I was a global warming climatologist.
Surely those shorts should have little polar bears on them…
@Ed Scott
Thank you for the George Carlin link. A very impressive critique. Hilarious. It really does come down to human arrogance. It gives me a thought, we’ve been sending stuff into the solar system, and each probe has mass, a mass that exerts a gravitational effect on other planets…. a human induced gravitational tipping point might be coming! Saturn could smash into Jupiter! Please, won’t somebody save the solar system!? We have to act now! We need an Intergovernmental Panel on Orbit Change!!
The Chinese ambassador comments on his country’s progress: click
Photo —
extinct starvung polar bear nibbles
unalert plump frostbitten greenpeas ice floe hugger
for breakfast
http://sermitsiaq.gl/klima/article105198.ece
I am very happy to see Nate Beeler’s work get noticed. Nate grew up in our congregation and went to High School with my kids. He is a very talented young man and deserves a wide audience.
There are also some other clever cartoons this week by Michael Ramirez re climategate
see http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/MichaelRamirez/2009/12/5
and http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/MichaelRamirez/2009/12/1
Enjoy
APE
They actually printed this in my local paper yesterday!!!