JPL's Patzert: "It's actually eroding the credibility of long-range forecasters and climatologists"

The 2009 “super El Nino” predicted by some may be a “fizzle” according reports attributed to NASA JPL’s Climatologist Bill Patzert. I wonder who he might be referring to when he says “eroding the credibility”? Hansen’s prediction perhaps?

GONE? The reddish-orange satellite markings visible at the equator during a class El Nino seem to have disappeared, says JPL. The red spots shown here, above the equator, depict a current.
GONE? The reddish-orange satellite markings visible at the equator during a class El Nino seem to have disappeared, says JPL. The red spots shown here, above the equator, depict a current. Image courtesy of NASA.

Excerpts from three different articles below:

This year’s El Nino expected to be mild

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/21/content_12086294.htm

LOS ANGELES, Sept. 20 (Xinhua) — This year’s El Nino would be mild, resembling the pattern of 2006 and 2007, weather experts said in remarks published on Sunday.

The oscillation of hot water in the eastern Pacific Ocean is going to be a let-down, in terms of precipitation over a parched California, Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) researcher Bill Patzert told the San Diego Union-Tribune.

“This El Nino is definitely puny,” Patzert said , adding that this year’s pattern resembles the mild El Nino of 2006-2007, which left California’s snowpack and reservoirs short of what water experts had coveted: an end to five years of drought.

Although the jet stream pattern still shows that California might get a wet winter, the likelihood of floods and massive rains is diminishing, the paper quoted climatologists as saying.

“We’re planning for a dry 2010,” said Elissa Lynn, senior meteorologist for the state Department of Water resources, in an interview with the paper.

El Nino is the name given to a change in Pacific currents that moves the jet stream and storm track from their normal vectors. Strong El Ninos can see Southern California’s coastal plains get triple the normal 10-12 inches of annual rainfall.

This year’s El Nino appeared to be off to a strong start, but has fizzled.

Patzert said it’s time to find a new name for mild El El Niño, so that the public is not confused.

“You have to reserve the name ‘El Niño’ for the real big events that only happen every 12 to 14 years,” he said.

“It’s actually eroding the credibility of long-range forecasters and climatologists.”

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From the SD Union Tribune article:

Forecasters have struggled to assess this year’s El Niño, he said. Initially, one report suggested it would become the second-strongest episode on record. Now, some say El Niño has peaked and is already fading.

The atmosphere is not behaving as weather models predicted in the early summer, said Mike McPhaden, a senior scientist at the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle. El Niño has “developed in fits and starts,” he said.

Patzert said weak and moderate El Niños shouldn’t even be labeled El Niños.

“You have to reserve the name ‘El Niño’ for the real big events that only happen every 12 to 14 years,” he said. “It’s actually eroding the credibility of long-range forecasters and climatologists.”

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From The Orange County register “Science Dude” Blog:

Bill Patzert, a climatologist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory who studies El Niño and advises CPC, says in an email, “There is considerable uncertainty among scientists as to whether this event will have the staying power to deliver the dramatic impacts that were seen during the last intense El Niño episode, which happened in 1997-1998.”

Recent satellite images show that the distinct signature of El Niño that appears directly along the equator has faded, and that the system may have slipped into neutral status.

“At this time, it is a long shot for this El Nino to expand and intensify into the fall and elevate the present weak to moderate El Niño episode to a stronger event,” Patzert says. “For comparison, the August 21, 1997, TOPEX/Poseidon image of the macho 1997-1998 El Niño is included here. In size and intensity it dwarfs the present conditions.”

Note the sea surface heat signature at the equator.Note the sea surface heat signature at the equator.
h/t to WUWT reader Suzanne Smart
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Hell_Is_Like_Newark
September 21, 2009 7:21 pm

I love the pic of the Hurricane off the Eastern seaboard…. its about 1/3 the size of the continental United States. Category 7 storm?

cam
September 21, 2009 7:29 pm

Well the Japanese Marine and Space Agency initially said way back in March that the El Nino would be barely an El Nino, and their statement flew in the face of most other weather bureau predictions (including our own here in Australia – the BoM). The the Japanese seemed to have got caught up in the hype of forecasting an El Nino. But it appears they’ve stuck to their word and are saying it will be a mild one. Our Bureau of Met here in Oz can’t seem to work it out, and their commentary on their fortnightly ENSO Wrap Up is trying to have a bet both ways.
If you look at the latest SOI values of the past 6-8 weeks, if anything we could be headed for another La Nina episode!

September 21, 2009 7:46 pm

Mike Bryant (12:18:40) :
Little El Niño = El Niñito
Super El Niño = El Niñon

Little El Niño = El Niñito
Super El Niño = El Niñote
Stronger El Niño = El Niñonón
Current El Niño = El… Errr… Niño-Niña
😉

September 21, 2009 8:04 pm

Re: paulhan 15:43:33 Yes, a molecule of CO2 has a lot more mass than a mixed molecule of air (about 80% nitrogen, and about 20% oxygen). But that does not lead to CO2 separating out and falling to the surface by earth’s gravitation. Brownian movements of the molecules keep them pretty well mixed. To separate the two by using the mass difference, you would need something like the gas centrifuges used to separate uranium hexafluoride isomers, where the g-forces are many times that of earth.

AnonyMoose
September 21, 2009 9:30 pm

“Niñoito” no such word in Spanish

Yeah, but I was going for a diminutive of “El Niño”, not the diminutive of “Niño”. Of course, then we’d be teaching bad Spanish to millions.
I’m also tempted by “Nacho Libre”, but more tickled with a diminutive of “Bada Bing” whatever it might be (“Bada Bing Bada?”).

September 22, 2009 1:23 am

Retired BChe (20:04:21) :
Thanks.
Do CO2 molecules actually bind to other molecules in the air? I had this vision of CO2 getting released into the atmosphere, and then getting carried up on air currents, whereupon they then start to descend. More heat would tend to keep them up a little longer, and less heat allow them to fall quicker. I appreciate this is simplistic, but is this not how it works?
Paul

Merrick
September 22, 2009 3:56 am

I’ve got a better idea. We keep calling them El Nino and La Nina (because that’s what they are) but we just stop making ridiculous Armageddon-like predictions concerning them.

Nylo
September 22, 2009 4:52 am

OT: Some corrections from a Spaniard:
La Niña = The child (female)
El Niño = The child (male). The oceanic pattern got this name referencing little child Jesus because it usually gets stronger around Christmas.
Niñito / Niñín = little child (male).
Niño chiquitín = very little child (male).
Niñato = nasty child (male)
Niñazo = big child (male) / a hit using a child (any sex) as the hitting tool.
Niñón / Niñote: also posible as “big child”, but not in use, at least in Spain.
“Nono” doesn’t exist. However “Ñoño” is an adjective that means both “prudish” and “dull”.
Regarding the noun-adjective order in spanish, first-noun-then-adjective is normally the preferred order, but it is not mandatory and the opposite is also correct in most cases (it only sounds a bit strange). However a few adjectives change their form depending on where they are put: Niño grande = Gran niño.

JP
September 22, 2009 5:00 am

Who was forecasting a Super El Nino? I don’t recall any agency predicting one earlier this year. Hansen shouldn’t count – he isn’t a forecaster; he doesn’t work for a forecasting agency (GISS, as far as I know doesn’t issue forecasts), and he shouldn’t be issueing forecasts in any event. Did NOAA’s LRF guys predict a Super El Nino earlier this year? Everyone I know from Joe Bastardi to Anthony Watts were expecting this years El Nino as far back as last autumn, but I can’t recall anyone forecasting a Super El Nino.
When I forecasted the weather many moons ago, one of the first things an old salt told me is to never forecast record events and stay with persistence until you have enough concrete evidence to support going against it. I would take quite a bit of hard concrete data for forecasters to predict a Super El Nino.

Chris Knight
September 22, 2009 7:27 am

Wade (12:00:54) :
We can call the little El Niño events El Pequeño Niño. I don’t know much Spanish, but I do know pequeño means little. And that rhymes, which is what I like. (I always forget which types of adjectives go before or after the noun in Spanish. Except color, I know color goes after the noun.)
Hence “pikininny” in pidjin – little child

An Inquirer
September 22, 2009 8:21 am

JP:
From NOAA in July: “NOAA expects this El Niño to continue developing during the next several months, with further strengthening possible. The event is expected to last through winter 2009-10. . . . NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment . . .”
From Climate Progress: “NOAA says “El Niño arrives; Expected to Persist through Winter 2009-10″ — and that means record temperatures are coming and this will be the hottest decade on record.”
From NOAA in September: NEW YORK (Reuters) – The U.S. Climate Prediction Center said Thursday the El Nino weather anomaly should strengthen this fall and through the 2009/10 northern hemisphere winter.

gary gulrud
September 22, 2009 9:53 am

Mike McMillan (12:59:40) :
La Nada.
Indeed. Two or three of the required 5 running 3 month averages equals nada. Thank you for participating, NOAA. What size T-Shirt would you like?

Adam
September 22, 2009 10:14 am

re: JP (05:00:41):
“Who was forecasting a Super El Nino?”
I also could not find any agency/forecaster predicting a “super” el nino this year. Even the reference to Hansen’s prediction at the top of the post was for the 2006/2007 season…

coaldust
September 22, 2009 10:44 am

Nylo (04:52:50) :
Thus, El Niño Ñoño?

Don S.
September 22, 2009 12:21 pm

Hladik: Los Ninnies

September 22, 2009 1:01 pm

AnonyMoose (21:30:56) :
“Niñoito” no such word in Spanish
Yeah, but I was going for a diminutive of “El Niño”, not the diminutive of “Niño”. Of course, then we’d be teaching bad Spanish to millions.
I’m also tempted by “Nacho Libre”, but more tickled with a diminutive of “Bada Bing” whatever it might be (”Bada Bing Bada?”).

AnonyMoose is correct; the correct way would be El Niño-ito for a little “El Niño”. If we were referring to a little boy in Spanish, it should be “el niñito” or “el chiquillo”.

An Inquirer
September 22, 2009 5:44 pm

Adam (10:14:25) : “. . . the reference to Hansen’s prediction at the top of the post was for the 2006/2007 season…”
Actually GISS has persisted in a forecast of a strong El Nino. From GISS Jan. 13, 2009: “Given our expectation of the next El Niño beginning in 2009 or 2010, it still seems likely that a new global temperature record will be set within the next 1-2 years . . .” If you wish to be picky, yes, GISS did not use the word “super” in their website, but I remember many references to a strong El Nino a fe months ago, with reiteration that we will have new temperature records.
BTW: I wonder what kind of fool would bet against the house, when house gets to announce what is in its hand without verification.

Britannic no-see-um
September 24, 2009 6:38 am

They say El Nino, and we say El Nono.
Lets call the whole thing off.
Sorry Gershwin

Icarus
September 26, 2009 6:26 am

“The 2009 “super El Nino” predicted by some may be a “fizzle” according reports attributed to NASA JPL’s Climatologist Bill Patzert.
It’s difficult to take this article seriously when it doesn’t even cite one single instance of anyone predicting a 2009 ‘super El Niño’.

Icarus
September 26, 2009 7:02 am

An Inquirer (17:44:28) : “Actually GISS has persisted in a forecast of a strong El Nino. From GISS Jan. 13, 2009: “Given our expectation of the next El Niño beginning in 2009 or 2010, it still seems likely that a new global temperature record will be set within the next 1-2 years . . .” If you wish to be picky, yes, GISS did not use the word ‘super’…”
It’s not exactly being picky, is it? They predicted an El Niño in 2009 or 2010 and they were right. They are predicting a new global temperature record in the next 1 – 2 years and we will have to wait and see if they are right on that one too.