This is a guest post by Prof. Richard Betts, Head of Climate Impacts at the Met Office, (IPCC AR4 and AR5 lead author) about Lewandowsky, Oreskes et al’s forthcoming paper, which suggests that climate skeptics influence climate scientists.
Richard’s post starts now.
Stephan Lewandowsky and co-authors have published an Executive Summary of their forthcoming paper* Seepage: Climate change denial and its effect on the scientific community. The authors suggest that climate scientists are allowing themselves to be influenced by “contrarian memes” and give too much attention to uncertainty in climate science. They express concern that this would invite inaction in addressing anthropogenic climate change. It’s an intriguing paper, not least because of what it reveals about the authors’ framing of the climate change discourse (they use a clear “us vs. them” framing), their assumptions about the aims and scope of climate science, and their awareness of past research. However, the authors seem unable to offer any real evidence to support their speculation, and I think their conclusions are incorrect.
As their example of scientists apparently giving undue weight to “contrarian memes”, Lewandowsky et al focus on what they describe as the “asymmetry of the scientific response to the so-called Œpause’”. They assert that “on previous occasions when decadal warming was particularly rapid, the scientific community did not give short-term climate variability the attention it has recently received”. They do not specifically identify the “previous occasions when decadal warming was particularly rapid”, but it’s fair to assume that they are referring to the 1990s, probably the period 1992-1998. This was the most recent occasion when global mean temperatures rose rapidly for a few years, and previous such occasions occurred before climate science had become established as a widely established field of research.
This assertion, however, is incorrect. Short-term climate variability did receive a lot of attention in the 1990s see extensive discussion in the first 3 IPCC Assessment Reports, and brief discussion by Hawkins et al (Nature Climate Change, 2014). One specific example of a high-profile paper on this topic is Sutton & Allen (Nature, 1997), but there are others.
It is perplexing that Lewandowsky et al do not seem to be aware of this research on short-term climate variability. One explanation may be that there is more effective communication of research. Social media opens up many more channels through which climate scientists can communicate their work, instead of this communication being done by middle-men in the mainstream media or vested-interest organisations such as NGOs as in the 1990s. Those outside of the climate science community are therefore much more likely to be exposed to topics that are of interest to the scientists themselves, rather than just topics which interest newspaper editors or environmental campaigners.
Possibly Lewandowsky et al are wondering why there was not a raft of papers specifically focussing on the observed temperature record between 1992 and 1998. The reason is simple this was not a particularly surprising event. When global temperatures rose rapidly few a few years after 1992, this was very easily explained by the tailing-off of the short-term cooling influence of the Mount Pinatubo eruption. This had cooled the Earth briefly by injecting large quantities of ash into the stratosphere. Indeed this cooling had been successfully predicted by Jim Hansen using a climate model shortly after the eruption. A few years later, 1998 was an exceptionally warm year globally because of a major El Nino event. The fact that these two events were well understood and even partly predicted in advance meant that there was less of a puzzle to be solved, so less motivation for extensive research on the drivers of global temperature over these specific years. In contrast, the trajectory of global temperatures in the last 15 years or so was not specifically predicted in advance. Although global temperatures remain within the envelope of uncertainty implied by multi-model studies, this is not the same as actually predicting it. So this time, there is an interesting puzzle to be investigated.
I have not actually counted or systematically reviewed the papers on variability in the 1990s compared to those in more recent years, so although there was a lot of variability research in the 1990s, it is still possible that there are more variability papers in the latter period. However, even if this is the case, there are other reasons for this. Users of climate information (and hence funding bodies) are increasingly interested in adaptation planning, which tends to require information in the nearer-term when natural variability dominates. More recently this has matured into the agenda of Climate Services, which includes forecasting on seasonal, inter annual and decadal timescales. This has led to the development of new scientific capabilities to address this need, eg. very large ensembles of climate models, initialised forecasting (where models use data assimilation to start from actual present-day data rather than pre-industrial), increased resolution, and greater computing power. So in addition to the scientific motivation to study variability which already existed in the 1990s, there is additional motivation coming from stakeholders and funding bodies, and also more extensive capability for this research.
Lewandowsky at al regard research into natural variability as “entertaining the possibility that a short period of a reduced rate of warming presents a challenge to the fundamentals of greenhouse warming.” Is there any evidence at all of climate scientists actually thinking this? I don’t think so. This indicates a fundamental misconception about the scope and aims of current climate science – the authors seem to assume that climate science is entirely focussed on anthropogenic climate change, and that natural variability is only researched as a supplementary issue in order to support the conclusions regarding anthropogenic influence. However, the truth is very different natural variability was always of interest to scientists as part of understanding how the climate system works, and Climate Services and the ambitions for short term forecasting are now major research drivers. It is true that some papers have also used the observational record to try to understand and constrain key quantities of relevant to anthropogenic change, namely equilibrium climate sensitivity and transient climate response, but this is hardly addressing the “fundamentals of greenhouse warming”, it is simply trying to reduce uncertainty in one of the key aspects of it. Such studies certainly do not limit themselves purely to the “pause” period instead, they include it in a much longer period of many decades, since this is the timescale of relevance to changes in greenhouse forcing. Exclusion of recent years from such studies would lead to misleading results, so of course the “pause” period is going to be included.
So the perceived “asymmetry” can be easily explained purely as an evolution of scientific focus and capability over the last 25 years. Nevertheless, the hypothesis of psychological influences is intriguing. Could it still be happening even though the specific example of increased research on variability can be explained by other factors? Lewandowsky et al suggest three mechanisms by which their proposed “seepage” may occur does the evidence support these proposed mechanisms? Here I focus on the situation in the UK, as this is where I am most familiar, and also because this is where a focus on the “pause” is quite common.
The first proposed mechanism is dubbed “Stereotype Threat”. The idea is that climate scientists are worried about being stereotyped as “alarmists”, and react by downplaying the threat. I agree that there may be some evidence for this in the IPCC and the global climate science community – for example, although the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) included projections based on the high-end A1FI scenario, these were performed with the simpler Integrated Assessment Models rather than full, complex General Circulation Models. Moreover, the media focus on the projections sometimes did overlook the A1FI projection of warming up to 6.4C by 2100. (Indeed I was told by a long-established and respected environment journalist that the media were very much steered away from the A1FI result when AR4 was published in 2007.) This was indeed one of the motivations for my paper “When could global warming reach 4C?” as felt that the A1FI scenario had not received the attention it warranted. However, despite this possible example of reticence by the IPCC, the UK community does not seem to have followed suit. The A1FI scenario was used in the UKCIP02 and UKCP09 climate projections, and a number of high profile UK conferences focussed on the higher-end risks of climate change, eg. “Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change” in Exeter in 2005; and “4 Degrees and Beyond”, Oxford, 2009. UK research institutions are leading two major EU-funded consortia on the impacts of “high-end climate change” (I’m coordinating one of these, HELIX, myself). So while talk of the “pause” is commonplace in the UK climate science community, this does not seem to be accompanied by shying away from discussing projections and risks of higher-end climate change.
The second proposed mechanism is dubbed “Pluralistic Ignorance”, which refers to people thinking that their views are more in the minority than they really are. The authors offer the speculative example of public discourse that IPCC has supposedly exaggerated the threat of climate change. This does not seem to be the case in the UK there is general public acceptance of anthropogenic climate change, and uniquely non-partisan political consensus on taking action on mitigation. For example, a recent article in the Guardian states:
“Britons are more likely to agree the climate is changing than at any time in recent years, with nearly nine in 10 people saying climate change is happening and 84% attributing this somewhat or entirely to human activity, new research has found. Two-thirds say they are concerned by global warming.”
Over the past 25 years, successive UK governments have led the world in supporting climate science and in developing climate policy both at home and internationally. The Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher personally founded the Met Office Hadley Centre, and at the same time the UK was prominent in establishing the IPCC. For the first 4 IPCC assessment reports, the UK government played a central role by supporting an IPCC Co-Chair and Technical Support Unit in the Met Office Hadley Centre. The UK has been central to the UN climate negotiations, and under the Labour government of 1997-2010 was the first country to put in place its own legislation on reducing emissions and planning adaptation (the Climate Change Act). In the 2010 election, the Conservative Party manifesto was keen to promote its environmental policies, and prior to the recent election the three main parties signed a statement supporting continuation of the Climate Change Act. Hence, if there is any country in the world where climate scientists can feel that their research is valued by both the public and politicians, it is the UK.
The final proposed mechanisms is dubbed the “Third person effect”, and refers to the idea that someone may think that others are more easily persuaded than they are themselves, and react to this. This seems quite plausible, but I fail to see why this would not apply equally to arguments from activists and politicians aiming to persuade people of the threat of climate change. In fact, given the widespread public and political agreement on anthropogenic climate change in the UK, it seems far more likely that the “Third Person Effect” would apply to being persuaded by arguments in favour of acting on climate change than by those against it.
So overall I do not see that “seepage of contrarian memes” is necessary to explain research on the recent slowdown in global surface warming, nor do I see any evidence that this is likely to be occurring in the UK climate science community where such research is prominent.
There are further intriguing questions arising from the facts that (1) UK scientists discuss the “pause/slowdown”, (2) the UK public acceptance of anthropogenic climate change and (3) successive UK governments have been, and remain, world-leaders in climate policy. If climate scientists have indeed allowed themselves to be influenced by “contrarians”, it would appear that this has not prevented widespread acceptance of anthropogenic climate change or the development and implementation of climate policy. Indeed, if scientific discussion of the “pause/slowdown” is indeed seen by the public and politicians as considering a “contrarian meme”, could it actually be the case that a clear willingness to consider a range of viewpoints could actually enhance the credibility of climate scientists? Therefore could open discussion of the “pause” actually increase the confidence of the public and the government in their advice that climate change is real and man-made? It seems fair to suggest that an intelligent and thoughtful public and politicians would take scientists more seriously if they are seen to be objective indeed some research does support this supposition.
So to conclude, I think Lewandowsky et al are incorrect that scientific research and discussion into the recent climate variability has arisen as a result of the “seepage of contrarian memes”. Variability has always been a key topic in climate research, and if this has become more extensive or visible in this recently, it is simply the result of improved science communication, more specific research questions and evolving capabilities within climate science. The evidence also suggests that even if “seepage” is real, at the very least this seepage has had no influence in watering-down UK public opinion and political action compared to other countries – and that possibly the opposite has occurred because the public are more convinced by seeing scientists being objective.
Footnote:
*it seems they expected the paper to be published at the same time, but it is not yet available. Stephan offers to send the corrected proofs to anyone who emails him.
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Note
[BarryJWoods] – This article was 1st published at the AndThenTheresPhysics blog and has been republished here with permission of Professor Betts to allow it a wider audience, and for those that are unable to comment at the other blog
This is my personal opinion, I think that it again highlights a major difference of opinion of just how science should be communicated to the public. This was demonstrated by the twitter conversation between Dr Doug McNeall and Dr Naomi Oreskes last September where they discussed the usage of the word ‘pause’, Dr Oreskes said she was writing a paper about what words to use (presumably the ‘seepage ‘paper ) which led to Dr McNeall’s comment below (link which was discussed further at WUWT here)
This gave the impression, to me at least, that a number of scientists really want to talk about the science to the public and others just want to control the message that the public hear. And for me, that the former approach rather trusts the intelligence of the public more, than the latter communications approach of apparently wanting to control the language used publicly by scientists.
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Good on Richard.
While I much appreciate and commend Richard Betts’ willingness to open discussion, I consider this to be possibly the first volley of what will become the get out phase.
It wasn’t all that unexpected so there was not reason to comment or do more research? Well 1990-2000 was just the period that was being used to produce projections of exponential temperature rise and alarmist claims that we were all going to burn if we did not change our ways . If it was all so normal and expected in advance WTF was all the fuss about?
It wasn’t us, it was the media and NGOs making all the fuss? I don’t recall many climate scientists objecting in the 1990s, 2000s, post-AR4 or more recently. The notable exception was Judith Curry who was roundly turned on as heretic when she stood up and said it was time to get climate science back on the rails in 2006.
Thank you prof Betts, it’s going to be a long row back, I hope your rollocks are well greased.
It’s about 15 or 20 years too late, but better late than never. Bon vent et von voyage.
It ‘s interesting that Professor Betts is on the editorial board of Global Environmental Change:
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/global-environmental-change/editorial-board/
Betts still consorting with attp means his willingness to openly talk to the public ought be caveated.
The piece also fails to consider the underlying meaning of Lew’s “Soviet Psychiatry” approach, and especially the idea that Betts, McNeall and others be too stupid to resist the skeptical Sirens, to the point of having their professional activities influenced if not directed by amateurs.
“Consorting” with attp? You mean engaging and challenging him?
Granted attp takes a preconceived/intolerant/propaganda attitude, but surely engagment is a good thing. You surely don’t think Betts is similarly jaundiced do you?
We should applaud Richard Betts for exposing nonsense regardless of its provenance. We should also realize that Betts’ day has 24 hours only, just like ours, and that he therefore cannot expose all nonsense that is written in the name of climate.
Betts was the guy who said that the failure of climate models doesn’t matter because they’re not important. I don’t really see how I’m supposed to endorse such a character. He’s part of warmunism, and they can keep him.
I agree that the climate models aren’t important. That others try to make a brave new world based on model output is a different story.
The underlying dispute that the “pause” is not occurring is accepted because their “secular belief” that all the heat is going into the oceans as gospel. What, prey tell, is the physical mechanism that causes this heat to preferentially divert from the land surfaces to the deep oceans???
Pete J:
And if it’s down there, how long will it take to come out again? Not in my lifetime – or my many family generations to come.
Betts’ job relies on climate models. It exists because of climate models. He is part of the team that demanded the £97m from the UK taxpayer for a new computer for his useless climate model. He has zero credibility where I’m concerned. I don’t presume for 1 minute that that will have any effect on him or his thinking.
However, this means that when he “chooses to expose nonsense” I tend to question his motives. This form of communication tends to be used by some people as a diversionary tactic.
Stephen Richards
May 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm
“Betts’ job relies on climate models. It exists because of climate models. He is part of the team that demanded the £97m from the UK taxpayer for a new computer for his useless climate model. He has zero credibility where I’m concerned. I don’t presume for 1 minute that that will have any effect on him or his thinking.”
Nail. Head.
If someone came up with a forecasting (weather) method that was totally accurate and laid down the process for replicating that accuracy forever (climate) a lot of such ‘jobs’ would be forfeit. Government departments would be laid barren. Funding would shrivel up. All speculation on weather dependent ‘futures’ would cease. A fat portion of academia would wither on the vine. The entire collection of papers showing some warming at the end of C20 due to CO2 would become (even more and more quickly) redundant. All the dimwitted eschatologists would be heart-broken not to mention the concerned NGOs, politicians and general troughers. A paradigm shift.
The perpetrator would be in a heap of trouble if they didn’t publish fully, widely and instantaneously – open source – IMHO. Forecasting has been risky since the beginning but uncounted vested interests would be more than furious if such were to occur including the (insert three letter government acronym here).
Never say never.
Agreed. An open discussion provides more credibility, especially when it weeds out extremism.
I do applaud Richard. Contradicting those who want only to impose their views/values/objectives on everyone else is a first step toward draing the infection. I am sure Richard will meet with…. ahem… resistance from the most extreme green activists. Lets hope more prominent climate scientists join Richard in starting to disconnect the field from the most extreme activists.
Well done Richard
Its important to keep civil dialogue going. The idea you are pepetrating a hoax or are busy changing historic temperature data at every opportunity I find ludicrous.
Now, when we met I mentioned that book in the Met Office library written some 80 years ago concerning British weather events to 1450. I suggested either the Met Office reprints it or they allow me to do so. Its an important book. Any thoughts?
tonyb
Careful now Barry, Naomi will have you shot.
Funny…but the New Yorker just ran a satirical piece about a scientific study on humans who just won’t accept facts. But they had not yet studied those fact deniers under conditions of derivation on oxygen, water, or food which might solve the condition. So the AGW crowd is getting feisty about its capacity to reach for repression to have its way!
I’m at a bit of a loss to understand why anyone takes Lewandowsky seriously, especially on matters relating to climate change. He evidently has a bee in his bonnet about those who refuse to sign up to the AGW meme and it is hardly surprising that that colours his thinking but research is not supposed to be designed to confirm the researcher’s views.
In the long run, or perhaps even sooner, the climate science community is going to recognise Lewandowsky for the embarrassing clown that he is. Cook and Nuccitelli as well!
I am equally lost. Utterly lost.
Me too. The man’s such an obvious charlatan, and not, I believe, universally celebrated in his own field.
Got to hand it to Oreskes, she’s not reticent about exposing her desire to control the message. Or could it really be that, in her groupthinking echo chamber, they really do believe that the pause/hiatus/halt in rising temperatures really is just a denier’s deliberate, malicious urban myth.
Just how far detached, in every regard, can Lewandowsky and Oreskes be from ACTUAL science, I wonder.
It appears that in her echo chamber, the hypothesis that all the “missing heat” of the last 18 years went into the ocean is an indisputable fact, not just a possibility.
I can’t figure out what she’s got against clams.
“We should not repeated false clams. Even from scientists.”
LOL. Groteskes can’t even write proper English.
Teh horror.
Isn’t there a Climategate email (possibly from Phil Jones, or if not from one of the Team) musing about ‘They will kill us if all we are measuring is (natural) multidecadel variation’
I cannot remember the precise wording, nor the date of the email, but it does demonstrate that even the Team foresaw the possibility that the measured (or is that the adjusted and tweaked) recent warming was nothing more than a cycle of multidecadel variation.
Perhaps someone who is more familiar with Climategate will post the email that I am thinking about.
richard verney,
It was Tommy Wils: http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1682.txt
The memorable soundbite is all the way at the bottom, emphasized with my bold. I begin, however, with a good portion of the discussion leading up to it:
> —–Ursprüngliche Nachricht—–
> Von: ITRDB Dendrochronology Forum
> [mailto:???@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU ]Im Auftrag von Tommy Wils
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2007 18:40
> An: ???@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Betreff: Re: [ITRDBFOR] should we, as a discipline, respond to Climate
> Audit
>
>
> Dear forum,
>
> I think that we (as a discipline) are facing 2 problems: the ignoring
> (McIntyre c.s.) and the panicking (Guardian, etc.) sides. I think we face
> the problem of uncertainty, which can be used by everybody in the way they
>
> want. The balance from the perspective of our discipline is that there is
> evidence that human-induced global warming is going on. However there is
> more.
>
> – We cannot stop carbon emissions at once. We would induce a global civil
> war far worse than global warming itself.
> – Reducing carbon emissions from just the climate change point of view is
> living in a non-real world: there is more. Fossil fuels are getting
> scarcer
> and thus more expensive. If we do not start changing our energy regime
> NOW,
> we will run into economical problems from shortage of fuels next
> tosuspected global warming.
> – Replacing fossil fuels by agriculturally produced oils will endanger
> food
> security in the world, we have to search for real alternatives.
> – Cars driving on electricity will save the cities from pollution.
> – Politicians like Al Gore are abusing the fear for global warming to get
> into power (while having a huge carbon footprint himself), as Bush abused
> the fear for muslim terrorism to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Fear is far
> more dangerous than the fact itself!
> – American and European need for oil leads to imperialism and subsequent
> resistence (terrorism as they call it). Changing this dependence is
> crucial
> for world peace.
> – Climate is a naturally varying system: what would we do if global
> warming
> was natural? It would be still as dangerous…
> – The UK raised taxes on flights, e.g. £20 of additional tax on a flight
> to
> Australia, pure nonense. The only effect it has is that people are being
> robbed by the government and hence the stability of the democracy is
> threatened. Nobody will cancel a £1200 flight for £20.
> – etc. etc.
>
> I think we have to try to get the balance, the nuance into the discussion,
> even though it is not our specialism – the problem is that it is nobody’s
> specialism and so we live in a fragmented world flying from one extreme to
>
> the other. If you reply to McIntyre in a scientific way you will only
> increase this fragmentation. For society, it is the bigger picture that
> counts, not just what David said, but also the bigger bigger picture of
> which I have given some examples. Statistically we simply cannot defend
> global warming, therefore it is going on too short and it is too complex,
> but if we wait we are too late. I think actually that the tendency of
> scientists to insist that global warming is real and dangerous to convince
> stubborn governments is the primary cause of existence of such radicals
> like
> McIntyre. We must admit our uncertainties, but also paint the bigger
> bigger
> picture.
>
> (It is like going on fieldwork to Ethiopia. You don’t argue well the
> chances
> that I get yellow fever are relatively small, I don’t do a vaccination.
> But
> you also don’t argue I am going to spend £10.000 on medical preparations
> to
> protect yourself from everything. The chances that global warming is real
> are high enough to act accordingly, but too low to panick and ruin the
> world
> from the causes of anti-global-warming measures)
>
> Tommy
> —–Original Message—–
> From: ITRDB Dendrochronology Forum [mailto: ???@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]
> On
> Behalf Of Dr. Constantin Sander
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:55 AM
> To: ???@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Subject: [ITRDBFOR] AW: [ITRDBFOR] should we, as a discipline, respond to
> Climate Audit
>
> The job of a scientist is producing knowledge and reporting it. If there
> is
> incidence for future developments, that could be harmful, it should also
> be
> his/her job to point this out. But it is not the job of a scientist to act
> on the a political scene, if he/she wants to keep its independence. It is
> the job of politicians to draw conclusions from science.
>
> In Germany we had a big discussion about forest decline in the 1980s. Some
> scientist warned that the forests would die within a few decades. This was
> a
> pure guess, not based on any serious models. They discredited their
> subject
> this way and we now get the reply: “Hey, forest decline was a stupid lie,
> so
> climate change must be too.”
>
> Thus, we should rely on our scientific results, not on any political
> conclusions.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Best regards
> Constantin
On 3/28/07, David M. Lawrence wrote:
>
> The more I listen to scientists claim that their (our) job is to report on
> science and avoid politics, the more I wonder about the historical
> validity
> of the alleged separation between science and politics.
>
> I’m starting to suspect that the alleged separation is purely a fantasy
> from
> a historical point of view. Scientists have always been engaged in
> politics, sometimes for good (advocating vaccination campaigns against
> smallpox, for example) and sometimes for ill (arguing for the improvement
> of
> the “white” race by eugenics), but scientists have had their “meddling”
> fingers in politics for centuries, maybe millennia, without any lasting
> ill
> effects on our current ability to investigate the workings of the world or
>
> to influence the development of public policy today.
>
> Dave
date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:37:09 +010 ???
from: Tommy Wils
subject: Re: [ITRDBFOR] AW: [ITRDBFOR] should we, as a discipline, respond
to: ???@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Some quotes:
‘he does not seem to play by the rules’
‘dendro bible’
‘authoritative backing’
‘The job of a scientist is producing knowledge’
Rules, bible, authority? This is the wrong rhetorics. If we claim that
established science (we) is the and the only access to knowledge or truth,
we become quite arrogant or even tyrannical. About creationists: I don’t
have any trouble with people believing that God created the world if that
helps them facing their existential life questions (anyway I don’t know
whether science can ever say more about metaphysics than that it doesn’t
exist, based on the assumption that what cannot be perceived by the senses
is not real). About climate change: the problem with people believing that
it is a lie are dangerous if it turns out that we are right. Solution:
scientists talk about probabilities, not about truth or knowledge (read some
postmodern philosophers). I think we have to ‘teach’ society that and how to
deal with it – see my Ethiopia example.
As science is not neutral but based on numerous assumptions, we cannot just
stand aside as ‘knowledge producers’. We are part of society, we have the
duty to be humble, explain our assumptions and results in a realistic
and understandable way and to put it into a broader context.
“Hey, forest decline was a stupid lie, so climate change must be too.”
What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural
fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably…
Back to McIntyre: what to do? Get away from the YES and NO camp, find the
humble, middle road. There is a passage in the bible: if someone hits you on
your cheek, turn him your other cheek…
Tommy
I like the older Jewish proverb that admonition is quite possibly based upon better: When your neighbour calls you an ass, put a saddle on your back.
Funny, they call McIntyre a “radical”, simply because he wants to see what’s going on behind the curtain. Wow, that’s radical alright.
Loonandowsky appears incapable of considering the possibility that climatologists have been influenced by 18 years of data – the only reason why a scientist WOULD move their view. Has the IPCC ruled out the more absurd high ECS scenarios because
a) den!@r$ mocked them on Twitter and they’re scared of further taunting like King Arthur in the Holy Grail movie, or
b) because scenarios extrapolated on 1990s trajectories are fundamentally inconsistent with 18 years of flat or declining temps?
The fact that he’s published it while his own Uni UWA suffered some “seepage” from Lomborg’s planned economic research think tank just makes him appear an even bigger clown. The Gore effect of academia – publishing about the power of den!@li$m just as the howling totalitarians on the other side violently censor the mildest deviation from Groupthink.
I am somewhat embarrassed by the fact that one of the worst, most alarmist computer models is paid for by Canadian tax payers. The infamous ‘6 degree’ model from California North, slightly to the West of the Oil Patch.
This badly formed, university based machine consistently predicts the second highest, meaning the second most alarming, temperature rise of all the models used by the IPCC. The ‘need’ for such a number is to keep the ‘model ensemble’ average so high as to incite alarm and eschatological meme seepage into the mainstream press.
What surprises me most about the article above is the off-handed support it gives to ‘high end’ predictions of models of any type. Given the obvious shortfalls in capacity to deal with cloud cover in the tropics when temperatures rise (thunderstorm cooling hypothesis) and the failure to locate a trace of the fabled Hot Spot, why is there not a serious rethink about the sheer unlikeliness of huge, unprecedented temperature rises?
The reason I focus on this point is the general failure across the modelling community to create the pause in a viable climate model. They clearly have missed something huge and their product is simply unbelievable.
Yes, they’re unbelievable.
@Micheal All that song needs is a video of Micheal Mann doing a dance in his tighty whities and dress socks to be truly epic!
climatologists have been influenced by 18 years of data
================
a very important point.
hard sciences teach you that it is the unexpected result that is most important. climate models and mainstream climate science alike predicted accelerated warming. this didn’t happen, which was both unexpected and interesting.
had we observed accelerated warming, that would have been expected and thus not interesting.
A wonderful, clinical dissection of the Lewandowsky-Oreskes et al farrago. Just a few choice but basic facts (and all readily checked by a professor of science history mind you ) and it is made clear what a work of deliberate friction it is.
That said, I expect Les Lewneskes will write Richard Betts off as obviously a “denier” if not clinically insane.
Isn’t it L who is in denial?
Ursus indeed,
It is perplexing that Lewandowsky et al do not seem to be aware of this research on short-term climate variability. One explanation may be that there is more effective communication of research.
1st line from Wiki – Naomi Oreskes (born November 25, 1958)[1] is an American historian of science.
Is Betts saying that Naomi is incompetent in her listed profession?
Other than using the ‘Guardian’ for any objective analysis(listening to the chior singing?), he might want to get out a little more or review recent Eurobarometer polling. From 2014 polling – However, Europeans attribute less importance to the remaining five issues: housing (6%, =), the environment, climate and energy issues (6%, =), with the UK hitting that percent also.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_415_en.pdf
But that question/issue includes environment and energy issues, which inflate the numbers.
So in a 2015 poll, they broke out the question a little to It then asks respondents which areas they would like science and innovation to prioritize over the next 15 years, with areas such as job creation, health and medical care, energy supply, education and skills, and the fight against climate change among the issues they are asked to consider.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_419_sum_en.pdf
In the UK 6% for “fight against climate change” and 10% for energy supply.
Professor, you may have ‘Anti-Pluralistic Ignorance’, or saying “your views are more in the ‘majority’ than they really are.
Out of the mouth of boobs:-)
So Oreskes says the UK Met Office are lying, yes?
And Lewandowsky says the IPCC are wrong.
Yet they both still pretend to be mainstream thinkers and not the crack-pot loony fringe.
Very interesting. @fretslider: I don’t seriously think Ms Oreskes will have Mr Woods shot, no, she will just want him “re-educated” so that he can think the “correct” way.
That will be a shame – to destroy the Choral Symphony for him for the rest of his life.
Prof Richard Betts via Barry Woods – Thanks for an interesting and thoughtful post. Clearly you generally support the climate models and the levels of climate sensitivity that they use (presumably they are also in line with the range in the IPCC reports). There are so many questions that I would like you to answer, many of which go to the heart of climate science, and hopefully others will ask these and be answered. I will ask just one:
Preamble – If you take the climate model forecasts of several years ago (say around 2000) then there are a number of years covered by those models both before and after the date of the model run. If you assume that the model runs are basically correct in the long term (ie, that the amount of warming that they predict in the long term is going to happen, and that the “pause” is just a pause caused by natural variation), then it is a simple matter to plot the contribution from natural variability. In the years both before and after the model run, the natural variability is as represented in the models, plus the difference between measured temperature and model forecast temperature. (That’s exactly the same as the difference between measured temperature and the models’ calculated man-made contribution to temperature). I ask you to determine the contribution from natural variability over the years both before and after the model run, and to plot it as a simple graph.
Question : Does that graph look reasonable? NB. Please present the graph with your answer.
TIA.
“could it actually be the case that a clear willingness to consider a range of viewpoints could actually enhance the credibility of climate scientists?”
Absolutely, and the opposite is also true. Refusal to consider a range of viewpoints has massively harmed the credibility of climate scientists
Very interesting guest post from the Prof – much appreciated & enlightening.
My concerns with Naomi & Lewandowsky is that they are actively getting in the way of the debate; the attempt at labelling & profiling their paper hints at smacks strongly of an attempt to reframe and control the direction of the debate to suit their own ends; much as in the ‘denier’ label is thrown around to discredit contrary views.
I don’t understand what else they are trying to achieve by the publishing of such a paper – it adds nothing to the fundamental science & the debate except more noise. I’m also somewhat concerned that they seem to be rather unaware of their own filters on their perspectives and hence other valid points of view that should be given due logical consideration – I thought those of a philosophical bent were meant to be trained to be aware of such filters?
I am pleased that this article will get real coverage via WUWT. What has always puzzled me about the Lewandowsky and many other offerings on climate affairs is their lack of scale when considering funding for climate research (and thus the number of published papers). Governments around the world are funding “climate research” in their chosen places in Academia to the tune of multi-milllions – billions? – whereas the so-called sceptics or contrarians have relatively trivial funding, and are often self funded. How is it that Lew… and others of his persuasion constantly use the term “well-funded” when castigating sceptical people or organisations whilst ignoring the gross imbalance of the real world?
One has also to ask whether Lew.. et al have ever in their careers actually looked at any of the numerous sources of original numerical information (or even the manipulated data such as the GISS stuff) on measured temperatures or sea levels. I strongly suspect that they have never accessed the data, and may even be incapable of assessing it.
Even the skeptics fall into similar traps regarding the usage of memes.
Skeptics are happy to accept climate change as a principle, but point out that climate always changes. Ground is subtley lost in such concession.
The fact is that climate is never in stasis such that change in itself is not climate change. That is important and that fact is not fully appreciated when going on to discuss precisely what is climate change.
Climate consists of a number of parameters, temperature being merely one factor of many. Climate is subject is multi-centenial variation (possibly even longer than that) and it is not measured over a 30 year period. There can be times (possibly lasting for many many years) when temperatures are particularly warm, or particularly cold, or there can be dry or wet periods, relatively wind free, or very windy periods, very stromy periods, or periods when there is little stromy activity, cloudy periods or relatively less cloudy periods, snowy or no snowy periods, etc. etc. Climate merely meanders in and around an upper and lower bound of many different variables/parameters, depending upon the geography and topography of the land mass concerned.
Whilst I do accept that there probably has been some modest warming during the course of the last century, and that warming may even have resulted in the Arctic as at 2015 having less ice than it did in 1980, that does not in my view amount to climate change. As far as I am aware, no country has changed its Koppen (or equivalent) classification and no country is on the cusp of so doing (at least not unless it was on the cusp when Koppen first put forth his classification).
“The fact is that climate is never in stasis such that change in itself is not climate change.”
IMHO this an irrefutable logic point.
No one can or will describe the stasis climate that we’re being asked to spend billions to achieve…
’cause it cannot exist…never has and never will.
Nothing happens that is not natural.
A dualism that does not exist cannot be described or given numerical value.
A world’s first simultaneous repost from WUWT and ATTP…..
Richard V – As regular readers here will know I have a tall Arctic soapbox! By way of example please watch this video:
https://youtu.be/nuKVk1gMJDg
If that isn’t “climate change” what is it, in your view?
on publication of the Lewandowsky, Orekes paper – I was congratulated by a climate scientist – for my “jedi mind tricks” – LOL
Oreskes has the media and political ears though, so it is good to see pushback – to quote Doug McNeall:
Doug McNeall @dougmcneall Sep 24
@JacquelynGill @NaomiOreskes Oh, sorry for being short. I get fed up with climate scientists being told what to say, how to communicate.
LOL…
It does have a central point you have to admit!
“False clams”
Love it! Sounds like Spongebob Squarepants’ attempt at Shakespeare:
“Fie thee – thou false clam!
Art nought but a devilish knave!”
Seems to me that oreskes is to science what Goebbels was to journalism.
Goebbels was intelligent.
So…. what Goebbels was to making sausages?
At the risk of being compared to L&O in their attempts to stifle thought/debate, I would point out that if you don’t like the “denier” label you should resist the temptation to make such unpleasant comparisons.
On the contrary. These dimwitted thugs feel like painting people with the “denier” label, so it’s essential to point out what they are. Personally I’ve been moved to “zero tolerance” when it comes to disinformation campaigns and the outright lies of leftists.
oreskes has NO INTEREST in facts, she’s only concerned with her misinformation and disinformation campaign. Maybe you could tell me why any thinking person should feel the need to tiptoe around that.
So Opluso, we should make nice and cuddly with people who do not know what nice is, that pull no punches, and that wish to demonize all who disagree with them in the most hateful and denigrating language they can think of?
The time for that is long past.
What these crew have in mind is not a friendly game of tiddly-winks.
WAKE UP!
I feel no need to “tiptoe around” or “make nice” with disagreeable people. But it seems counterproductive to become one yourself.
If directly comparing a person to a nazi war criminal is an acceptable argument for one side, then veiled references to Holocaust denialism must be equally acceptable for the other.
opluso,
Incorrect. One of the chief promoters of climate alarmism is a neo-Nazi, John Cook. He dresses himself up like this (it’s his own pic):
Cook also dresses up his pals like Nuccitelli in similar Nazi garb. So obviously, they identify themselves with the National Socialists.
Groups have the right to self-identify, and to reject labels they dislike. If that were not the case, imagine how some folks would label African-Americans.
Skeptics strongly object to being equated with Holocaust deniers. Nationally syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman explained in her newspaper column that when labeling scientific skeptics as “deniers”, she and others were explicitly comparing skeptics with Holocaust deniers. She has never apologized.
But when a group dresses themselves up as Nazi SS troopers, that is entirely different. John Cook is not the only one in his alarmist group who plays neo-Nazi (maybe seriously; who really knows?)
So you see, there really is a difference here. A big difference. They like to be seen as Nazis. Skeptics do not like to be compared with Holocaust deniers. To each his own.
I (along with most of our mothers) stand corrected. Two wrongs do, in fact, make a right and it is always a good idea to lower yourself to the level of your worst opponent. [and in case it wasn’t obvious: sarc off]
Rather than continue to argue with outrage, I’ll tell a story about a remarkable man who recently passed away. Stan Evans once told me that he was having a long argument with a group of leftists when one frustrated activist exploded “You’re a Nazi !” Instead of taking offense, Stan played along. “You know, I may not agree with everything he did but you have to admit, when Hitler saw a problem, he got involved!”
Probably no one here as read Merchants of Doubt, but I finally too to reading it recently. And yes it is all Us and Them. At one point It spends many pages repeating a conspiratorial accusation against William Niernberg for his role as chair of a NAS committee assessing the CO2 issue in 1983. Heaven knows what motivated the attack as there was nothing extraordinary about their report. The accusation against this recently deceased scientist has extraordinarily flimsy foundation. I find it distressing that such behaviour is tolerated in academia and, indeed, that careers are built by it.
Professor Richard Betts
I strongly suspect you are reading this so I address my comment directly to you.
I very strongly disagree with much you are on record as saying about the issue of anthropogenic climate change (AGW) and, therefore, it gives me great pleasure to congratulate you on your considered response to the (for want of a better word) unfortunate paper from Lewandowsky et al..
Such considered statements can only assist mutually respectful disagreement and dialogue about AGW with resulting progress to the science. Thankyou for providing it.
Richard
May I second that.
Dr. Betts,
I agree with Ricard’s comment. I think you are horribly wrong on many issues, but I agree with you in this post. I also hope that as the data continues to suggest that CO2 does not do what the current paradigm says it does that you will reconsider your position.
– 100
This piece is pure historical revisionism by Richard Betts.
The ‘we always knew about the ‘pause’, there’s no surprise’ meme is fantasy.
Betts means this piece to give comfort to climate alarmists, not to attack Lewandowsky. I think you guys praising Betts have really missed the point.
Lewandowsky is a rolled gold nincompoop but he’s nothing if not a devoted alarmist. He writes that climate skeptics are suffering conspiracy ideation and various other invented maladies. He dislikes climate skeptics. Doesn’t credit a word they say. So when climate skeptics say ‘pause’, he disbelieves them. But when he sees his own side start writing papers about the ‘pause’ Lewandowsky is confronted and appalled. He’s motivated to demotivate his side from adopting skeptic language. He identifies the chronology that skeptic science was addressing the ‘pause’ well before the alarmists and characterises all that prior skeptic science as ‘seepage’, akin to pollution of climate alarmist science. Then he accuses his alarmists of capitulating in the face of this seepage.
Thing is, L’s inadvertently hit the nail on the head. ‘Pause’ science comes from skeptics. It percolated up to alarmist circles and they were late to the party. But boy oh boy are they making up for it now as enthusiastic adopters of the concept. How many reasons are there now for the ‘pause’? 60? More?
Betts is using Lewandowsky’s typical animus towards climate skeptical science as a cover to build an alt-history of climate alarmist science.
hidethedecline (@HidetheDecline)
Allow me to introduce you to one of the dictum’s in The Prince by Macchiavelli.
You should kill enemies because they cause you problems, but always try to make them friends before killing them because live friends are more useful than dead enemies.
Richard
“seepage of contrarian memes” used to be called “heresy”, “the devils work”, “witchcraft” or “sorcery” corrupting the minds of the flock. It needs to be fought with flaming sword and perpetrators put to the stake!
” It needs to be fought with flaming sword and perpetrators put to the stake!”
Thereby resulting in a increased carbon footprint …
Damn, there’s always something …