Something Fishy about Mercury

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

There’s a new study out called Increase in mercury in Pacific yellowfin tuna by Paul E. Drevnick, Carl H. Lamborg, and Martin J. Horgan. It claims that:

By compiling and re-analyzing published reports on yellowfin tuna (Thunnus albacares) caught near Hawaii (USA) over the past half century, the authors found that the concentration of mercury in these fish currently is increasing at a rate of at least 3.8% per year.

That seemed a bit too neat for me, so I took a deeper look. To their credit, they posted the data as used along with the study. As usual, I started by taking a look at all of the data. There were three samples of tuna studied, which were caught in 1971, 1998, and 2008. Here is a boxplot of the raw data.

pacific yellowfin mercury all dataFigure 1. Boxplot of the tuna mercury data by year of collection. Width of the box is proportional to the number of data points. Boxes show where half of the data is located. Heavy black line is the median of the data. Notches are the error intervals on the median. Units are parts per million (ppm)

OK, so far, so good. Next, they removed both the big fish and the small fish. They also removed two outliers, which had mercury values of 1.32 and 0.015 ppm. Once those are removed, the result is shown in Figure 2.

pacific yellowfin mercury reduced dataFigure 2. As in Figure 1, but for the reduced dataset.

Note that because of the greatly reduced numbers in the 2008 data, the uncertainty notch has become much wider, and the width of the box is smaller.

Finally, they adjust the mercury content for the weight of the fish. This is important because as the fish gains weight, it bioaccumulates mercury. Figure 3 shows what happens to the reduced dataset once the mercury content has been adjusted (either upwards or downwards) depending on the weight of the individual fish.

pacific yellowfin mercury reduced adjusted dataFigure 3. As in Figure 2, but with the mercury levels adjusted for the weight of the individual fish.

This has made some obvious changes to the results. First, the outliers have been greatly reduced, as has the range of the data. This is because the outliers were heavy fish with lots of mercury, so when they were adjusted their mercury levels came down. And curiously, while there is not a lot of change in the median and spread of the 1971 and 1998 data, the 2008 data has risen significantly. Finally, while the adjustment process reduced the error of the median in 1971 and 1998 data, it actually increased the error of the median in the 2008 data.

Now, these are the results that they claim show that mercury in these tuna is “increasing at a rate of at least 3.8% per year.” I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing that. For starters, if anything the mercury levels fell during the period where we have good data, from 1971 to 1998. That means that the entirety of the purported increase occurred over 10 years, after being stable for nearly thirty years? I’m not buying that claim at all.

So why did the results in 2008 move up so much due to the adjustment by weight? The problem is in the weight distribution of the fish in the three groups. Figure 4 shows the same three groups, but this time it shows the weights of the fish instead of the mercury levels.

pacific yellowfin weight reduced dataFigure 4. Boxplot of the weights of the fish involved in the tuna study.

As you can see, while the distribution of the weights of the fish caught in 1971 and 1998 are quite similar, the 2008 sample are predominantly small fish. In theory, then, the mercury levels in these fish should be increased to bring them in line with the larger fish.

However, there are a couple of problems with that. First, the mercury/weight relationship gets flat down at the lower end. As the authors say:

It was necessary to remove the fish of less than 22kg from the analysis, because these fish did not adhere to the assumption of linearity. Mercury concentrations in young tuna tend to be low but highly variable [18]. A diet shift occurs in young tuna when a critical body mass is developed that enables endothermic capability to allow access to prey in deeper, colder water [19]. At a certain size (depending on species), likely because of this ontogenetic diet shift, the relationship of mercury concentration versus size conforms to expectations (i.e., a linear relationship).

But here’s the problem with that theory … ugly data. Figure 5 shows the scatterplot of mercury levels versus fish weight.

scatterplot weight vs mercury tunaFigure 5. Scatterplot, fish weight versus raw (unadjusted) mercury levels. Colors indicate the years as in previous figures (red-1971, gold-1998, and blue-2008)

A couple of points stand out here. First, their 22 kg cutoff seems way too low. According to their own data, there is little difference between mercury levels in tuna up to about 40 kg. This means that there will be errors in the adjusted mercury for fish less than 40 kg or so. Second, most of the blue 2008 data is low-weight fish (blue dots) … and as a result, the adjusted mercury levels of the 2008 data will be overestimated. Finally, this preponderance of light weight fish in 2008 is also the reason that the mercury adjustment, rather than reducing the spread of the 2008 data, actually increased the spread of the data.

So to summarize. The 1971 mercury data is statistically indistinguishable from the 1998 data, and the fish have about the same weight distribution. Together, these two groups comprise 94% of the data. They show no change in mercury levels over that twenty-seven year period.

They’ve built their entire claim of an increase in mercury on a mere 14 fish, 6% of the data, which are significantly lighter in weight than the other 94% of the sample. And as Figure 5 shows, it is likely that their adjusted mercury content is overestimated. Fourteen small-fry fish are all they have to hold up their claims? Really? This is almost to the level of the One Yamal Tree farrago.

And in any case, the idea that there would be absolutely no increase in mercury levels for nearly thirty years and then the mercury would jump significantly over the next ten years doesn’t pass the laugh test.

Best to all,

w.

PS-if you disagree with someone, please QUOTE THEIR EXACT WORDS that you disagree with, so that we can all understand the exact nature of your objection.

ALSO-

Folks not familiar with them might be interested in my other posts on mercury, viz:

The EPA’s Mercurial Madness

In the process of writing my piece about Lisa Jackson and the EPA, I got to reading about the EPA passing new mercury regulations. Their regulations are supposed to save the lives of some 11,000 people per year. So I figured I should learn something about mercury. It turned out…

Mercury, the Trickster God

I’ve been puzzling for a while about why the areas with the most power plants aren’t the areas with the worst levels of mercury pollution. Why aren’t the areas downwind from the power plants heavily polluted? I keep running across curious statements like “There was no obvious relationship between large-mouth bass or yellow perch fish…

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February 5, 2015 3:33 pm

Did they use poles carved from magical Yamal trees?

ferdberple
Reply to  Rob Dawg
February 5, 2015 6:04 pm

their results are fishy.

LamontT
Reply to  Rob Dawg
February 5, 2015 6:22 pm

I see by your Yamal crack that you had the same thought as I did. Hats off to you.

Tom
February 5, 2015 3:33 pm

Maybe it is real, though perhaps not statistically significant yet. I would suspect the recent rise in un-scrubbed coal fired power in China as a possible cause.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Tom
February 5, 2015 4:01 pm

It would depend on the Mercury content of the coal, and the processes that scrub it from the atmosphere.
Did anyone notice that Obama has scrubbed funding for the CCS project in Illinois?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/4/obama-pulls-funding-top-clean-coal-project/
Does that increase or decrease mercury emissions??

garymount
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
February 5, 2015 5:21 pm

This reduces mercury emissions because there is a 25% – 40% reduction of energy use requirements to CCS the CO2.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
February 5, 2015 10:06 pm

… and BP has given biofuels the short shrift as well … http://junkscience.com/2015/02/05/bp-pulls-back-on-biofuels/

Reply to  Tom
February 6, 2015 7:02 am

Tom, one of three things is true:
1. You didn’t read the article.
2. You didn’t understand the article.
3. You are a troll.
Seriously though, which is it? I would love to know how you went from “Maybe it is real” to a possible reason why so fast?

Brute
Reply to  Eric Sincere
February 7, 2015 1:53 am

We have been getting quite a few trolls of late. Some even are of the microsecond variety, rushing to be the first to comment. I wonder what they think they are accomplishing.

Gentle Tramp
February 5, 2015 3:38 pm

Here with this example we see the very reason why the scientific high priests of CAGW are so reluctant to make their raw data sets freely available:
A closer look on it by people without the same confirmation bias could be quite embarrassing for them… 😉

rd50
Reply to  Gentle Tramp
February 5, 2015 4:48 pm

Their raw data are available with their article, see their “supplemental files”.
For all the years, the size of the fishes and corresponding mercury content are given.
Basically, as noted, there are only 14 fishes for 2008 and only one fish at 51 kg and one at 70 kg.
So not much available and their r squared values for 1971 and 1999 are way [too] low to indicate any kind of relationship.
So there is really nothing here, but since their raw data are given anyone can do more work if interested.

Gentle Tramp
Reply to  rd50
February 6, 2015 1:01 am

I did not mean the fishy mercury paper above in which the main raw data was obviously given. And it is not a pro-CAGW publication, so it should be clear that I used it only as an example to explain the motive why many CAGC proponents don’t like to share their raw data. They are obviously afraid their conformation bias could be likewise exposed as in this case…

psi
Reply to  Gentle Tramp
February 5, 2015 6:09 pm

Yep.

AP
Reply to  Gentle Tramp
February 6, 2015 4:32 am

How on earth does this junk science pass peer review? Don’t scientologists learn basic stats any more?
How on earth can they claim an annual rate of increase based on two data points spaced apart by decades, and on what are essentially two different populations?
These scientologists should hang their heads in shame and scamper back to undergraduate statistics classes with their tails between their legs.

Martin Brumby
February 5, 2015 3:39 pm

Yes, Willis. All makes sense.
But no scary stories means you don’t get more of those lovely fat grants so that you can carry on sailing round catching the odd Tuna now and again.

george e. smith
Reply to  Martin Brumby
February 5, 2015 4:14 pm

So I got onto my excel spread sheet and do you know there is no where in Excel where you can draw one of those “box plots” with those funny cheesy grin looking colored blobs in them.
Maybe a candidate for MOMA.
But graphic data from a scientific study ???
And at the current prices for Ahi Tuna, nobody is going to eat enough of it to worry about mercury.
Anyhow, last Monday, I went to my dentist crack of dawn to have by teeth cleaned, to chip all the rocks off them.
Instead my dentist relieved me of all my old Mercury Fulmanate fillings that have stood me in good stead for the last 60 years or so, and he substituted some cheap platic caps for that metal.
So I’m good to go and hit the Ahi big time, and to hell with the mercury intake, for the next 60 years.

TonyD
Reply to  george e. smith
February 5, 2015 5:14 pm

Box plots are available via Excel but you have to manually tweak the graphs to produce them. I can’t tell you how to do this because, per M$ policy, the way you do it is different depending upon which version of Excel you have. Just do a Google on “Box Plots Excel” and pick the result that matches your version of Excel.

Reply to  george e. smith
February 5, 2015 6:31 pm

LOLZ! If you really had mercury fulminate fillings all these years, consider yourself lucky that your head did not explode when you bit down on something hard or crunchy!

Don Perry
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 3:51 am

Mercury/silver almalgam

AP
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 4:36 am

mercury fulminate fillings- like popping candy, only more bang for your buck!

fred4d
Reply to  george e. smith
February 7, 2015 10:27 am

Willis is a big fan of the statistical computer language R, I expect you are seeing the results of plots in that language. After Willis advertised a, now past, on-line course in R I signed up and took it. Very flexible to use once you get use to it. Can probably do anything, if you can remember how, or looked it up on the internet. Also has the advantage of being free, running on Windows, Mac and Linux, with a very robust development community.

Bill W
February 5, 2015 3:39 pm

14 fish? They’re basing their analysis on 14 fish?
I think I see more than that at my supermarket in Virginia.
And not to mention the weight difference between the previous set.
Maybe they should focus their study on the lack of fish rather than their mercury content.

Curious George
Reply to  Bill W
February 5, 2015 4:51 pm

Read “Franchise” by Isaac Asimov. A sufficiently mature technology draws far-reaching conclusions from a sample of one voter. (Sufficiently sophisticated technology is indistinguishable from magic.)

David Jay
Reply to  Curious George
February 5, 2015 6:19 pm

That’s nothing. Last year Climate Audit reviewed the Loo[sic] study that reached conclusions based on sample size (n=0)! Josh even did a cartoon…

CodeTech
Reply to  Curious George
February 6, 2015 9:48 am

(Quote normally attributed to Arthur C. Clarke)
Although there was an appropriate episode in the Foundation series, where in the far future a “researcher” draws far reaching conclusions from other peoples’ research, with no need or desire to get his hands dirty with his own.

fred4d
Reply to  Curious George
February 7, 2015 10:29 am

Saw a paper presented that had a slide based on 1 datum, even had a graph with a line on it. Of course they used 0,0 as the end point for the line.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Bill W
February 5, 2015 5:37 pm

They should have let Mosh have a crack at it. I reckon he could have modeled a thousand fishes out of that 14 in less time than it took me to type this post.

ferdberple
Reply to  Reg Nelson
February 5, 2015 6:20 pm

Mosh already explained the purpose of modelling was to predict the size of fish in places you didn’t fish. Those fish get bigger every year, while the ones you catch get smaller.

Reply to  Reg Nelson
February 5, 2015 7:52 pm

It’s easy.
build a model.
go catch some hefty tuna.
test.

Reply to  Reg Nelson
February 5, 2015 10:09 pm

All it takes is one fish from the market … and you can smear it all over the place for your data.

NielsZoo
Reply to  Reg Nelson
February 6, 2015 6:47 am

Reg I don’t think a model’s gonna cut it. You need a real full sized boat otherwise the tuna will swamp it.

Reply to  Reg Nelson
February 6, 2015 6:56 am

Always remember, the model must come first! You cannot cycle data through the regular [homogeniz -> adjust -> lie -> rinse -> repeat] until you first determine the outcome. Thanks smoosher for your usual humorous posts.

dp
Reply to  Bill W
February 5, 2015 7:57 pm

14 fish? They’re biasing their analysis on 14 fish?

There – I fixed it for you.

Geoff Sherrington
February 5, 2015 3:42 pm

Does mercury ingestion cause weight loss or retarded weight gain in these fish?

James Bull
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
February 6, 2015 1:03 am

You will probably find if you look at the fishing industry catch records that the size of landed fish has been falling over the years and there were very few larger fish for them to look at so they had to compensate for missing data in the size that they really wanted to look at.
James Bull

Reply to  James Bull
February 6, 2015 11:27 am

Last time The Git went tuna fishing we caught one stripy trumpeter between 12 of us. Kinda takes the fun out of tuna fishing when you don’t catch any tuna 🙁

rgbatduke
February 5, 2015 3:43 pm

At least they didn’t claim that AGW was responsible for the additional mercury. Or did they tag burning un-mercury-scrubbed Chinese coal as the source of the additional mercury? While I agree completely that the statistical analysis they present is cosmically — or is it comically? — flawed, it isn’t completely implausible that some sort of change in global industrial profile (including power generation) is altering the rate that mercury is going into the environment. 4%/year is pretty crazy talk, though. The rule of 72 suggests a doubling every 18 years at that rate. With your data on a LINEAR scale above, they’d need a pretty humongous bump over a decade…
rgb

rd50
Reply to  rgbatduke
February 5, 2015 4:55 pm

Sorry, but they did. Read last two sentences of the Abstract:
“…this rate of increase is consistent with a model of anthropogenic forcing on the mercury cycle…..

NielsZoo
Reply to  rd50
February 6, 2015 6:54 am

It could be anthropogenic and related to global warming. Has anyone done a plot comparing this (statistically suspect and insignificant) increase in mercury against the worldwide mandated use of mercury containing fluorescent lamps? Since the eco-loons have managed to get tungsten/argon light bulbs banned mercury use has skyrocketed. I’d put any increase in mercury pollution right on the IPCC’s doorstep.

Reply to  rgbatduke
February 5, 2015 5:27 pm

Let’s call it what it is – 4% PER YEAR is INSANE IN THE MEMBRANE. If mercury was poured from the ballast of every ocean going vessel, that might create such an increase… Heh. Especially since I remember reading that mankind’s contribution of mercury was around 3-4 percent… Hey! Maybe THAT’S where they got that number! LOL
“It’s more mercurial than we thought! Oh noes! Can we haz tax?”

February 5, 2015 3:44 pm

Why did they choose so few fish for this analysis? Why did they not look at the number of fish used in the past and try to match that so that the data is more comparable at least?

rd50
Reply to  TBraunlich
February 5, 2015 5:01 pm

Because they did not want to go and catch any fish or do any mercury analysis! Too much work.
So they simply took data published in 1971, 1999 and 2008.

Reply to  TBraunlich
February 5, 2015 10:13 pm

They probably did sample the fish from a factory trawler or two … the chances of these flubbers able to catch that many tuna in n time is highly unlikely.

Latitude
February 5, 2015 3:47 pm

They should have checked with the Japanese…..they would have had hundreds if not thousands of samples

george e. smith
Reply to  Latitude
February 5, 2015 4:16 pm

The Japanese are too preoccupied collecting whale samples for research, to bother with a few tuna fish.

February 5, 2015 3:47 pm

Why were the 2008 fish fewer & smaller?

krm
Reply to  Slywolfe
February 5, 2015 4:16 pm

All the big tuna have died from mercury poisoning 😉

george e. smith
Reply to  Slywolfe
February 5, 2015 4:17 pm

Less of them around.

Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 12:54 am

Exactly.
The sample sizes are the news.

Reply to  Slywolfe
February 6, 2015 5:39 am

Overfishing by factory ships. The “predation” by fishing boats is actually putting enough pressure on tuna (and other fish, like cod) populations to result in younger, smaller fish breeding (at least at higher rates relative to the past). It appears that larger fish are being replaced by smaller ones, perhaps because they are more likely to escape fishing nets.

George A
February 5, 2015 3:55 pm

Who peer reviews these papers? One hopes that if this had been a dissertation, it would have been rejected.

michael hart
February 5, 2015 4:02 pm

14 fish and five loaves of bread. And their calculated “annual rate” is effectively a time-series graph with two data points. Next.

george e. smith
Reply to  michael hart
February 5, 2015 4:18 pm

Only s’posed to be “Two small fishes”. along with the five loaves.

Reply to  george e. smith
February 5, 2015 10:15 pm

… give a man a fish and he is fed for one meal, give him a fishing rod and he is fed for life. 😉

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Toronto
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 6:05 am

Give a hungry man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a hungry man to fish and you have a hungry man who knows how to fish. Development is not as simple as a cutesy phrase.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Toronto
February 6, 2015 6:14 am

Give a hungry man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a hungry man to fish and you have a hungry man who knows how to fish.

Prevent that hungry man from eating any fish when he cannot feed his family, and he will kill all of the fish to feed his family.

February 5, 2015 4:03 pm

No Pacific yellowfin tuna caught between 2008 and 2014 or 15??? Why is the data so old and limited? Why are there not more recent samples? – This is stated as a recent study…

dp
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
February 5, 2015 8:16 pm

The data are available in every supermarket and mom and pop grocery store in America. I expect it can be found in similar data vaults around the world.

Editor
February 5, 2015 4:04 pm

Study would be barred from a court of law on the grounds that it fails to present the best available evidence. If they are only bothering to look at 14 fish, they are interrogating the wrong 14 fish. They only need to collect samples of some of the larger fish that were caught during the later study and they would not have had to make highly questionable adjustments to the mercury levels in smaller fish in order to compare them to the levels found in larger fish decades ago.
In a court of law, if you have the chance to bring in direct evidence for what is claimed, you are not allowed to substitute an estimate for that direct evidence. Are they really saying they couldn’t ask the local fishermen for tissue samples from some larger fish?

george e. smith
Reply to  Alec Rawls
February 5, 2015 4:20 pm

at $30 per pound, no fisherman is going to give them some free samples.

MarkW
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 5:49 am

Would it be possible to get samples from non-marketable tissues?
Regardless, you only need a few milligrams for the study.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 1:03 pm

good grief.
just build the cost of the fish into the grant.
go down to the dock at the same time each year.
the department could have an annual dinner, with tuna, and analyze the left-overs.
just buy from the same boats year after year.

Michael Jankowski
February 5, 2015 4:07 pm

“…It was necessary to remove the fish of less than 22 kg from the analysis, because these fish did not adhere to the assumption of linearity…”
Fish behaving badly!

george e. smith
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
February 5, 2015 4:21 pm

Sounds like the assumption of linearity must be just crap !!

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  george e. smith
February 5, 2015 4:41 pm

Or carp…

george e. smith
Reply to  george e. smith
February 6, 2015 1:05 pm

Well the vicinity of San Francisco Bay, is not known for people of high mental capacity and skills, and with good reason.
The sundry rivers that drain into the SFBay, instead of being piped to socal desert goof courses, are replete with mercury from the tailing of old gold mining claims. So the bay is full of mercury.
And we have all these mud grubbing Dungeness crabs that scavenge off that mud, so they must be high yield mercury ores themselves.
But the whole Bay area down where I am is all mercury mining areas, and ALL of the local lakes and impoundments have fish that are recommended as not to eat, because of mercury contamination.
Some Asian folks who fish these lakes eat everything they catch, even if it is just a dragon fly or a bait fish. Nothing goes back in the water unless it is in a pot on the stove.
Well I have eaten some of this fish from time to time. Could be three or four servings of fish per year; but mostly we catch and release anyway.
So if you wonder why Silicon Valley is full of dunderheads; well it’s the Mercury, and the Cadmium, and the Selenium, we all eat .
Yes I do know that Methyl Mercury and kin, are not to be toyed with.
I don’t eat canned tuna anyhow, it is cat food, and if my wife buys any of it to bring home, that’s where it ends up, in the cat’s dish.
G

Billy Liar
February 5, 2015 4:26 pm

All the fish, with the exception of 2 fish caught in 1971 meet the FDA requirement for the consumption of seafood containing methylmercury. The FDA limit is 1ppm maximum allowable concentration.
It’s going to take a while for any Pacific yellowfin tuna to accumulate enough mercury for it to be a problem – especially as the fish appear to be getting smaller.

Reply to  Billy Liar
February 5, 2015 4:37 pm

Tx Billy, I was just wondering about that. The hype over the changes gets even sillier if we’re well within safety limits.

Chip Javert
February 5, 2015 4:40 pm

Let’s se if I have this right: we can’t even figure out if mercury in tuna is actually increasing or decreasing.
Why does anybody pay attention to any government scientist? Opps – oh, wait, they don’t.

donaitkin
February 5, 2015 4:51 pm

Lovely piece of work — well done!

Paul O'Day
February 5, 2015 5:07 pm

Back when the first big mercury scare came up (60’s or so) I worked in the U.S Department of Commerce and knew the top ESSA / NOAA officials. I clearly recall being told one of their creative scientists toodled down Constitution Avenue to the big preserved fish specimen collection then in the Museum of Natural History to test a 19th century swordfish specimen. Result: same mercury level as the contemporary fish.

Reply to  Paul O'Day
February 5, 2015 5:50 pm

I eat fish. And I’m not afraid of Mercury. Anyone heard of the Seychelles study? It’s very well documented and researched regarding fish, mercury levels, and health effects.
And we all know what the consensus view is…

ferdberple
Reply to  SABicyclist
February 5, 2015 6:39 pm

Heath Science and Environmental Science is such nonsense one hardly knows where to start. Things we eat have minimum and maximum toxic doses. Even water is fatal in large quantities.
Too little mercury leads to abnormal nervous system development. Too much mercury leads to abnormal nervous system development.
The problem with health science is that they take a case of acute overdose, and from this they extrapolate that even minute doses are harmful. But it is not supported by anything more than human imagination.
Fear drives the human mind to imagine that something that is dangerous in large amounts must still be dangerous in small amount. Fear does not consider that small amounts of many toxins can give you immunity to large amounts of the same toxin.
Fear does not imagine that something that is dangerous in large quantities may be completely necessary in small quantities.

ferdberple
Reply to  SABicyclist
February 5, 2015 6:47 pm

In fact, it could be the minute amounts of mercury in fish that is responsible for the old wives tale that eating fish makes you smarter. in small amounts the mercury aids in nervous system development.

ferdberple
Reply to  SABicyclist
February 5, 2015 6:51 pm

“As mercury levels in the children went up, so did their performance on tests.”
http://www.rochester.edu/pr/releases/med/mercury.htm

but of course, the scientists involved cannot see past their preconceptions:
“Certainly no one thinks that the increased performance is due to mercury,” says Davidson.

ferdberple
Reply to  SABicyclist
February 5, 2015 6:56 pm

“Certainly no one thinks that the increased performance is due to mercury,” says Davidson.

Why not? It is because you are preconditioned by fear. You cannot imagine that a harmful substance in large quantities could be beneficial in small quantities. Edward Jenner faced the same problem, but he made the leap of thinking that has saved countless lives. Most science is still ruled by fear and ignorance.

Reply to  SABicyclist
February 5, 2015 10:20 pm

Well, I think part of the Seychelles study and the people who have high fish consumption and high mercury levels, but no health adverse effects have to do with selenium intake from those fish. There are other contra studies where the people ate foods with high mercury, but those foods had little to no selenium, pilot whale, shark, tilefish, king mackerel and swordfish, or the Minamata problem.
That’s another flaw with these studies, they always leave out the important parts, gloss over those details, and throw out these over arching “conclusions.” So you come away with this overarching, “OMG, this is bad, or don’t do that cause it’s bad.”
But leave out details like, “those Seychelles Islanders who eat ocean going fish twice a day are eating the species that have far more selenium than mercury.” And most fish has a lot more selenium than mercury.
It’s like the whole Climate Change thing and the lying by omission part to purposely misdirect society.

H.R.
Reply to  Paul O'Day
February 5, 2015 5:56 pm

Paul O’Day:
Why am I not surprised?
Since e-mail wasn’t available in the 60’s for communicating with trees, I suppose the gub’mint had to find something else for its employees to do. Why not fiddle around with… ummmm… mercury… ummm… in fish? (I suppose the guy that checked and found no difference is sleeping with the fishes, eh?)
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Now… about all that mercury in all those fluorescent lights we now are required to use… shouldn’t we expect an increase in mercury levels in fish as people dump their spent curly-bulbs into the ocean instead of complying with insane cleanup and disposal regulations?
I don’t think one can draw any conclusions from 2008 data in this study (thank you, Willis), but perhaps we should expect an increase in mercury levels in fish just due to fluorescent bulb mandates. ya think?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 7:23 pm

The State of Washington now charges 25₵ per bulb on each new mercury-containing light sold at retail, so as to fund recycling drop-off sites. There are about 130 sites, one for 53,615 people. You can take only 10 per day. The nearest one to me is 70 miles — I think, but it seems they are hard to find.
http://www.nbcrightnow.com/story/27766586/new-recycling-program-for-fluorescent-lights-in-washington
My guess is that 99 & 44/100 % of such things get trashed and go to landfills. I, of course, obey the law, being part of the 56/100 %.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
February 5, 2015 8:17 pm

The State of Washington now charges 25₵ per bulb on each new mercury-containing light sold at retail, so as to fund recycling drop-off sites. There are about 130 sites, one for 53,615 people. You can take only 10 per day. The nearest one to me is 70 miles — I think, but it seems they are hard to find.

Hmmmn.
Put 5x old Mercury bulbs in a cardboard box, mail to state legislature.

Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 8:36 pm

Excellent suggestion, RACook. I would get a money order for $1.25 and put it in the box, so they have a hard time complaining about it.
But no doubt whoever gets it will just throw the box in the trash.
This is more do-gooderism, and unfortunately, typical. Years ago they forced curly bulbs on us to get rid of incandescents. Now we have to pay them to get rid of the curly bulbs.
Where I live they wanted plastic grocery bags, because apparently the enviro crowd was convinced that paper bags were made from old growth Sequoias. So we used the plastic bags. But now they say plastic bags are destroying the environment, so we have to pay for… guess what? Yes, paper bags. We’ve come full circle in enviro-insanity.
My wife’s relatives have some acerage in the Carolinas, where they grow pulp trees. They are trees grown as a farm product, specifically for making things like paper bags. The only difference between say, corn and pulp trees is that the trees take 3 years to mature, while corn is an annual crop. But to hear the eco-propaganda when they were pushing plastic bags, you would think that paper bags were made from 2,000 year old redwoods.
These people compete to make life more difficult for the average person. But most people are sheep, and go along without a word of complaint. Sometimes I feel like I’m trapped in an insane asylum.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 9:11 pm

dbstealey; more likely they’ll treat it as an act of terrorism. Sending mercury through the post to government workers. Don’t leave any finger prints on the package will ya.

Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 9:50 pm

Greg,
Good point. I would just claim ignorance. In my case, a believable defense.☺

AP
Reply to  Paul O'Day
February 6, 2015 4:42 am

I hope it wasn’t tanned using mercury!

Rud Istvan
February 5, 2015 5:09 pm

Willis, that is a beautiful debunking. In statistical, mathematical, and logical senses. Cudos to a thinking former commercial fisheman.

February 5, 2015 5:47 pm

If mercury in tuna was of concern, I would imagine 1000s of samples would be taken at canneries every year and quantity as percent listed as part of USDA regulation.

BFL
Reply to  Paul in Sweden
February 5, 2015 7:31 pm

The FDA doesn’t appear to want to get involved at that level for the following reason:
“FDA noted that 99.9 percent of adults have been exposed to methylmercury below the Acceptable Daily Intake Level (“ADI”), which includes a 10-fold margin of safety. FDA has therefore seen no need to enforce the current action level to reduce exposure to methylmercury.”
http://www.fdalawblog.net/fda_law_blog_hyman_phelps/2013/03/fda-declines-to-lower-its-action-level-for-mercury-in-fish.html
However they do have an advisory about fish and shell fish:
http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm110591.htm
And in case you still have a dentist that insists that amalgams are okay, here is an FDA review showing otherwise:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/02/Sep02/091602/80027dde.pdf

Billy Liar
Reply to  BFL
February 6, 2015 7:45 am

Is your last link a peer reviewed paper or just a list of all known diseases? It reads like the author has suffered from chronic mercury exposure – like he’s as mad as a hatter.

February 5, 2015 5:59 pm

Way to go on spoiling their “more funding needed for another fishing charter” angle they were going for. So much for next years fishing trip. Killjoy.

old44
February 5, 2015 6:20 pm

Has anyone done a study on the ratio of lunatic theories in relation to government funding?

H.R.
Reply to  old44
February 5, 2015 6:31 pm

old44:

Has anyone done a study on the ratio of lunatic theories in relation to government funding?

What’s the point in finding out it’s 1:1?

MattS
Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 6:43 pm

Even when it comes to lunatic theories, the government can’t spend money efficiently. Any decent private company could get 2 or 3 lunatic theories for the same money the government spends on 1.

H.R.
Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 7:15 pm

MattS:
LOL! Strewth… Ya got me! And just look at the lunatic theories you get on the interwebs for free.

asybot
Reply to  H.R.
February 5, 2015 8:55 pm

Not yet, send money money please!! (you can through AW he has my e-mail and I’ll split it, 97% AW 3% me, (LOL and at least we can can claim it is not Big Oil.)

Anna Keppa
February 5, 2015 6:26 pm

I wish I could find the link, but I once read an article describing the excavation of a Neolithic(?) site on the Merrimack river on the US’s NH/VT border where the middens had high Hg concentrations, attributed to the remains of fish the inhabitants caught and ate. Mostly from bone , guts and skin, I assume.
Anyone got any data on mercury concentrations in fish over the last 8,000 years or so? Why the assumption that humans are the source of mercury in fish???

JEM
February 5, 2015 6:40 pm

Wait a minute. Just wait a minute.
Maybe mercury’s not a crisis, but what about the plunging weight of the fish in their sample?
Clearly there’s something catastrophic about the fact that they couldn’t find any adult fish to test.
Or did someone just not look…

MattS
Reply to  JEM
February 5, 2015 6:46 pm

More likely they didn’t have the funding to look. Yellow Fin Tuna is going for ~$30/pound retail. They probably couldn’t afford anything more than the 14 small fish and couldn’t get any fishermen to donate any fish to the cause.

Reply to  MattS
February 5, 2015 10:23 pm

Wouldn’t they just take a core sample from selected fish, or do they destroy the whole thing?

Roger
Reply to  JEM
February 5, 2015 7:43 pm

JEM First thought I had as well. Does that not raise alarm bells?!!

Reply to  JEM
February 6, 2015 5:19 am

CAGW causes skinny fish.
How does one request a global warming grant?
I’m sure the procedure is easier than say…
Oh,…I don’t know…
maybe a request for a real scientific research grant would be harder.

Reply to  JEM
February 6, 2015 5:49 am

Overfishing by factory ships, which have become extremely effective at “strip-mining” fish. See reply to Slywolfe above.

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