Earlier today I posted this story linking to the IBD editorial:
Is the EPA running a black-ops program?
I got this direct email statement from the EPA, to which Horner responds.
This email was sent directly to me this morning, my comments follow.
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From: Johnson.Alisha@xxxxxx.epa.gov
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:16 AM
To: awatts@xxxxxx.xxx
Subject: EPA Statement
Want to make sure you have EPA’s statement on your story this a.m. This is attributable to EPA, the Agency.
For more than a decade, EPA Administrators have been assigned two official, government-issued email accounts: a public account and an internal account. The email address for the public account is posted on EPA’s website and is used by hundreds of thousands of Americans to send messages to the Administrator. The internal account is an everyday, working email account of the Administrator to communicate with staff and other government officials.
Given the large volume of emails sent to the public account –more than 1.5 million in fiscal year 2012, for instance – the internal email account is necessary for effective management and communication between the Administrator and agency colleagues.
In the case of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, both the public and internal accounts are reviewed for responsive records, and responsive records from both accounts are provided to FOIA requesters.
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That may be so, but it doesn’t explain these things.
1. Why is the account named “Richard Windsor” instead of something like headadmin.internal@internalmail.epa.gov
2. Why there’s no “Richard Windsor” listed at EPA
3. The reticence at making emails public, as required by law.
The EPA has failed to convince.
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Now Chris Horner, the man behind the FOIA requests and lawsuit, sends this via email:
There’s a little more to the story than the anodyne “for more than a decade”, now isn’t there? See http://cei.org/legal-briefs/cei-v-epa-complaint-re-secret-accounts paras 2-5 incl FN 1 (or for a more detailed treatment, my book, which revealed these and the EPA memo acknowledging they found the problem, that the alias account was created with the active participation of Carol “I didn’t use my computer for email/I had my computer hard drive and backup tapes being sought in court erased” Browner, and that it oddly was set on “auto-delete” until discovered).
And, why it might be regarding Jackson, consider the following:
That’s nice of them to say that they search and produce from her alias account(s). Now we will allow them to prove it with the assistance of judicial supervision. In fact, for reasons I explain a little below (at “*”), specifically past, exposed practices by secretive bureaucrats looking to keep public information from the public, we do not in fact know and need to confirm whether EPA has been searching and producing “Richard Windsor” email as appropriate in response to FOIA requests for Lisa Jackson email. That is a key issue relating to the discovery of this practice (along with what Browner emails existed, but her copies of which, only, were destroyed due to the account’s auto-delete setting that was only corrected in 2008, and they did not bother to try and reconstruct them).
This will come out in our suit (http://cei.org/news-releases/cei-sues-epa-administrators-secret-email-account-related-records), or our subsequent Windsor-specific FOIA request, or the investigations instigated by the House chairmen (http://science.house.gov/press-release/members-question-use-secret-email-accounts-top-obama-administration-officials).
We do have information leading us to suspect they’ve been redacting the address, improperly, when the request/production would have revealed that it was her alias, while actually acknowledging that that is not a lawful application of FOIA by releasing it (thereby acknowledging the information is not in fact properly withheld) when the production would not indicate to the requester that it was Jackson’s (attached production).
* We need to recognize the possibility that EPA was not searching the account(s): if a non-Jackson employee conducted the search, they’d not know about them; if Jackson or her aide did it, it is possible they chose not to, rationalizing that, well, the requester could not have know about the account and so couldn’t possibly have been thinking of it when asking for records from her EPA email. This would not be inconsistent with recently exposed practices of activist bureaucrats.
For example, as I explain in detail (including the problems this has caused) in The Liberal War on Transparency: Confessions of a Freedom of Information “Criminal” — irony alert: it was Jackson who called my FOIAing criminal — a major flaw with the way they implement FOIA is that the employee whose records are sought is the employee agencies task with producing potentially responsive records. They have the greatest incentive to hide records (as such, I suggest the first court we ask will conclude that all such searches are prima facie insufficient).
In one case, at NOAA, a senior official charged with leading the US involvement in the UN IPCC repeatedly failed to search for records or farm out requests for them, to staff who would possess responsive records, by stating that, really, any such records would have been produced or received by them while working for the UN (an IG affirmed, no, they weren’t). So any records in the office, well, they’d really be UN records (an IG affirmed, no, they wouldn’t). They pulled this for years, as an Inspector General acknowledged and condemned, until I called them on it. Soon, this now-former senior employee’s home computer and email account were being searched by the IT chief in response to my FOIA for “IPCC” records.
Now, with that said, note that I possess FOIA’d Jackson email showing that the Agency on at least one occasion has withheld her address. Possible reasons include, e.g., it is an alias account (“Windsor”, or other), another EPA account in her name but not her public one, or her personal account (which we’ve established this team widely also use for sensitive comms). This came in a 2010 production to Judicial Watch of several emails with Jackson’s address redacted, citing the (b)(2) exemption, claiming that the address relates to an “Internal Personnel Rule (or) Practice”. That is improper/unlawful. It is just secretive.
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Both links in Horner’s fourth paragraph (beginning “This will come out…”) are broken.
Of course nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, but why did you say “…but it doesn’t explain two things” but you listed three things?
Funny to see this happen on the back of 28Gate. FOI legislation had been a long-standing leftist dream. Check who celebrated its coming into law both in the USA and the UK.
Also remember who helped Wikileaks get the story out. Now outlets like The Guardian drown in hypocrisy having published not a single piece of news from the Palin emails but keeping mum and coward pretending 28Gate is not news.
Likewise the Great EPA is reduced under Obama to humiliating half-ways in its desperate attempt at concealing itself.
I have learnt to pre-judge these situations. Any attempt at hiding is a confession of malfeasance against ethics if not against the Law.
Best wishes to Chris Horner in this important inquiry. It would be most interesting to read her emails from the Rio +20 meetings with foreign governments and officials.
The fact that they sent you an e-mail shows that they, EPA, think WUWT is now important enough to communicate with on an official basis.
The content indicates that they are rattled.
I wonder if they will explain the 3 points you make.
So. Lisa Jackson used an internal email account nicknamed “Richard Windsor” for effective management and communication with colleagues, did she? I am looking forward to such time when she’ll be forced to explicate the issue under oath.
“Crossing a bluff when he [Richard Windsor] was with Lewis, he slipped and fell. Lewis ran to the edge and told him to dig his knife in and climb up. He did so, and escaped death.”
Would she escape likewise, digging her knife in?
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They did not say that Windsor was the name of either one of the two official accounts. They just said that two official accounts are provided for two different purposes.
They certainly don’t explain why it makes any sense whatsoever to name either one of the official accounts Richard Windsor. Is Richard the pet name amongst the whole staff or is it just what the White House calls her? Or was it just the one she used to proofread CIA intellgence reports for Gen. Petraeus while sending shirtless photos of herself to Eric Holder? Sorry, the higher the BS, the higher my sarcasm level.
Just who do they think they are kidding , the idea its ‘normal’ to have a second e-mail but using another name its really nonsense . Its interesting to speculate how many other used this ‘idea ‘ and how many other times FOI requests are be by passed by using the ‘we looked under the name you give us ‘ trick which this is clearly designed to make use of .
So no problems in this era of transparency of handing over the emails then?
I’m sure Holder will jump right on this as soon as he finishes the Fast and Furious case.
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Did something change at WUWT? I am experiencing weird effects like being unable to exit an opened article. Like this one it will not clear my screen.
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John Day:
Where does it say “two things”?
I am reading “these things”.
The “Richard Windsor” seems slightly irrelevant to me, it is just the “Display Name” for the email account. What I haven’t seen published anywhere is the actual email address. What is far more important is whether that address is @epa.gov and is it indicative of the position of the recipient.
Anyone know?
It would be laughable were it not so damn serious.
(Excuse the French–it was the most polite word I could come up with.)
There is not a boogeyman behind every discrepancy, and making every one into a big deal will make any issues you do find smaller. I would recommend moving on, this seems petty.
I don’t “buy” the explanation of the internet account. If I was running an email server for, say, 10,000 “public” listings, does that mean I would not use that same email system for running an additional 10,000 “in house” lisitngs? I don’t buy it. The setting up of an off government server email account, assuming that is what it was, is not to allow private communications within the agency as that could be done with intranet accounts. There has to be another reason, and that certainly would have nothing to do with accountability.
The comments by Chris Horner sound incoherent. If he wants to stand up in court it would be better if what he said was intelligible.
I’m on his side of the fence, but I don’t follow what he is trying to say. If a jury cannot either, what then?
Dead easy Brad if there is nothing to hide then the emails will be released or?
“…why it makes any sense whatsoever to name either one of the official accounts Richard Windsor…”
Lisa Jackson lives in East Windsor, New Jersey. Scroll down to ‘Notable People’-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Windsor_Township,_New_Jersey
I agree with Coach Springer here. “They did not say that Windsor was the name of either one of the two official accounts. They just said that two official accounts are provided for two different purposes.”
One always has to watch the pea. They said: “For more than a decade, EPA Administrators have been assigned two official, government-issued email accounts: a public account and an internal account.” It defies credulity that EPA would have assigned as her “internal account” an account in the name of Richard Windsor.
It would be nice to see all documents pertaining to the assignment of Jackson’s internal account and any documents in which Jackson notified the FOI administrators of this external account.
The EPA answered two of your questions:
Because any such standard account terminology would allow quick discovery, and clogging of the account with extraneous e-mails; “more than 1.5 million in fiscal year 2012”, for example, making the account useless for everyday internal use.
Actually, no it’s not. It seems to be an attempt to keep the public uninformed and it certainly appears to be illegal.
This is an administration that from the top down has no regard to the letter of the law. The motto seems to be “try, lie and deny” until the story just fades away.
Feel free to move on Brad, some of us will take our chances seeing this play out.
“EPA chief Lisa Jackson may be moving on”
OR RATHER GETTING OUT OF TOWN BEFORE THE COPS SHOW UP…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/post/epa-chief-lisa-jackson-may-be-moving-on/2012/11/15/fa6f944e-2f68-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_blog.html