Currents and climate – still not settled

From Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution  via Eurekalert

(new current not shown) Topographic map of the Nordic Seas and subpolar basins with schematic circulation of surface currents (solid curves) and deep currents (dashed curves) that form a portion of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation. Colors of curves indicate approximate temperatures. Source: R. Curry, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution/Science/USGCRP.

Newly discovered Icelandic current could change North Atlantic climate picture

An international team of researchers, including physical oceanographers from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI), has confirmed the presence of a deep-reaching ocean circulation system off Iceland that could significantly influence the ocean’s response to climate change in previously unforeseen ways.

The current, called the North Icelandic Jet (NIJ), contributes to a key component of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), also known as the “great ocean conveyor belt,” which is critically important for regulating Earth’s climate. As part of the planet’s reciprocal relationship between ocean circulation and climate, this conveyor belt transports warm surface water to high latitudes where the water warms the air, then cools, sinks, and returns towards the equator as a deep flow.

Crucial to this warm-to-cold oceanographic choreography is the Denmark Strait Overflow Water (DSOW), the largest of the deep, overflow plumes that feed the lower limb of the conveyor belt and return the dense water south through gaps in the Greenland-Scotland Ridge.

For years it has been thought that the primary source of the Denmark Overflow is a current adjacent to Greenland known as the East Greenland Current. However, this view was recently called into question by two oceanographers from Iceland who discovered a deep current flowing southward along the continental slope of Iceland. They named the current the North Icelandic Jet and hypothesized that it formed a significant part of the overflow water.

Now, in a paper published in the Aug. 21 online issue of the journal Nature Geoscience, the team of researchers—including the two Icelanders who discovered it—has confirmed that the Icelandic Jet is not only a major contributor to the DSOW but “is the primary source of the densest overflow water.”

“In our paper we present the first comprehensive measurements of the NIJ,” said Robert S. Pickart of WHOI, one of the authors of the study. “Our data demonstrate that the NIJ indeed carries overflow water into Denmark Strait and is distinct from the East Greenland Current. We show that the NIJ constitutes approximately half of the total overflow transport and nearly all of the densest component.

The researchers used a numerical model to hypothesize where and how the NIJ is formed. “We’ve identified a new paradigm,” he said. “We’re hypothesizing a new, overturning loop” of warm water to cold.

h/t to Dr. Leif Svalgaard

The results, Pickart says, have “important ramifications” for ocean circulation’s impact on climate. Climate specialists have been concerned that the conveyor belt is slowing down due to a rise in global temperatures. They suggest that increasing amounts of fresh water from melting ice and other warming-related phenomena are making their way into the northern North Atlantic, where it could freeze, which would prevent the water from sinking and decrease the need for the loop to deliver as much warm water as it does now. Eventually, this could lead to a colder climate in the northern hemisphere.

While this scenario is far from certain, it is critical that researchers understand the overturning process, he said, to be able to make accurate predictions about the future of climate and circulation interaction. “If a large fraction of the overflow water comes from the NIJ, then we need to re-think how quickly the warm-to-cold conversion of the AMOC occurs, as well as how this process might be altered under a warming climate,” Pickart said.

“These results implicate local water mass transformation and exchange near Iceland as central contributors to the deep limb of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, and raise new questions about how global ocean circulation will respond to future climate change,” said Eric Itsweire, program director in the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF)’s Division of Ocean Sciences, which funded the research.

The Research Council of Norway also funded the analysis of the data.

Pickart and a team of scientists from the U.S., Iceland, Norway, and the Netherlands are scheduled to embark on Aug. 22 on a cruise aboard the WHOI-operated R/V Knorr to collect new information on the overturning in the Iceland Sea.

“During our upcoming cruise on the Knorr we will, for the first time, deploy an array of year-long moorings across the entire Denmark Strait to quantify the NIJ and distinguish it from the East Greenland Current,” Pickart said. “Then we will collect shipboard measurements in the Iceland Sea to the north of the mooring line to determine more precisely where and how the NIJ originates.”

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In addition to Pickart, authors of the Nature Geoscience study include Michael A. Spall, and Daniel J. Torres of WHOI, lead author Kjetil Våge, a graduate of the MIT-WHOI joint program now with University of Bergen, Norway, Svein Østerhus and Tor Eldevik, also of the University of Bergen, Norway, and Héðinn Valdimarsson and Steingrímur Jónsson—the two discoverers of the NIJ—of the Marine Research Institute in Reykjavik, Iceland.

The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution is a private, independent organization in Falmouth, Mass., dedicated to marine research, engineering, and higher education. Established in 1930 on a recommendation from the National Academy of Sciences, its primary mission is to understand the ocean and its interaction with the Earth as a whole, and to communicate a basic understanding of the ocean’s role in the changing global environment.

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See this previous WUWT article on the East Greenland Current, for which no trend was found. Study of the East Greenland Current finds no trend

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Fred Allen
August 21, 2011 7:45 pm

More funds required…yada…yada…yada. At least this seems worthy of additional study, but once again highlights the fact that despite their highly evolved, immensely accurate models (sarc), the AGW modelling team know sweet FA about all the means and methods of ocean heat transfer. “The more we know, the more we don’t know.”

Theo Goodwin
August 21, 2011 7:57 pm

Thank God for scientists who do empirical research. They can turn up such a huge flow of cold water that the existing account of the AMOC has to be revised. I wonder what other climate scientists could discover if they actually ventured away from their computers and looked for stuff? The science is not settled. Heck, the building blocks of Earth’s climate haven’t even been mapped.

John Trigge
August 21, 2011 8:02 pm

Fred Allen says:
August 21, 2011 at 7:45 pm
“The more we know, the more we don’t know.”
I agree with Fred and would add “The more we know, the more we don’t know what we don’t know”.
The models seem to be worse than we thought.

August 21, 2011 8:10 pm

“…as well as how this process might be altered under a warming climate,”
The level of desperate floundering grows by leaps and bounds. When they find out they know less than they thought, they wonder how this will be affected by global warming. Ignorance must mean “the science is settled” on the planet they come from.

TomRude
August 21, 2011 8:16 pm

“These results implicate local water mass transformation and exchange near Iceland as central contributors to the deep limb of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, and raise new questions about how global ocean circulation will respond to future climate change,” said Eric Itsweire, program director in the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF)’s Division of Ocean Sciences, which funded the research.
Indeed frightening since Iceland has been about the same position of the Mid Atlantic Ridge for over 10 million years and that during that time as we know the climate was… flat, stable, nothing
happened. So when humans start messing up with this… sarc/off

August 21, 2011 8:38 pm

I think this is an important paper because it forces people to look more carefully at the “Ocean conveyor belt”. Wunsch has maintained and done the math, the conveyor belt as commonly depicted is “pure science fiction”. He has convincingly demonstrated that only winds and tides provide the necessary energy to affect the overturning circulation. The winds will continue to deliver the warm waters poleward. The warmist however suggest that the conveyor belt will stop because the warm saline waters delivered by branches of the Gulf Stream will not cool sufficiently to sink and “complete the loop” of the conveyor belt. But it is as unfounded an assumption as the science fiction portrayed in the movie” The Day After Tomorrow” The logical extension from Wunsch’s analyses is that the temperature gradient from the pole to the equator will always generate the winds that drive the surface currents like the gulf Stream, but the return flow can have many less obvious return routes at different depths. The depth that the returning Gulf Stream waters sink, is determined as much if not more so by salinity caused density due to evaporation as it is by cooling temperature. The waters can return at different depths and still “complete the loop”. If they don’t cool and sink to hypothezied depths of the conveyor belt they will return at other depths, mass balance dictates this. I suggest this paper is the beginning of deconstructing the simplistic notion of the conveyor belt that Wunsch and others call pure fiction.

JRR Canada
August 21, 2011 9:10 pm

But the science is settled. Sarc off.Interesting how little is really understood by the team.I agree with Fred, nice to see someone is still doing earth observation/science.

tetris
August 21, 2011 9:10 pm

Until further notice it is changes in the oceans [e.g. the PDO for medium term or the ENSO cycles for short term] that affect weather and by extension regional climates [see PDO]. Any evidence that “climate change” aka “global warming” is changing the behaviour of the oceans? This paper wants to imply that AGW might change that. Only implies. No evidence.
Meanwhile the temperature fluctuations between a normal El Nino and and a normal La Nina exceed the 0.7 overall increase since 1850.

RoHa
August 21, 2011 9:21 pm

They don’t know how ocean currents work after all? That means we’re doomed.

Barry L.
August 21, 2011 9:39 pm

This line has always bothered me….
Climate specialists have been concerned that the conveyor belt is slowing down due to a rise in global temperatures.
This is why it has bothered me…
If the conveyer belt were to be modeled as a heat engine. Equatorial temperature would be (TH) and Polar temperature would be (TC). The conveyor belt, being mass in motion, would be (W).
Based on this, we can draw 2 assumptions:
1) Global warming will cause a reduction in the difference between (TH) and (TC). This will in turn cause a reduction in (W), hence positive feedback and more evil global warming. I don’t believe this.
OR
2) Global warming will cause an increase in the difference between (TH) and (TC). This will in turn cause an increase in (W), hence negative feedback and we can all get over this global warming thing. An increase in (W) means the conveyor won’t slow down.
Anyone else ever ponder this? Comments?

John Robertson
August 21, 2011 9:56 pm

There seems to be some confusion:
“They suggest that increasing amounts of fresh water from melting ice and other warming-related phenomena are making their way into the northern North Atlantic, where it could freeze, which would prevent the water from sinking and decrease the need for the loop to deliver as much warm water as it does now. Eventually, this could lead to a colder climate in the northern hemisphere.”
So, if the world heats up then the conveyor belt slows down leading to cooler arctic temperatures…which seems to define yet another negative feedback to me.

Jim G
August 21, 2011 11:11 pm

Stating “…and how this will be affected by climate change.” at the end of paper has become akin to “Burma Shave” at the end of witty highway signs.

Tenuc
August 21, 2011 11:42 pm

“…The researchers used a numerical model to hypothesize where and how the NIJ is formed. “We’ve identified a new paradigm,” he said. “We’re hypothesizing a new, overturning loop” of warm water to cold…”
It will be interesting to see if data from actual observations supports or refutes the computer model. I wonder if we will hear anything more of this should the hypothesis turn out to be false?

John Peter
August 22, 2011 12:29 am

John Robertson says:
August 21, 2011 at 9:56 pm
“So, if the world heats up then the conveyor belt slows down leading to cooler arctic temperatures…which seems to define yet another negative feedback to me.”
So those predicting the disappearance of Arctic summer ice will be so disappointed.

August 22, 2011 12:51 am

There are annul solar declinational tides and 27.32 day lunar declinational tides that help to drive the meridional circulation in the deep ocean as well as lunar declinational tides in the atmosphere that generate the winds mentioned in this paper, that reflects what I said here.
http://research.aerology.com/natural-processes/sea-ice-thermostat/

August 22, 2011 12:57 am

…how this process might be altered under a warming climate…
And what kind of data will they gain given they will be studying the process under a cooling climate?

Scottish Sceptic
August 22, 2011 1:12 am

Jim Steele says: August 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm
I think this is an important paper because it forces people to look more carefully at the “Ocean conveyor belt”. Wunsch has maintained and done the math, the conveyor belt as commonly depicted is “pure science fiction”. He has convincingly demonstrated that only winds and tides provide the necessary energy to affect the overturning circulation. The winds will continue to deliver the warm waters poleward. The warmist however suggest that the conveyor belt will stop because the warm saline waters delivered by branches of the Gulf Stream will not cool sufficiently to sink and “complete the loop” of the conveyor belt.
Thanks! How many times have we heard that global warming could stop the Gulf stream and make us (Scotland) as cold as the West Coast of the Atlantic which is several degrees colder. Even a cursory look at currents in the Pacfic and comparisons of W-E temperatures shows that the pacific where there is no significant gap into the Arctic shows the same W-E temperature differential, which clearly has everything to do with trade wind driven currents and nothing to do with barmy global warming nonsense.

August 22, 2011 1:53 am

The researchers used a numerical model to hypothesize where and how the NIJ is formed. “We’ve identified a new paradigm,” he said. “We’re hypothesizing a new, overturning loop” of warm water to cold.
h/t to Dr. Leif Svalgaard

Thanks Anthony.
That is the most welcome news. I’ve been rumbling for some time about the importance of ocean currents in the area, but felt that the picture was not complete.
Dr. Leif Svalgaard may remember as he called it ‘your favourite area’ and the ‘reversed correlation’ as posted on the WUWT a year or two ago..
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFCa.htm
but there has been more progress since then.
There is far more to the N. Atlantic then the credit is given to.

Bob Layson
August 22, 2011 2:36 am

These researchers are to be congratulated on discovering more details of the mechanism by which the world goes on being ordinary – ice ages apart, that is (and even they are part of a long-term same-old same-old.rhythm).

August 22, 2011 2:38 am

Re: M.A.Vukcevic says:
August 22, 2011 at 1:53 am
My post on the WUWT appeared just over 2 years ago(file LFC-B.htm)
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/12/solar-tilt/#comment-455639
followed by Dr. Svalgaards comment:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/12/solar-tilt/#comment-455643
see also:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/12/solar-tilt/#comment-456825
and lots more…Time flies, doesn’t it?
And I written only about dozen pages of my article on the natural causes of climate change. If it was not for the ‘addictive’ attraction of the WUWT , I would have not done even that, or more likely none of it.
Thanks to Anthony for the hospitality and Dr. Svalgaard for the ‘encouragement’ .

tallbloke
August 22, 2011 2:41 am

“Climate specialists have been concerned that the conveyor belt is slowing down due to a rise in global temperatures. They suggest that increasing amounts of fresh water from melting ice and other warming-related phenomena are making their way into the northern North Atlantic, where it could freeze, which would prevent the water from sinking and decrease the need for the loop to deliver as much warm water as it does now. Eventually, this could lead to a colder climate in the northern hemisphere.”
Sounds like a fairly simple negative feedback loop.

August 22, 2011 5:13 am

tallbloke says:
August 22, 2011 at 2:41 am
Sounds like a fairly simple negative feedback loop.
Only if it was that simply…..
As you are aware I ‘ve done a bit of ‘armchair research’ in the N. Atlantic (see link in my previous post). Any feedback can be via subpolar gyre (closed loop with tc of 20-25 years, well documented), and number of solutions are proposed:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SPGfb.htm
but they all are missing the vital ingredient to explain the long term change periods (Roman, MWP, LIA & modern warming), which may be the North Atlantic Precursor: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-NAP.htm

Paul Vaughan
August 22, 2011 6:13 am

M.A.Vukcevic (August 22, 2011 at 1:53 am) ” […] http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFCa.htm […]”
If people give you a hard time about reversing temporal correlations, just remind them of the spatial dimensions. For example, a jet moves from one side of a point to the other, reversing the direction of the back-eddy loop. (Note: There are other spatial pattern changes that can reverse temporal correlation.) LINEAR correlation is categorically NOT the right measure of coherence in such contexts; rather COMPLEX correlation should be used. The reality to which everyone has to wake up is that temporal correlations can & do reverse sign due to spatial change. And yes, this reality applies to geomagnetic indices. In what context might one expect simple linear correlations? Perhaps laminar flow in a narrow tube – (not exactly a good Earth model).

Paul Vaughan
August 22, 2011 6:26 am

Richard Holle wrote (August 22, 2011 at 12:51 am)
“There are annul solar declinational tides and 27.32 day lunar declinational tides that help to drive the meridional circulation in the deep ocean as well as lunar declinational tides in the atmosphere that generate the winds mentioned in this paper, that reflects what I said here.
http://research.aerology.com/natural-processes/sea-ice-thermostat/

Gravitational tides …& thermal tides. Don’t forget about semi-annual insolation tides in the atmosphere. This stands out to me as a key piece of the picture that you never emphasize …even if you are aware.

August 22, 2011 9:36 am

Well the science is even less settled than we thought. IMO the UEA insider who outed the emails that became known as Climategate should receive the Nobel Prize (if its not being given out in Cracker Jack or children’s cereals these days). This person should be called the Father of Modern Climatology because by unblocking the work of scientists who were doubtful of CAGW, we have seen an explosion of new, real, non-alarmist science and the decline of works by the synod of CAGW bishops. Incidentally, according to “Coffee Talk” (I don’t have the link, sorry), the environment has slipped to 9th place among significant issues to Canadians, a tribute to the common sense of the much maligned ordinary person. Amazingly (to our well-heeled CAGW set) Canadians are more concerned with having jobs, lower gasoline and other energy prices, lower food prices, lower housing costs and similar other boring issues. No wonder Suzuki is so testy