Joe Bastardi in Vanity Fair

Photograph courtesy of Joe Bastardi.

This is a campy interview by Eric Spitznagel who runs “Awkward question time” at VF, is with our favorite forecaster, Joe Bastardi. Spitznagel was trying to make Joe look like some sort of WWF member (Not the fake wildlife crisis kind, but the fake wrestling kind). Still there’s some funny and serious moments. Here’s a few excerpts:

 

What seems more fake to you, the argument that carbon emissions are melting the glaciers, or when the Iron Sheik surprises Hulk Hogan with a camel clutch?

I couldn’t tell you, I’m not into professional wrestling. I watch it every once in a while. I’m more about collegiate wrestling and mixed martial arts and ultimate fighting. That’s as real as it gets. As far as the global warming goes, to me that’s just a big forecast. Who’s going to be right? There are guys saying C02 is driving the whole thing and making the world warmer. Well, for the last 30 years, since we started the satellite era, the globe has been stacked for warmth. Now it’s changing around, so if the global temperature falls over the next 20, 30 years, we’ll know it’s not C02.

My problem with the debate is, it always seems like the people saying climate change is a myth are the same ones who own Hummers.

O.K., hold on. Those kinds of generalizations drive me crazy. You know what kind of car I drive? A Prius. I always have an economical car. Why? Forty miles per gallon sounds good to me. I also have an S.U.V., but that’s because I have kids. Somebody hits the darn thing from the side, with an S.U.V. you have a better chance of living. But it’s not about common sense, it’s about demonizing the other side. Suppose I drove a daisy-mobile, that was fueled entirely on daisies. Somebody would yell at me, “You’re killing all the daisies!”

Not me. I would totally buy your daisy-mobile.

I will tell you this. If I’m wrong about climate change, I will be the biggest cheerleader for the other side. What I resent is the demonization and the shutting down of the debate. When did we get to the point where one side of the debate is shut down completely? When did this happen? I don’t understand it. It’s why I didn’t read any of the Climategate e-mails. You know why? Because it would bias me against these guys. Everybody’s up in arms about the darn e-mails. All I’m concerned about is their work, and whether their work is right or wrong. All of that other stuff gets in the way of the issue, which is a very simple issue.

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50 Responses to Joe Bastardi in Vanity Fair

  1. John A says:

    I’m surprised Joe hasn’t read the Climategate emails. They are clear data as far as I can see

  2. Simon says:

    The fact that I don’t know where joe is now is driving me bananas.

  3. PaulH says:

    I’d like a daisy-mobile too, please. :-)

  4. geoff says:

    Joe is right, the proof is in the pudding. Only problem is, the warmers don’t want to give us a chance to see who is right. They come up with excuses why there is more snow or things are not working out like they predicted.

    Just look at the political scene. When one party lost the election two years ago, the majority party says “be quiet, we won and you did not”.

    When the majority party becomes the minority and see legislation they don’t like, they run for the hills and don’t play by the rules, they morf them to whatever is expedient.

  5. George E. Smith says:

    So I don’t know am I reading Joe Bastardi, or Anthony Watts ?

    Anyway, I dig the WWF; at least there I know I’m being lied to, and enjoying it. Also the E in my name stands for EFFICIENCY. I have spent my whole career trying to improve the efficiency of how we do things. I enjoyed the luxury of growing up on the outskirts (and not so far out) of WW-II, so I learned to think that maybe the meal I was eating could be the last food I would see for who knows how long. So when I eat an apple there ain’t no such thing as a core; apples come either without , or with a stem; otherwise they are all the same, and if you buy them by the pound it doesn’t matter if that is 3 to the pound or ten to the pound; it is still all apple.

    So I have just about cleaned my house out of incandescent light bulbs as well as CFLs. My one candelabra dimmer became an on-off switch last Sunday, so the fixture is now all non dimmable LEDs, and one final small CFL; the fixture is too enclosed for the available LED bulbs, on the main center lamp; the peripheral candle LEDs are just fine.

    No I’m not a green nut; I’m not into organic produce; it’s way overpriced and way overhyped. Who was the last person you know of who died from chemically poisoned food (not bacterially). Farmers can’t afford to spread noxious chemicals either on their food, or on their workers; it costs them money so they don’t do it.

    When I see graphs showing that worldwide, food production linearly matches energy input to the food system, I realize how insane it is to waste precious food producing ground and soil; not to mention equally precious water; to make fake chemical fuels.

    It also makes no sense to me, to take low class energy sources, like chemicals or heat, and use them to obtain high class energy like electricity (with well known Carnot efficiency limits) only to then waste that golden electricity; to go back at least one step to either mechanical energy, or worse yet to revert to heat; the lowest form of energy life.

    But I also don’t believe in the “Precautionary Principle”, which basically says you don’t even know enough about the problem to know if there even is a problem. Religious folks follow the Precautionary gospel. You might as well believe in a supreme being, because if you don’t you might catch hell in the afterlife; but if you are wrong, and there is no afterlife either; what harm is it going to do you when you are pushing up daisies. So you act like a a-hole all week then go and confess on Sunday, so you can go back to being a jerk next week. How about being nice to others; simply because who wants to be a jerk all the time.

    But mostly I believe in freedom; along with the golden rule. If you like to drive a hummer, or a six liter pickemup truck, with a shotgun in the window; it’s not my place to tell you that’s not cool. If it helps you to be a really nice guy beneath all that macho bluster; then do it man !

  6. Stonyground says:

    I’m an AGW sceptic and I drive a Peugot 206 estate that does 55mpg. The point about the emails and the Hocky Stick graph is that there is a great deal of evidence there that the people at the forefront of the push to convince us all that the sky is falling are not being honest. Why would scientists who had a cast iron case be anything but totally honest and straight?

  7. M White says:

    Skoda Yeti SE 1.8 TSI 4×4 Fuel Consumption

    Urban Fuel28 mpg

    Extra Urban40.9 mpg

    Combined35.3 mpg

    You wouldn’t get me in a prius

    Skoda Yeti E 2.0 TDI CR Fuel Consumption

    Urban Fuel42.8 mpg

    Extra Urban60.1 mpg

    Combined52.3 mpg

    http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/skoda/skoda-yeti-e-2.0-tdi-cr-fuel-consumption.asp

  8. Norm814 says:

    But if the e-mail prove that there data has been faked it is wrong

  9. I’m sorry. I read this expecting a serious interview or debate about long range forecasts and global warming issues, but this interviewer is just being silly. so my over-simplified generalization is that when the GW alarmists aren’t trying to shut down the discussion they are acting silly to distract people from serious science and real information.

  10. Gary Hladik says:

    PaulH says (February 25, 2011 at 11:01 am): “I’d like a daisy-mobile too, please. :-)”

    Be careful what you wish for. If the ethanol enthusiasts get their way, that’s pretty much what we’ll all be driving. :-)

  11. Steven Kopits says:

    I had no idea Joe was a body builder. That explains the over-sized jacket.

    I wish VF has asked Joe about why he left Accuweather and what his plans are. (Perhaps the interview occurred earlier.)

    Joe is one of the guys that can be relied upon to give reasonably unbiased forecasts, so his presence will be missed.

  12. reason says:

    SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY AT THE WAL-MART ARENA!
    Jim Cantore VERSUS Joe Bastardi in a no-rules steel cage match!
    $25 gets you the entire seat…
    …BUT YOU’LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!

  13. ellenshipley says:

    I’m hoping Joe Bastardi finds another online outlet so we can all get our fix.

  14. Pull My Finger says:

    Interestingly the loudest mouths for AGW are the ones driving Hummers, Ferraris, Escalades, Gulfstreams, or wasting tons of energy making Hollywood movies, staging gigantic rock concerts, and living in 50,000 sq ft. $10 million houses. The Al Gores, Bonos, Larry Davids.

    I’ll give Ed Begley Jr. credit, although he is a total nutter, he is at least a sincere nutter.

  15. Guy says:

    For Geoff:

    “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”

  16. ShrNfr says:

    I guess the people naming that mag never read Bunyan and “Pilgrim’s Progress”. Vanity Fair was one of the less desirable locations on the route of the pilgrim.

  17. DonS says:

    @Kenneth Russell. Er… the name of the magazine tells you all you need to know.

  18. Dave Dodd says:

    George E. Smith says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Once again: You DON’T put the shotgun in the rear window — some a-hole will shatter the glass to steal it! Besides, it’s easier to retrieve when you step out, just by placing it on the floorboard behind the seat…

  19. Ray says:

    Is Joe making advertisements for Viagra?

  20. Alex says:

    Bastardi is getting weak. A couple more cocktail parties with Vanity fair types and he goes AGW…
    I tell you it is all in cocktail parties.

  21. Janice says:

    “Suppose I drove a daisy-mobile, that was fueled entirely on daisies.”

    It is called an ox-cart. And it also produces a by-product that can be used in your garden. Though you do need to figure out how to feed it daisies during the winter.

  22. Stephan says:

    All I know, this guy’s predictions together with D Archibalds have been spot on, Ice extent, temps etc….

  23. George E. Smith says:

    “”””” Dave Dodd says:
    February 25, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    George E. Smith says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Once again: You DON’T put the shotgun in the rear window — some a-hole will shatter the glass to steal it! Besides, it’s easier to retrieve when you step out, just by placing it on the floorboard behind the seat… “””””

    Now why would you go and do a fool thing like leave the over and under in the truck, while you are out getting the groceries; you might need it in the interim; are you sure you’re a real Redneck, and not just one of those Hollywood girlie men ?

  24. lawrie says:

    Here in Aus we are in depression. Our mates across the ditch are doing it tough in Christchurch. As if that ain’t bad enough our deceiptful PM has announced a “carbon” tax which she ruled out before the recent election. Most Australians are easy going, we don’t show our emotions much but we don’t like it when someone lies to us. Now the PM has done just that over a subject that is full of lies. Lies so grand that we aren’t allowed to discuss them except here and a few blogs. A poll prior to the PM’s announcement found from a survey of 16000 plus that only 34% agreed that the world was warming and that it was because of human emissions. That’s a lot less than the 58% before Copenhagen. 38% said they were unsure because of conflicting science and 26% said CC was natural.

    If we could ever get an open debate that 38% would join the 26% and the 34% would shrink.

    As Joe says, a continuing global cooling over the next few decades will be the stake in the heart of AGW. We just have to survive the madness a bit longer.

  25. PB-in-AL says:

    How’s about a barred owl-mobile? That’d kill… uhm… two birds… nevermind.

    :)

  26. View from the Solent says:

    George E. Smith says:
    February 25, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    “”””” Dave Dodd says:
    February 25, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    George E. Smith says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:06 am
    ….
    Now why would you go and do a fool thing like leave the over and under in the truck, …
    ————————————————————————————-
    Tut. Over and under? You’re a cad sir. Gentlemen use a side b’ side.
    (English gentlemen, that is)

  27. Anthony
    You know that WWF sued the WWF and Vince McMahon and got him to back from using the name. McMahon changed to WWE, quite a while ago now.

    The WCW – now that was the stuff.

  28. It's always Marcia, Marcia says:

    Everybody’s up in arms about the darn e-mails. All I’m concerned about is their work, and whether their work is right or wrong

    Their work is already turning out to be wrong. The emails give clear indications as to what they are doing. Please read the emails, Joe. It will not bias you. It will open your eyes to them.

  29. Steve in SC says:

    Stonyground says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I’m an AGW sceptic and I drive a Peugot 206 estate that does 55mpg. The point about the emails and the Hocky Stick graph is that there is a great deal of evidence there that the people at the forefront of the push to convince us all that the sky is falling are not being honest. Why would scientists who had a cast iron case be anything but totally honest and straight?

    I believe Herr Stonyground has gotten right to the heart of the matter.
    It is a matter of who is honest and who is not.

  30. George E. Smith says:

    “”””” lawrie says:
    February 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    Here in Aus we are in depression. Our mates across the ditch are doing it tough in Christchurch. As if that ain’t bad enough our deceiptful PM has announced a “carbon” tax which she ruled out before the recent election. Most Australians are easy going, we don’t show our emotions much but we don’t like it when someone lies to us.

    Well Lawrie, we of the shaky isles; wherever we are, are always grateful to know that our cobbers on the big island to the West; feel our pain too. I’m in contact with somewhat stunned friends, who live in the urbs of Ch-ch, and though they survived, and their belongings; know full well that the news will finally be much worse than it is now.

    And it’s only a matter of weeks since we learned that half of Queensland was flooded; I still don’t know just what the ‘Strine half of the family, around Melbin actually had happening there at the same time.

    Let’s face it, we pretty much only have each other, on the crusty side of the pizza, so we better hang together; well we always have.

    Even though I’m now on the Part of America, that is going to fall into the Pacific; it’s always tough to hear of the travails of the folks down under.

    I’m in constant contact, with folks trying to rid both places; of the carbon insanity; seems like you inherited a dumb dame, cast in the sem mould as our chaps just sent out to pasture; not that the replacement is showing much common sense either.

    Sooner or later, some common sense may come through Lawrie; and you chaps are really in worse shape, since you have not much water; and plenty of coal.

  31. rbateman says:

    Joe Cool. That’s what I like about him. Never loses it, on or off camera.

  32. Doug Allen says:

    Joe’s not a body builder. He was a fine wrestler as an undergrad, now coaches wrestling at Penn State, and is one of the best senior (age group) wrestlers in the world.

  33. JC says:

    Anyone around here get Accuweather Pro on their iPhone? Interesting post over at Gather.com about Joe’s resignation from a subscriber who was able to get all of their mets videos except for Joe. He sent an email to Joe and a few hours later Bastardi announced his adios. I have no idea of the veracity of this, but there should be plenty of people out there on this same service that can verify.

  34. Bob Franke says:

    Joe, I miss your blog. We need your facts to counter the GW nuts. What ever you end up doing, I wish you luck, but I need my Big Dog and Long Ranger fix.

  35. Shiloh says:

    @doug allen

    Joe is a competitive bodybuilder, and talked about it frequently on his accuweather blog.

  36. ed bell says:

    The interview followed the usual format of “Awkward Question time”. I thought Joe did a great job with it and actually came across as a cool customer that wasn’t afraid to roll along with the interview. It’s noteworthy, IMO, that he was even considered for the article considering his views and the abundance of pro AGW press coverage.

  37. David Falkner says:

    I’d like to arm wrestle Mr. Bastardi. Winner is right about climate change. We’re on the same side, but don’t let that minor detail distract you.

  38. DR says:

    Was that Beavis our Butthead doing the interview?

  39. Brian H says:

    geoff says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Joe is right, the proof is in the pudding.

    As pointed out, the proof is in the eating. But I really don’t think we want to get to the part where we have to eat AGW-mitigation pudding! It’s thin, sour, and poisonous.

  40. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:

    Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    February 25, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Doh! Wrong thread!

  41. hunter says:

    The sad bigotry of the interviewer in full display.

  42. dp says:

    The other Joe had some interesting pleasantries to offer regarding Joe B.

    http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/06/joe-bastardi-worst-long-range-forecaster-accuweather-global-warming/

    Probably a good thing that thread is closed. It’s time for a rematch.

  43. Another Gareth says:

    It’s The Rock’s older brother!

    Joe said: There are a lot of reputable people who think another ice age is coming. I go to conferences where there’ll be a thousand PhDs who don’t believe any of this stuff.

    Pity these PhDs never get a hearing. The traditional way of conflicting ideas leading towards something resembling the truth has been sidestepped by the agents of politics and advocacy that control the purse strings on science funding.

  44. Slacko says:

    Kenneth Russell says:
    February 25, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “… this interviewer is just being silly.” … “when the GW alarmists aren’t trying to shut down the discussion they are acting silly to distract people from serious science and real information.”

    Yep. Very disappointing.

  45. John of Kent says:

    I was amazed to discover this week that Joe Bastardi is an accomplished natural competitive bodybuilder.

    What next?? We find out that Piers Corbyn is a 10th dan black belt Karate master??

  46. Joe Bastardi says:

    Eric is nice guy and he was trying to have some fun. A couple of things. I dont drive a prius, I rent them though and happen to like them. Big Deal,right. And I said dang, not damn in the interview, cause I don’t use 4 letter words ( except for a snow lover.. rain) and finally, the next 20-30 years will prove which emperor has no clothes in this argument, whether I read emails or not. I just find that sometimes, like most humans, if one gets too wrapped up in some things then you
    focus on the messenger and not the message. My message is the earth is cooling back to where it was in the 70s and we have the objective satellite data to prove it, no matter what those emails said.

  47. Michael Jennings says:

    Hey Joe, how about a heads up as to where you will be working?

  48. savethesharks says:

    Joe,

    Even though Eric tried to “shut down the debate” numerous times even in a tongue-in-cheek way with little greenie red herrings…you held your own throughout….as always.

    I thought your responses were excellent….and you controlled the situation….despite Eric getting his panties in a bunch “So you are saying Al Gore is a jerk etc.”

    LOL….it is so funny watching these guys trip over their *****.

    Well, all the best on your ventures. I have to confess I just cancelled my Accuweather Pro subscription (which is good through Nov of this year)…but I was a member of AW because I craved always hearing about your long-range instincts.

    They are going to have a tough time trying to fill your shoes.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

    You have nothing to apologize for….e

  49. Richard says:

    Uh…unless Accuweather is late to the party Joe’s info is still there and he is a bodybuilder:

    Both Joe and Jessica are competitive “drug–free” bodybuilders. Joe captured his weight classes in the over 35 and over 45–year–old brackets in the United States Natural bodybuilding championships in 2001, then outdid that by winning the overall title in October of 2002.

    http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/news-bio.asp?partner=accuweather&blog=bastardi

  50. R. Craigen says:

    Wow, your excerpts could comprise the very definition of “not taking the bait”. I’ve never paid much attention to Joe. He just got a huge boost in esteem points from me. I envy folks who can expose the agenda behind questions instead of going on the defense. Think I’m gonna study Joe for a while; he’s taken some anti-Alinsky steroids or something.

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