Morano on Fox News on the 10:10 exploding children film

Intolerance, thy name is environmentalism.

?? – no comment – it was empty – Anthony

O.T. but IMPORTANT news by Stephan (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/04/sea-ice-news-25-nsidc-says-2010-3rd-lowest-for-arctic-sea-ice):
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/New%20Mann%20CID.PDF
“September 29, 2010 – Civil Investigative Demand – The nature of the conduct constituting the alleged violation of the false claims law is that, based on claims made in Dr. Mann’s CV, he participated in the application for and claims for payment under the grant listed below. Upon information and belief, the grant application references Dr. Mann’s prior work, including two papers, “Global-scale Temperature Patterns and Climate Forcing over the Past Six Centuries” and “Northern Hemisphere Temperatures During the Past Millennium: Inferences, Uncertainties and Limitations”, which have come under significant criticism (see Attachment B, which is incorporated herein by reference) and which Dr. Mann knew or should have known contained false information, unsubstantiated claims and/or were otherwise misleading. Specifically, but without limitation, some of the conclusions of the papers demonstrate a complete lack of rigor regarding the statistical analysis of the alleged data, meaning the result reported statistical significance without a specific statement to that effect. To the extent that Dr. Mann did reference or rely on his past work in these papers (or others like them) to aid in the winning of the grant when he knew of [sic] should have known of the potential of the papers (or others like them) to mislead the grantor..”.
This will be interesting..

Good! The word is spreading to the MSM. Is there a list of corporate sponsors (besides Sony)? I’d like to know who to boycott during the upcoming Christmas shopping season…

This whole mess has been blown all out of proportion.
A killer idea, it was splattered across the internet as an attack on the hearts and minds (and other internal organs) of deniers and middle-of-the-roaders alike.
It is explosively obvious that this film shatters the bloody-mindedness of those that fail to see the light….
Need I go on?

Beautiful one-liner from Morano, “environmental snuff films.” That is the level to which they sank.

[snip -off topic, Iraq War ~mod]

[snip]
This video portrays the kind of society we are headed towards:

When rhetoric boils over and good sense fails.
It’s time to look at what’s going on under the hood.
Hijacked environmental issues would mean that key persons sold out a long time back.

Jeremy says:
October 4, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Thanks for the reminder. That was chilling enough.

The Facebook page seems to be back now.
In fairness, this contest ran on “The Age of Stupid” (Franny’s film that preceded the 10:10 Campaign) Facebook page, rather than the 10:10 Facebook page.
See the whole thing here
A searing review of the “The Age of Stupid” film appears here

Frank K. says on October 4, 2010 at 7:35 pm

Good! The word is spreading to the MSM. Is there a list of corporate sponsors (besides Sony)? I’d like to know who to boycott during the upcoming Christmas shopping season…

It was claimed that 10:10 in Germany said the Microsoft was a sponsor.

That interview was actually pretty low key. After they showed the video, there’s not much to say. You just sit there wondering what they were thinking.

It reminds me of those mindless catch-phrases, like: “Whatever it takes”
“Just do it” “Get in touch with your power” etc. These people seem to have gone to the wrong personal development (read: brainwashing) classes.

Mark forgot to mention that science has also failed the alarmists. They are getting desperate with their failure to find any evidence to support their nonsense, as the earth stubbornly refuses to warm for them.

Sony has abandoned them reportedly:
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/climate-group-regrets-shock-film-tactic/

Thank you for your email concerning the video released by the 10:10 climate change campaign group. Sony has supported the 10:10 climate change campaign because we share its objective to reduce carbon emissions. However, we strongly condemn the “No Pressure” video which was conceived, produced and released by 10:10 entirely without the knowledge or involvement of Sony. The company considers the video to be ill-conceived and in extremely bad taste.
We also believe the video risks undermining the work of the many thousands of members of the public, schools and universities, local authorities and many businesses, of which Sony is one, who support the long-term aims of the 10:10 movement and who are actively working towards the reduction of carbon emissions.
As a result we have taken the decision to disassociate ourselves from 10:10 at this time.
In our press statement we will be posting tomorrow morning we reaffirm our ongoing commitment to the reduction of global carbon emissions as part of our ‘Road to Zero’ environmental plan.

Glad to see the first part of this video on Fox, as I did not have the guts to view it after reading the descriptions (I have something about eyeballs). As I have a mid-Atlantic sense of humour I was curious to see if there was any trace of Monty-Python or any other famous exemplars of British humour, especially after some commentators defended the video was being funny. Nope. Mind you, British humour has headed into the toilet in the past couple of decades, and political correctness drains much of the fun out of everything. The video is just very sad, and what many bloggers have said is so true – this is more likely to conjure up eco-terrorism than anything else. 10:10 deserves every ounce of condemnation that has been sent in its direction.

Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
October 4, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I think this video will hurt ‘global warming’ in poll numbers more than ClimateGate did.
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Yes, because it’s easier to follow. ClimateGate meant nothing to the people that weren’t paying attention to begin with. lol, you don’t need a program to follow the who’s who in this attention grabber!
Maybe someone should create a program for the newcomers to the climate debate. This video will surely entice many more to watch more closely. A list of who’s who in the climate debate.

“Get Gareth to man up and admit his error, and maybe you’ll get out of the troll bin. ”
Maybe you should have another look at that thread at HotTopic, I was the first and one of the most determined to argue against Gareth’s defense of the video.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/no-pressure-1010-on-the-button/

Apologize for my snipped remark….

Andrew W says:
October 4, 2010 at 8:45 pm
“Get Gareth to man up and admit his error, and maybe you’ll get out of the troll bin. ”
Maybe you should have another look at that thread at HotTopic, I was the first and one of the most determined to argue against Gareth’s defense of the video.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/no-pressure-1010-on-the-button/
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Andrew, I went, and I saw. In this instance, you were right. Well done. It isn’t always easy disagreeing with people one usually agrees with. And sometimes it is even harder to agree with people one usually disagrees with. Again, well done.

Wait a minute, what was that old chestnut about “No such thing as bad publicity…”
Seriously, being suspicious of everything has its advantages, such as – I think this is a prime tester to feel the mood of a global audience.
Engineers please stand up and chime in, don’t we check Range and Tolerances, before finalising a solution, 10:10 seem to be finalising a final solution.
Did not 10:10 find their EXTREME outer edge (Range), and now its just a sweet tweak to ensure they keep just inside Tolerances. At least until Children the world over beg their parents to kill the nasty climate change deniers, a term I despise and use here reluctantly.
And then its, Green shirted Gaia youth coming to a public hanging near you.
Its chilling, but some [SELF SNIP]tard will kill in the name of Gaia (as distinct from the lunatic green policies condemning developing countries to starvation and misery.)
They might even trace the trigger back to 10:10.
Sure its a PR ****-UP, but its also in circulation, its changed some minds, its created more tension, its ramped up the arguments. If I was a master of dissent and chaos, I’d be rolling around in a pile of carbon credits right now, very please with myself.
Because while the left hand is waving the 10:10 handkerchief, the right hand just palmed your watch.

Sorry for the additional [O/T]: But perhaps interesting.
http://gkurl.us/gp9
Heads are rolling over at the DoE.
Is it because of ‘failure to perform’ in spite of all the money shoveled in their direction?
Or is it a matter of clearing the way for even more ‘green minded’ people to take their places?
Time will tell.

I think they are champion smearers, they forgot how to debate with the other side long ago and ran out of ways to smear the other side, so they just kept on smearing and finally got to smearing their own waverers. What is it called when prisoners smear themselves with their own excrement?

That the Guardian and various true believers would attempt to portray the video as humor (or even more pathetically ‘British’ humor) is very weak. Not content with offending humanity, the warmists turn on the defenseless British, who may be quirky, but are steadfastly opposed to randomly detonating children.
All the video shows, as anyone who watches it can tell, is that hatred is all the warmists know.

The British media response to this scandal has largely followed the way they handled the climategate scandal.
It shows clearly how the new media is overtaking the old media in reporting breaking news and taking action where the old media is silent and unresponsive.
The real story is why the MSM have not really reacted to this scandal and who has been instrumental in sitting on the story. I have a feeling that groups like the NUJ/SEJ have been key players.

Painting with a broad brush is fun.
REPLY: You mean like this?

Benjamin P. 2010/09/09 at 9:25 am
Keep up the witch hunt!

I can’t believe that no one has mentioned that Megan looks fantastic…. 🙂
But I wish they had taken the opportunity to slam the scam of CAGW here.
One of the most aggravating things is that it is:
…… the warmers who have abandoned science,
…….who have falsified data to support their fantasy,
……..who have slandered and intimidated those who simply told the truth,
……..who have worked to wrongly destroy reputations and livlihoods,
……..who sought to silence dissent AND STILL LOST THE DEBATE,
so now they turn to defenseless children with their indoctrination. Deeply sick and disturbing.
As evil as anything society has seen before. We cannot underestimate the malevolence of this cult.

“John Q Public says:
October 4, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Intolerance, thy name is environmentalism.”
No. These people are violent totalitarian religious extremists, not environmentalists. Children are part of the environment. Destroyers of children are destroyers of the environment.

Benjamin P. says:
October 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Painting with a broad brush is fun.
“Co2 causes climate change.” Could you give the specifics on how that is done? Or will it just be a broad brush saying co2 causes climate.
“Global warming is damaging the planet.” Could you give the specifics on what is happening? Or will it just be a broad brush?
The Arctic is changing in ways never seen before. Could we have the specifics? Or will it just be a broad brush there too?

Those who engage in denouncing AGW non-believers seem to forget that there are many skeptics who live a largely “sustainable” lifestyle. People who minimize the use of energy, drive sub-compact cars, live in small homes in a city close to work, recycle, avoid flying and otherwise maintain a small energy footprint. Can we say the same for those who are advocates of AGW?

The presenter said: “What happens next is even more horrifying than what you just saw.” I think the bit Fox broadcast was the easily the worst of it, does anyone want to argue that the following two scenes are “even more horrifying”?
She said “what happens next…”. She does not refer to “the following two scenes”.
What is horrifying is the way murdering for the cause is presented as perfectly normal and without negative consequences or moral compunction. It is not the violence itself. Rather it is the moral sanction and the glorifying of violence for the cause that is so disturbing.
Fox showed the most “shocking” part — but “horrifying” speaks to something that “terrifies, causes dismay, is appalling, frightening”. It is the morality of environmentalists that frightens me. I’m not appalled by their Hollywood-style special effects.

This just blew up a few days ago… so to speak.

I got an email back from O2 stating that they didn’t sponsor 1010. I sent them a link back with a press release on it stating thea O2 was a sponsor of 1010 and asked for clarification.

My first thought was; is this not just more of the same? Apart from the stupidity in the choice of the storyline the message is and has been that people with a dissenting view are worthless, of no consequence, to be dismissed without consideration. But on reflection and if I may dare to suggest it, to be disposed of and society to be cleansed. Ughh.

Zeke,
Some parents deny public school from kids from religious / other grounds and the kids will end up discounnected from the society, with very poor skills. This is mostly aproblem with families with different cultural backgrounds – I have personal and professional experience of this issue.
How do you suggest the kids rights to a proper education and integration into the society are upheld? I agree that parents should get to decide but the kids have rights too and if the parents fail them, having the ability to chat with them and visit the place of tuition is a necessary failsafe system imho.

I am a very Important Official, & you must listen to me, I understand the issues that Mr Morano raises, but we feel he has behaved “irresponsibly” in his deliberate misinterpretation of the thread of the video in bringing the extremely dangerous issues of Climate Change to the fore!
Well that’s the sort of PC bovine faecal tosh that we’ll be fed over this most unpleasant piece if entertainment! We have had 13 years of a Socialist government telling us what our rights are, all fed through the sanitised portal of the EU. (& 20 years of PC garbage). The only time I have ever heard a member of that government ever use the word repsonisbility, is as used in the above paragraph! It’s the typical PC socialist put down to refer too an opponent as “irresponsible” of course! My views have been expresses elsewhere on this blog. I have no excuse for it. I used to love British humour, it was always on the risky/saucey side, slightly lavatorial if you will, but this is not British Humour at all, is British sickness, a disease that’s engulfed the entire country. The UK is a provincial state in the PDREU/UESR, where they give millions in grants to Greenpeace & WWF to lobby, err…….well the EU & British Government (provincial council), to make environmental laws based on alleged independent reports by these organisations, so that they can claim that their hands are tied, they don’t want to pass these laws, but they have to so hard cheese! Do you think the USA/Canada/Australia et al are so immune? I don’t think so.
BTW I’m not a golfist & don’t own a set of golfist bats, so apologies for the UESR winning at that peculiar past-time! I also apologise that we played under that ghastly blue banner. The circle is almost complete. I wonder when the Thin Red Line will be called upon yet again to make a stand, holding out long enough to buy time & then turn to our colonial cousins across the water to help us out?

The Guardian (a 10:10 “media partner”) has an article here describing the film as “intended as a tongue-in-cheek spoof of hectoring greens”. Er, yes, so we’re supposed to believe, are we, that they went to all this trouble – money, people, time, etc. – just to make fun themselves? Somehow I don’t think so – the excuses are getting increasingly absurd.

Barry Woods (12:04am), your quote bears repeating and I’ve bookmarked it

GREENPEACE – Gene (Director Comms)
“We need to hit them where it hurts most, by any means necessary: through the power of our votes, our taxes, our wallets, and more.”
“‘We must break the law to make the laws we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw being climate activists. It’s not working. We need an army of climate outlaws.’
“The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.
“If you’re one of those who believe that this is not just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
“If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
“And we be many, but you be few.”

I feel this too bears repeating:
FREE THE DEBATE
Here are the main science issues for debate and reexamination (IMHO):
* The inflation of warming due to a whole basketful of factors like UHI, corrupting the data and insufficiently or improperly accounted-for.
* The artificial depression of past temperature records due to the very nature of the calibration of proxies, that cannot help but mine for hockey sticks.
*The artificial depression of past CO2 levels due to a whole basketful of factors including the reasons for CO2’s partial escape from ice cores before measurement.
* The city-dwellers’ failure to comprehend the vast mass of the oceans, compared with the tiny mass of the atmosphere, and the oceans’ capacity, following Henry’s Law, to outgas CO2 far in excess of all our emissions, at the tiniest global temperature increase.
* Reluctance to look at what is staring everyone in the face: the Sun and astrophysics: because the measured solar effects, still very inadequately understood, are not large enough to cause the measured temperature changes – although there is correlation.
* The unstated, unrecognized abandonment of Scientific Method, and adoption of models rather than data, again for a whole basketful of reasons.
And here are the ethical issues (h/t Layne Blanchard):
…… the activists who have abandoned science,
…….who have falsified data to support their fantasy,
……..who have slandered and intimidated those who simply told the truth,
……..who have worked to wrongly destroy reputations and livelihoods,
……..who sought to silence dissent AND STILL LOST THE DEBATE,
so now they turn to defenseless children with their indoctrination.

charles nelson says:
October 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm
I’m just waiting for the parodies to appear, you know where the ‘exploded’ declare themselves: gay, christian, muslim, jewish etc.
Massive own goal…at a critical moment of the game…excellent!
The parodies have already started. JoAnne Nova has a topic at http://joannenova.com.au/2010/10/the-parodies-of-the-1010-eco-attack-dogs-begin/#more-10700

Benjamin P. says:
October 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm
‘Painting with a broad brush is fun.’
Of course it is – that way you never have to provide adequate scientific evidence or (dare I say it) data that shows how you’ve manipulated the real observations. And this broad brush, can we remind you, is covered in blood, brains and intestines.

I only wish other media were paying attention. While I do watch and surf Fox, I also do the same for CNN, MSNBC (probably their only viewer), ABC, CBS and BBC.
No a word from any others – maybe it’s good, in that 10-10 won’t get as much publicity.

I had to reply to Mr Broadbrush first but wanted to add that the impact of so many people expressing their disgust at No Pressure, both on blogs across the world and by letters written directly to the sponsors, is reasonable evidence that we can all have a small part to play in defeating the anti-life and anti-liberty evil ideology that these activists are promoting. The sponsors will hardly have picked up on this film by scanning their newspapers, since there has been almost no coverage to speak of (at least here in the UK). I wearily wrote my emails to them, not even expecting any sort of response or, if I was to get one, just the usual corporate newspeak stuff. BUT IT WORKED – because so many of us did it. From little acorns etc..

Where’s the outrage at NBC/General Electric/Winds-R-Us? It’s possible I missed their national coverage of this, of course.

Mike McMillan says:
October 4, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Thanks Mike – looks like the sponsor list is pretty thin (probably has been scrubbed – Sony is no longer there). Mostly British groups (hey look, “The Guardian” – would would have thought? heh…) O2 appears to be a proud sponsor – I’ll make sure to avoid them in the future.
If other big name sponsors are found, please let us all know by posting their names and contact info here. Thanks!

I liked how Morano several times turned the discussion toward the topic that there is an “intellectual” theme in the whole environmental movement to silence skeptics with intimidation.
That needs to be emphasized. It is not just the 10:10 ideological environmentalists doing it. It is generic to the broad ideological environmental movement.
On a different aspect of ideological environmentalism, I recommend we focus toward contrasting the essential nature /concepts /values of ideological environmentalism versus the dominate trends of modern Western society.
I think if that contrast is brought into the open-light-of-day then there will be much more shocked reaction to it than that caused by the “No Pressure” video itself.
The ability to clearly focus on that contrast with high levels of energy by many independent thinkers . . . . that is the precious gift we received from 10:10. We thank you 10:10!!
John

Fox are putting a Fox spin on it.
The film doesn’t just reflect poorly on the environmental movement, it, together with the poor response from the makers is making us Brits generally look like a bunch of silly tw@ts. Pardon the language.

Sigh. Let me add a bit more than a soundbyte. This is how many stories now about 10:10? They made a ridiculous video, I would never try to defend it, and they should be ashamed. But goodgreif people! Reading the comments here so many of you are just saying every single person who believes in AWG is of the same caliber.
How many more stories about 10:10 on this “best science blog” will we see?
Cue predictable responses in 3…2…1…

Benjamin, the trouble is that we’ve known that they wanted to keep skeptic voices silent for some time. Moderation of undesired opinions on pro-warmist sites is rife, as you well know. Evidence of professional silencing was uncovered in Climategate. The propaganda has been steadily cranked up over recent years as the warmists have become ever more shrill with their message. Greenpeace, WWF, ACT (image of child with noose around neck) and many more.
The 10:10 video has finally woken the general public up to this.
It’s not so much that this one video is so repulsive (although it most certainly isn’t nice), it’s when you add it all together that you get a massive outburst when they finally go too far.

This isn’t just some one-off video from a fringe group, Benjamin P. This group purports to be mainstream; they get UK taxpayer money , and HAD corporate sponsors. Further they had some famous and semi-famous talent involved in the project.
There were simply too many people of too many walks of life involved in the making of this to claim “Oh this isn’t what we believe!”
I’m just not buying it.

Benjamin P;
Were this video produced in isolation, you would be quite correct that it has garnered more coverage than it deserves. But is was not. This video is the culmination of a 20 year process of increasingly agressive tactics used by elements within the environmentalist movement to entrench their point of view without the need for scientific fact, reason, or logic. As such, it is a reminder of the lessons of history which bear eery similarity to atrocities of the past and foretell the future of the environmentalist movement should it be completely hijacked by its extremist elements and should the rest of us fail to divert them from the path history tells us they are on. Consider the evolvement of the debate over the years:
1. Ostracism of scientists with contrary views.
2. Abuse of the peer review process to suppress contrary science and funding of scientists with contrary views.
3. Manipulation of the peer review process to allow flawed science to be published as credible.
4. Bold statements declaring the science to be settled, an outright dismissal of any contrary evidence and a blatant attempt to quash any further debate or even the perception of the need for debate.
5. Labeling of those with skeptical views “denialists” in an attempt to not only discredit the evidence they present, but to associate them with an evil cadre of intensely bigoted fringe elements who deny the murder of millions in the Holocaust.
6. Calls by various people in the environmental movement to make skeptical views a criminal offence, studies suggesting skeptics are predisposed to disbelieve based on defects in their intelligence, upbringing, or genetic disposition. Calls for the captains of industry to be subjected to Nuremerg style trials for crimes against humanity.
7. The advancement of the “Precautionary Priniciple”, a philisophical argument predicated on the notion that the potential outcome is so disastrous that strong steps toward mitigation must be enacted despite any doubts raised regarding the science, and with no regard to the damage that the mitigation steps themselves would cause.
8. The Greenpeace editorial (later withdrawn) making veiled threats of violence toward skeptics and business leaders accompanied by not so veiled suggestions that “we know where you work, we know where you live”.
9. The 10:10 video (also now withdrawn) which on a pretense of humour and satire, depicts the murder of skeptics as nonchalantly as one exterminates vermin. By their own admission, they think the notion humurous, and cannot really understand the outcry they have caused.
As I said at the beginning, the 10:10 video in isolation is vile, in the historical context above it is the culmination of a process, which, if not derailed, ends in something horrific. That the envrinomentalists of 10:10 could not see the horror of their own creation is a consequence of the world in which they have immersed themselves. A world in which the critical science was suppressed, then dismissed, then associated with fringe elements of society regarded in general as evil, then painted as criminal, followed by veiled threats and finaly, overt threats.
The abandonment of fact and reason in this progression is readily apparent, the parallels in history striking, and the next steps frightening. There is no amount of coverage of this video that is too much, and the demand that they back down and return to a frank and honest scientific discussion is a moral obligation for the rest of us to make of them, for their good as well as our own.

The problem for companies that sponsor this sort of environmental nonsense is that these groups are practising a religion and not thinking about the consequences for their sponsors.
There are corporate risks to becoming known as one of the sponsors of an environmentalist movie that depicts the killing of children, and I imagine that a chill wind is blowing in the corporate halls of those sponsors.
I would say keep reminding people that Sony, O2, Kyocera and possibly even the UK government were involved in sponsoring this disgusting piece.

Zeke the Sneak :
October 5, 2010 at 9:34 am
But, but, but,
Your list does not address the problem of ingrown communities in a collision course with the rest of the society that want to educate their children their own way, be they Christian Scientists or some cults or Islamic fundamentalists or ….
How can one have a multicultural society without a minimum of respect of law and custom and a minimum of common values?
In previous centuries it was the solution by the sword. Now we are sweeping it under the carpet until it raises its head in some extreme manifestation. Is bad housekeeping the solution of a multicultural society?
I believe it is correct to identify the education of the young for introducing tolerance and excluding intolerance. How one implements this is another question.

It appears, aside from some of the other awful ad campaigns by activist groups, this kind of thing is not new or unique among ‘mainstream’ entities.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/06/11/abc-tells-kids-save-the-planet-or-die/
The makers were actually pleased when the ‘game’ received more widespread attention, and like the 10:10 group hoped to ‘have a laugh along the way”:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_euZTHfClixIvXcBOGKbhTJ;jsessionid=51283CB2A70AA0D5ABF450B9567D1D90
The site appears to be dead now, though at least one school district continues to list it on their web page as a learning tool. It looks like another case where public exposure put the lid on an offensive attempt to bring children onside the AGW hysteria by scaring them silly.

What I’d like to know is which city would benefit the most from Mr Morano as Mayor? Or heck state as senator?
New York City, Detroit, Los Angeles or the state of California?
It’s funny to me he seem to fit best in NYC but I think the most beneficial financially speaking would be to Detroit, Los Angeles (or California as a whole).
It’s always nice to have lots and lots of time on hand so one really can wonder about the greater issues in life . . . like troll bins for instance, have I ever visited such a interesting mysterious dark and shadowy, nooks and crannies laden, bin? If so, what was it like I wonder? o_O

Zeke the Sneak:
October 5, 2010 at 11:14 am
This is off topic but not irrelevant to this video, in the sense that it was aimed at children and those particular parents would consider it quite appropriate for their children, evidently from their response to the reaction of the “consensus” of those who viewed it.
In traditional societies the clan/extended family/village had the role of overlooking the raising of children. Children were not at the mercy of their immediate parents without an eye from the extended society.
In our fractured world, where the nuclear family has become the standard and grandparents and clan are a distant concept, the role of overseer has been taken by the government, and when it fails, it can fail spectacularly, as that case of the girl whose father had incarcerated her and had children with her.
The government and its agencies have taken the responsibilities of protecting children from abuse from parents, and for making sure their rights are respected. Part of those rights is their education, that the children have a right to be educated to the standard and level of the rest of their peers in the society they will exist as adults.
Children have rights, not only parents, so there should be rules governing home schooling that should be respected by all. One can discuss the content of the rules, but , in my opinion, the rules are a one way street if we do not want to find abused children, either as child labor or worse.

Interesting that some Brits are upset because this stroke was pulled by a bunch of half-witted fellow countrymen, with a nice, half-witted teacher from up north playing the lead role. There is definitely a difference between how a yank would view this and how a Brit would, no question about it. But it does give me a really warm feeling that these eco thugs have let slip their guard and revealed the true monster that lurks behind the AGW b+ll+cks.

DirkH says:
October 5, 2010 at 3:06 pm
You think they still have money?

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DirkH,
OK, you got a point, I am going to insist the pay me a year’s salary in advance. : )
John

Zeke [the Sneak] & anna,
I enjoyed your exchange.
Your topic of discussion is important. The relation of individuals (& families) to society.
I must wait though for another time to join in.
John

‘I hate to admit that I was wrong to think that there was no one (other than those who made it) who actually thought this video was a good thing. Take a look at this post at: http://www.greenchipstocks.com/articles/3-offensive-images-of-climate-change/1122
G.

Zeke the Sneak says:
October 6, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Checks and balances are not black and white. If wise people devise them they can be extremely useful.
Example: parental authority rules unless the court decides the parents unfit.
I know that in the US you have the Amish, and the Mormons and who knows who else who benefit from the lessez faire attitude of the states to a lot of societal general customs. ( still polygamy is outlawed though). Also you have the “melting pot” mentality where cultures are assimilated and third generation people become mainstream. Up to now this has worked. I do know what will happen when your latin american population reaches large numbers, though.
It is not the tradition in fossilized Europe which is faced, England first because of the sins of the Imperial past, with a large influx of new cultural input. Have you been to the London underground? The majority are of different than english culture. A modus vivendi has to be found and a law and order procedure that will respect equal rights and non racial discrimination for all. This means the original populations will have to compromise to a change of their customs to allow for a smooth transit to the multicultural society: smooth means no social unrest and not nurturing terrorism.
Schools and schooling are an important part of this tradition, and home schooling’s check and balances have to be finely tuned so as to progress towards a tolerant society from all directions.
In Greece, where we are used to the imperative of the public/state school attendance for children nobody thinks it a hardship not to be allowed to educate the children at home uniquely. They can always do it after school hours and days.

But Zeke, the true comparison would be by finding a sample of public school children where the parents had the same education and income as the home schooled children.
Of course dedicated and caring parents will have a great effect possibly with minimum expenditure.
The objective of “wasting”money on teachers for the hoi polloi is in order to bring up the educational level of as many people in society as possible. Feudal systems worked on the elitist principle, usually with the moral support of religion. Knowledge was not to be distributed to the masses.
This is not the objective of modern societies, at least as far as I know.