The Trump administration has issued a stop-work order to U.S. government scientists, effectively excising them from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) next major report, due in 2029. The decision pulls American expertise and funding from a process that’s long leaned on both to prop up its dire pronouncements. For those who’ve watched the IPCC churn out one overheated forecast after another, there’s a certain satisfaction in seeing the climate establishment forced to limp along without its biggest benefactor.
The directive halts federal scientists’ contributions to the IPCC’s seventh assessment report, a multi-volume undertaking that typically mobilizes thousands of researchers across years to paint a picture of imminent catastrophe. NASA’s chief scientist, Kate Calvin, was tapped to co-chair an international meeting in Hangzhou, China, next week, where the report’s scope was to be hammered out. That’s off the table now, and the meeting itself hangs in limbo—organizers must be wondering how to proceed without one of their star players.
“Dr. Calvin will not be traveling to this meeting,” a NASA spokesperson said. NASA denied CNN’s request for an interview with Calvin.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/21/climate/trump-blocks-scientists-ipcc
An unnamed scientist involved in the effort told CNN they’re unsure what this means for the planned work. One imagines the uncertainty stings a bit more when your whole career’s been hitched to the IPCC wagon.
The person involved in the report told CNN they were “not sure what this means for the planned work going forward, or if US scientists will participate in the writing of the IPCC reports.”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/21/climate/trump-blocks-scientists-ipcc
The U.S. has historically been a pillar of the IPCC’s operations, supplying not just talent but a hefty chunk of the budget needed to keep its machinery humming. These reports—laden with warnings of soaring temperatures, melting ice caps, and “deadly, costly consequences”—have been the bedrock of global climate policy, from the Paris Agreement (promptly abandoned by Trump on day one of his term) to endless rounds of UN summits. The IPCC’s clout depends on its ability to project authority, and American involvement has lent it a sheen of credibility. Without that, the 2029 report risks looking like a thinner, less convincing shadow of its predecessors. Climate advocate Harjeet Singh insists the IPCC remains “unbiased” and “evidence-based,” decrying the loss of U.S. collaboration. Skeptics, meanwhile, might note that an outfit prone to amplifying computer-modeled nightmares over real-world data could use a breather—or at least a reality check.
“The IPCC is the backbone of global climate science, providing the world with unbiased, evidence-based insights needed to confront the climate crisis,” said Harjeet Singh, a climate advocate and founding director of Satat Sampada Climate Foundation.
“The decision to exclude US scientists significantly undermines this collaborative effort and risks compromising the process at a time when robust climate action is needed more than ever,” he told CNN in a statement.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/21/climate/trump-blocks-scientists-ipcc
This isn’t Trump’s first rodeo with the climate crowd. His exit from the Paris Agreement in 2017 (and again in 2025) set the tone, and this latest move doubles down on that skepticism. The timing adds a layer of irony: just as the IPCC was gearing up for its Hangzhou confab, the administration yanked the plug, leaving Calvin sidelined and the process scrambling. It’s a dry kind of poetic justice for those who’ve long questioned the IPCC’s track record—think hockey-stick graphs that wobble under scrutiny, Himalayan glaciers that refuse to vanish on cue, or tipping points that keep tipping past their deadlines. The group’s not dead, of course; it’ll soldier on with whatever it can muster from Europe, China, and the usual suspects. But without Uncle Sam’s stamp of approval and deep pockets, the final product might carry less sway—and that’s a prospect worth savoring.
For the IPCC, the road ahead just got bumpier. The Hangzhou meeting, if it happens, will lack a key voice, and the years-long grind to 2029 will test how well the organization can function on a leaner diet. Trump’s decision doesn’t dismantle the climate machine outright, but it does strip away some of its horsepower. Those who’ve spent decades poking holes in the IPCC’s narrative can sit back and watch the fallout with a quiet grin. The alarmists will howl about “denial” and “sabotage,” no doubt, but the Oval Office isn’t losing sleep over it. Neither, frankly, are we.
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Michael, oh Michael, whatever will Michael do?
Sue 47. Everybody else is, so why not?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/21/wisconsin-gov-tony-evers-supports-bill-replacing-mother-inseminated-person/
“International research that informs climate adaptation interventions with Prof. Michael Mann “
Well, that’s certainly good to know. Does that mean taking a serviceable umbrella if it looks like rain, or is that just weather?
Michael is not a Government scientist. He’ll just have to find his money elsewhere.
Penn State research grants dont come out of ‘overheated air’ …National Science foundation soon will find its new Chair is VP JD Vance
https://web.sas.upenn.edu/mannresearchgroup/currently-funded-projects/
Penn State is not upenn. A Nittany Lion is not a Quaker.
The policies Trump is pursuing can bring on a recession in the US.
Things that reduce the flow of money lead to recessions. Things like deporting immigrants, raising tariffs and cutting the size of the federal government all will lead to reduced spending.
Hopefully for the US he will change his mind quickly.
Economies can collapse quickly, but are slow to recover.
Silly broken windows economics.
US Federal Reserve economics. They don’t like big crashes like was hinted to on Friday.
They would rather have a much smaller controlled recession..
Mr. xq: You think that, just because the Fed would “rather have” a certain result, it can actually produce it’s preferred result? What if the Fed employs policy that makes the recession worse, or (as history shows) prolongs it? Your faith in the central control arm is misspent.
A follower of Saint Maynard Keynes? Patron saint of deficit spending?
Trumps budget will increase the projected deficit over 10 years by some $ trillions
If and only if one has the fantasy that raising tax rates raises revenue by the same percentage. That model was demonstrated to be false during the John Kennedy administration, but hacks and Democrats still adhere to it.
Laffer Curve applies. The point is reached where more tax = reduced revenue.
Trump’s budget???
Trump must submit a budget to Congress for the Executive Branch of the government. The President must make projections of spending for programs but that is not the final say.
Congress is the branch of government that actually determines spending on all the government programs. They pass the funding bill and send it to the President for signature. Of course the Presdent can veto it, but that is doubtful.
OMB is the president’s budget arm. So yes the budget to come is Trump’s. The loyalists will pass it without a mumur under reconciliation
According to the Constitution only Congress can write a budget and raise taxes. (Same with the UK Parliament).
It dates back to the provisions in Magna Carta 1215 removing the King’s unilateral right to tax without consent.
Deficit or National Debt?
What new number is “some”?
scvblwxq,
If you are objecting to an improvement in intellectual skill and honesty, with less obvious corruption and less monetary misuse, why not mount a direct argument against that topic and drop diversions like monetary inflation? Geoff S
There will also be benefits from lower crime, drug and sex trafficking, and less expenditures on illegals, in addition to some easing of inflationary pressures.
Most of the immigrants from Latin America are fleeing high crime and drug trafficking in their own drug cartel run countries financed by US drug spending.
False. They are seeking American welfare money and work in the black economy.
Sounds like scvblwxq is a believer in the myth that government spending boosts the economy.
Did you not get a DJ Trump signed cheque in his first term ?
Its was a massive government extra spending pickup during that 2020 recession.
$2 trillion spending that year in legislation signed by Trump
” $300 billion in one-time cash payments” to individuals
Why are you lying so blatantly, Obama and Biden produced massive budgets deficits too, because a lot of it is built in due to oversized government with too many people and in control of too many parts of society, they have no business being in control over.
In his first term, due to entrenched RINOs, he had to spend spend spend, in order to get his priorities. Just to get the border wall he had to fight the Democrats, the courts, and the RINOs.
COVID, a US government China collaboration, by design or fact had the effect of stopping all his economic policy that was just starting to fire on all cylinders. China was dragged, against their will back to the table. Bilateral and trilateral trade agreements were killing one world globalism. Then COVID, and yes that was cause to massive deficit spending. They wanted to shut the economy for far longer then they did.
Just correcting your amnesia about 2020. Obama and Biden weren’t president in that year
Just correcting your stupidity since I never contested YOUR claims about Trumps spending was only pointing that other Presidents were in the same sinking boat meanwhile you apparently forgot those “stimulus” checks Biden sent out that was all FIAT money.
You obviously suffer from TDS. The spending was DETERMINED and passed in the Congress, and then signed by Trump. Trump is no more responsible than each and every member of Congress.
The point is that if the government wasn’t already spending like a drunken sailor, a one time expense can better be absorbed. And, let’s not forget that the tax changes Trump pushed through in his 1st two years in his first term resulted in an increase in the revenue of the government.
Never heard of presidential veto have you.
The point is that government spending does boost the economy
Without government spending there usually isn’t much of an economy.
Singapore has one of the lowest proportions of Government spending to GDP but a very vibrant economy.
Mr. xq: What came first? People traded goods before government existed. The phrase should be, “without an economy there is no government whatsoever.” Your fundamentals need work.
I brought up economics because of the stock market crash on Friday coupled with the large drop in consumer sentiment, 2 recession signs, not because of other causes.
Hardly a crash. Not even, really, a correction.
Trump is eliminating costly activities that are unnecessary, therefore make the economy more efficient.
Those “scientists” wondering what the future holds, should find a job in the private sector, and stop sucking from the government tit. That will deduce government spending.
Note that useless trips to faraway places in five-star hotels pontificating about climate, have been canceled. Big savings
Why in hell is the EPA involved in climate science?
It should only deal with air, water and soil pollution
All the rest should be zero-ed out!
But CO2 is pollution – they said so. So they have to be involved in saving the world from the evil molecule.
Trump should issue an executive order to declare CO2 a blessing for increased growth of the world’s flora and fauna, and to increase crop yields to feed the world’s hungry people.
That would be incentive for scientists to produce articles in favor of CO2, which would counter the IPCC propaganda, based on “we own the science”
Look at Germany to find reasons for recession, third year in a row.
Wind, solar and resulting increasing energycosts, overregulation, social costs for more and more immigrants, increasing taxes, CO2/net zero policies etc.
And of course spending millions to Ukraine.
If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine then where? Poland, Romania or Germany?
How about Calais?
Maybe Canada?
Or Greenland?
Or maybe let Russia and China duke it out over both those resort destinations?
The plan is to stop him IN Ukraine. Not at Ukraine.
Then why isnt Nato troops inside Ukraine doing much of the fighting, if that argument is real.
It isnt of course.
Even now Poland has said NO to its own troops in Ukraine for peace keeping , yet 3 years back it was ‘Warsaw is next’.
Germany has said no as well. Could only because Ukraine was part of USSR and Putin wants it back. Not Poland and germany
He only wanted the Russian dominate parts back and NATO to stop encroaching and lying. The entire war was completely avoidable.
That isn’t true.
First, there was nothing to want ‘back’ since Russia had never owned any of the Ukraine. This was a straightforward seizure of new territory from an independent country..
Second, the aim was not and is not to gain the Russian speaking parts of the Ukraine. The aim was and is to abolish Ukraine as an independent country and make it into just another Russian region.
The last time Russia, in the form of the former Soviet Union, controlled Ukraine it used its control mainly for mass murder. During the Holodomor of the early 1930s millions of Ukrainians were directly murdered or starved to death due to seizure of food and crops. Estimates of the toll vary, the lowest being about 2.5 million, the highest 9 million.
At the same time, or a little later, Russia embarked on the Stalin purges, which accounted for a further 10-20 million and covered the far north with concentration camps.
Yes, Ukraine could have avoided war. There was one way, and only one way to do that. That would have been to surrender and become part of the same country that had that record.
What would you have done in the Ukraine’s place? The Russian recent record in the East and in the Middle East shows they have not changed a bit. They have never, unlike the Germans, come to any sort of accounting of their even greater genocidal past. Would you have invited in the secret police, the gulags, the mass murders again? Did you not have enough of it the first time around?
There is a reason why all the Russian satellites got out from under as soon as they could. And a very good reason why the Ukraine is fighting, and why Poland is arming itself to the teeth.
Ukraine is not part of NATO so there is no treaty to allow European nations to send troops.
Poland, Germany or any other nation sending troops would effectively be the start of WWIII.
Once a ceasefire is in place, UN peacekeepers will be allowed into Ukraine.
Non-European Peacekeepers under the command of the UN.
There will be a large demilitarized zone between the peacekeepers and Russians, with round the clock drones, to detect infiltrations and instant death to any western special forces.
The Budapest Memorandum certainly does allow European nations and the US to send troops, it does not require them to however.
And it is the latter that ultimately led to the problems today. The Ukrainian PM of the time was clearly a lackey of Russia and should never have agreed to give up the Nucs without a 100% iron clad ‘security guarantee’ (mutual protection guarantee or the like).
Though there is a great deal of what ‘could have, should have’ happened that can be unwrapped here…suffice it to say I don’t think the West shined in any way in regards to support of Ukraine vs Russia as they refused to ‘make it hurt’…a bit of money & arms to allow someone else to fight & die is a bare minimum, complete & utter economic lock down would have caused World-Wide pain but it would have stopped Russia from invading the Crimea (yes this goes all the way back to that incident & Obama’s incredibly weak response) & we wouldn’t be where we are today…
“or any other nation sending troops would effectively be the start of WWIII.”
So if a country sends troops to help with Ukraine’s defense it is WWIII? But not if North Korea sends troops to help Russia’s invasion?
Ukraine is a patchwork of pieces of land, in large part put together after 1900, mostly by Stalin, with people who speak different languages and have different cultures
The Russian Empire called Ukraine the Outlands, or Borderlands.
The Tsar added his own land Novo Russia to Ukraine, in the east, to bulk it up.
Katherine the Great obtained the Black Sea northern shores from Georgia to Rumania, including Crimea, and founded Odessa, after defeating the Ottoman Empire.
It appears you don’t realize the Ukraine/Russia is a PROXY styled war, and you still don’t understand why Russia invaded Ukraine.
That same argument in 1960s led to 55,000 american dead in Vietnam- supposedly to ‘stop the communists’
They won and what happened ?
Odd, isn’t it? LBJ sent Americans overseas to fight communism at the same tie he and his rubber-stamp ‘progressives’ in Congress were implementing it here at home. Also worth noting that student deferments from the draft all but guaranteed that the Left would eventually own academia.
Another wave fantasy.
Since 1940, the Soviet Union has liberated itself from the Germans and then liberated East Europe from the Germans.
It fought and overcame 65% of German strength, incurred 22 million dead people, plus more millions seriously wounded.
HA HA HA, the anti Russia delusions go on and on since there has been ZERO evidence that Putin wants to attack other countries.
Stop swallowing the media bullcrap!
That reasoning is as scrambled as the spelling of your “handle”. Wasting limited capital resources on low energy density mineral intensive wind and solar, driven by the CO2 is the climate control knob lie, is net negative for the international economy. N2N, Natural Gas to Nuclear with SMR leading the way.
Expenditure can create wealth or it can destroy wealth. It really depends on how wise the expenditure is.
Thats not in any economics text book., expenditure destroying wealth ??
Did that $2 trillion 2020 emergency government expenditure signed off by Trump create or destroy wealth. All deficit spending
Yawn, you forget that Biden did the same dam thing THREE times, your TDS is obvious making you foolish.
Your memory is built on Swiss cheese.
Oh dear what will taxpayers do with the money not sent to Washington? SPEND IT THEMSELVES
Oh dear what will the fired bureaucrats do? GET HONEST JOBS
Oh dear what will the fired “scientists” do? ASK ME IF I CARE
“Oh dear what will the fired bureaucrats do? GET HONEST JOBS” Who will hire them after looking at their CV?
Q: “Who will hire them after looking at their CV?”
A: Telemarketing firms.
? Learn to Landscape?
After all, that profession is safe from AI for now.
Not my problem, as long as my taxes don’t pay for it.
Probationary hire with the forest service or one of the other several and often redundantly overlapping federal land, fish, and animal agencies? Call up Boise Cascade, Weyerhaeuser, and the other private forest products companies to apply for a job.
Government spending is the bane of the working men and women of our country. The fake, fraudulent and misleading economic data that came out of the Biden administration for the past four years demonstrates the failure of big government, Keynesian and Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). Government bureaucrats never evaluate their policies for effectiveness, hence return on investment (ROI), nor assume or accept responsibility for failure. Bidenomics and the career politician buffoon, Joseph Biden learned nothing in his 50+ years in his career.
The Dow Jones 30 just lost 748 points on Friday and the University of Michigan consumer sentiment index fell to its lowest level in a year. http://www.sca.isr.umich.edu/
Funny Europe use to have an GDP close to the US, the green policies are such a roaring success it now about have on have the size of the US. The policies you support means now the debt service exceeds national defense. No country has survived that. My best guess is you want the US to fail!
Trumps new budget being formed now in the House will create $3 trillion MORE deficit over 10 years.
Hes just moving it around.
Another misleading dishonest claim because this time if they can follow through the cuts and reduction of large section of government labor force there will be no new deficit spending at all.
There’s news for you. That’s WITH the spending cuts
You people lost. Nobody cares about you people anymore. You modern woke mind virus people will be a queer anomaly in the history books. No more lies, no more half truths, no more virtue signaling. Y’all about to be slammed, and we will be laughing the whole way to the oblivion fate you people created for yourselves.
Trump was 1.5% ahead of Harris in the vote. The next House election are in 2 years and the Trumpanzees are only 3 or 4 seats ahead.
You do the math. Or as they said in the bible Sow the wind ,reap the whirlwind
Wishful thinking on your part
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bgUQwYX6ils
Harris is just plain dumb.
Totally incapable of seeing the truth and facts. HAHAHAHA. You people did this.
Deficit or National Debt? They are different.
Current deficit is 1.8 trill. In 10 years it will be 3 trill under the leaked Trump plan
You seem to think there were no deficits before Trump as you keep singling Trump for deficit spending, could it be because he has a letter R next to his name.
Let’s a short walk down memory lane on past president’s deficit spending history:
LINK
The deficit went up much faster under Obama than it did under Trump by a 58% to 33% rate.
The TDS is making you look bad.
Duker has the sads from Trump 😢
I support nukes not wind or solar.
A 1.7% drop. OMG, the sky is falling! It’s still up YTD 🙂
Stock market crashes destroy the confidence that the high stock market prices are based on.
It wasn’t a crash.
“University of Michigan consumer sentiment index fell to its lowest level in a year.”
And I should care because . . , ?
Consumer spending keeps the economy going. Duh
“Consumer spending keeps the economy going.”
Well, instead of “University of Michigan consumer sentiment index. . .” or some other quite meaningless piece of “research”, you might try finding something actually relevant to “consumer spending” (another meaningless utterance).
Does money spent by Governments on behalf of consumers count as consumer spending? What about money borrowed by Governments and spent on behalf of consumers – giving it to foreign countries, say?
No wonder you believe that adding CO2 to air makes it hotter! You are a gullible soul, aren’t you?
Buy the dip.
How much of a dip is there going to be?
I hope you aren’t an American citizen, good grief.
Investors don’t like chaos, they will sell stocks and switch to bonds at the hint of it.
Ok Oracle.
We want the IPCC to collapse. The faster the better.
You left out things like not renewing the GOP tax cuts that spanned the “great” Biden years and are due to expire at the end of 2025.
“Economies can collapse quickly, but are slow to recover.”
You need to tell the UK and the EU that !!
There is no reduction in the flow of money as the Executive must spend what Congress sends. What is reduced is the flow of expensive nonsense. Our super computers can stop churning out IPCC modeling. Our scientists can start studying real questions. Woohoo.
Economies only grow when they create more wealth than they consume. Government spending only consumes wealth. Wealth is created when the product of one’s labor exceeds the cost of producing it. A government that destroys the incentive to produce wealth will always fail.
If it happens, maybe its the collapse they need to have (not).
https://theconversation.com/cabinet-papers-1990-91-lessons-from-the-recession-we-didnt-have-to-have-52153
Bill
Good to know you’re in favour of human trafficking and exploitation of illegal immigrants.
Trump’s policies will not be the cause of a recession. They may initiate the necessary correction of the artificial imbalance caused by the proponents of Modern Monetary Theory. Yes, there will be pain, but the whole edifice must correct or collapse like a poorly designed dam in a flood. The fraud cannot be maintained. What you suggest is again to simply kick the can down the road so that we, here and now, are spared the inconvenience.
“Hopefully for the US he will change his mind quickly.”
Hopefully not. Hopefully the disastrous Bidenomics lesson has been learned.
Increased Government spending backed by money printing = inflation.
Spending backed by debt/taxes = reduced economic activity.
Influx of low pay immigrants = reduction in labour productivity, downward pressure on all wages, reduction in GDP per capita, increase in housing prices, more spending on health, education and welfare on the immigrants who either pay no tax or make little contribution to tax receipts and funding of Government spending on them = impoverishment of all members of society.
Apart from the above, you are quite right.
“ the IPCC is…providing the world with unbiased, evidence-based insights needed to confront the climate crisis,” Hunh!? That’s not even close to reality! The IPCC is in the next galaxy from the truth; a ‘Lost in Space’ episode with their oxygen (money) beginning to run low!
All this winning is getting soooo exhausting; I need a power nap! And more popcorn!!
The Earth is in a 2.5 million ice age that will end when all natural ice melts with around 10 to 20 times as many people dying from cold-related causes than from heat-related causes.
The IPCC doesn’t mention that about 4.5 million people die from cool or cold weather compared to about 500,000 that die from warm or hot weather according to this study.
‘Global, regional and national burden of mortality associated with non-optimal ambient temperatures from 2000 to 2019: a three-stage modelling study’
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext
This study from 2015 says that cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather and that moderately warm or cool weather kills far more people than extreme weather. ‘Mortality risk attributable to high and low ambient temperature: a multi-country observational study’ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext
“The Earth is in a 2.5 million ice age that will end when all natural ice melts . . .”
No “crisis” at all, then.
Let me know when all the ice on Antarctica has melted. Duh!
I have some sympathy for these people.
It’s like when you’re all lathered up in a nice hot shower, then suddenly the water goes ice cold.
I defy anyone to deny that they blurted out (in a Billy Bob Thornton voice) –
“What the f#<k! Ya gotta be sh1ttin’ me! Why me, why now!”
Yeah, the climate gravy train is slowing to a halt, at least for a while.
I know a lot of people on it and they mostly seem to be taking it well. I’m not sure if anger will come later, but my impression is that many have a sanguine attitude that it was good when the getting was good. Perhaps this is because they experienced something similar in Trump’s first term.
Or they assume that none of the directives will stand, after going through the courts. Only a temporary problem.
“It’s like when you’re all lathered up in a nice hot shower, then suddenly the water goes ice cold.”
Doesn’t happen with my new gas tankless water heater!
Doesn’t happen to me any more either.
I gave up showering.
My old friends have disowned me.
I’m like a fart in an elevator to them now,
On the positive side though, I’ve been invited to share a bit of sidewalk space in San Francisco with an addicts / homeless collective run by Gov Newsome.
I qualified for this invitation through my example of saving water and energy.
I’m a Green Inspiration apparently.
IPCC just got DOGEd.
Whatever will they do now? Germany managed to put themselves into a serious green recession, resulting in AfD likely winning tomorrow’s election ousting Sholtz. UK is broke by own admission. Italy’s Meloni is in no position (or disposition) to help. Doubt China will step up even tho it benefits when EU commits green IPCC inspired suicide. UN just lost US WHO support, so out annually over $0.5 billion before also losing US IPCC support.
Elections have consequences. 2020 was stolen, giving 47 4 years to plan 47. After just a month, the results are already awesome. ‘Sitting back with a quiet grin’. Yup.
Per diem expenses to zero for a lot of government employees is a win. .
AfD won’t win the election. They will be the clear second largest party, which would make a 2 party coalition with the CDU/CSU a clear majority government, and a break with the Socialists and Greens who have been messing things up. However, although it will be the largest party the CDU/CSU will instead seek to form a coalition with the Socialists and Greens to continue messing things up. The Socialists are now split over 3 parties – SPD, Die Linke (the Left) and BSW, a left splinter group.
A simple coalition with the SPD would likely not be a majority, so they would need the Greens or one of the other lefties to govern. The centrist FDP that dropped out of the current government coalition looks like it may not get seats – and indeed, one or two of the left fractions could also fail to reach the 5% hurdle.
It will take another crisis to force the CDU/CSU to do the sensible thing. But that will likely lead to disorder on the streets from the left.
Is Germany where the Judean Peoples’ Front turned up?
(or was it the Peoples’ Front of Judea?)
Always look on the bright side of life!
Splitters!
Leftists taking to the street anytime someone says no to them, is Standard Operating Procedure.
Australia has loads of deficit, what is a few more $ with-an-M-in-front for the IPCC?
Our nasty little Prime Minister woke-up last week with an election that he apparently doesn’t know what to do with, and decided to give billions more to the green-steel steal, and a few more to Medicare, and green boondoggles no doubt. Although his dumb and dumber sidekicks (including leader of the opposition) have reduced their profile, they are still in the game.
The cure is to export more Oz-rocks to China, so they can make more warships to sail down the East Coast and play live-firing games off Sydney. Win-win …
Cheers,
Bill
2020 was stolen, giving 47 4 years to plan 47.
The Democrats must be regretting bitterly their decision to throw that election.
“The decision pulls American expertise and funding from a process that’s long leaned on both to prop up its dire pronouncements”
Well, here is a list of authors of the AR6 SPM, with US in red. But of course only a few of the US authors are federal employees. I think they will manage.
You specifically cite the AR6 SPM. There has to be an AR6 first.That is the subject of this post—ain’t happening.
AR6 happened. AR7 is coming. Also, RE:Nicks point. Many of those non Federal employees are supported by Federal grants, which will become much more rare for their actvities.
“…which will become much more rare for their actvities.”
Not when they are outright lying about what they are studying.
They don’t need federal grants to write for the IPCC. Their institutions can underwrite the effort. It’s prestigious, you know.
That is unfortunately a huge part of the problem.
So are most of these circle-jerking conferences.
You need money for plane flights, salaries. office space, utilities.
Institutions of Higher Education, IHEs are quite reticent to pay for anything not covered by a grant. They don’t give a shit about prestige or even research.
They care about money. Prestige IS used, primarily, to secure grants.
Independent research institutions, IRIs care about research, but they are primarily doing biomedical work.
And when the funds they get from the grant are greatly reduced, so is their incentive. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of, is a truth. I think the lying on the title of the studies will be short lived. One can rob a person and call it equity distrubution, it is still a crime.
A leftist institution spend their own money?
HaHaHa your funny Nick.
“There has to be an AR6 first.”
OK, ChatGP tells me that of the 234 AR6 WG1 authors, 35 were American, and likely more than half of those are from Universities. They can get it done.
Update – ChatGPT tells me that only 9 of those 35 were federal employees.
“They can get it done”
Maybe you could ask ChatGP what “it” is? Wasting other peoples’ cash to achieve precisely nothing of any real use?
How much do you intend to contribute? Not a bean, I suppose.
The American universities are going to have a lot FEWER federal dollars sent to them now because they were getting hundreds of millions a year such as Yale who got $889 MILLION in 2023.
Are you not aware of how much non government money to “studies” is government money?
Most of the others are academics that get paid through federal grants. In my institute, these grants are under scrutiny. Many will be able to get away with travel on existing grants this time, but not later.
I wonder how much of existing money grants will be withdrawn? The colleges and universities are going to scream bloody murder to lose the money now going to support the salaries of numerous grant recipients and the money for bloated overhead going to the rest of their inflated budgets. No way can they raise tuition to the levels to replace lost Federal and State grants. Ivy Leaguers such as Haavahad might have to dip into their multi-billion dollar endowments to cover the transition to leaner Federal expenditures.
We’ll find out. Universities are going to lose some funding for sure and will have to shrink personnel and spending at least a little.
I don’t think that changing the name of DEI to Access and Cultural Innovation is going to fly.
They are really screaming about only 15% of a grant can be spent on administration cost not the 30% the were use to skimming off the top.
Things may be different now, and I don’t know how the IPCC is set up, but when I was participating in a UN working group a number of years ago I had to be sponsored by an official US representative. Those were the most boring, unproductive meetings I’ve ever participated in.
Nick,
Please view the Australian reps for IPCC AR6 WG1 SPM. Six males, one female.
Pep Canadell (Australia). CSIRO. Birth place unstated, possibly Spain. Published 18 times in year 2024 alone. How can a person publish at this pace and maintain scientific credibility?
Malte Meinshausen (Australia/Germany). Uni of Melbourne, after the radical Potsdam Institute 2006-2011. Birth place unstated, possibly Germany or Switzerland.
Roshanka Ranasinghe (The Netherlands/Sri Lanka/Australia). Now at Twente, Holland. First degree Sri Lanka. Birth place not stated, possibly Sri Lanka.
Blair Trewin (Australia). Possibly born in Australia. Bureau of Meteorology, major player in ACORN-SAT adjusted Australian temperatures.
Alejandro Di Luca (Australia/Canada/Argentina). Currently works in Canada. Uni NSW 2017-2020. Birth place unstated, possibly Argentina.
Pandora Hope (Australia). Bureau of Meteorology. 2005 PhD Uni Melbourne. Possibly Australian born.
Mark Howden (Australia). Australian National Uni. “ roles in the Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and now Seventh Assessment Reports, sharing the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with other IPCC participants and Al Gore.” Possibly Australian born. Needs to learn Trump orders.
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The phrase “Birth place unstated” means no hits from a 5-minute Google search. It could be incomplete. If so I will correct with apologies.
For myself, I was born at Oakey, Queensland in June 1941. My father, an officer in the Royal Australian Air Force, had several postings involving our relocation in Australia. He was posted to New Guinea without family from about my birth to late 1945. I can trace my ancestry back for 4 earlier Australian generations. My love of my country and my desire to help improve it by practical, wealth generating scientific applications might well be much greater than that of several of the above academics.
Why do they consider that they are qualified to represent Australia? Their published views are not at all compatible with mine. Who selected them to represent Australia, anyone know?
They don’t represent Australia. They are scientists sumarising the state of climate knowledge.
FWIW, my great grandfather was a railway engineer who came from Ireland to work on the Palmer River railway.
My ggf came from County Cork in 1887 and became a copper in outback Qld for a few years 1880 to1886.
He probably locked your ggf up at some stage, Nick 🙂
Ah well, he probably fared better than his brother.
So, a wild colonial boy, Nick?
No wonder you’re not a contrarian 🙂
My ggf had the Imperial pub at Winton when the shearer’s strike was on.
He stood the shearers lodgings, food & drink for the duration of their strike.
The union had promised to make good on his funding costs.
Then they stiffed him, nearly sent him broke.
It’s about time the USA dumps this climate change rubbish. The waste, fraud and abuse needs to end. Greening the planet is a net positive. Despite all the spending on this scam, not much has changed as far as mitigating CO2. Net zero is undermining western civilization while at the same time China, India and other asian countries continue to build coal plants etc….
The oceans, which have 60-70 times as much CO2 as the air, are releasing CO2 as they warm, like a bottle of warmed soda pop. The Earth is in a 2+ million-year ice age that will last until all the natural ice on the Earth melts.
Are you one of those odd people who believes that adding CO2 to air raises the temperature? Totally impossible. You might be better off trying to perfect a perpetual motion machine – an equally ridiculous notion.
Mind you, show me a reproducible experiment demonstrating CO2 heating powers, or a working perpetual motion machine, and I’ll smartly change my cynical tune.
You can’t fault the man for doing what he said he would if elected and he’s not wasting any time in doing it.
All the CO2 has just gone out of the IPCC balloon.
o2
If the science is in fact settled, as the “owners [the IPCC] of climate science” say it is, then there is no need for the US to fund any further work or employment.
Yes, one of my pet peeves. The hypocrisy and sponging off taxpayers is rank.
Where do they say that?
Who cares? Anyone at all who claims “the science is settled” (or weasel words to that effect), is obviously off with the fairies, and their opinion can be disregarded.
About as silly as the IPCC stating “Carbon dioxide emissions are the main cause of future global warming.”, in light of the fact that nobody at all has managed to warm anything with unheated CO2 – not even air, let alone the “globe”!
All nonsense based on ignorance and refusal to accept reality.
Yes, climate scientist Michael Mann has publicly stated on national television that the science behind global warming is as settled as the science of gravity, essentially meaning there is a strong consensus within the scientific community that human activity is causing significant climate change, with as much certainty as we understand the force of gravity. Ai-google response to question about: Michael Mann, television, global warming and gravity.
Their reports changes little from one report to another using similar modeling scenarios and similar projections, there is little new of anything of value thus a waste of $$$.
Where do they say that?
Quote IPCC latest report. Page 42……
How settled would you like?
I absolutely love the instant refutation of TFN’s snarky little lies!
Death by a thousand cuts.
What does the IPCC need with American money and “scientists” anyway? All the IPCC has to do is run the old AR6 report through a grammar-oriented AI to produce a differently worded AR7 spouting the same nonsense. No one will notice the difference. 😉
Indeed. The statistically significant long-term warming trend will continue with or without the input of US government scientists, including in the US.
This is just more hot air (pardon the pun) from the Trumpskists.
USA like the rest of the globe, has no warming in the last 45 years except at non-CO2 El Ninos.
There has not been any long-term warming, just short-term steps at El Nino events.
Over the long term, say 5000 years, the Earth has cooled by far more than the beneficial warming since the LIA.
We are at a “cool” period of the current interglacial.
No-one can point to any CO2-caused warming in the last 45 years of reasonably good satellite data.
People who say scientifically unsupportable things like “will continue” are making meaningless prophecies based on pseudo-science.
‘Statistically significant’ warming trend. TFN, it appears you know almost nothing about statistics, especially about time series with significant autocorrelation, confounded by UHI, and further confounded by poor station siting. If you don’t know what those are, read essay ‘When Data Isn’t’ In ebook Blowing Smoke.
I get it that you are mightily upset that ‘Trumpskists’ won bigly. Get over it. US isn’t playing ‘Paris Accord’ or IPCC any more. And by the time 47 is finished, never will again.
Add significant digits to this list.
Let’s outlaw sunshine!
Indeed!
https://fee.org/articles/the-candlemakers-petition/
That there is a long term temperature trend was never disputed. The belief that CO2 has anything to do with it is.
BTW, the temperature started rising long before the CO2 did.
“The statistically significant long-term warming trend will continue . . .”
Good to see that you are crafty enough not to associate the adding of CO2 to air with this warming. Very clever. What do you think is causing this warming?
“Long term” is relative. 70 years is pretty short. And the trend is only in the meaningless global average.
The statistically significant long-term warming trend will continue until it doesn’t.
FIFY
AI might.
That is all they have done for three decades. And the fibs justify the solar and wind that is destroying national economies.
Her PhD, thesis is titled “Participation in international environmental agreements : a game-theoretic study.” Not sure how that ties in with NASA in any way.
Surely she did her PhD thesis before she worked for NASA?
It appears she earned MS and PhD degrees while working for USDOE and PNNL, respectively. Someone likes her.
https://apps.ipcc.ch/fp/_readcv.php?t=CV_cdf718be-5e0d-4569-ba83-f1a93929ce24.pdf
I think we will see that her services are no longer required, unless the person who likes her can pull more strings.
Lots of us earned advanced degrees working. USC offered MS Petroleum Engineering for years, at least thru the ’90’s. Nights, weekends, doing homework from rig trailers on location, with employers willing to pay the ransom. Looks like she worked even harder….
‘NASA’s chief scientist’ and all her associates cannot do what SpaceX did years ago—return boosters for relaunch and cut launch costs by almost 90%.
NASA long ago lost scientific street cred. Kate and her PhD cannot ever fix that, so she worries about climate change instead. And got DOGEd.
I never get tired of seeing those Musk rocket boosters coming back and landing on Earth. 🙂
Falcon booster returns have become routine.
What is really awesome is watching the Starship mega booster also return to be caught by its launch tower ‘chopsticks’. Now twice. Too big and heavy to use the Falcon technology. So invent a new one.
Yes, really impressive.
Mission to Planet Earth
Progress!!!
This is what democracy looks like!
Trump said today in a speech that the Green New Deal “is a hoax! Such a hoax!”
More good news.
Story Tip: New Report Shows Electric Car Sales Continued to Fall In California In 2024Electric car sales all but certain to not meet 2026 mandate goals
By Evan Symon, February 22, 2025 7:40 am
According to a new report by the California New Car Dealers Association, the growth rate of all electric vehicles in California was stagnant, and went up by only 1% in 2024. The number of total registrations for electric cars dropped by o.3% from 2023.
Yes, and Trump stopping all Electric Vehicle subsides will hurt sales even more.
And even without stopping the subsidies, as you note, sales are down.
People who think we will all be driving EV’s in the near future are in for a rude awakening.
Story Tip?
Could some persons be in serious trouble?
Trump wants to know where all the Federal money provided for the Californian high speed train went.
Trump’s DOT Launches Audit Of California’s Bullet Train Boondoggle – Climate Change Dispatch
Much has gone for “studies” for the many miles. As for the “high speed” stuff, it is still vapor ware.
Construction of the railhead is the first step to laying track and is necessary for high-speed rail to conduct track and overhead contact systems work. The latest on CA’s High Speed Rail is that just completed is a rail-head (freight yard) designed to receive materials and be a staging ground for upcoming track-laying work. Regular RR track has been laid to the freight yard. Construction Package 4 (CP 4) – the segment that just got the golden shovel treatment – is a 22-mile stretch of the high-speed rail project between Poplar Avenue in Wasco and approximately 1 mile south of the Kern/Tulare County line. So, 22 miles started of a total of 463(?).
Just for the fun of it, when proposed in 2008, I thought it would be a fun ride. Now I expect to reach ambient room temperature before they get 50 miles built.
The original plan allowed for a line from San Diego to LA to San Francisco, with a branch to Sacramento. The current plan is for a much shorter “Phase I” line staring outside Bakersfield and going to a small city in the Central Valley (Fresno?). Hardly a route in need of much passenger train service at all, let alone high-speed rail.
Also, the USG will only be auditing the ~$4B provided – the rest of the money wasted was not from the USG.
Proposed in 2008.. and still many years from maybe completion.
Did you know that since 2008, China have built some 36,000km of high speed rail system..
…. and in 2024 carried over 3 billion passengers. !
I think the California High Speed Rail project is just a slush fund for politicians and their cronies. They can bilk a lot of money out of the taxpayers without even laying down a track.
Trump is probably going to turn “thumbs down” on the federal portion of this project.
Sounds very like the Solyndra scam.
The UN/IPCC changed the meaning of “climate” to 30 years of weather without telling the billions of people that learned the word “climate” meant the usual weather for thousands to millions of years.
About time. Just what the heck is NASA doing getting involved in this anyway?We know the answer in part, it needed to hitch itself to another bandwagon to stay relevant.
It’s quite shocking that this has gone on for so long. NASA/GISS activity in so called ‘climate science’ should be defunded, nay banned altogether.
Article I Section 9 Powers Denied Congress
DOGE is applying this part of the US Constitution on full blast to the whole government. They are getting that account of the receipts and expenditures, no matter how much the kleptocratic party doesn’t like it.
California needs DOGE.
I see where my State, Oklahoma, and several other States (all Republican States) are getting ready to implement their own DOGE.
This is a really big deal. Have to see what happens at the next COP, but this could be the thing that puts an end to the whole parade. Once the US is decisively out, who does that leave? The only true believers left will be UK, Canada, Australia. Maybe Germany, though they are getting shakier by the day. Everyone else is just along for a vacation and to look for handouts.
A COP with no US presence, and with China and India either absent or determinedly blocking any resolutions with any teeth, or any real commitments? The US now having explicitly walked on its previous commitments? Its over, isn’t it? The next one to go may be the UK, where dissent is rising as the total impracticality of Miliband’s agenda becomes clear..
The decisive issue has not been whether emissions are driving catastrophic warming. Its that the energy policies of the alarmists have turned out to be unsaleable. Pielke forecast this with his ‘iron law’ a decade or so ago, and its finally happened.
“The only true believers left will be UK, Canada, Australia. Maybe Germany, though they are getting shakier by the day. Everyone else is just along for a vacation and to look for handouts.”
I think that is a good description of the situation.
Human-caused Climate Change is a serious subject for just a small group of people who stand to benefit from it personally, and a larger group of people who they have fooled into thinking there is a climate problem.
I think it is obvious that most people are not taking Climate Change too seriously judging by their actions.
I think it’s been known for a while that these solutions to a non existent problem are not tenable.
The narrative keeps shifting, most recently from catastrophic ‘breakdown’ leading to plagues, Vanuatu disappearing under water and whatnot to opportunities for jobs in the new green revolution.
It’s not working, people are no longer buying it or have just tuned out. Also, it has to compete with the other revolution so called in AI (complete hype of course), which seems to be winning out for now.
I suspect these are hit and run exercises, the last cash grabs before it all comes crashing down.
Wind / solar quietly dropped the last couple of years while last year the EV collapse started. No sane person wants one. The tree huggers, musk fan boys and tech enthusiasts have had their fill.
Apart from companies saving tons of cash due to subsidies (bribes), China and Norways artificial markets, only the second hand are appealing to the rest of the market. Even the latter is a blip, a temporary temptation given the eye watering drops in value. Unsustainable.
The end is definitely nigh
Mistake. Trump needs to fund science that shows CO2 is good for the planet, and get THAT into the IPCC reports.
As seen before, the IPCC would keep anything like that out of the reports. It doesn’t fit their mission of trying to prove man made co2 is the problem !!
Probably best to just ignore the IPCC, and treat it as another crazy environmental pressure group.