Roger Caiazza
A recent McKinsey Global Institute report The hard stuff: Navigating the physical realities of the energy transition (McKinsey Report) describes the challenges of the energy transition transformation for those who want a decarbonized society. This post describes my review of the description of the power sector with respect to my primary concerns for the New York Climate Leadership & Community Leadership Act transition of the electric grid to zero-emissions by 2040. Those concerns are the need for a dispatchable emissions-free resource (DEFR) and the enormous risk associated with determining how much DEFR must be deployed to prevent blackouts in electric grids that depend on variable renewable energy resources, .i.e., wind and solar.
The McKinsey Report describes the realities of the global clean energy transition that proponents claim is necessary to address the existential threat of climate change. I think the authors did a good job explaining many of the complicated issues associated with the energy transition. The scope of the report is enormous because they are trying to cover the entire global energy system:
The energy system consists of the production, conversion, delivery, and consumption of energy resources across sectors as both fuels and feedstocks (that is, inputs for the production of different materials). The system is a massive, interlocking physical entity that has been optimized over centuries. It has served billions of people—if not yet all of humanity—well. But in an era in which countries and companies around the world are aspiring to address climate change, the high emissions resulting from the current energy system are now firmly in focus. The world has duly embarked on a huge transformation, centered on switching from the high-emissions assets and processes on which the system is largely based to new low-emissions solutions.
The summary describes the key points in the report:
- The energy transition is in its early stages, with about 10 percent of required deployment of low-emissions technologies by 2050 achieved in most areas. Optimized over centuries, today’s energy system has many advantages, but the production and consumption of energy account for more than 85 percent of global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. Creating a low-emissions system, even while expanding energy access globally, would require deploying millions of new assets. Progress has occurred in some areas, but thus far has largely been in less difficult use cases.
- Twenty-five interlinked physical challenges would need to be tackled to advance the transition. They involve developing and deploying new low-emissions technologies, and entirely new supply chains and infrastructure to support them.
- About half of energy-related CO2 emissions reduction depends on addressing the most demanding physical challenges. Examples are managing power systems with a large share of variable renewables, addressing range and payload challenges in electric trucks, finding alternative heat sources and feedstocks for producing industrial materials, and deploying hydrogen and carbon capture in these and other use cases.
- The most demanding challenges share three features. First, some use cases lack established low-emissions technologies that can deliver the same performance as high-emissions ones. Second, the most demanding challenges depend on addressing other difficult ones, calling for a systemic approach. Finally, the sheer scale of the deployment required is tough given constraints and the lack of a track record.
- Understanding these physical challenges can enable CEOs and policy makers to navigate a successful transition. They can determine where to play offense to capture viable opportunities today, where to anticipate and address bottlenecks, and how best to tackle the most demanding challenges through a blend of innovation and system reconfiguration.
I am only going to consider the power sector and not the other six end-use sectors discussed. Twenty-five physical challenges are described for these sectors. Each of the challenges is described relative to the difficulty of the challenge. This review focuses on the power sector energy transition physical challenges that are shown in the following figure.
Exhibit E1: McKinsey Global Institute The hard stuff: Navigating the physical realities of the energy transition
The description of the power sector physical challenges explains:
Addressing physical challenges in power is fundamental to the entire transition because abating emissions in the huge energy-consuming sectors—mobility, industry, and buildings—requires sweeping electrification under typical decarbonization scenarios. Two difficult challenges arise: managing the variability of renewables such as solar and wind, as they grow their share of total generation; and doing so specifically for emerging power systems that need to grow, often more rapidly and by more than advanced power systems. These two are classified as Level 3 because addressing variability challenges would require the use of novel technologies that have not yet been deployed commercially and face other substantial barriers. Four other challenges, classified as Level 2, relate to constraints on scaling more established technologies, inputs, and infrastructure, where accelerated progress would be needed for the transition.
Quality Review Concerns
The two review concerns for a power sector depend upon weather-dependent resources that I think must be addressed in any assessment of the quality of the report are the need for a new resource to address long-term wind and solar deficits and the challenge of specifying how much of those resources is needed.
In my opinion, all credible analyses of future electric energy systems depending upon wind and solar must acknowledge the need for a new resource to backup up weather dependent resources that New York has named DEFR. Francis Menton explains that this creates a likely impossible challenge:
The reason is that the intermittency of wind and solar generators means that they require full back-up from some other source. But the back-up source will by hypothesis be woefully underused and idle most of the time so long as most of the electricity comes from wind and sun. No back-up source can possibly be economical under these conditions, and therefore nobody will develop and deploy such a source.
There is another aspect of DEFRs that needs to be considered. Menton also did a post on September 28, 2023 that covered a Report then just out from Britain’s Royal Society dealing with issues of long-term energy storage to back up wind and solar generators that concisely describes my other quality concern. He explains that the Royal Society had collected weather data for Britain for some 37 years and documented that “there are worst-case wind and sun “droughts,” comparable to rain droughts, that may occur only once every 20 years or more.”
The Royal Society: Large-scale electricity storage, Issued: September 2023 DES6851_1, ISBN: 978-1-78252-666-7
To be a credible analysis of future power sector projected needs, ten both of these concerns need to be considered. If they are not included, then the complexity will be underestimated and the magnitude of resources required overlooked.
McKinsey Report Analysis of Concerns
For the power sector the McKinsey report addressed six challenges. I will describe the relevant challenges and mention the challenges that affect the global system but not the New York power sector.
Challenge 1: Managing renewables variability (Level 3):
With the energy transition, Variable Renewable Energy (VRE) sources, such as solar and wind, would be required to grow and reach a relatively high share of total generation. As this happens, the output of power systems would become progressively more variable, exceeding demand on some days but falling substantially short on others. Consider Germany. VRE could potentially account for 90 percent of all power generation by 2050, in the McKinsey 2023 Achieved Commitments scenario. Nonetheless, there could still be about 75 days a year when VRE generation would be insufficient to meet a large share of demand (meaning that at least one-quarter of demand would have to be met by other sources) (Exhibit 6). VRE-heavy power systems would therefore require much more supply-side flexibility. This could come from storage (both power and heat), backup generation capacity (including thermal generation like gas power and beyond), and interconnections. Such flexibility solutions may need to scale by as much as two to seven times faster than overall power demand globally in the next three decades. However, these forms of flexibility in turn face significant barriers relating, for example, to critical inputs (for some forms of energy storage) and other factors such as market design mechanisms (for backup generation). Most critically, some of the technologies that would be crucial for providing flexibility to the power system over the course of seasons, including novel long-duration energy storage (LDES) and hydrogen-based generation, would need to scale hundreds of times by 2050 from a negligible base today.
Exhibit 6: McKinsey Global Institute The hard stuff: Navigating the physical realities of the energy transition
The Challenge 1 description emphasizes the need for supply-side flexibility. Exhibit 6 notes that at least one quarter of the days will require backup resources to resolve VRE intermittency explaining that “novel long-duration energy storage (LDES) and hydrogen-based generation” is needed “over the course of seasons”. The example resources can be used for DEFR but it does not address my second concern, the worst-case wind and sun drought. This study appears to only consider average conditions, which is a common flaw in academic assessments. For electric system resource planners, the emphasis on reliability for all periods mandates that the analysis addresses extreme conditions. As a result, the magnitude of DEFR support necessary to keep the lights on at all times is underestimated in this analysis.
The second challenge, “scaling emerging power systems”, is also rated as Level 3. The description notes that “Many countries, especially those that are lower-income, need faster and more significant growth in their power systems to increase access to electricity.” This is not an issue for New York.
The description of Challenge 3: Flexing power demand (Level 2) notes that “Alongside supply-side flexibility, there may be more opportunity for demand-side flexibility in power as the world electrifies” and does not address either concern. The McKinsey Report claims that this kind of flexibility could provide as much as 25 percent of the total amount needed to accommodate VRE in 2050, in the IEA’s Net Zero scenario. However, it exposes a weakness in studies that use averages. Industry planners do not rely on demand-side flexibility because in the worst-case scenarios the capability of those resources is much lower and can be essentially worthless. This means that studies that only look at averages miss the point that to keep the lights on demand-side resources may not displace as many supply-side resources during the worst-case scenario as they project. In my opinion, the value of any resource that does not provide firm energy during the worst-case scenario should be downrated.
Challenge 4, “securing land for renewables” is rated as Level 2. This is a problem for any jurisdiction that tries to rely on VRE because wind and solar resources are diffuse. This challenge does not address either of my concerns.
Challenge 5: Connecting through grid expansion (Level 2):
With the growth of the power system and the addition of more geographically dispersed energy sources such as VRE, grids would need to become larger and more distributed, interconnected, and resilient. They may need to more than double in size by 2050, growing 40 to 50 percent faster than they are currently. However, lead times for the permitting and construction of transmission lines are long, especially in mature markets such as the EU and the United States, where they have tended to be between five and 15 years. Among other initiatives, accelerating permitting with new streamlined processes could facilitate the expansion of grids.
This challenge does not address either of my concerns.
Challenge 6: Navigating nuclear and other clean firm energy (Level 2):
Increased deployment of clean firm power, such as nuclear, geothermal, and low-emissions thermal plants (for example, hydrogen, biogas, and natural gas with CCUS), could reduce the challenges of variability, land use, and grid expansion. Nuclear is an example of a clean firm technology that is mature and gaining momentum. At COP28, for example, a group of economies announced commitments to triple nuclear capacity by 2050. Nonetheless, increasing the deployment of nuclear requires managing complex engineering, supply chain, skills, and siting issues as well as safety considerations. In combination, these issues could result in long lead times, frequent delays, and cost overruns. Addressing these would require, for instance, standardizing the design of nuclear plants and building multiple plants using the same designs to leverage shared learning, training workforces in the skills they need, and developing necessary supply chains.
These issues affect the deployment of DEFR but do not address my concerns directly.
Discussion
Although there is useful information in this report, it fails to address my concerns about the need for a new resource to address the specific problem of worst-case wind and solar “droughts” and the related problem of defining just how much of the new resources will be needed to prevent blackouts for the worst of the worst-case periods.
I think the main problem can be traced to the use of averages rather than worst-case conditions for evaluation of resource requirements. I searched the document for the terms “worst” and “extreme”. The term “worst” did not appear. The term “extreme” did show up relative to battery electric vehicle use and heat pumps. The McKinsey Report noted that special considerations were needed for the worst-case extremes for those applications. Unfortunately, the authors did not extend that consideration to the power sector.
There is one other consideration unmentioned in the power sector challenges. Wind and solar resources do not provide the ancillary services necessary to support the transmission system. The McKinsey Report did note that transmission requirements would be a challenge but overlooked this aspect.
Conclusion
The report concludes that:
The path of the energy transition will not be straightforward, and stark trade-offs and consequences lie ahead. Taking time for the transition to play out, as in many physical transformations of the past, could allow for the physical realities of the transformation to be confronted more gradually with time to innovate and scale new low-emissions technologies, address bottlenecks, and reconfigure the system. While this may make navigating the physical challenges easier, such a path would almost certainly involve compromising on the climate goals that countries and companies across the world have agreed to, with consequences for rising physical risks. However, driving the transition forward without confronting physical realities would most likely compromise the performance of the energy system—and as a result challenge energy access, growth, prosperity, and support for the transition itself.
Alternatively, stakeholders could confront difficult physical challenges head-on—in fact, they could use an understanding of physical realities to guide the way forward to an affordable, reliable, competitive path to net zero. While many open questions remain on what precise path would enable the physical challenges to be addressed, this analysis sheds light on some crucial ingredients that would have to be present in a successful energy transition.
The power sector analysis appears to use averages to project future needs. As a result, it fails to address my concerns about the need for DEFR and the related risk that improper assessment of the amount of DEFR needed threatens the reliability of the electric system. The ultimate concern is that the conditions associated with extreme wind and solar droughts are also associated with extreme hot and cold weather when the electrified society will be most vulnerable if there is a blackout. The report sheds some light on crucial ingredients but overlooks a potential fatal flaw.
Clearly there is no question in the minds of the authors that the transformation to net-zero is necessary. The conclusion talks about trade-offs and consequences but does not acknowledge that there may not be an “affordable, reliable, competitive path to net zero” using VRE. Given the vulnerability risk, I remain convinced that the VRE transition will do more harm than good in New York and elsewhere. I think the nuclear option is the only path forward for those who want to decarbonize.
Roger Caiazza blogs on New York energy and environmental issues at Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York. This represents his opinion and not the opinion of any of his previous employers or any other company with which he has been associated.
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To build a new carbon free economy will take energy. This is not available today from carbon free sources. So we will need to increase emissions to reduce emissions.
You’re saying that it might become necessary to destroy the village in order to save it?
About a billion ton of coal (plus other HC) per year to mine, process, refine, smelt, manufacture and transport solar panels from Asia to The West to feed our fetish for unreliable, low energy density, mineral intensive junk power.
It does not work like that. None of what is happening saves carbon emissions. The transition is simply shifting coal burning to Asian countries that are too smart to fall for the scam.
Solar panels and wind turbines would need to last in excess of 200 years to save coal. The maths is not complicated. Reasonable estimates for the transition is $200tr. That will buy around 2,000Gt of coal at present prices. Current coal consumption is 8.4Gt per year. So the transition costs 238 years of coal consumption. So if the transition hardware does not last 238 years, the globe is transitioning to a global coal sink not a coal saver.
ChatGPT estimates it would globally take all the solar panels in the world today and built in the future working full out producing solar panels for the next 216 years before we would have enough panels to provide more net power than is spent building panels.
Might be longer than that.
According to the IEA ‘Renewables 2024 Analysis and Forecast to 2030’ (Oct 2024)
Solar PV manufacturers are scaling back investment plans due to the growing supply glut and record low prices. Global solar manufacturing capacity is expected to reach over 1100GW by the end of 2024 more than double projected demand.
China is expected to supply 80% of global solar PV manufacture by 2030.
One source suggests a 4x over capacity that has seen Chinse solar stocks to drop 30%.
Could well be. Although the IEA report has only just been published it is obviously based on information obtained some time before.
At least they had sense to round a 6-year prediction to 80% instead of 79.98759764e39763 +/-68.876653249675 with 95.642% confidence
On the one hand, carbon emissions are not pollutants. Increased carbon levels are not and will not cause a climate crisis.
On the other hand, using more nuclear generation for our baseline power grid just makes sense. I want to promote nukes without any invocation of climate, carbon, or net-zero.
Each solar panel needing 8 years to produce enough energy to create another panel, their reproduction rate is quite low thus it will take many generations before solar panels can net reduce global emissions. At present as we increase the number of panels we are net increasing emissions and will do so for the next 200+ years.
“Given the vulnerability risk, I remain convinced that the VRE transition will do more harm than good in New York and elsewhere. I think the nuclear option is the only path forward for those who want to decarbonize.”
Good review, and this conclusion is well put. It cannot be otherwise and make any sense at all.
Even better would be for voters in NY and elsewhere to snap out of the politically amplified illusion that emissions of CO2 from power generation are a risk to the climate at all. Incremental CO2 is simply not capable of driving any metric of climate outcomes in a bad direction.
I fully agree with your last sentence. A thing cannot warm itself.
It hasn’t so far: Table 12.12 on P. 90 of Chapter 12 of WGI in the 2021 UN IPCC’s Sixth Assessment Report (AR6) shows that extreme weather has not increased in frequency, intensity nor duration. All reports of increasing bad weather are outright lies as put forward by Leftist ideologues in government, academia and NGOs. The fact that the UN IPCC has not countered these lies in real time shows their political, not scientific orientation.
Every once in a while, a thought sneaks in… was Global Warming concocted to bring back atomic energy to post cold war civilization?
Who knows? But it’s another good reason to declassify almost everything from within the U.S. government from those times (1980’s-1990’s.)
What I find amazing is that no one seems to have taken into account the new emissions that will be created in building the new economy. Once these are taken into account it becomes obvious that the easiest way to cut emissions is to simply not build a carbon free economy.
They aren’t building a new economy. They are destroying an existing economy that will need to be rebuilt once the delusion ends.
The emissions saved in not building a solar panel cuts net global emissions for 8 years. Don’t build billions and billions of panels and think of how much CO2 you will save for years to come. All you need now is a government willing pay you for reducing emissions via cap and trade. Make the politicians hidden beneficiaries in an offshore trust and you will quickly be approved.
*hand wave* “It’s got electrolytes.”

— Idiocracy
This is pretty good rhetoric to mock the recalcitrant warmunistas.
It’s a shame McKinsey didn’t spend as much time and resources determining whether or not the transition is even necessary. Fact is, even nuclear won’t “decarbonize” all our energy needs.
A good review except for one major omission: peak renewable generation overcapacity vs. actual demand.
Because solar requires 3x, and wind 2x, to replace one unit of dispatchable generation – there is an inherent problem with massive production during times of low demand. For solar PV, this is the daytime 10 am to 2 pm period. For wind, it is the 11 pm to 4 am time slot.
This is a problem that I hypothesized 7 years ago: not only would there be increasing amounts of curtailed electricity (i.e. electricity produced over demand), but that the percentage of curtailment would increase as renewable generation percentage increases.
The fool’s answer is storage, but storage makes all manner of assumptions including that additional transmission is not needed (it is, and in multiples), that the storage is able to ingest the massive spikes of power without negative effects (not at all clear since recharging always presumes a steady moderate current), that the storage is affordable, that the storage is physically manufacturable given raw material limits, etc etc.
I have not done any modeling to verify this, but I would not be surprised if the increasing peaks of renewable generation spikes get proportionately worse as renewable generation percentage increases, which in turn requires even more storage overcapacity, which in turn is further exacerbated by requirements to handle weekly, monthly, seasonal and even yearly variability. Or in other words – a problem that gets worsem not better.
Short term storage is more or less ok – shifting solar PV from the middle of the day to the evening peak or shifting midnight wind to morning peaks. Medium storage is much more problematic – you have to account for the short term storage, PLUS additional for the medium term storage – all impacts on all three generation, transmission and storage capacity.
The most likely outcome in the short term of attempting such Net Zero theory is either brownouts/blackouts or firing up coal/natural gas plants.
I agree that addiing more renewables just makes things worse. Because wind and solar output correlates and can go to near zero adding more capacity cannot solve the worst case and makes the over supply problem worse. Wind and solar will never work.
I have never seen any project reported that attempted to store the full output of any solar or wind array for more than 4 hours (except here in crazy Cali). Most “storage” is actually frequency control. Storing 10 AM to 2 PM needs at least 7 hours not 4 hours of storage for the 5 PM to 9 M peak load (too expensive).
There is no quantity of “overbuild” that can “replace a unit of dispatchable generation.”
Makes no difference how many you build when they are all non-functional at the same time.
Germany built enough wind and solar to produce nearly double their PEAK electricity demand. Meanwhile, less than 30% of their (actually used) power was provided by wind and solar. Sums it up quite nicely.
I have modelled this. Here’s the sort of picture you get looking at the UK as you increase wind penetration.
Here, average demand is 35GW, or just over 300TWh/a. The modelling is based on hourly data, and assumes 6GW or just over 50TWh/a of “nuclear” (and/or biomass) baseload to provide some minimal grid inertia. Beyond that, each hour is either supplied by wind or “CCGT” as dispatchable balancing generation when wind is insufficient. In surplus hours (which start when there is sufficient wind to cause occasional surpluses during overnight low demand hours, typically just under 20GW in summer or just over 20GW in winter), the surplus is simply curtailed.
As capacity increases, the number of hours where curtailment occurs increases, and the surplus of hours previously in surplus goes up. In this portion of the curves total curtailment increases roughly quadratically, with marginal curtailment (the proportion of extra output that gets curtailed when you add an extra wind farm) increasing linearly.
Further increases in wind capacity then do little to reduce deficits in relatively windless hours, while continuing to add to curtailment surpluses almost linearly. The windless hours mean that at the system level the need for dispatchable “CCGT” capacity remains essentially unaltered. However, its average utilisation decreases. Note that at zero wind capacity, having allowed for the 6GW of baseload, the average utilisation of CCGT is barely over 50% because of fluctuations in demand. The capacity is sized to meet maximum residual demand with no wind capacity.
If you assume that wind has a fully utilised LCOE cost of W then just to provide the generation the marginal wind farm must earn a multiple of this from its useful output defined by
100W/(100-marginal curtailment %)
So by the time we reach 90GW of wind capacity we’re at about 7W for cost for an extra wind farm, with just 15% of its output being useful. This is important, because curtailed wind is not free, even if it has no value: it is false economics to treat as being a free input to storage. Of course, storage can be equally expensive if it saves a marginal wind farm: if it costs more it is not economic.
When we look at the surpluses hour by hour they are of varying size for any given level of wind capacity. See this which shows the percentage of time that the surplus exceeds a given level for various wind capacities:
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/nZM72/1/
The largest surplus will occur when demand is low, so the size of the surplus doesn’t quite define the amount of grid capacity required if we attempt to use the surplus to feed storage, even if it does define the size of the storage input required to do so. However, you are never going to build grid and storage assets that only get used very rarely, because they get almost no chance to earn their keep: the marginal cost of a system including storage increases very sharply if you attempt to use all surpluses. So there will be economic curtailment until the utilisation of the storage system becomes high enough to justify its cost. With batteries the limits are really quite low: even with access to below cost power (i.e. wind surpluses sometimes even at negative prices), 3GW of batteries struggle to justify durations of 2 hours at current levels of wind penetration (about 30GW). A 2 hour battery is barely managing to turn over once a day before running out of profitable opportunities, even though some of its income derives from ancillary services rather than pure energy supply. Pumped hydro is in principle cheaper than batteries, but even here new projects struggle for financial viability at durations above a day. Electrolysis and hydrogen are hopelessly expensive, with redelivered power being over £500/MWh at least.
In reality, once you are no longer able to turn over your storage at least daily it soon becomes uneconomic. Storing larger supluses that occur at lower levels of demand over a weekend for use during the week immediately reduces the opportunity to earn a margin to weekly instead of daily – making the effective cost 7 times higher. Going beyond that to cover less frequent periods of Dunkelflaute makes the economics worse still. Seasonal storage only pays out once a year. Long terms storage to cover occasional bad years, worse still – and a run of bad years, even worse, as the Royal Society study uncovered (actually I had done virtually the identical analysis some years before).
Excellent. Thanks
Here’s a fun comparison of Wind and Nuclear that includes the Progressive 4x overbuild to overcome wind intermittence and the difference in life cycle.:
Nuclear Reactors:
Wind Turbines:
• Typical cost is $1.3 million per megawatt (MW) of electricity-producing capacity• Most commercial wind turbines have a capacity of 2-3 MW (<$1 million per MW used in this example to make the best possible case for Wind).
Comment: It should be noted that most wind turbines are “refurbished” after 13 years to restart the tax credit clock. In the real world Wind in 2034 should be expected to be at least 6 times the cost of SMR.
Comparison:
Very good.
In 30 years, and more likely 20+/- the cost of replacement … will be higher due to 20-30 years of a Democrat induced inflation. Likely 30 years of inflation will equate to a doubling in replacement cost to $50,952,000,000.00.
If the lifespan is 25 years or less the replacement happens twice.
$25.4B initial installation
$50.9B 25 year replacement
$101.8B 50 year replacement
(Figuring inflation to double costs every 25 years)
The total cost of wind over 60 years would be $177B
Agree. IMHO wind and solar farms installed after 2034 will never be replaced and will simply be left to rot in the environment because of the minimal salvage value. We already see this with “temporary mothballing”. The only reason wind farms are currently being “refurbished” after 10 years is to reset the production tax credit clock. That scam can’t last much longer (or can it?)
There is no “energy transition” that would completely eliminate petroleum products in the foreseeable future. Even if we had fusion power plants providing all our electric power needs, we’d still need petroleum products. Petroleum products can be reduced a small amount, but that’s it.
I am rather fond of breathing oxygen and consuming vegetables, so I don’t “want a decarbonized society”. CO2 is a wholly beneficial trace gas on which ALL life depends. Without sufficient CO2, (i.e. below ~ 180 PPM) the plants starve and die off, resulting in no more O2 and no more food. The entire premise of decarbonizing is dangerously misguided.
Sorry, but this is a lot of effort to analyze something that has no connection to reality.
Adaptation to the changes THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN, as opposed to chasing non-solutions to speculative bullshit, will be both more successful and less costly in both financial and human terms.
“About half of energy-related CO2 emissions reduction depends on addressing the most demanding physical challenges. ”
Huh?
Salad.
Then:
“Second, the most demanding challenges depend on addressing other difficult ones, calling for a systemic approach”
If an educated person did not write this then educated people programmed the AI that wrote it. What a splendid use of resources to demonstrate that “we” are flexing on “them”.
Then they ranked “Navigating Nuclear” less challenging than “Scaling Emerging Power Systems” – they picked the ambiguous alliteration “navigating” to obscure their position (pro- or anti-) why? Seven decades of resistance, nah not going to be obstacles there. Fer gosh sakes they’re (supposedly) in New York.
I really appreciate all of the hard work Roger and Francis do for us. I think the McKinsey report is useful but doesn’t look at the most important question. Is CAGW a real thing and if it isn’t there is no need for Net Zero or wind and solar.
“Clearly there is no question in the minds of the authors that the transformation to net-zero is necessary.”
This is unacceptable, there is no proper science supporting the CAGW narrative. They make a clear case that wind and solar are not the right source of energy, not even close. We are wasting trillions on sources of power that fall far short of what we need. We already have sources that are clean, affordable, reliable and give us the energy we need when we need it. Not only that but they can serve as their own back up if needed, they do it all the time.
It is time to move on. It is embarrassing that we have been a part of what may be the sorriest human fiasco of all time barring things like the holocaust.
Move from the city to buy a rural block to grow trees. Wood for energy and reduction reaction will be worth squillions when banks no longer support burning coal. Also use some of the wood for your own energy needs.
Australia’s electric power regulator is changing the financing rules so AEMO can hold cash rather than a bank guarantee for one of the coal generators because no bank is willing to provide the guarantee to a carbon polluter.
https://www.aemc.gov.au/rule-changes/allowing-aemo-accept-cash-credit-support
The report was not sponsored by any government but MGI would be using it to support their efforts to gain a solid foothold into the fruits of the climate scam.
Roger,
You have two further complicated challenges to contemplate.
The first is the attraction for unqualified authors like McKinsey to burst into print without understanding that they are not experienced experts. It follows that experienced experts like you and Menton can and will find faults. These faults can persist because inexpert authors and critics can lack the skills to make corrections. The momentum of a large, prestige study will often allow critical errors to continue uncorrected and to assist in labelling valid critics as conspiracy theorists or deniers.
Second, much of the globe fails to understand that net zero carbon might not be an optimum solution to a wicked problem. Many scientists remain to be convinced that (in shorthand summary) CO2 is the control knob for global warming. Past IPCC reports have valid expert critics but like this McKinsey report, the critics are likely to be given a hard time and the criticisms ignored or downplayed. There is an urgent, pressing need to open again a fundamental scientific global debate about the whole set of supporting assertions behind net zero. I can think of few actions of higher importance.
Geoff S
Nero zero is nonsense, is impossible and there is no need to even consider it. For example, the heavy industry, agriculture, and heavy transport systems will always
use enormous amounts of fossils fuels. Fossil fuels will be used for electrical power generation in many countries for the foreseeable future. Why is China, India, and Indonesia, etc constructing many coal-fired power plants? Because their scientists and engineers in these countries have determined that CO2 does not cause “global warming”.
At MLO in Hawaii the concentration of CO2 in pure dry air is 422 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has only a mere 0.839 g of CO2 and a mass of 1.2929 kg at STP.
This small amount of CO2 can heat up such mass of air by only a very small amount if at all. Thus, CO2 can be no “control knob” effecting global warming as proposed by the climate scientists (i.e., the welfare queens in white coats).
You recently mentioned that “It’s time to take the gloves off”. What did you have in mind?
Good points. Thank goodness for WUWT for providing a platform where we can make our arguments
ATTN: Roger
Last July, I posted this comment in your blog:
You do not have worry about the transition to solar panels and wind turbines for suppling electricity for NY because the it will not get pass square one: the purchase of the very large amount of land for these enormous solar and wind farms. Has the costs for the access roads to the sites, substations, and power lines for connecting to the grid been determined? Probably not.
I recall this comment that was posted by a fellow: I have calculated that 6.9% of the land area of NY would required for the solar and winds farms to supply 70% of the electricity for the state.
Even the McKinsey report agreed that this is a huge challenge.
Land acquisition will never happen. If private lands are to be acquired, the owners will ask for astronomical amounts of money.
The electricity produced by the the solar panels and wind turbines is low voltage and after step up at the substations can only be connected moderate voltage distribution lines for local service. Has this been taken into account?
Also backup generators are required for the times when there is little or no electricity from the solar panels and wind turbines.
New York state can have long snowy winters especially upstate. Thus, solar panel farms can’t be placed in these areas.
ConEd’s massive steam plants require reliable base load electricity 24/7 for the water and steam pumps. Has ConEd been consulted about their requirement for electricity
There are many commercial facilities (e.g., supermarkets) and homes that require reliable electricity for refrigeration.
Then there are the heavy industries, the subways, hospitals, etc.
One last question. Who prepared this proposal for the state and the committees?
Last July I recommend that you give copies of the Kauffman essay to the committees. The reasons is that if they learn that water is the main
greenhouse gas as shown in Fig. 7 and if they still insist that carbon emissions must reduced, then they are perpetrating a fraud. This essay can be used to void the NY Climate Act. I will contact Francis about this essay.
Here is a plan to use empirical temperature data to show that CO2 does
not cause warming of air. Please go to: http://www.John-Daly.com. This is the website of the late John Daly’s “Still Waiting for Greenhouse”.
From the homepage scroll down to the end and click on
“Station Temperature Data”. On the World Map click on North America.
Then click on “Pacific” and finally scroll down and click on Death Valley.
The graphic shows plots of the annual average seasonal temperatures and
a plot of annual average temperatures from 1922 to 2001. The plots of the temperatures are fairly flat. Thus, it can be concluded that CO2 did not cause warming of the desert air. In 1922 the concentration of CO2 was 300 ppmv and it increased to 367 ppmv by 2001.
I would like to add temperature data up to 2023. However, I do not know
how to access the temperature data for this site from NOAA’s or the GISS data bases.
We need only to complete the plot for the average annual temperature. It would be too time consuming to calculate and plot the seasonal average temperatures. If the plot remains flat, then on the basis of the empirical data we can claim with confidence that CO2 does not cause warming of air.
Here is new scheme to analyze temperature data. We plot Tmax and Tmin for select days such as the summer and winter solstices and the spring and fall equinoxes. The idea is that there is constant sunlight for the sampling interval. Death Valley would good site for this method since the is low humidity and no clouds.
Let me know what you think about these ideas and proposals.
I will get back to you when I get home from vacation
Send you comments to my email address:
harold.d.pierce at proton.me
‘Expert’ report after report. Consultation, expert panels, endless analyses.
But that pesky sun still sets, those white fluffy things in the sky, they still get in the way, and the damn wind doesn’t blow, or blow hard enough or blow too hard.
Need more taxpayer subsidies to go to ‘science’, I’m sure science can solve the problems of a setting sun, clouds and problematic wind.
Most of scientists can no longer be trusted. Most of them are now welfare queens in white coats.