To Follow or Not to Follow–a report from a climate bedlam

By Søren Hansen

The Kingdom of Denmark is supposed to be a frontrunner in the struggle against climate change. At least that is how our dear politicians see it, and they have the full support from the media and most major institutions in the country. There is a widespread belief that the fulfilment of the Danish climate goals is crucial to saving the global climate from Armageddon.

For a bystander this belief might seem slightly odd, considering that the CO2-emissions of Denmark amount to no more than one tenth of a percent of the global figure. So, physically speaking, it cannot make much of a difference what Denmark achieves or does not accomplish. But the thinking of course is that we are to be an example for the whole World. We are to demonstrate that ambitious climate targets indeed can be met and thereupon all other nations will stampede in the same direction.

The latest round of madness started in 2019 after elections to the Danish Parliament. All the political parties, except one or two extreme left-wing cults, had promised to work for a 40% reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions by 2030. This was in no way considered controversial. But then suddenly, right after the election, the parties indulged in a feeding frenzy and the result was that everyone now wanted a 70% reduction by 2030, that is, compared to emissions in 1990.

The new ambitions were signed into a law – the Climate Law – and a local government committee, the Climate Council was entrusted with the task of providing an initial evaluation of the climate targets and subsequently provide yearly follow-ups on the progress made.

The Climate Council issued a report in 2020, dealing with the prospects of fulfilling the climate goals. The report was actually a somewhat sober piece of work; it was pointed out that known technologies probably would only bring us to a reduction around 60%, whereas the final 10% would require new and yet untested methods. Examples of these were large-scale production of “green” hydrogen, Power to X and also Carbon Capture and Storage.

The key to everything is of course a massive expansion of solar and wind-based generation of electric power. Denmark by now has an average electricity consumption of around 4 GW, whereas we have 7 GW wind and roughly 3 GW solar installed. We are now faced with the well-known situation that on a good day we have far too much electricity, and on a bad day when sun and wind fail, we are dangerously short of power. Some supply is ensured by our remaining traditional power plants, most are running on wood in various forms, but we also continue to consume a fair amount of natural gas and coal. However, the main source of backup, whenever solar and wind deliver too little, is imports, primarily from Sweden and Norway, who are able to provide aid from their nuclear and hydro power plants. This is basically how Denmark gets away with the large proportion of solar and wind in the power supply; our neighbors can deliver most of our electricity when we are in a tight spot.

The question is, of course, whether this makes Denmark an example for others to follow? Few countries in the World have such good neighbors like Norway and Sweden, and without these, our power supply would surely be in shambles.

Denmark’s progress with the climate targets, 1990-2022, in million tons of CO2-equivalents per year.

Source: Danmarks Statistik

Denmark had according to the official statistics reached a reduction of 41% by 2022. This is a rather far cry from the 70% just 8 years hence, but also from an intermediate target for 2025 to the tune of 50-54%. What is worse, however, is that in spite of all our wind and solar generating capacity, two thirds of the reduction are actually achieved by the use of biomass. Biomass is in the European Union defined as “climate neutral”, regardless of the type or provenance. Denmark is mainly using wood, either as pellets or waste from forestry, which is incinerated in combined power and district heating plants. The amount of wood thus employed far exceeds what Denmark can produce domestically, hence there is a substantial import, amounting to some 3 million tons of (primarily) pellets annually. The pellets originate from e.g. North America and the Baltic States, where forests are cut down systematically to cater for the very profitable wooden fuel market. Even wood destined for construction or furniture is sometimes instead supplied to the insatiable power plants in Europe.

Besides the wood, Denmark also has a considerable production and consumption of biogas, mainly based on waste from agriculture, and produced with hefty government financial support. The biogas can replace natural gas technically but it is much more expensive than the latter.

There is considerable skepticism concerning Denmark’s consumption of biomass, especially wood. Even the Danish Climate Council is worried, pointing out that the global figure for biomass available for energy purposes per capita is around 10 GJ/year. Denmark is currently using 30 GJ. Does this make the country a frontrunner and example for others to follow?

The Climate Council has in the yearly follow-up reports expressed doubts regarding the prospects of fulfilling the climate targets. A large contributor to the remaining emissions is the agriculture. Denmark has a substantial production of food, most of which is exported. Animals play a big role in the production, and now the whole sector is firmly in the Council’s crosshairs.

The farmers of course use some fossil fuels for heating, machinery and transportation. But this is not a significant contribution to the yearly national emissions, and could to some extent technically be solved by electrifying the energy consumption. Far worse is the emission of methane from ruminants and nitrous oxide from fertilizer use. These are by far the largest contributions from the Danish agriculture. The Climate Council basically sees only one solution to the problem; we must force a number of farmers out of business and thereby reduce the output of crops, meat and dairy products.

Now, how much methane a cow actually releases, nobody knows – and frankly, nobody cares. The IPCC and EU have standard figures for the emissions, and these are used, simply by multiplying by the number of animals. The fact that the methane quickly is degraded in the atmosphere back to the CO2 wherefrom it originated, and the cattle thereby do not contribute to the global increase in methane levels, does not make a difference to the bureaucrats. The same goes for the nitrous oxide; standard values for the conversion from fertilizer use to emissions are employed, and the only way to reduce the emissions is by lowering the use of fertilizer and thereby the output of crops.

So, Denmark the frontrunner, is showing the rest of the World that we can reduce our greenhouse-gas emissions simply by lowering our production of food! And this in times, where the World does not have too much to feed its growing population. But the implications are truly staggering. We could achieve “net-zero” simply by reducing our production of everything to zero. Actually, this is not a joke, since the Climate Council expects the Danish industry to lower their emissions likewise by reducing the output. We are obviously seeing ingenuity of a high order here…

Now, we saw that Denmark seems to be trailing somewhat behind the climate targets, especially the 2025 one. But here the Climate Ministry (“Ministry of Truth”, rather) had another trick up its sleeve. Denmark has substantial areas of low-lying land, which left to themselves would be more or less inundated in water. Years back, many of these areas were drained and turned into very fertile crop land. Now, it is known that the soil in these areas tend to contain more carbon than normal, and when the land is tilled, some of this carbon turns into horrifying CO2 and escapes. Thus, the Danish farmers now are told to cease growing anything on these tracts of land, dismantle the drainage systems and let the fields return to their former marshy glory. Hereby, theoretically, the escape of carbon can be avoided, and we can save several million tons of CO2-emissions annually.

This has been a slow process until now, but then – lo and behold – some scientists suddenly discovered that actually the emissions from some of these areas are much smaller than previously assumed. Overnight, the Danish climate accounts were improved by around 2 million tons of CO2, corresponding to 5% of the total!

Of course, nobody knows how much emissions actually are involved here, but again, Denmark-the-frontrunner has found an ingenious way to meet the targets, even though it is a method nobody else can use.

It is now believed that, provided the farmers are hit hard enough, Denmark will fulfil the 2025-target. The 70% for 2030 are still somewhat doubtful in the eyes of the Climate Council. Hydrogen is only foreseen to play a minor role and Power to X will kick in later. Instead, there are ambitious plans for Carbon Capture and Sequestration. This is an activity, which generates absolutely no tangible income, costs a fortune in energy and money, and does not have the slightest influence on the atmospheric CO2 contents nor the climate.

But what we do here in Denmark has very little to do with the climate, and everything to do with the profiling of politicians and media talking heads. They want to appear “green” and “woke” and what not – regardless of the costs to the country and common people.

So, my message to the rest of the World must be: Do not regard Denmark as an example to be followed, on the contrary, turn your backs to our antics and embark on a road of common sense.

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strativarius
April 9, 2024 2:45 am

“Denmark is supposed to be a frontrunner in the struggle against climate change. At least that is how our dear politicians see it, and they have the full support from the media and most major institutions in the country.”

I’m struggling to see the difference between Denmark and Blighty. The now non-EU UK is supposed to be ‘independent’. Only, the truth is we all get our orders from the UNhinged and the EU was really just a hugely bureaucratic and expensive middle man. 

“The new ambitions were signed into a law – the Climate Law – and a local government committee, the Climate Council was entrusted with the task of providing an initial evaluation of the climate targets and subsequently provide yearly follow-ups on the progress made.”

Again, it only reminds me of mad monk Ed Miliband’s Climate Change Act and the CCC etc.

“The report was actually a somewhat sober piece of work”

Now, that’s where the UK and Denmark part company. The shrill and very alarmist CCC, arguably, has blood on its hands. …

“Cladding crisis: ‘We are saddled with unsellable worthless homes’. Fire safety defects have been discovered in thousands of blocks of flats in England”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59972062

Reducing emissions only begets yet more opprobrium. Somehow… “The UK is the first major economy to halve its emissions – having cut them by 50% between 1990 and 2022”
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-first-major-economy-to-halve-emissions

It’s never enough

“We believe the government’s revised climate action plan is a complete pipe dream,” said Katie de Kauwe, a lawyer for Friends of the Earth. “It lacks critical information on the very real risks that its policies will fail to deliver the cuts needed to meet legally binding carbon reduction targets and relies too heavily on unproven technologies.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/20/uk-ministers-in-court-again-over-net-zero-plans

And even if we could reach net zero, even that would not be enough for them.

1saveenergy
Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 2:54 am

 “The UK is the first major economy to halve its emissions – having cut them by 50% between 1990 and 2022”

Only by sending most of our manufacturing offshore to the Far East

strativarius
Reply to  1saveenergy
April 9, 2024 2:58 am

Somehow… “

Covers a multitude of sins.

Reply to  1saveenergy
April 9, 2024 4:48 am

Exactly, here in Wokeachusetts, the state brags about how energy efficient the state is, having exported almost all industries other than higher education, pharmaceuticals, genetic engineering, and hospitals. There are thousands of rotting old brick factories littering the landscape. Every time I see the state making this claim- I speak up about it- and I’m always ignored, of course. So, the UK and New England have a lot in common.

Reply to  1saveenergy
April 9, 2024 6:13 am

Small Denmark electric system is using Norway and Sweden as a battery, when wind and solar outputs are minimal, or maximal

Big Germany electric system is also using Norway and Sweden as a battery, plus the spare power plant capacity of many other nearby countries, when wind and solar outputs are minimal or maximal.

Both countries have the highest HOUSEHOLD electric rates in Europe, the UK is number one,

Industrial rates are kept artificially low to maintain competitiveness.

Europe wants the US to be similarly handicapped, but Trump will tell Europe to go to hell, if he gets elected by a landslide to MAGA by closing the border tighter than a sardine can

Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 3:36 am

Yes, excellent poiint. The UK is indeed very similar. In the UK in 2009 they had 87.3GW of generating capacity which produced 376.8 TWh of electricity.

Moving to wind and solar of around 37.6% of generating capacity by 2020 they had just under 101GW of generating capacity which produced 312.3 TWh of electricity.

An increase of 13.6 GW (15..6%) of generating capacity resulted in 64.5
TWh (17%) less electricity.

You can see how this is playing out. Double demand by forcing everyone to EVs and heat pumps. This gives a peak demand of about 100GW, probably more, up from 45GW today. Then install 75GW of solar, which will yield nothing in January and February. Then build large amounts of wind off the north coast of Scotland (if you can find anyone who will tender). Then pay the operators of this wind not to generate electricity because its too far away from demand in the South East, and is frying the northern grid.

Current total wind is about 29GW, of which about 14GW is offshore. So the aim is to have 40GW offshore by 2030.

The Labour Party expects to be net zero in power generation by 2030. So they will have by then (if they get anyone to bid on offshore generation, which seems unlikely given the failure of the last auctions) around 50GW of wind.

There will come a week or ten days in January or February when there’s the usual blocking high, and this 50GW of wind will produce under 5GW for at least a week. Nuclear and interconnect may give them 10GW.

Where is the other 35GW going to come from? And when the extra demand from EVs and heat pumps raises peak demand to 100GW, where is that going to come from?

To replace conventional dispatchable with wind you need at least ten times as much faceplate, plus lots of storage or gas generation for these week long calms.

Unlike Denmark the UK, being much bigger, cannot count on the kindness of neighbors for the missing 35GW. Or for the much larger gap when EVs and heat pumps kick in.

There are only two options: they blink and install gas, or they have nationwide black start blackouts. That is what is coming to any country that seriously attempts this lunacy.

strativarius
Reply to  michel
April 9, 2024 3:55 am

Where is the other 35GW going to come from?”

My guess is that’s where ‘smart meter’ rationing comes in.

Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 6:40 am

Smart meter switchoff would save the grid from uncontrolled blackout and the subsequent cold start, which would take a week or more to do. But the social effects would be the same, total or near total power outage for most households and businesses. It would be a disaster. And there would still be quite a lot of potential for accidents when turning it back on via a smart meter. Maybe not as difficult as a cold network start, but even so….

Drake
Reply to  michel
April 9, 2024 7:01 am

When true conservatives get control but have not had time to fix the problem, set up the smart meter shutdowns to cut off the power to every news, NGO, politician, government employee, etc. who advocated for the net zero insanity FIRST, every time there is a shortage.

Heck, after a little while, just cut off their power whenever imported power becomes “too expensive” so as to stop increases in rates.

Let them live in the hell they have attempted to create.

After setting this in place, go to the manor houses and confiscate their generators. Let them install them first, if they don’t already have them, just to cost them more. (boy English is a fun language, 4 thems and a they in one sentence)

Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 5:25 pm

And even if we could reach net zero, even that would not be enough for them.”

Australia, according the our government’s go-to scientific organisation the CSIRO, is already net zero.

When I pointed this out to a previous Prime Minister a while ago, his (boiler-plate response) was to disagree with me.

Our current crop of disaster-mongers are also still pushing for net zero, also not realising/acknowledging that we are already there..

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 5:58 pm

All the political parties, except one or two extreme left-wing cults, had promised to work for a 40% reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions by 2030. This was in no way considered controversial.”

It should have been controversial, since it is completely unnecessary, and plain stupid.

1saveenergy
April 9, 2024 2:50 am

UK is trying to be the first to reach nut zero ( to teach Jonny Foreigner a lesson ! ).
The outcome may well turnout like Pol Pot’s Year Zero’;
we will have nothing … but the green elites will be happy.

Reply to  1saveenergy
April 9, 2024 3:06 am

Oh what an excellent point that is.

Reply to  Steve Case
April 9, 2024 7:30 am

A very excellent point that should be made often. Being first to market is good. Being first to eat unfamiliar fungii…not so much. Reflexively striving to be first solely for the sake of being firstest, like they learnt at Eton, is what is about to get us into unrecoverable trouble.

If we’re going to go zero carbon, we should wait to see how the big players do it, see what works, what doesn’t, then follow best practice after the economies of scale kick in. Stand aside. Let Johnny Foreigner have the first bite of the toadstool.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  quelgeek
April 9, 2024 6:01 pm

If we’re going to go zero carbon, we should wait to see how the big players do it, see what works, what doesn’t”

Well, whether it “works” is a matter of perspective. Leftist greens just want to de-industrialize the entire world. For them, it will “work” regardless of what’s required.

For sane people, it shouldn’t be tried at all.

April 9, 2024 3:02 am

But what we do here in Denmark has very little to do with the climate, and everything to do with the profiling of politicians and media talking heads. They want to appear “green” and “woke” and what not – regardless of the costs to the country and common people.

“It could not be simpler,” said the Aztec priests. “We simply cut out beating 
hearts and roll heads down the temple steps … and it rains.” They all believed it.
_____________________________________________________________

After a search, I find that quote is probably from:

Aztecs: Reign of Blood and Splendor (Lost Civilizations)
Dale Brown 1992

Anyway, it’s probably a good read and the quote fits with what is going on
in the western world today.

Boiled down, the message is, “We (you) must sacrifice to save the planet.
(and we remain in power).

Scissor
Reply to  Steve Case
April 9, 2024 4:44 am

Just wait. Sharia law will similarly reduce emissions.

missoulamike
April 9, 2024 3:06 am

The “progressives” are going to turn developed economies into third world economies in no time. In my dotage I keep wondering how long the populace will put up with it and when the guillotines finally come out of storage. Sooner or later it’s going to happen and Klaus and company aren’t going to like it if they are still around.

strativarius
April 9, 2024 3:07 am

Story tip: Criminalising corner.

“The international criminal court (ICC) has been urged to start investigating and prosecuting individuals who harm the environment.

Academics, lawyers and campaigners from around the world have sent expert opinions to the court outlining what they call its current regime of “impunity” for serious environmental crimes.

The comments were made in response to an invitation by the ICC’s chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, who announced in February that his office was developing a new policy paper on environmental crimes.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/26/international-criminal-court-end-impunity-environmental-crimes

If you cannot beat it, outlaw it.
“For instance, it is alleged that chief executives overseeing certain fossil fuel companies have systematically encouraged unsustainable practices in extracting fossil fuels, despite being aware for at least the past 50 years of the detrimental impact of resulting greenhouse gas emissions.”

Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 4:52 am

Amazing to think that 50 years ago- fossil fuel companies had mastered climate science. /sarc

Reply to  strativarius
April 9, 2024 5:28 pm

Why stop at those extracting fossil fuels.

Include users of those fuels so that they get every contributor

Eric Schollar
April 9, 2024 3:10 am

Completely insane. Yet another example of an incredibly expensive and unworkable solution to a non-existent problem. Nothing will stop this theological madness – the cult has spread too far and too deep – in the West, at any rate.

Reply to  Eric Schollar
April 9, 2024 4:52 am

Yes in the West, Russia, China & India aren’t drinking the Kool Aid.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Steve Case
April 9, 2024 8:48 am

In the West? erm….. rethink that.

Eric Schollar
Reply to  Steve Case
April 10, 2024 7:00 am

I was surprised to see that Ethiopia has plans to ban the import of non-EV vehicles. Piles of cash from the West is spreading the theological madness into African elites. Neocolonialism lives!

April 9, 2024 4:08 am

The UK is in a very similar situation since interconnectors to Norway and Denmark came online. My theory is that importing electricity means that the percentage generated by coal, gas and nuclear is reduced and makes good headlines for politicians and the gullible.

The UK has started to use the interconnectors (Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, France) in preference to home based gas in late 2022. At one time the UK exported more than it imported, mainly to France and Holland. The data does include imports and exports excluding Ireland.

Data in GWh (if my calculation is correct)

UK-Grid-Quarterly-data
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 9, 2024 8:41 am

The data does include imports and exports excluding Ireland.

Data in GWh (if my calculation is correct)

Thanks for this, it allowed me to do an “idiot check” — AKA “verification by an idiot”, i.e. me — on my calculations for the GB (not “the UK”, which includes Northern Ireland) grid.

Results attached in the image file below.

Notes

– I use BM Reports (/ Elexon) + ESO (/ National Grid) data, which has 30-minute resolution

– BM Reports = FFs + Nuclear + “Metered WInd” (+ some other stuff, used to calculate “Total demand”)

– ESO = Solar + “Embedded Wind” + Interconnectors (my “ICTs” column, which includes the Moyle and East-West links to the “island of Ireland” grid / EirGrid)

– Usually ESO’s “Embedded Wind” value is around 30 to 35% of the “Metered Wind” number from BM Reports … which probably explains (most of ?) the differences in our “Wind” and “Demand” numbers …

– Our figures are both “in the same ballpark / of the same order of magnitude”, which is comforting.
NB : This does not, however, guaranteed that either of us is doing the sums “correctly” !

GB-grid_1Q2022-1Q2024
Reply to  Mark BLR
April 10, 2024 2:40 am

… of the same order of magnitude …

Correction : For the GB grid, the units for quarterly sums should be [ (tens of) thousands of ] “GWh”, not “MWh”.

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 9, 2024 9:20 am

My theory is that importing electricity means that the percentage generated by coal, gas and nuclear is reduced …

I hadn’t actually considered that, so updated my “monthly sums” file, which goes back further than my “daily sums” one, to check …

The French nukes going down to check for cracks in pipes is clearly visible, from May to November 2022.

I’m not sure there is a consistent correlation between “importing or exporting electricity” and coal / gas / nuclear “percentages of demand” numbers …

GB-Electricity_Percentages_Jan2018-March2024
April 9, 2024 4:41 am
April 9, 2024 4:44 am

“The pellets originate from e.g. North America and the Baltic States, where forests are cut down systematically to cater for the very profitable wooden fuel market.”

FALSE. The forests are NOT cut down to cater for the profitable fuel market. They are managed for multiple products- especially HIGH VALUE timber, pulp for paper, firewood for the local market- and what’s left goes to pellet production. If you cut down a high quality timber tree- you might get 2-3 16′ long logs, if lucky. Then there is always the tops and branches which are a waste product. Also, when intensely managing a forest- they plant more than can survive to maturity- many lower quality trees are removed in thinnings to allow the best specimens to grow into good timber. Lots of such waste wood and SOME of it goes into the pellet market- roughly 3% of the wood cut from these intensely managed American forests. So, the idea that that magnificent mature forests in America are slaughtered to provide pellets for the international market is absurd.

Before this pellet market developed- all that waste wood was stacked in huge piles and burned on site- obviously releasing a lot of CO2 and causing air pollution. Better to burn in a well engineered biomass facility. The forests in the American south are clearcut, planted, thinned and clearcut again when “ripe”. That’s the way it is- regardless of the pellet market. It’s fair to criticize subsidizing biomass power plants in Europe but it’s false to say American forests are destroyed for the pellet market. Yes, of course, Europe should be using coal, nuclear and whatever gas and oil it can produce- but cut the shit with demonizing American forestry industries if you have no clue. Try talking to American foresters first.

One last thing- wood really is a renewable resource. It doesn’t belong being mixed in with the wind and solar industries. In fact, the reality is that the wind/solar nuts hate biomass because their goal is to lock up all the forests to do nothing but sequester carbon. They want to end wood production the same way they want to end all fossil fuels.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 9, 2024 5:37 am

Your point is one that escapes many of the writers of these articles. The only issue I wonder about is what is the amount of CO2 used to collect, pelletize (is that a word?) and transport the wood waste from the US to Europe. Since eventually this biomass will decay and give off CO2, it might actually be “better” from a CO2 standpoint to just burn it on site.

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
April 9, 2024 6:41 am

I’m sure that sort of analysis has been done but I’m not familiar with it. My main concern is getting the undesired trees out of the forest. In the south, they’d “clean up” the site one way or the other because it’s a huge industry- the pellet thing is a sideline. In the north, without a pellet market- the undesired trees will remain in the forest and degrade it. Up here, it’s called “high grading” where they remove the best and leave the rest- most of the forests in the north are severely degraded. The best way to improve many is a nice clearcut and start over. Or if just thinning- to remove truly mature trees and all the “junk wood”. But the enviros have defeated the forest industries up here. Many proposed biomass power plants were stopped cold.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 9, 2024 11:14 am

Mr. Zorzin is absolutely correct. Look at the nearest mature tree, and you will see a main trunk that might be useful for making furniture or construction, but there is usually just as much, or more, mass that is only good for firewood or pelletizing. At the low prices some owners are getting for high quality hardwoods, slash sales may be the only thing that makes a timber harvest profitable.

The intensification of agriculture in the US, the ability to grow so much more on much less ground, has allowed lots of land to revert to forest. In hilly West Virginia the subsistence hillside farms have (thankfully) largely disappeared, some to strip mining but most because they simply weren’t economical. They have been replaced by trees, and they are growing faster than they are being harvested. That doesn’t mean they are inexhaustible, of course, but the danger is not overcutting at this point.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 9, 2024 11:56 am

In Georgia, my friend works for Weyerhaeuser.
He trained as a landscape architect at Yale

He manages tens of thousands of acres on which are grown fast-growing Georgia Pines.

When they are 20 to 25 years old (equivalent to a 40-y-old tree in New England), they are harvested, and ground to sawdust and made into pellets.

Those pellets are shipped to Europe, UK, Netherlands, Germany Denmark, etc, tens of millions of tons EACH YEAR.

The EU/Brussels has declared wood burning as renewable.

The CO2 of cropping, fertilizing, managing/culling, harvesting, then shipping to sawdust/pelletizing plants, then transporting to harbors, then transporting by ship across the Atlantic to EU harbors, then transporting by rail to power plants and finally burning, is far more/kWh than burning coal in highly efficient coal plants;

Ultra-super-critical coal plants are up the 43% efficient, accounting for all losses from gate to HV grid.

The craziness of it all is off the charts

Reply to  wilpost
April 9, 2024 12:06 pm

El Niños, Hunga Tonga Volcanic Eruption, and the Tropics
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption
Also see
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/natural-forces-cause-periodic-global-warming
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EXCERPT
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CO2 and WV Molecules
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CO2 molecules absorb IR photons at four narrow bands of wavelengths, centered on 2.0, 2.7, 4.3 and 14.9 micrometers; the first three have minuscule energy compared to wide bands of WV molecules. See dark areas of Image 11A. CO2 molecules absorb minimal IR photons at frequencies greater than 15 micrometers
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WV molecules have more bands, and those bands are much wider than of CO2 molecules, especially the bands with shorter wavelengths. See dark areas of Image 11A
WV molecules have up to 6 times wider absorption spectrum than CO2 molecules
IR photons with wavelengths from 0.8 to 70 micrometers (except the 8 – 13 micrometer window) are mostly absorbed by H2O molecules.
Each WV molecule can absorb IR photons at these wavelengths, plus WV molecules are far more abundant than CO2 molecules.
WV molecules likely are more energetic than CO2 molecules, because of their absorption of short wavelength/high energy photons. See Image 11A 
The heat of the warmed WV molecules is distributed, by means of mass transfer of energy, and conduction, convection, cloud formation/evaporation, to all molecules in the atmosphere, which mostly are 78% N2, 21% O2, and 1% Argon
That 99.9% neither absorbs nor radiates IR photons. It gets mostly heated by contact with warmed earth surfaces (conduction) and rising warm air (convection)
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CO2 and WV Vertical Profiles
Air contains variable amounts of WV, on average around 1% (10000 ppm) at sea level, and 0.4% (4000 ppm) over the entire atmosphere. The image shows data of two tests:
WV is 11 g WV/kg dry air = 17722 ppm at sea level; 9 g WV/kg dry air = 14500 ppm at 1.6 km.
The WV ppm rapidly decreases, due to condensing/freezing on aerosol particles, water droplets, ice crystals, and cloud formation.
WV/CO2 molecule ratio is about 17722/423 = 41.9 near the surface; 14500/423 = 34.3 at 1.6 km
https://d-nb.info/1142268306/34
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NOTE: CO2 was 423 ppm at end 2023, but in densely populated, industrial areas, such as eastern China and eastern US, it was about 10% greater, whereas in rural and ocean areas, it was about 10% less.
Inside buildings, CO2 is about 1000 ppm, greenhouses about 1200 ppm, submarines about 5000 ppm
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4990
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IR Radiation Near the Surface: IR photons, at all wavelengths, thermalize (transfer their energy) by collisions with molecules, aerosol particles, ice crystals and water droplets near the surface.
IR photons, at appropriate wavelengths, thermalize by absorption by WV and CO2 molecules within 150 m from the surface
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“Warmed” TS Radiation: The “warmed” TS emits IR radiation in all directions:
1) Upwards IR radiation at longer wavelengths, part of which escapes to outer space as below described, and
2) Downward IR radiation at longer wavelengths, outside of CO2 absorption bands, but within WV absorption bands. The other photons thermalize by collision with air molecules, aerosol particles, ice crystals and water droplets.
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IR Radiation at High Elevation: The atmosphere above the TS is transparent to IR radiation (aka atmospheric window), because it has low WV ppm, and CO2 photon absorption is near zero, because photon wavelengths are outside of CO2 absorption bands.
WV is about 3 ppm at 20 km. CO2 is about 390 ppm at 20 km. See below images 
Collision rates are less, due to 1) temperature at about -50 C (223 K), 2) molecules moving slower and further apart.
Collision rates are about 4 billion/s at sea level; 1 billion/s at 10 km; 7 million/s at 70 km
Upward IR radiation from the TS, at long wavelengths, becomes the dominant heat transfer/cooling mode.
The radiation flux, W/m^2, varies with cloud cover. See URL and Image 11A  
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https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-altitude-pressure-d_462.html
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-greenhouse-model-and-co2-contribution

Reply to  wilpost
April 9, 2024 1:05 pm

They aren’t turning ALL the trees to pellets. Well, that might happen on some small amount of acreage- but the goal of most forestry is to produce quality sawlogs because they’re worth a great deal more than pellets. The argument about co2/kWh must also include all the costs to harvest the coal- ripping up a mountain side with heavy machinery- trucking it off the mountain to wherever. To claim a higher carbon footprint for wood is false and certainly once it’s realized that the carbon from the forest is recaptured by the remaining forest- so indeed, so the EU is right.

uh… so your friend trained as a landscape architect at Yale? Well, he shouldn’t be managing forests at all- they should be managed by foresters with forestry degrees.

Gums
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 12, 2024 7:03 am

Salute!

Dunno , Joseph, about the pellet “side show” being very much of an increased carbon footprint unless the process from cradle to grave for those pellets is considered all by itself.

Up here in northwest Florida we have well-managed millions of acres being used to grow and harvest trees. I see the pellets as a “side show” along with particle board and landscape mulch from the saw mills that process the trees for construction boards and even veneer. A beautiful model of getting the most outta the resource and managing that resource well – truly “renewable”, and valuable and essential for modern civilization homes and light industry.

Glad we have at least one forestry savvy blogger here that understands the biology and such of one of our great resources. Thanks for much insight into the truly “green” component of the renewable energy disussion, Joseph.

Gums sends…

Trying to Play Nice
April 9, 2024 5:24 am

Don’t worry about me. I think Europe is a huge vat of mental illness and would never think of doing anything Europeans do.

JC
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
April 9, 2024 8:07 am

Mental illness is a misnomer but I get your point. I prefer bandwagon stupidity to mental illness. You can include Canada, Biden’s US, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, and many others in the power grabbing anti-democratic ‘control the people’ climate/economic revolution.

Coeur de Lion
April 9, 2024 5:52 am

Has anyone involved in climate decisions taken a look at the Keeling curve? Whether you believe the rise in CO2 is natural or Asian coal burning of a bit of either, there is not the slightest smigeon of a chance that the rise will be checked. So give up, Denmark and UK. – you are incompetently chasing a mirage.

JC
April 9, 2024 6:01 am

Wow 1/10 of 1% global impact seems too high for Denmark. Big political impact. Nice political career advancement and income distribution. Truly squat on climate if indeed climate had a problem.

Denmark is a case study in how to take a non-problem and milk it for power and money, even if it is a little power in a tiny country. This sort of new parasitic programmatic grab for money and power is contagious and continues to spread like wild fire. This is especially true for people whose entire parasitic focus is government money. Since lefties don’t like profit, they’re more likely to be focused leveraged government money.

Paul Stevens
April 9, 2024 6:14 am

How many times must the same lessons be learned before the target of these efforts (the living breathing souls that inhabit our planet) toss out the posers and wake up from the hypnotic dream they have been forced into by an endless stream of climate catastrophe propaganda? One picture of a receding glacier exposing the rooted stump of a 16-inch tree trunk from 3,000 years ago should be sufficient to prove the world was warmer within the span of civilization and somehow every animal species and human group managed to survive, and indeed thrive.

observa
April 9, 2024 6:32 am

The Kingdom of Denmark is supposed to be a frontrunner in the struggle against climate change

Hey don’t leave us out! Here in the windmill and solar panel State of South Australia Angela is doing her bit to change the weather with cheap renewables we were all promised-
Customers furious over energy companies time-of-use tariffs | Watch (msn.com)
Angela can consider herself lucky to be transitioned and just needs to get up to pace with having a cuppa only when the sun shines.

PS: Interestingly Angela has a compressed asbestos composite power board with old ceramic fuses and for most the network operator (poles and wires) requires that stuff to go and be upgraded at the consumer’s expense. Also note she has two TOU meters which means she has offpeak electric hot water in which case she won’t want to flick that override switch to peak rate should her element HWS run out of hot water.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
April 9, 2024 11:46 am

From the link: “According to her social media posts, Siddiqa is more than an environmentalist. She unabashedly promotes radical leftist beliefs like abolishing the police, espousing socialist ideals, sharing Marxist-themed and anti-capitalist content while repeatedly denigrating White people. ”

Just think, Joe Biden intends on hiring about 40,000 young people for his “Climate Corp[se]”, and I’m sure he hopes everyone of them is a crazy leftwing radical, just like Ayisha.

All on the taxpayer’s dime.

ColinP
April 9, 2024 8:48 am

sadly the EU countries do not have a choice. the court issued a ruling and lawsuits will force governments to mandate net zero immediately. and as another commenter posted that would be found inadequate and negative targets will proposed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68768598

antigtiff
April 9, 2024 9:37 am

Something is very rotten in Denmark? Soon all Denmarkians will have to move to Greenland…..and become Greenlanders.

Bob
April 9, 2024 4:09 pm

All of this can be summed up with two words, BAD GOVERNMENT. Government does not know better than we do. Government can be led down wrong paths quite easily. Government is not accountable for poor decisions or mandates. Government has no business in any business especially one as critical as energy production and transmission.

Edward Katz
April 9, 2024 5:52 pm

Since Denmark has a population of only 6 million and an area of only 43,000 Sq. km.=16,600 sq. mi., it’s hardly reasonable to hold it as a prime example of emissions reductions/climate control achievements. Let’s see how a mid-sized country with a population of about 50 million and ten times Denmark’s area would fare if it applied the same technologies in trying to regulate the climate. To date, I’ve yet to hear it being done successfully on this planet.

Reply to  Edward Katz
April 10, 2024 5:19 am

Germany demonstrates its failed ENERGIEWENDE every day 1) households have excessively high electric rates, and 2) energy-intensive sectors become increasingly uncompetitive on world markets, plus Germany is going to double its defense budget, as required by NATO, plus Germany continues to “welcome” economic refugees that create chaos, crime, and disorder, while sucking on government programs

April 10, 2024 7:52 am

Recall your Viking past.

Kevin Benko
April 11, 2024 6:55 pm

The weather forecast is only good for about 4-6 hours. So these {Butt-heads} trying to that there is a climate disaster… GIVE ME A BREAK!