Essay by Eric Worrall
h/t observa; There is no path to appeasement – nothing is ever green enough for climate fanatics.
Climate Protestors Thrown Out Of NY Auto Show After Oiling Ford F-150 Lightning
Climate activists protested the New York Auto Show, claiming that EVs don’t do enough to address climate change
by Sebastien Bell
April 1, 2024 at 12:04
- Climate protestors were dragged out of the New York International Auto Show after pouring liquid on the floor and onto an electric Ford F-150 Lightning.
- The group behind the action, Extinction Rebellion, says that EVs don’t do enough to avert a climate disaster.
- The group claims it is not protesting automotive enthusiasts but, instead, the infrastructure decisions that mean millions of Americans have no choice but to buy cars and drive.
Members of the climate activism group Extinction Rebellion were forcibly removed from the 2024 New York International Auto Show this weekend, after pouring what appears to be oil on an electric vehicle, as well as the show floor, while shouting that there are “no EVs on a dead planet.”
The protestors stepped in front of an all-electric Ford F-150 Lightning modified to tackle off-road conditions. The pickup truck had just been rolled out in front of a crowd of people as the auto show opened to the public. While it may seem counterintuitive, the group said it wasn’t protesting automotive enthusiasts, but rather the EV industry.
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“Electric vehicles don’t solve the real problem with cars: wastefully large infrastructure, needlessly complex and resource-intensive construction, and energy inefficiency, even in the case of electric cars,” said Miles Grant, an Extinction Rebellion spokesperson. “Electric vehicles are a popular investment because they don’t disrupt the status quo.”
As a result, the group wants discussions about environmental improvement to include smaller, greener vehicles, and public transportation. CBS reports that the same group protested a performance of the Henrik Ibsen play, “An Enemy Of The People,” on Broadway this month. The play focuses on a man who exposes an unpalatable truth publicly, and is punished for it.
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Read more: https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/climate-protestors-thrown-out-of-new-york-auto-show-oiling-ford-f-150-lightning/#thread__container
My first thought given the publication date, maybe this was an April Fools joke? But there is a video which looks genuine, and the story has been republished on other outlets.
Another video of the same event.
Extinction Rebellion provided the following explanation on their twitter feed:
From Extinction Rebellion’s press release:
… Automobile production-as-usual won’t be possible on Earth if humanity fails to keep global warming below 2 degrees Celsius. If we continue at our current pace of production expansion, there won’t be enough resources to meet car production demand, EV and gas-powered alike.
Construction of an electric vehicle requires immense amounts of resources that are rare and difficult to obtain. Steel, electronics, batteries (and the lithium they contain), and the concrete and asphalt infrastructure cars require, all involve extremely high-emission production. For every EV produced, 900 kg of highly polluting coal-based steel will be used, which will then go unrecycled due to copper contamination from wiring in EVs. The steel industry, already responsible for 11% of global CO2 emissions and over 10% of global resource extraction, is set to triple in size by 2050, with this growth driven primarily by the auto industry.
Lithium mining is also causing disastrous environmental damage throughout the world, as well as human rights abuses. Lithium batteries are not yet recyclable, and their lifespans are short. Swapping out oil extraction for a different extraction is not a net improvement. As with oil, the resources required for EV production are finite.
In Nevada, Thacker Pass (known as Peehee Mu’huh in Paiute), a vast nature preserve, has the largest known lithium deposit in the country and one of the largest in the world. Following a month of nonviolent protests at the site, six activists are facing lawsuits from Lithium Nevada Corporation. This is an attempt to suppress constitutionally protected free speech and protest. In a groundbreaking move for the American legal system, the defense is asserting a biodiversity necessity defense. …
Read more: https://www.xrebellion.nyc/news/no-electric-vehicles-on-a-dead-planet
Extinction Rebellion is absolutely correct that there is nothing green about EVs. Building electric vehicles from high carbon components, extracting Lithium, rare Earth elements, and Cobalt, have all been criticised for their environmental and human rights impacts. When you add that EVs are recharged using mostly fossil fuel supplied electricity, EVs likely do nothing to reduce emissions.
But Extinction Rebellion’s demand for more public transport or smaller vehicles is unacceptable.
Last time I sat on public transport I sat on a puddle of urine, someone wet the seat and didn’t tell anybody, so no thanks to public transport. And of course there is the enhanced risk of encountering a knife or gun wielding junkie on public transport, especially late at night in crime hotspots like New York.
As for small vehicles, small vehicles in rural Australia and pretty much everywhere else are a death trap.
During my recent road trip into the Aussie outback, I hit numerous feral animals, including a feral pig which darted out suddenly. The high speed collision with the pig lifted the left side of my two ton 4WD 30 degrees off the level road. No damage to the vehicle or occupants, thanks to the big shock absorbers and heavy steel armour plating on the underside of my vehicle. But can you imagine what would have happened if I had hit that same animal while driving one of the little death carts Extinction Rebellion wants us to drive? At the very least my road trip would have ended with an extensive stay in hospital.
Even high population density nations like Britain have significant feral deer populations. I never personally collided with a deer in Britain, though I had a few narrow escapes while driving in rural parts of the home counties, an hour’s drive from London. You don’t have to go far outside town to encounter the risk of colliding with large animals. Sometimes, especially when forage is in short supply, large feral animals intrude deep into cities. Those deer I saw in rural areas near London were more than big enough to wreck a normal vehicle, and put the lives of small vehicle drivers at risk.
Of course, Extinction Rebellion protestors themselves appear to be utter climate hypocrites, wearing a heady mix of oil based synthetic clothing to their protest. More fossil fuel was likely used to produce their machine woven synthetic clothing than was contained in the oil cans they poured on the EV.
Until Extinction Rebellion conduct these protests naked, personally divested of all fossil fuel products, I refuse to take their protests seriously. Environmentalists cannot expect others to accept their accusations of hypocrisy, when they themselves stink of that very same big oil hypocrisy.
Let’s see Extinction Rebellion take inspiration from Lady Godiva, the 11th century Noblewoman who started the feminist and workers rights movements by riding through town naked to protest against unfair treatment of the peasants. They should also avoid all use of artificial deodorants, cosmetics and fossil fuel based chemical body products, and only use natural products such as Native American mineral paints extracted by hand from traditional local sources, which they collected in person.
Then nobody will call Extinction Rebellion hypocrites and fools, right?
Can they get any dafter?
Never underestimate the degree to which the left can go “dafter”.
“How much more stupid can we possibly get ?!”
That is the common question asked at klimate kook gatherings!
I’m reminded of the saying:
God put a limit on our intelligence, but no limit to our stupidity.
Never go full daft!
Well
A carbon tax will hurt the economy, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t the right policyhttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-carbon-tax-climate-change/?trk=public_post_comment-text
But given the dawning realisation by the US, Germany and other European governments that Net Zero is a nonsense, a carbon tax is increasingly doubtful.
The biggest threat for a progressive is another even more radical progressive. Somehow you are never progressive enough.
Just look what Scotland has become.
«No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.» Which is why when they get together, it turns out that most of their enemies are their friends and most of their friends are their enemies.
(attributed to Einstein)
Withdrawing my comment.
Redge already provided the Einstein quote.
Know what the Electric Vehicle Association calls Extinction Rebellion?
“SPLITTERS!”
And the Association of Electric Vehicles calls them BOTH splitters!
Judea People’s Front?! We’re the People’s Front of Judeah!
“Enemies of Society”: How the Media Portray Climate Activists
https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/enemies-of-society-how-the-media-portray-climate-activists/
How New Scientist sees them
Eco-anxiety is common around the world, especially among young people, and while the symptoms are the same as anxiety, the way to reduce them is not
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26234852-100-what-is-eco-anxiety-and-how-can-we-overcome-it/
Troubled young souls
I doubt the symptoms other than whining and babbling are the same, but what sort of Big Pharma nonsense this “reduce the symptoms” is? Do not reduce symptoms, cure! Fortunately, ego-anxiety is indeed unlike common anxiety, and most cases seem easily treatable with but a small dose of physiotherapy (using a twig, a whip is only necessary if there are long-untreated complications).
There’s no money for big Pharma in a cure, but plenty to treat ongoing symptoms.
The just a bit different view:
The Dark Side of Environmental Activism
In times of growing concerns about climate change, environmental activism is increasing. Whereas several studies have examined associations between environmental activism and the Big Five personality characteristics, the potential “dark side” of environmental activists’ personality has been neglected. Accordingly, this study examined associations between environmental activism, the dark triad traits (i.e., Machiavellianism, psychopathy, narcissism) and left-wing authoritarianism (i.e., antihierarchical aggression, anticonventionalism, top-down censorship). Data came from 839 employed individuals in Germany. Results showed positive associations between environmental activism and Machiavellianism, narcissism, antihierarchical aggression, and anticonventionalism. Most of these associations remained significant after controlling for Big Five characteristics, demographic characteristics, political orientation, and right-wing authoritarianism. These findings suggest that environmental activism, in addition to its potential positive outcomes, may also have a dark side in terms of activists’ personality.
Right-wing authoritarianism but not left-wing? Both seem just as dark to me.
Right wing authoritarianism is what the left calls dictators that the left don’t want to admit are socialists.
“Right-wing authoritarianism”
Where is there an example of that in the modern world?
It’s only in the sick minds of left-wingers.
That’s redundant.
That’s redundant.
I see what you did there 🙂
I see what you did there
“this study examined associations between”
Writing papers for the sake of writing papers.
Does ‘A’ cause ‘B’ or does B’ case ‘A’ or are both ‘A’ and ‘B’ caused by ‘C’?
Being a power junkie may have adverse effects. Who would have thunk?
If you feel that virtuosity requires you to be an activist, at least make sure you’re activating on an issue that most people can see is worthwhile.
“Action On Climate Change” rates LAST of the 16 life imperatives quantified in the UN “My World” 7-million people survey.
https://about.myworld2030.org/my-world-2015/
“Reliable Energy At Home” and “Better Transport And Roads” rate as 5 & 7 higher priorities for ordinary people than climate change does.
And it only appears on the ‘list because the UN put it there. It wouldn’t make anyone’s OWN list.
Tru dat.
From your linked article –
Do you not see the glaring irony in the authors deploring the use of the terms “realists” and “alarmists” while calling cagw skeptics “deniers” as if that’s a legitimate term of expression?
None of these klimate kooks has ever been able to say what we actually “deny”, that they can produce actual scientific evidence for.
Perhaps the luser would like to have a try… except that means it would have to produce actual scientific evidence.
Lusername seems to have become a drive-by linker, ala griff.
Son of Griff…
There are just too many cool things happening out there.
“There are just too many cool things happening out there.”
And you haven’t pointed to any of them. !
“There are just too many cool things happening out there.”
Agreed,
Record low temperatures around the world,
Large amounts of snowfall,
High levels of sea ice,
Polar bears doing well,
More penguin colonies found;
All since we moved from global warming to global boiling.!!
I don’t know enough about this, but having been here for a while I don’t thing anything will be good enough for this site.
You don’t know anything about basically anything.
Maybe you can crochet… but I doubt it.
You are the absolute epitome of a mind-numbed gullible idiot.
And still trying silly juvenile and petty evasions as a cover-up.
That is no surprise to anybody.
Good excuse for never trying. Which seems to be the only thing you are good at.
To most of those on the left. A tactic is only invalid when it’s being used against them.
Do you not see the glaring irony in the authors deploring the process of “othering” ?
A bunch of ignorant, anti-society, petulant little attention-seekers who are so dumb they have allowed themselves to be conned by the repeated climate propaganda lies and misinformation.
Just like you, in other words.
There is no “climate emergency”
There is nothing wrong with the global climate.
Apart from a slight natural warming from the coldest period in some 10,000 years there is little to no change in any global climate indicators.
If the earth was able to survive CO2 levels of over 5000 ppm, how the heck is a measly 600 ppm going to “kill the planet”?
What would a “killed planet” look like? I’m thinking asteroid belt.
Speaking of daft, here comes loserName.
Care to name these media sources that are calling “climate activists” “enemies of society”.
Even if they were, why the whining, it’s an accurate label.
They don’t like accurate labels.
Not “enemies” of society… “enemas”..
They give everybody the ***ts !
“Enemies of Society”: How the Media Portray Climate Activists
Self centred fantasists is how I think of alarmist scientists.
Sounds suspiciously like a certain username?
Electric vehicles are a popular investment because they don’t disrupt the status quo.
And a car free city is on the agenda.
These people have far more money and time, and net zero sense.
There are dozens of us. 😀
All in need of help.
Most cults have more than dozens as participants, but I guess yours attracts mostly the well-heeled and idle minority cohorts of society.
Being well-paid by Soros et al, is a bonus for them.
It is basically the lowest form of employment available.
Yeah, being paid by soros as member of antifa – any more theories like flat earth or the moon is cheese? 😀
I said “et al”, luser.. don’t you comprehend the English language???
It is well known that the “Stinkies” are funded by another society-hating billionaire, Chris Hohn, a hedge fund parasite and climate activist funder.
Try not to be a Luser all your pitiful life. !!
Et al is latin.
It is a commonly used expression in English usage. I see you are an uneducated loser, mylittlepony.
You have obviously never read any English science papers..
… or any other science papers for that matter.
Otherwise you would know what “et al” means. Adopted into English like so many other words and phrases
There is no possibility of accounting for your abject ignorance.
The Stinkies are also funded by “the Climate Emergency Fund”, same people who support legal cases by climate scammers and con-artists like Mickey Mann.
Funded yet again by another billionaire oil inheritance controlled now by a society-hating grubess who has never done a single days work in her life.
The weak-minded and gullible. !
Wow, dozens! Enough for a consensus.
Educated but ignorant?
I think luser was educated to be ignorant.. !!
Part of the overall far-left plan.
After the protest they got in their SUVs and drove home and turned on the lights and the heat and used plastics, etc. They should be awarded gold medals for their climate hypocrisy.
Seem to have been wearing some oil or gas-derived clothing and shoes as well. These are truly stupid people.
Reminds me of Izzy going to Fiji.
First rule of Army holes: If in one wanting out, first stop digging.
XR just keeps on digging.
It’s not ICE cars that are evil—it’s all cars!
We really need to find a way to publicize the antics and rhetoric of these extremists.
At the same time pointing out there isn’t a single climate alarmist who is willing to speak up against these groups or their goals.
And even if they managed to eradicate the dreaded autos, they woul# be on to protesting the “emissions” from trains next.
These idiots won’t be happy until we’re migrating seasonally to escape the cold on foot.
It’s not ICE cars that are evil—it’s all cars!
Back we go to the horse and buggy days of our ancestors. Be sure to bring a shovel and pail with you.
Buy oats futures.
So back to sturdy shoes (if you’re rich) and walking to the market … that has scant food, on the one day a week that you aren’t toiling in a field to eke some life out of a few plants.
For alarmists and protesters it’s never enough.
Protecting the climate has never been their goal, it’s just the means of achieving their goal.
Those ignoramuses say that Americans (and many other nations) are needlessly car-dependent.
WRONG. We are happily and willingly and wisely “car-dependent.”
Face it, if leftists managed to drag us all back to the horse and buggy days, they’d be upset that we cropped down trees to build the buggies, not to mention how they’d “feel” about us enslaving horses.
Face it, if leftists managed to drag us all back to the horse and buggy days, they’d be upset that we cropped down trees to build the buggies, not to mention how they’d “feel” about us enslaving horses.
And nothing to walk in but bare feet. In other words, keep them on the commune — “easier to control the people.”
A friend here in Texas had her car totaled when she hit a feral pig, and had nasty air bag and shoulder harness bruises. A fairly small Toyota.
Yep, and there is no avoiding the collision. Pigs have got less road sense than cats.
I nearly barreled a big feral boar on the Yeppoon – Byfield “road” in an army landrover on the way to Shoalwater Bay in central Queensland in 1970.
At first sighting I thought it was a black steer wandering across the road.
That big boy strolled across the road like he totally owned it and was challenging me to “give it my best shot”.
I pulled up and waited.
Neo-hippy and his smaller, greener vehicle
“There’s my hut! Left work last night at 5:30pm. I’ll be home in time to shower, eat some tofu, and (since it’s downhill heading into town), be back on the job by 8:30! Wheee!”
(Humorous note: the title of this image is “eccentric guy riding a bike” — Heh.)
Well there is certainly no shortage of nuts in the country!
Read it and WEEP, you fools. Bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaa!
(And, no, you pitiful wretches, the reduction in “Own car” numbers were mostly picked up by OTHER car-type categories.)
Hard to use public transport if none is available. And riding your bike gets you killed by oversized trucks.
Why City Design is Important
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxykI30fS54
Cities for People
https://www.amazon.de/Cities-People-Jan-Gehl/dp/159726573X
People don’t use it when it IS available. Check out, e.g., the Bay Area (San Francisco) and Greater Puget Sound (Seattle-Tacoma). Also, Biden’s higher gas prices (we were a net exporter of petroleum during the Trump administration) caused some of that switching.
Face it, sad person. Americans of ALL races and ethnicities LOVE TO DRIVE! Why? Because Americans love FREEDOM.
Caveat: whenever something is “for the People” it is almost INVARIABLY liberty-killing, private property abolishing, unfree markets, Communism.
“Hard to use public transport if none is available. And riding your bike gets you killed by oversized trucks.”
Then drive a car… that is what they are designed for.
In a wide-spread area like most US cities, you NEED a car, and there is zero purpose for push-bike infrastructure.
If in a crowded ghetto type city.. that’s your choice.
Stop trying to force it onto others.
The problem is the only people who use public transportation are those who have no other choice and the mentally defective.
Which is why the socialists are working so hard to make sure nobody has any other options.
“The problem is the only people who use public transportation are those who have no other choice and the mentally defective.”
That is a bit unfair.
Train from Newcastle to Sydney is pretty good…. albeit a tad slow.
Clean… even the loos, and a whole lot cheaper than driving, and much less hassle than city traffic. (being an “oldie” I can travel down and back for $2.50 on the train.)
Works well if your end location is near a station and you don’t want to travel around while down there, especially anywhere but the city centre.
I did get stuck once getting back from Sydney and had to endure a long-distance bus trip back with some yobos at the back of the bus… put some ear plugs in and enjoyed the scenery.
Even the local Newcastle buses are clean, well maintained…OK so long as your destination and home are near bus stops… Beats trying to find parking on a major event !
But it all depends on where you are trying to get to. You are stuck to places close to bus routes, and lots of waiting time, often without bus shelters.
I definitely would not want to rely on public transport, even if I still lived in Newcastle.
Where I am now… what public transport ?
One bus each way, once a day, and I have never seen anyone on it.
A car is absolutely essential.
That is what inner-city ghetto dwellers will never understand.
And as for the first video.. The guy is a moron using stupid cherry-picked examples
The Houston Texas area he films is a large commercial warehouse area where people go to buy large items.. It is widespread and has plenty of parking.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to walk to or bicycle around that sort of area.
What can you carry home walking or bicycling !!
The suburbs of Houston are actually very well provided with footpaths and bicycle paths, They are usually placed, sensibly, away from multi-lane highways.
You have been conned, and gullibly fallen for the propaganda…. yet again.
Here’s a pic of Houston.. Well catered for with walking and bicycle paths.
They are provided, they can be used, but there is no-one trying to force anyone to use them. They don’t interrupt the vehicular traffic.
That is freedom of choice.
However, walking or bicycling in 90+F temps, 90+ % humidity, is not recommended. Additionally. On my many trips to Houston, the air quality was poor.
I wonder why the air quality is poor…
Luser FAIL… yet again
It isn’t. What the federal government did was tighten the standards to the point that national forests would fail, and then declare a crisis.
Yeah I’ve read that Houston is actually doing a pretty good job with city planning and managing sprawl. The not just bikes YouTube guy is a jerk who is not even liked by the community of the /fuckcars subreddit
The cities already exist. Not at all practical, or economic, to impose new ideas in “City Design”.
The cities already exist.
The rent-a-mobs the Democrats employ will take care of that problem for you.
This “none is available” is but a tip of the iceberg. The cold, hard part under its waterline is that public transport is a type of infrastructure. At very least, it needs bus parks, stops, tweaks in roads and traffic control, training and certification of drivers, mechanics, etc — beside funding, all this needs to be actually organized and made. There needs to be much more when the quirks of theology prohibit using buses. Which is to say, increasing amount of practically useful public transport to the level where it could replace even a quarter of modern car traffic in USA and satellites amounts to building a whole new infrastructure, on the scale of a big city. To do this in the conditions of bureaucratic cancer of Clown World failing to maintain the existing infrastructure would be quite a feat. I will have to see it actually working (not done Potemkin Village style for a few photo sessions at carefully picked spots) to believe this possible at all.
The people who previously used public transport are the most likely to now ‘work’ from home. Transit use is down significantly, due to the dangerous and unsanitary conditions on the buses now.
I for one cannot wait for XR to build their own non-car-dependent town/city to demonstrate how this is all supposed to work…
If you’re not Amish… *NEVER* go full Amish.
They’ll be eating each other in a month.
At least they would be doing their part to reduce the “surplus population”.
It is OKAY for them (XR) to do it, but not the common peasants, you understand.
Wooden Unicycles would not be sufficiently green. The problem is they want the vehicle owners dead, which is the only extinction they are actually concerned with.
the infrastructure decisions that mean millions of Americans have no choice but to buy cars and drive.
The silly goose who wrote that is so dumb he can’t comprehend that NO infrastructure built by third parties can possibly substitute for the choices that people make for their own mobility on their own schedules. Central planning just can’t do it. It’s the central planners who hope to DEPRIVE us of our own planning so they can impose theirs on us. Surrender? NUTS!
Socialist motto:
This time it’s going to work.
Really well said… 🙂
They are trying to force us to their ideas and their schedule..
Trapped in a ghetto of their design.
They can take a hike, and go jump in the lake.
Yes, and that silly goose has, obviously, never been to the Great Plains, the Sierra Nevada or the Rockies. We are all supposed to happily live in “15-minute” cities that have been designed in conformance with all the latest “City Design” concepts.
What about people that can’t drive? Fuck them, I guess?
Do you realize how ridiculous this looks in the context of observable reality? «Not the soda!» indeed.
Until Extinction Rebellion conduct these protests naked, personally divested of all fossil fuel products, I refuse to take their protests seriously. Environmentalists cannot expect others to accept their accusations of hypocrisy, when they themselves stink of that very same big oil hypocrisy.
Thank you. I have posted that thought more than a few times.
I have hopes they’ll actually act on the challenge, I mean we’re challenging a bunch of exhibitionists to become even more outrageous 🙂
Please, we don’t want to see these people naked!
That’s the spirit, hear that XR? It would really upset the WUWT audience if you protest naked 😉
I certainly am hesitant to embrace the idea of seeing Greta naked.
I think I will build a gyrocopter. That way I will not have to sit and idle during rush hour jams.
I thought 1.5°C was the limit. Are the goalposts shifting again? 😉
All of the Holocene Optimum was more than 2C warmer than present, much less than the coldest years of the Little Ice Age.
If we do hit 2 degrees warmer than The Little Ice Age, it will be cause for celebration. But now that we supposedly hit 1.5 degrees warmer and, well NOTHING HAPPENED, they have to move the goalposts and continue whining.
But, but, we’ve now “baked in” disasters for the future.
(\sarc, in case it is needed.)
The so-called “limit” was pulled from the nether region of some klimate kook from the “damn-potty institute for the climate deranged”.
It has absolutely ZERO scientific relevance.
First they made up the 2oC limit. Then, when that seemed too far off to be scary enough, it magically became 1.5oC. Now that 1.5oC is near at hand with no obvious sign that the world is about to end, the 2oC limit makes a comeback. Funny that…
That sums it up nicely.
All those EV 18-Wheelers and cars in California better be painted green or these idiots will block the intersections and hinder the vehicles they dreamed everybody would have!
If they try to force EV trucks, they’ll have to set up a relay station every hundred miles (if they’re lucky) or the whole country will be starving.
“they’ll have to set up a relay station every hundred miles”
Ahh.. just like in the olde west days. !
If you keep up with the news, EV trucks are already happening.
For short shuttle type service. Do try to keep up. !
No-one wants a truck that has a massive down-time for recharge between deliveries.
Still living in a la-la-land of dreams and wishful thinking…
.. that will make absolutely ZERO difference to anything to do with climate.
Trying to force long-haul truckers to use electric trucks will end in disaster for whoever tries to implement this stupidity.
They are happening, and they are failing. Please try to keep up with reality.
Oh yes? Like the one that was found to have no engine, the publicity vid started just after they pushed it at the top of a hill and stopped before it got to the bottom? Got any more scams you’d like us to know about?
You miss their point.. They don’t even want EVS.
All food delivered by horse and cart.. stale and mouldy when it gets to the shops.
But … but … then we’ll be using live ANIMALS!
What will PeTa say??!!??
(Shouldn’t PeTA prefer we use long, long dead animals?) 😎
Wll, I’d still call them fools. Because that’s what they are, even if they ever stop being hypocrites.
At least the XR clowns realize that EVs are no better (nor even as good) as ICE cars. But in demonizing mechanized transportation they are too stupid to realize how many other facets of modern living will vanish if they get their wish.
These sorts of people need to be rounded up and given a one way flight to India and dropped off not in a touristy area but in an ordinary run of the mill city. One with people going to and fro on bikes, scooters, and trikes (and animals) over loaded with passengers and goods. A city where sanitation and healthcare are minimal, where farm and wild animals roam the streets and people crowd together like Times Square on New Year’s Eve. Dirt roads, minimal pavement, little or no AC in buildings, running water in some places but you don’t want to drink it. A place where the average person has a miniscule carbon footprint, to say the least.
Make them live the “dream” they have for the western world for a period of time, say, a few months at least.
Full year. They really need to experience all of the seasons.
I was thinking perhaps a better destination is that new volcanic island off the coast of Iwo Jima
Time to crank up the wind and solar dismantling camps.