From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
“India cannot survive without coal as it has no other options.”
India has committed itself to greater coal-fired generation use ahead of the UN Climate Change Conference in Dubai and is set to voice developing nations’ demands for a greater share of the carbon emissions budget at the Nov. 30-Dec. 12 summit.
India is the world’s third-largest emitter of carbon dioxide after China and the US, with a booming economy driving electricity demand up 9.6% in fiscal year 2023.
“There will be pressure again on those countries who use coal,” RK Singh, minister of power and new and renewable energy, said Nov. 6. “Our point of view is that we are not going to compromise with the availability of power for growth.”
Public sector power companies are constructing about 27 GW of thermal plants — almost all coal — but this is insufficient, according to Singh. The country needs “at least 80 GW” of new capacity to meet future demand, he said.
India generated 149.66 TWh of electricity in September, of which 108.70 TWh, or 73%, was coal-fired, data from Central Electricity Authority showed. The coal-fired figure was up 17% year on year.
S&P Global Commodity Insights forecasts the share of coal-fired generation in India’s power mix will rise to 77% by 2025 before falling to 71% in 2030 and 52% by 2050.
“India cannot survive without coal as it has no other options,” said Rashika Gupta, research and analysis director at S&P Global. “Nuclear and hydro take a decade to build, gas is not available, and LNG is very expensive. India’s forte has always been coal — it knows how to operate it, and there is indigenous capacity to build it.”
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When production slowed down, and fewer people drove emitting less CO2 in 2021 because of COVID-19, the CO2 kept rising at the same rate as before COVID-19.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/
Is that because natural emissions and sinks dwarf man’s output? If so any cost incurred in trying to reduce our output is wasted and worthless.
Or is it because the shutdowns for Covid were too small to have any detectable impact. If so then any meaningful action must involve the whole world acting together to inflict more restrictions than Covid then on everybody, and not just for a year but forever and ever like a boot stamping on your face for all time. Which is politically impossible in the democratic west and near certainly doomed if tried by a totalitarian dictatorship too.
COP28 will conveniently ignore this truth.
BTW: I was the very first person to notice the lack of impact of Covid on Mauna Loa. I put it on the website in a comment.
One study in Asia found that during the beginning of COVID-19, local CO2 emissions went down by about 10%, yet world CO2 measurements kept going up at the same rate. I’ve lost the link so I can’t post it.
Per the 2020 census, the population of the island of Mauna Loa was 435 people. I guess they all happened to be wearing their masks in just exactly the right way and at exactly the right times . . . or was instead that they prohibited all travel onto the island?
I meant the Mauna Loa atmospheric CO2 data.
Surprised you misunderstood that.
Thanks! This should be on a billboard where those airheads are gathering in Dubai.
“India cannot survive without coal” is a refrain from all countries striving for a better life, outside of the myopic west.
Rest assured, countries like Australia that claim to be approaching net zero, while they are simultaneously exporting fossil fuels exceeding co2 emissions over what they use, will happily feed their growth.
Lucky for us, co2 is plant food!
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From today’s Telegraph – this is why neither India nor China are making any effort to get to net zero. Meanwhile UK politicians are walking the country over the cliff in a state of waking dreaming.
Britain’s gas network has already hit full capacity as renewable energy fails to generate the power needed to heat the UK’s homes.
Freezing temperatures mean energy demands have soared in recent days, but low winds mean output at wind farms has plunged, according to data from National Gas and National Grid, making the UK reliant on gas for up to two-thirds of its electricity this weekend.
However, Jon Butterworth, chief executive of National Gas, said demand from gas-fired power stations would be “maxed out” from today through much of the weekend.
He said the weather event should be a reminder of the importance of fossil fuels as to global policymakers attend the COP28 climate summit in Dubai.
Mr Butterworth said: “It’s really important they recognise that although we’ve got to decarbonize, energy security is also vital. And when you’re in a world of interruptible renewable energy, our security is massively important.
The more we build up our reliance on wind and solar power, which can be disrupted by the weather, the worse the risk becomes.”
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National Grid ESO, the grid operator, said households would be paid to turn down their energy usage on Friday for the second time this week between 4.30pm and 6pm as part of efforts to preserve power.
ESO was also preparing to import electricity from other European countries, to be delivered by the half-dozen interconnector cables between the UK and the Continent.
Have a look at today real time:
Live generation data from the Great Britain electricity grid – Energy Numbers
but also check out last few days and last month hour averages on gridwatch:
Wind power production
This is one of these regular UK winter occurrences, the blocking high which leads to calms. In the present case 28GW of wind installed is delivering less than 5GW for days on end.
The choice for the UK is very simple. Either build more gas, now. Or persist with the Net Zero plans, which are to rely on wind in the winter while doubling or tripling demand by moving everyone to EVs and heat pumps.
And then have blackouts, both local and nationwide, several times a year.
The COP 28 hypocrisy was in full flow as the UK prime Minister used a private jet to go to the meeting. His Minister responsible for energy policy delivery he also flew in to Dubai Cop 28 in a private jet but not the PMs. Not to be out private jetted the King, Charles III also flew in by a different private jet.
Not sure if Ema Thompson is attending but look out for her private jet if she is, She advised hen party goers, they should consider only flying to Europe for their jolly fun rather than NY, in order to reduce air pollution from flying.
I suggest we have all their private jets converted to “green” electricity fueled batteries for the return trip.
“It’s really important they recognise that although we’ve got to decarbonize”
Perhaps Mr Butterworth would care to explain why.
Because he loses his job if he omits to say it.
Not only has the gas network hit full capacity but it has also had to call on Centrica to supply gas from its Rough storage facility in the North Sea. UK has a pitifully small storage of gas, Rough only able to store 12 days worth. Compare this to Germany (80 days), France (103 days) and the Netherlands (123 days)
I have seen this type of post, about storage capacity in the UK, repeated multiple times the last couple of days.
The point being missed is that the UK, with massive available natural gas “fields” being unexploited, unlike the other countries mentioned, should not need storage of any great extent because is should have sufficient supply continuously available.
Correction. Total UK gas storage is 12 days . Rough itself only has 6 days worth.
Most of the households that want an EV and can afford one already have bought one, they are piling up at dealerships.
More than 3,000 auto dealers sign letter opposing Biden’s electric vehicle mandatehttps://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/3000-auto-dealers-sign-letter-opposing-bidens-electric-vehicle-mandate#:~:text=A%20coalition%20of%20more%20than,electric%20vehicle%20(EV)%20push..
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What is this argument being advanced by India that it must use coal to survive? Have they not realised survival is not important? Saving the planet is what is important….apparently The destruction of all effective energy options is what is necessary to save the planet. The UN has made that very clear. The future of energy is defined, i.e. there will be no more access to low cost readily available energy. The days of muscle power and slave labour is upon us. That is the way the wind is blowing, (or not blowing if you are in the UK at the moment)…
So those sensible Indians have realised that there is no likelihood of any relief from Solar and Windmills, and would prefer to take their chances of securing some of the promised cash from more advanced countries! Shame that those countries have spent so much of their wealth on building Solar and Windmills for themselves that their cupboards are now bare!
Now that’s what call a COPout – vol 28
There seems to be a tendency for the BRICS countries to do one thing while trying to stop “western” countries from doing the same. This alliance is starting to appear downright dangerous, especially as regards the situation in Israel and Gaza. The spewing of plant food into the atmosphere excepted.
It is not a political alliance, and the economic cooperation is not directed against anybody.
Rather, they try to make investment in their own future their own business, rather then let the West control it. Anything wrong with it?
What happens in Gaza and Israel has nothing to do with BRICS.
Do you mind substantiating how BRICS countries are trying to stop any western country from using coal, together or individually?
Sure. BRICS has extended an invitation to Iran to join BRICS, based on the stated objective of Iran to destroy the USA, along with the alliance being able to market Iranian crude in defiance of International sanctions. Iran continues to supply Russia with drones that are killing innocent Ukranian citizens, and to supply Hamas et al with rocket construction materials. The large rockets the Houthis have launched at USA Naval assets are supplied by Iran. Finally, do you support Hamas terrorists crossing into Israel and killing women and children then returning to Gaza and hiding behind Palestinian women and children?
Standard Marxist philosophy is that if someone is wealthy, they stole it from the poor….the poor are justified in forcefully taking their wealth back.
The possibility that the rich got their money providing goods and services the population was willing to pay for, never enters their mind.
That is a bit hard to accept when you consider U.S. drug prices :<)
A mostly hot country like India isn’t worried about “warming” no reason we should be. Meanwhile, another friend of mine is moving from VT to FL, not to Canada.
Many more people are moving from Ohio to the South than are moving to Ohio from the South.
Several of my friends bought in Yellowknife, Yukon….oops sorry, now they are telling me they bought in Phoenix
The Asian elephant in the COP room.
India needs continuous and uninterruptable electricity, not occasional electricity generated from wind and solar.
Wait, I thought wind and solar were now “cheaper than coal”. Maybe someone should tell them.
Good for India to have elected leaders who care about and feel responsible for the welfare of their people. Perhaps Wealthy Western nations should take a lesson from Indian voters.
The rich people who own the media, the politicians through campaign contributions, and the universities through their grants are planning on making trillions from so-called
“climate change.”
All nations can have affordable, reliable and available energy supplies if they make good decisions. None can control the climate/weather no matter their wealth or perceived cleverness. They can only make themselves more immune to natural hazards by establishing energy security.
I still cannot get over the idea of 70,000 attendees, and the thousands more attending to them. Will COP29 break 100,000?
Of course they have a right to increase energy production, just as does every other country.
“Our point of view is that we are not going to compromise with the availability of power for growth.”
— RK Singh, India’s minister of power and new and renewable energy,
Say bye-bye to the Paris Agreement (aka Paris Climate Accords) of 2015, an international agreement with “pledges” by the signatory countries to limit future CO2 emissions as a means to “restrain global warming”.
India signed the Paris Agreement on October 2, 2016.
None but fools really thought the Paris Agreement was anything but a farce.
Name one country that has heavily invested in renewable energy that hasn’t either experienced an energy shortage or came close to it. India isn’t stupid.