From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-path-to-zero-emission-vehicles-by-2035
The Government’s Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) mandate specifically refers to motor manufacturers – though there seems to be some ambiguity between “sold” and “produced”.
However there is no information provided as to how non-UK manufacturers will treated, and how foreign companies could be forced to meet the mandate under UK law. I there FOId the DfT, and they sent me this response:
So, as I suspected, there is no way the Government can actually enforce its mandate with non-UK manufacturers.
Suppose BMW missed its target by 50,000 cars. At £15000 per car, that’s a penalty of £750 million – which they clearly are not going to pay, no matter how much the Government huffs and puffs.
And if the Government attempted to restrict market access, I suspect there would be an almighty row with the EU. It is one I also suspect the Government would lose in the European courts.
This is particularly relevant given that German manufacturers are hoping to continue focussing on ICEs, now that the EU has an exemption for “zero carbon fuels”.
But also note this section:
It would be easy for European manufacturers to bypass the mandate, simply by pre-registering cars for 3 months before exporting them. By doing so, they would easily undercut domestic manufacturers, who would have to include the cost of the mandate in the price of their ICEs.
It seems naive in the extreme for the Government to just assume that BMW, Renault and all the rest would willingly cave in to UK demands. But that just about sums up the whole lunacy of Net Zero.
Maybe legal beagles out there might check my logic and see if I’ve missed anything.
Stop fantasising climate changers as pollies are always sniffing the wind and into saving their ass-
Dem governor withdraws electric vehicle mandate in stunning blow to environmentalists (msn.com)
Interesting- this happened in CT but we’re no where near such a withdrawal in Wokeachusetts- which is so fanatic I’ll bet what happened in CT is never seen in any media here.
When every state around them rows back on EV’s and the wokerati of Wokeachussetts have to harness horses to theirs to get around, they might have to cave.
We have to get rid of the feministas that run the state.
A bit like Califooolia expecting all the USA to cow-tow to its petty anti-science agendas.
There’s no such thing as a ZEV: batteries have to be charged from somewhere. Even wind turbines and solar panels emit CO2. Emissions are merely moved to someone else’s back yard.
Wokeachusetts brags about being the most energy efficient state- now that it’s exported most of its industries to China and Mexico and others- so that we import everything- it’s as if we are no longer responsible for those carbon emissions- not that I think carbon is a problem- it’s just this bragging by the state that ticks me off. I point this fact out to some state politicians and some agencies but of course they ignore me.
The “kumbaya, feel-good Green”, religion, propounded by the heavily subsidized Net Zero nuts, who usually know nothing about engineering and energy systems, and yet, they have all sorts of energy system opinions they talk about to each other and the Media, but that engineering professionals find off-the-charts non-sensical.
This article shows using batteries for storing one day of electricity used in New England is prohibitively expensive.
BATTERIES IN NEW ENGLAND?
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/batteries-in-new-england
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EXCERPT:
Currently, the variable output of wind and solar is counteracted by fossil-fired, CO2-emitting, quick-reacting power plants. Some people want to replace such power plants with large-scale battery systems to reduce CO2 emissions.
This article presents an analysis that shows, using such batteries systems for counteracting, and storing electricity, even for one day, has a very high owning and operating cost, even with 50% subsidies.
NE has variable weather conditions, with frequent periods of very little wind, even offshore, and very little sun, which means wind and solar power is highly variable throughout the year.
This analysis shows the cost of battery systems, if they were used to store electricity, even for a W/S lull of one day.
In this analysis, we ignore hydro, for simplicity.
As part of our analysis, we assume, at some future date:
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– CO2-emitting power plants will be shut down, such as fossil fuel, wood burning, refuse burning, etc.
– Nuclear plants, once shut down, will not be replaced
– Hydro plants, about 7% of NE annual generation, will remain.
– Wind and solar installed capacity, MW, will be sufficient to provide 100% of average daily demand each day of the year.
https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix
A Wind/Solar Lull Lasting One Day in Winter in New England
If such a W/S lull occurs, batteries will make up the electricity shortfall
Yep, always refer to them as “ZEHV”, for Zero Emissions HERE Vehicle.
These are Emission Elsewhere Vehicles.
Since transporting EVs is becoming more and more an insurance liability.. all these EVs will have to be made in the UK anyway.
And they won’t have the manufacturing capability unless they start to re-embrace coal.
To do with eleckrickery = the UK is hanging by a thread right now
The Germans/French/Dutch/Belgians are all wanting their electricity back, the sun ain’t shining, wind has stalled and demand has skyrocketed, even without any electric cars or heat pumps (worth talking about)
As attached, feel feel to point/laugh/smirk/buy candles
Nice site. But actually at 6GW wind is doing reasonably well at the moment. In the real dips it falls well below 1GW for a day or two. You get charts of the fluctuations at gridwatch.
What you see from your site is that the choice is real simple: its CCGT or blackouts. You are right about interconnects too. Paul Homewood has a piece up about Germany. Heat pumps and car chargers to go on smart meters so they can be dropped when there is a shortage of power. Which moving to wind guarantees there will be.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/11/30/ev-chargers-heat-pumps-may-be-curtailed-in-germany-as-of-2024/
This morning around 9am, demand was at 40GW, of which gas supplied 63%, Nuclear 12%, wind 6.5% and solar 0%.
I think you mispelled “electrickery“.
End of the UK car industry. Ir will all be imports
But EVs will not be able to be transported , because of insurance costs and liabilities.
That industry currently employs almost 1m people, accounts for 10% of total UK exports and £77 bn of trade a year according to the Society of Motor Traders and Manufacturers (SMMT). Are politicians stupid enough to destroy it?
Sigh! Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)
Are politicians stupid enough to ….
…the answer is always .. YES !!!
And it would be just as easy for the UK Government to extend the mandate from three months to six or 12 months. A costly fight with no winner.
I think they already risk being in breach of WTO rules on trade.
Don’t worry. The Chinese will have plenty of companies that meet the EV percentage numbers. The vehicles will be garbage, but the elites don’t care what the slaves drive.
Just an excuse for more laws across more of the world. We’ve all been watching this unfold for a long time and that is the political momentum. Science is malleable in politics and emotional perception.
As usual, California has already led the world on this issue. CA had a 10% EV mandate for the year 2000. GM even spent a couple $billion on manufacturing them. When 2000 hit, no one would buy them, or even lease them, even for ridiculously low rental rates. CA solved the problem, by simply changing the law. GM proceeded to go bankrupt.
This all presumes the UK can fund itself to regulate and mandate others by then.
Just imagine the brains behind the idea we can just regulate new technologies into existence. Might as well try to create unicorns by wishing they were real. Cost us all less, too.
I don’t understand what problem you think there is here (aside from the UK producing enough electricity to charge the EVs).
The response you quote from the government clearly explains that the mandate is WRT UK sales. So each year, X% of the vehicles BMW sells in the UK will meet the mandate. There is about zero possibility of BMW “missing” the target. They will jack up the prices of ICE cars to balance supply and demand.
BMW sells about 100k vehicles in the UK each year, so in 2030 they’ll sell 80k EVs and 20k non-EVs. If it turns out there’s just no way UK consumers will buy 80k EVs, then BMW will jack up the price of ICE cars to cover the fines (probably as a line item on the window sticker).
But some people like EVs already–they’re likely to improve over the next 7 years.
Tariffs on imports for their “future” emissions are a very real possibility.
There’s no such thing as a Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV). These are Emission Elsewhere Vehicles.
And now that Consumer Report claims that EVs are 80% more likely to have reliability problems than gas/diesel types, sales of the former, which are already declining, are guaranteed to drop even more.
More proof that government is the problem not the solution. Western governments need to be whittled down to size. They are bloated, inefficient, non responsive and worse yet out of control. I suspect that government could be cut in half and we would be better off.
8 out of 10 cars made/assembled in the UK are exported, including lots of Nissan Leafs. There is no explanation of how this affects the arithmetic.
Imports frequently sit for months on one lot or the other.
EV manufacturers had their cars sit for quite a few months on various dealer lots, while government kept telling them to sell EVs.
It’s one of the reasons Ford took so long to wake up as Ford underlings kept shuttling EVs to different dealer lots. Until the dealers threatened to ban EVs from their lots.