Essay by Eric Worrall
Handout seeking dictatorships are furious rich nations once again refuse to hand over funds with no strings attached.
Climate ‘loss and damage’ talks end in failure
Paris Sat, October 21, 2023
A crucial meeting on climate “loss and damages” ahead of COP28 ended in failure Saturday, with countries from the global north and south unable to reach an agreement, according to sources involved in the talks.
The agreement to set up a dedicated fund to help vulnerable countries cope with climate “loss and damage” was a flagship achievement of last year’s COP27 talks in Egypt.
But countries left the details to be worked out later.
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The failure “is a clear indication of the deep chasm between rich and poor nations”, Harjeet Singh, head of global political strategy for Climate Action Network International, said in a statement to AFP on Saturday.
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Read more: https://www.thejakartapost.com/business/2023/10/21/climate-loss-and-damage-talks-end-in-failure.html
Going by the steady, unbroken rise of atmospheric CO2 measured by Mauna Loa observatory, none of the money spent on climate conferences or the trillions of dollars spent on CO2 reduction measures to date have had any noticeable impact on global CO2. There is zero chance the hundred billion dollars per year recipient nations want will have an impact.
It is time to call an end to the charade and futility, time to cancel all future COPs, and stop this pointless waste of taxpayer resources once and for all.
Is anyone here surprised?
Not even the tiniest amount.
There is zero chance that 7000 people will give up on the annual party.
Defund the COPs!!
Yep: Net Zero finally attained!
Let Iran or Afghanistan have a go at hosting, I mean what’s the worst that could happen, right?
I can’t imagine the mythical climate crisis is high on the Talibans to do list
So….if those promised billions are not being delivered, where have they gone? because taxpayers are currently being rinsed for them
How much does each COPfest cost? The lavish food, copious drink, the ‘entertainment’, the transport, the venues and the whole setup, even before you take into account the amounts for ‘greasing the skids’.
Apparently the ladies of the night see an increase in business as well. I mean who wants to sit around just talking about climate matters all day?
We are CO2, we cannot be abated, persistence is futile.
the vast majority of CO2 in the atmosphere is naturally occurring and there isn’t anything that can be done about that – so removing the tiny amount due to transportation and industrial activities (something like 1 one one hundredth of the composition of the atmosphere) has no impact on anything let alone something so complicated as the climate
2030 vision:
In the next decade we have harnessed the power of the people to keep global warming to 1.5ºC and have brought about the transformational change in our societies and economies that ensures equity and justice; poverty eradication; sustainable livelihoods; and the protection of the rights of nature.
Yet another global collectivist group think activist radical green organisation that should be eliminated.
It’s the poverty eradication that jumps out. Is that the eradication of poor people or are they simply going to change the measurement so that everyone other than the elite will be classed as the poor. The good book says the poor will always be with us.
“harnessed the power of the people” – – – What a pile of bs!
Translation: ‘fleeced tax-payers’
Exactly — Harnessed the power of taxpayer funded nutty green government subsidies! – We need to get as much as we can before the lights go out..
High aspirations, but they obviously have never studied human nature. It is not possible for all the population to be homogenous.
Does anyone have link to a graph(s) of the CO2 rise against measured temperature?
Same chart, but adds global temperatures.
https://medium.com/@ghornerhb/heres-a-better-graph-of-co2-and-temperature-for-the-last-600-million-years-f83169a68046
Shows that there simply is no correlation between CO2 levels and global temperatures.
In the words of Greta Thunderstorm, “How dare You!”
“Greta Thunderstorm”
What she has been eating curried egg again?
So more H2S, CH4 and CO2 Shame…
Greta Thunderface is, I believe, her first nation name!
All greenass gases…
Greta is currently working towards her activist ‘most wanted’ badge
Yeah. And if she supports Hamas like these other stupid leftist, it should be her ultimate downfall.
From the attached article:
“A series of talks held this year have tried to tease out consensus on fundamentals like the structure, beneficiaries and contributors — a key issue for richer nations who want China to pay into the fund.”
But, but China is defined as a developing country under IPCC and I suspect COP thus with its own stupidity there is no way China will fork out any cash.
True but it’s not a bad gambit if you want to derail the money grab argument – puts the ball back into China and India’s court.
For a deeper dive into the complexities of this gambit, there is another more in depth report as well analyses of the impediments.
https://rclutz.com/2023/10/22/climate-loss-and-damage-fails-again/
Would Harjeet Singh be that same bloke who rings me every second week concerned that my car assurance is not up to date (have I got a deal for you). Or that other Singh who wants me to ‘invest’ in criptos (have I got a deal for you). Or the idiot Singh who has some spare solar panels just for me (have I got a deal for you).
Maybe (have I got a deal for you) Wolld Harjeet Sing should try to get a real job. He could analyse hundreds of Australian weather station datasets like I do at http://www.bomwatch.com.au, or just bugger-off.
All the best,
Dr Bill Johnston
wsww.bomwatch.com.azu
Lost the Edit function:
All the best,
Dr Bill Johnston
wsww.bomwatch.com.azu
Should read
All the best,
Dr Bill Johnston
http://www.bomwatch.com.au
Just £3 per month can help keep my abode going…..
Give generously. /sarc
The idea, a group of state funded money grubbers i.e. tax payer funded COP attendees, would desire or push for the cessation of their annual expenses paid two week fly away jolly, is the ultimate ‘turkeys being asked to vote for an early Christmas’ situation.
The number of those attending COP28 is reported to be around 70,000 yes, seventy thousand.
How anyone could describe that horde as ‘a conference’ does not understand the meaning of language.
We must be getting close to the stage in the evolution of the climate crisis religion, where devotees feel an obligation to present themselves at the annual pilgrimage to COP.
“”How anyone could describe that horde as ‘a conference’ does not understand the meaning of language.””
It’s mass hysteria
Nothing more than a big ‘gimme’ conference. Damn leeches.
The $100 billion a year is separate from loss and damage which is estimated by the UN to be in the trillions, not billions. No way we will pay so it is symbolic at best.
The symbolism was in the offer, accepting and asking for more was jolly bad form.
It was a flagship achievement for sure; just without a flag, ship, or achievement.
Fundamental question: What loss and damage?
What has been lost?
What has been damaged?
“Enquiring minds want to know.”
Yes, and how is that damage connected to CO2?
That CO2 connection should be established first before we pay any damages.
To date, no connection between CO2 and the Earth’s weather has ever been established.
The cart before the horse, again.
Especially when even the UN IPCC corrupt bureaucrats have been forced to admit that extreme weather events are not increasing.
“Loss and damage” is any adverse impact on (assumed) poor people (in UN-calculated dollar terms) caused by normal weather extremes. It especially covers for government incompetence and corruption in causing such damages.
Are these elitist, private jetting climate celebration parties reminiscent of the parties on another infamous Island, or just a modern day Tupperware event based on Davos, where pecking orders are established purely by how big your jet is?
Well … isn’t it Copulation Of Parties ?
;0
They are really “copulated up”. 😉
Of course it failed. There is no loss or damage to be compensated. Except in the minds of those groveling for other people’s money.
Frankly, I could do with a bit more of the grovelling, and a bit less of the petulant demanding.
“COP” should really stand for Climate-Organized Party since it:
— only benefits the wealthy attendees, who reside/meet in opulent settings and have meals & drinks & entertainment (paid by their governments or industrial sponsors) that 99.9999% of the world’s population could never afford
— only results in public proclamations and useless paper
— never results in meaningful policy change in any country, only the promise of wealth redistribution
— is permanently flawed in discussing topics that are incompatible with the best science related to paleoclimatology and the clear absence of any current “climate emergency” or “climate catastrophe”
27 past COPs and the organizers haven’t yet recognized (or have intentionally overlooked) these facts . . . yeah, let’s go for number 28!
Just to add to the first chart:
Due to the eruption of the Mauna Loa Volcano, measurements from Mauna Loa Observatory were suspended as of Nov. 29, 2022. Observations from December 2022 to July 4, 2023 are from a site at the Maunakea Observatories, approximately 21 miles north of the Mauna Loa Observatory. Mauna Loa observations resumed in July 2023.
Monthly Average Mauna Loa CO2
September 2023: 418.51 ppm
September 2022: 415.91 ppm
Last updated: Oct 05, 2023
Aha, site change – increase the measurements!
Might I suggest that the wealthy developed nations don’t owe the poor ones a damn thing due to climate change and CO2 emissions. Why?
Rising CO2 Improves Crop Yields 3% Per Year – Critical To Feed The World – Climate Change Dispatch
“The elevated CO2 fertilization effect is driving global greening trends, pushing back deserts, enhancing photosynthesis by 30 to 50%, improving water use efficiency, and boosting crop yields by about 3% every year since 1961.”
and…
“Another new study documents a 30 to 50% increase in photosynthesis with elevated CO2 (eCO2, 451 to 720 ppm) and a ~25% increase in crop yield. The authors cite results indicating grain yield may increase 54% when CO2 concentrations rise from 400 to 700 ppm.”
How much have the emissions of the wealthy nations contributed to the increase in crop yield of the poor nations who are demanding handouts here? What has the monetary value of those increased crop yields been over the years and decades?
The poor nations need to concentrate on economic development instead handouts from the wealthy nations unless they want the money for development. If it is the latter, they should just say so and never mind climate change.
You touch on the Social Benefits of Carbon, which appear to have been overlooked or consciously ignored in the calculations of the “Social Cost of Carbon”.
https://www.therightinsight.org/Social-Cost-of-Carbon-2023
Isn’t it interesting how we are told about the Social Costs of Carbon and not so much about the Social Benefits of Carbon? Talk about being one-sided.
The UN is worthless, we need to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. It is nothing more than a money sink, there are dozens of better ways to spend our money.
Considering the frequent poor results of foreign aid to the developing world in the first place and the even worse one when the money goes to autocracies, it’s no wonder the wealthier nations are balking at throwing good money after bad. Even if those Third World countries use the money for climate action, they are are more likely to use it to build fossil fuel plants of one sort or another and actually increase their emissions. That’s a best-case scenario because at least they’ll be increasing the energy supply to their populations. Just as likely is one where the autocrats in charge just beef up their bank accounts and buy more arms for their security forces to keep them in power.