h/t J Boles, PJ Media; “… humanity is inexorably threatened by humanity itself …”. John Kerry speech 24th August, with fun annotations to hilight his ridiculous mistakes.
Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry at the Scottish Global Dialogues in Edinburgh, Scotland
Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for inviting me to share some thoughts with you today. Mark Muller Stuart, I am especially grateful for your role in making this possible, and thank you to the Signet for hosting.
First Minister Humza Yousef: thank you for your generous introduction.
And thanks to all of you for taking time away from the frolicking of the festival and for having the common sense to use the Signet Library as a refuge. I see a number of familiar faces…It’s great to be among friends, both old and new.
I was reading the lineup at the Fringe Festival: death-defying acrobats, famous actors, side-splitting comedians, clowns…It’s like being back in American politics.
It is particularly appropriate to be here in Scotland where, less than three hundred years ago, from Hutton to Hume, groundbreaking thinking contributed to the enlightenment not just of a country or continent, but of civilization itself.
It was here that James Hutton first found in the exposed rock face of Jedburgh, scientific proof visible to the naked eye of the transition from ocean bed to land, back to ocean bed, and finally evidence of the land he could see and experience and which we still treasure today.
In so doing, he may well have been the world’s first climate scientist.
The Enlightenment transformed thinking to win acceptance of the principle that science-based evidence, not vested power promulgating its own tradition, is the foundation of the laws of the universe. It won broad acceptance for the notion that any theory should be established by observation and that hypotheses should be tested against the evidence.
Hutton, David Hume and Adam Smith were not alone.
Across the sea, in 1755, an earthquake flattened Lisbon, set it aflame, and then caused a massive tsunami that swept the Tagus (TAH-Gus) River into the city, killing more than 40,000 people.
The ruling order said there was only one explanation as there had been for every earthquake or flood that preceded it: divine retribution for earthly pride and sin.
But Voltaire stood up and argued that science and evidence proved that nature’s hand, not the hand of a vengeful God, was responsible for the movement of the earth’s crusts and that if we studied the earth’s plates, we might avoid future massive loss of life. His advocacy triumphed in a principal debate of the day.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, in 2023, we again stand on the precipice where Hutton and Voltaire once stood.
Despite a vast array of empirical facts beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt, despite thousands of scientists’ lifetime work accumulating hard data, and without a single piece of peer reviewed, documentation to the contrary, we are again witnessing another moment in which the persuasive force of evidence and with it, earth’s future hangs in the balance.
All because some extremist political voices, holdout nations, and vastly vested interests have declared war on facts and science. All because they distort for political or personal gain what science and common sense dictate we humans must do to put our house in order. These interests would choose a destructive status quo over the opportunity to build a clean energy economy which can rescue our future, put millions of people to work and leave us all safer, stronger, and more secure.
Without facts or economics on their side, they flatly deny what is happening to our planet and what we must do to save it.
They incite a movement against what they falsely label “climate change fanaticism,” as they conveniently forget that the dictionary definition of a cult is the dismissal of facts in devotion to a lie.
While they refuse to accept the facts behind the increasingly obvious damages of the climate crisis, they lash out at the truth tellers, and label indisputable evidence as hysteria.
They compound the already difficult challenge of the climate crisis by promising to do more of exactly what created the crisis in the first place.
So now, humanity is inexorably threatened by humanity itself—by those seducing people into buying into a completely fictitious alternative reality where we don’t need to act and we don’t even need to care.
But just as clearly as Hutton could see in the layers of the rock face, Mother Nature is now sending an ever more desperate distress signal about the coming catastrophe as community after community, event after event confirms the excruciating spread of threatened and even uninhabitable places.
In Iraq, in the home of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers which I remember as a school kid learning was the cradle of civilization, a recent article quoted a science teacher who stated: “Nowhere has water…Everyone who is left is ‘suffering a slow death.’” Just consider the scene: waterless, unlivable villages near the Euphrates River where families are dismantling their homes, brick by brick, piling them into pickup trucks — window frames, doors and all — and driving away.
These, my friends, are the real faces of the climate crisis. Now, magnify those lives by millions.
Around the world, people are moving because they can’t grow food, because they are flooded, because they can’t live and work in the extreme heat, because the air they are forced to breathe is clogged with pollution that kills someone prematurely every five seconds around the world.
The climate crisis is not just a passing environmental impact event happening in a few selected places. It is global and indiscriminate in its consequences. It can hit almost anywhere at any time. Just look at Pakistan and an out-of-control flood displacing over 30 million people in a matter of hours.
In northwest China, temperatures have climbed to over 52C while in southern China, typhoons have killed dozens and displaced tens of thousands.
Wildfires have torn across the Mediterranean from Greece to Algeria, spreading as far as Syria, where the UN has said 800,000 people living in camps are in danger.
Water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico have averaged over 88 degrees F—and off the coast of Florida they reached a possible world-record 100 degrees F. In cities like Phoenix, 30 consecutive days of 100 degrees F temperatures have caused some people to literally turn nocturnal, starting their days after the sun has gone down.
These are not just simple weather events. These are once in a lifetime catastrophes happening regularly now and they are a manifestation of the profound changes taking place on our planet.
Think about it another way: the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) found that since the beginning of 2020, a billion-dollar climate disaster occurs somewhere on the planet about once every 18 days. And yet the cost in human lives and livelihoods is even greater.
No one living these tragic realities doubts for an instant that the climate crisis is real, or that it is here now and getting worse tomorrow.
None of the destruction unfolding daily should be a surprise to anybody. Scientists have been predicting it now for decades.
Except for one big difference. Now it is all unfolding even faster and more severely than was forecasted.
And what’s really disturbing, as heat records were being broken globally in unprecedented sequence, continent to continent, scientists who have spent a lifetime tracking this human made crisis described themselves as “alarmed” and “terrified.” As one said unequivocally, “we are now in uncharted territory.”
Why are we in uncharted territory? Because we are now on the precipice of tipping points—the point at which events can simply unfold of their own momentum—the point at which our reckless abuse of an ecosystem has unleashed forces of nature way beyond our control.
These moments of irreversibility will over time mean the loss of glaciers critical to the feeding of rivers which in turn sustain much of the world. It means the shifting or drying up of rivers, sea level rise that will be catastrophic because the Arctic, already warming four times faster than the rest of the planet, or the Antarctic will melt at increasingly threatening pace with sea level rise measured in meters not feet.
No one can predict with certainty the exact pace and scope of this unraveling.
But common sense tells us inaction doesn’t have a prayer of stopping it.
Those who promote procrastination, delay and denial will wind up at the bottom of the dustbin of history. But it is up to us to decide whether they’re going to drag the rest of civilization down there with them.
By denying or downplaying the problem, naysayers are prepared to accept that younger generations already alive today won’t inherit anything resembling the world that belonged to their parents and grandparents.
Unless we—all of us— start doing more, faster, now, future generations will trade the inalienable right to the pursuit of happiness, for struggle in the pursuit of survival. Merely staying alive is not the legacy any of us should want to leave to future generations.
And how could we dare to when the solution is so clear.
The climate crisis is the result of the unabated burning of fossil fuel, deforestation, and potent superpollutants from industry and agriculture. That’s it. That’s the whole of the climate crisis. Those emissions form an ever-increasing blanket of greenhouse gas pollution which traps the heat. Damage done.
We humans are trying to bend the very laws of physics, chemistry and mathematics rather than apply them, and that’s breaking our planet.
It should be obvious by now. We have better choices, and they are very simple: stop using fossil fuels—unabated fossil fuels—capture the entirety of their emissions, and cut methane and other climate superpollutants for the fastest climate benefits.
I believe we’re on the cusp of change in the speed of this transition. In a little less than 100 days COP28 will convene in Dubai. And despite the troubled road that has brought us to this point, I think in this moment we have a unique opportunity to significantly accelerate this transition to a clean energy economy.
We are at a different moment than we have ever been. There is more than hope. There is progress.
And in these next days, on the road to COP 28 and at the COP itself, we have the potential to reach a different kind of tipping point—a tipping point in the speed and breadth of our response.
Thanks to the Paris Agreement, we have the chance to assess our progress through a review called the “Global Stocktake,” a report card to see how we are all doing together, taking into account the latest science.
When the Paris Agreement was written in 2015, we set out to limit temperature rise to well below 2 degrees C and to pursue 1.5 C as our priority.
While we’re significantly off track, still the Paris Agreement has achieved a great deal. It has created a framework that is our best hope for winning this battle. The 1.5 degree limit on warming, Net Zero emissions, the Global Stocktake—these ideas all come from Paris.
After the COP in Glasgow in 2021, the International Energy Agency determined if everyone did what they promised, we would limit warming to 1.8 C degrees by 2050. After Sharm el Sheikh last year, that projection dropped to 1.7 degrees of warming.
The problem is, not everyone is doing what they said they would or doing what the IPCC report demanded, and we are currently on a track with emissions rising, not falling.
What we already know from our own personal stocktakes is that we are behind and at COP 28 we need to universally raise ambition and propel implementation. Like Hume and Hutton, we are compelled to respond to the evidence we have. And that evidence tells us every country on the planet with significant emissions and emerging nations must kick into higher gear.
I take encouragement though that we are now seeing many more reasons for optimism. Remember, not everything has to be done by COP 28, let alone in the next seven years. We need to be on the right trend line. The science dictates that we all need to achieve a minimum 45% reduction by 2030 and then get firmly on the road to net zero by 2050. On that goal, there are a number of encouraging advances.
First, we are seeing renewable energy deploy faster as both the result and cause for further price reductions.
Since 2009, the cost of solar has decreased 83%; in that time, the cost of producing wind power has gone down more than 50%; and in the last three decades, the cost of lithium batteries has fallen 97%.
The marketplace will increasingly deploy capital to these sectors and that will add even more speed to the transition. The pace of electric vehicle manufacture and sales will result in a decrease in demand for fossil fuel and this will send a powerful demand signal to the marketplace about the economies of the future.
In the United States, under President Biden’s leadership, the Inflation Reduction Act, along with the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, are already having a profound positive impact—driving over a trillion dollars in clean energy investment by decade’s end.
We’re also witnessing extraordinary progress in wind power with increasingly larger turbines producing more and more energy from fewer machines. Wind works, and the faster we can get the permitting and deploy it the sooner we will offer Mother Nature the space and capacity to heal.
Two years ago, as we approached COP26 in Glasgow, China and the United States joined together to agree that there should be no more foreign financing of coal fired power plants. Now is the time for all of us to join together and take a more critical step. There should be no more permitting of any new unabated coal fired power anywhere in the world. Period.
Knowing what we know are the impacts and given the alternative options, there is no rational reason for contributing more to the problem by turning to the world’s dirtiest fuel burned in the dirtiest way.
In the United States, renewables are the largest source of new energy, and renewables account for nearly 90% of all new power capacity globally, and Scotland also is playing a part in that.
What is clear now is that the marketplace has made its decision and no politician—in the US or elsewhere—can reverse the course we are on. I am absolutely convinced we will get to a low-carbon, no-carbon economy. I am not convinced that we will do so in time to avoid the worst consequences of this crisis.
That remains our challenge, though there are increasing ripples of hope.
In Nigeria, a courageous decision by the new President to reform fossil fuel subsidies will save the country billions of dollars and is poised to unleash a new clean energy investment boom that Bloomberg estimates will see Nigeria’s solar capacity grow over 2000% by 2030.
The fastest growing heat pump market in the world in 2022 was Poland, which more than doubled its supply, while also pushing ahead with nuclear as a key source of zero emissions energy.
This past year we saw two historic experiments—one in the US, and one in the UK—produce net energy gain from a fusion reaction, a major milestone on the quest to commercialize abundant clean energy from fusion.
This year, more money—$1.7 trillion worldwide—will be invested in clean energy technologies like wind, solar, EVs and batteries than is invested in fossil fuels.
One of the greatest restraints on progress in this transition is the lack of adequate financing. Trillions of dollars in private capital have been sitting on the sidelines, waiting for greater confidence before betting on the net zero transition. We need to be more creative in derisking these investments and creating pools of concessionary funding which will give confidence to investors.
The Biden Administration is helping lead a global effort that will significantly expand the amount of low-cost credit available to countries for climate action through entities like the World Bank, which under the new leadership of Ajay Banga, is leading the charge to unlock billions in new financing.
We also can’t achieve our goals without the fossil fuel industry itself. The industry must step up and have a clear road map that aligns with Paris, Glasgow and Sharm el Sheikh. And, in the next weeks we have an opportunity to set out a real plan. If they are at the table, we can take massive steps forward.
I restate what I said earlier: this is one of the most dangerous moments in human history. But it may also be the greatest moment of opportunity for human advancement. We have the chance now to write a future filled with choices that make life cleaner, healthier, fairer, and safer.
One thing people have proven throughout history is an incredible capacity for innovation. The fact is that an amazing amount is happening now on multiple fronts.
We are well into an energy transition which can and should be the greatest economic opportunity since the Industrial Revolution.
Just think about it. Building a smart grid, installing new transmission lines, deploying solar fields, wind farms, adjusting infrastructure for electricity, renewing transportation, constructing efficient buildings —all of the enterprise of this transition will demand—electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbers, steel, aluminum, concrete and cement workers and plants, architects. Every layer of economic endeavor will be engaged in this transformation. This should excite the imagination, not depress us.
But this is much more than just an economic opportunity.
It is, above all, an opportunity to redefine our relationship with the future itself, because the future is what we’re fighting for. The battle may be pitched in the present but it’s going to be won in the days and decades ahead.
I know it may feel intangible or ethereal to imagine a planet in distress. It seems beyond comprehension. There are lots of granular, here-and-now things we are all asked to do in life: like go to work, pay the bills, raise a family, be a good citizen. And in the course of all that it’s pretty hard to grab onto the fact that all of humanity is actually in peril but Hume, Hutton, and Smith, whose names are on this building, they kept arguing, they kept innovating, and they prevailed.
And they didn’t actually have on their side what we have.
They were defending science and reason in an era where people were still told and almost universally believed that the Earth might be flat, that the planet might be held in the palm of one giant beast, and that disease would be cured by bleeding and life restored by a mighty bellows pumping air into the dead.
Well, we have our own new breed of doubters but what do we have on our side? 350 years of proof-of-concept, from antibiotics, moon landings, a vaccine to fight a pandemic, so that we are empowered to take the biggest leap forward for all humankind when we listen to science and reason, and act on it.
Two hundred years ago, an admirer of The Enlightenment, Immanuel Kant, wrote: “Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life.”
Right now, the science and the knowledge are unequivocal.
You’ve got to admit, it’s difficult to be so consistently wrong in such a long speech – but Kerry has proven equal to the challenge. There is no evidence of a climate crisis. As for Kerry’s green revolution, the reality is green energy investment is a government funded chimera, which will dry up and blow away as soon as politicians stop paying for it. Otherwise, why would investors be sitting on the sidelines, why would green entrepreneurs have so much trouble accessing finance?
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Tom Halla
August 28, 2023 6:27 pm
Lurch is projecting like an old drive in movie. As at some level, Kerry knows he is lying about the state of the science, he assumes everyone opposing him are also lying. It is politics, all the way down with Kerry, and treats evidence the same way a liability lawyer treats expert testimony, as something to be purchased.
I’ve think they’ve all drunk so much Kool-Aid they may no longer know if they’re lying or not. It might have gone to the point where they’re believing it all.
For his whole public life, Kerry has been either fantasizing or knowingly lying. The “atrocities” he claimed were either not atrocities, or never happened.
John Kerry has an odd relationship with reality.
“John Kerry has an odd relationship with reality.”
Johe Kerry is delusional. He’s also very sure of himself.
John Kerry also said me and every other Vietnam veteran are baby killers. I never killed a baby in my life. I’ve never had an inclination to kill a baby. And I think I can speak for about 99.99 percent of Vietnam veterans on this subject.
John Kerry is a dispicable liar. About Vietnam and about human-caused climate change, and about everything else that comes out of his mouth.
He ought to be in jail for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Kerry, however, is a certified baby killer. During his brief tour in Vietnam, contrary to orders, he opened fire on a late-returning fishing sampan one night and killed a baby. Because he did it, everybody else must have done it as well. Right?
I don’t know that Kerry killed a baby. I haven’t heard that story before, and I probably would have heard it, were it true. But, maybe I missed something.
Kerry is the worst kind of human being. One shouldn’t believe anything he says.
I never killer a baby either, but I did see plenty of children killed/maimed by the viet cong savages when I was there. Those maggots even killed a girl who was only doing our laundry. John Kerry’s and Hanoi Jane’s favorite people. During Kerry’s Presidential campaign, I had a bumper sticker that read “Viet Cong veterans for Kerry.”
The truth of John Kerry’s quest is that it has failed. He is a broken man.
The Russian say they will do nothing. The Chinese say they will do whatever they want, including building dozens more coal plants. The Indians …
Well, Kerry was meeting with Devin Archer, one of Hunter’s associates while he was Secretary of State.
Also, Kerry’s stepson was involved early with Hunter, but he dropped out of the deals for some reason, and hasn’t been implicated yet in any illegal activity. But it’s early yet. 🙂
Leftists define good and bad based on whether it supports the party, and the current narrative being pushed by the party.
Prior to WWII, leftists in the US were very supportive of Hitler. Right up to the moment where Hitler attacked Russia. In that moment he became public enemy number 1.
Lurch has always been a good fit, but I prefer his new nickname “Grifter” given to him by Scott Perry just last month, and the timing of the closing line and its content by Mr Perry is priceless:
Kerry used others’ medals to try to make a statement when he tossed the medals over the fence. He did not sacrifice his own.
Now, he want to throw other lives away to make a point … he will sacrifice nothing of his own.
The economic benefits of renewables he yabbers about will do nothing for the poor, they will still be burning crap to cook or stay warm. He will keep his jet (& his medals).
He proposes the continued sacrifice others, praises his syncophants for “taking time away from the frolicking of the festival”, and he continues burn through 10,000 times as much CO2 as those he wants to sacrifice.
czechlist
August 28, 2023 6:50 pm
Agent Orange effects ? John Fq’n Kerry has been unstable since he came back from Nam.
Seriously. Is there any non-delusional, non-narcisstic person in the biden admin?
If they actually “look like America” all is lost. Fortunately they don’t
Curious George
August 28, 2023 6:52 pm
Too much energy spent on an obvious nonsense. Kerry, Gore, Mann, and their ilk can produce nonsense almost at the speed of light.
The current El Nino is being caused by the fallout of the moisture from the Hunga Tonga water volcano flushing out industrial SO2 aerosols from our atmosphere, but Net-zero and other activities are doing the same, and if not HALTED, the weather disasters of the 2023 El Nino will represent our future. We may even be past that tipping point!
The real irony is that Net-Zero actions banning the burning of fossil fuels are what is currently CAUSING the climate to warm up
Where are fossils fuels being banned.
Net-Zero is a woke western policy that depends entirely on China accelerating its consumption of coal to produce the solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, power electronics and electric power transmission components for a few wealthy western countries to play make believe with energy supply. No one is reducing fossil fuel consumption. Even the poster child of woke, Norway, is not reducing fossil fuel consumption. And their wealth relies on continuing strong demand for the oil they export.
So even if aerosols could have an influence on the climate, they are not going to change by human intervention through NetZero policy.
It is the BURNING of fossil fuels that is being banned..
“So even if aerosols could have an influence on the climate, they are not going to change by human influence through NetZero policy”
WRONG on both counts. Changing atmospheric SO2 aerosol levels are the control knob for our climate, and the burning of fossil fuels releases both CO2 and SO2, with only SO2 having any climatic effect.
You have the mistaken view that NetZero policy will reduce the burning of fossil fuels. It doesn’t; rather it shifts the burning mostly to China from western nations with the insane policy. Anyone who cares to look at the data can see that.
All the stuff needed to achieve NetZero anywhere uses more fossil fuel where it is made than it saves in the places where that useless stuff is used. If China did not produce virtuous CO2 and SO2, this reality would be obvious to everyone.
It is being implemented in basically every country around the world, except China, India, and Africa. Great Britain, Australia, Europe, the USA are all pursuing Green Energy to avoid having to burn fossil fuels, and there is much suffering now, from high energy costs and prohibitions, as a result. And there will be even more suffering, from higher temperatures, etc.,if it is not halted.
The fewer the SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere, the hotter it will get.
A bill in the Congress to defund this climate Czar Kerry is badly needed….defund all Joey’s appointed Czars who are doing great damage while being funded by the people. I understand the CCP subsidizes the EVs in China so incentive to build ’em whether they can sell ’em or not. China has built cities that house few people – the place is crazier than western countries.
What I find even worse, is that he cites this guy, happily oblivious that what he is saying, namely evidence of climate epochs, directly ridicules all his other nonsense about tipping points and anthropogenesis and everything else he verbally defecates.
I blame every attendant that was not throwing crockery at this fool.
Denis
August 28, 2023 7:14 pm
“…nature’s hand, not the hand of a vengeful God, was responsible for the movement of the earth’s crusts…” – Voltaire
That was in the late 1700’s. In 1912 Alfred Wegener proposed that continents drift about, collide and create mountains, rift valleys, earthquakes and volcanoes. He was ridiculed for the next 50 years because every geologist of note knew that the continents were fixed and Wegener was just babbling. It was not until about 1960 that the geological community accepted his ideas. Voltaire had nothing to do with it. Kerry really does need to read more.
Certainly someone else wrote the speech for him. However adult college educated humans can’t avoid knowing at least a little. I’ve heard so many dim people call famous people stupid – as if it were easy. Imagine not being able to go to family meal without being asked for money to fund a fourth cousin’s ice cream shop.
I think it was evidence, collected during the International Geophysical Year (1959), that showed spreading of the sea floor all along the extent of the Atlantic Ocean (evidenced by magnetic shifts paralleling the spreading zone) that convinced scientist of Wegener’s theory.
Evidence that geological formations were continuous on both sides of the Atlantic as well as finding identical fossils on both sides of the Atlantic was already swaying many geologists.
The discovery of the mid-Atlantic ridge and the pattern of magnetic reversals, sealed the deal.
Denis
August 28, 2023 7:25 pm
“…without a single piece of peer reviewed, documentation to the contrary…”
Last I knew, the IPCC reports were peer reviewed. Heck, they were written by the peers. Number six is about 3,000 pages long and is chock full of documentation that nothing much is happening to our climate. Has Kerry read it? Any of it? A page or two perhaps? Maybe he has read one of the executive summaries which were written by government officials, not science peers and is therefore “not peer reviewed.” The guy is simply stupid and unreliable which one of his Vietnam CO’s once told me.
A huge portion of the US political/elite class is an international embarrassment. The ordinary imperial Romans under Caracalla probably had a similar opinion of their rulers as normal Americans do of the incompetents we’re saddled with now. This isn’t going to end well.
Name me any country that has a competent administration. Since 2000, the world has descended into a pure Idiocracy. It is clear that no world leader has a clue how to solve the world’s actual problems and none are even trying. They content themsleces with failing to address illusory problems.
And if we vote them out an identical bunch of clowns moves in, instead.
‘It is clear that no world leader has a clue how to solve the world’s actual problems…’
Hayek refers to the belief that a relative handful of ‘experts’ can possibly possess the knowledge needed to solve the ,world’s problems’ as the ‘Fatal Conceit’.
The prevalence of this belief has immiserated and killed many millions of people.
Shall I remind thee of that fraudulent document so hated and feared?
Chapter 10 Verse 13: “In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favour of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some “Panama” or other – then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges,…”
It carries on from there, so accurately describing the White House (and every other ‘western government’) one may think it is a Babilon Bee report, but it is over a hundred years old, some say pre-French Devolution.
I think we should be careful how much we hate our ‘leaders’, it plays into the hands of our Enemy.
Site administrators, you need to turn down WordPress’s comment timer. Or off. When I post a comment, notice a mistake and try to correct it, it tells me “You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down” and won’t let me save my edit. If I wait “long enough” I can no longer edit my post because, well, another goofy WordPress setting. This wasn’t a problem a week ago.
The Incorrect Use Of Centigrade & Fahrenheit Centigrade and Fahrenheit scales are Ordinal Data – and cannot be freely multiplied, divided or compared.
Not many people understand that mathematics places limitations on how certain numbers can be manipulated.
There are three kinds of data :- Ratio, Ordinal and Nominal.
Nominal: Is for instance a yes/no question in a survey where Male=1 and Female=0 if the average of the survey is 0.5 we can conclude only that half the population that answered were male and half female or if the average was 0.6 we can conclude (and can only conclude) that 60% of the respondents were male.
You cannot conclude the sample was slightly female – although marketing types do use such expressions. There is no such answer as 0.5 or 0.6 only what the number infers.
Ordinal: Is for instance a question in a survey where a range of answers are permitted, such as “On a scale of Zero to 10 rate the quality of our service where 0=terrible and 10 = exceeded my expectations.
If we get an average answer of say 6.23 – it is meaningless unless we calibrate it against what it meant to respondents.
Even if we were to ask the same question of a competitors’ service and got 6.10, we cannot conclude we are doing 2% better than our competitor (divide one by the other) as we are not necessarily comparing apples with apples.
So you have to be very careful when using Nominal and Ordinal data when you attempt to manipulate them mathematically.
Only Ratio data can be freely manipulated – true numbers that are infinitely divisible.
Unfortunately Centigrade and Fahrenheit scales are in fact Ordinal.
Centigrade being based on the freezing and boiling points of water divided by an arbitrary 100 divisions.
And Fahrenheit being (somewhat clouded by the mists of time) on the freezing of brine and further arbitrary limits and divisions.
Now defined as F° = { C° x (9 ÷ 5) } + 32
Thus if you say something like “what temperature is twice the boiling point of water” :-
You might try 100°C multiplied by two is 200°C – you would be seriously wrong!
Let’s try that with Fahrenheit 2 x 212°F = 424°F wrong again – translate it to centigrade and we get 217.7°C – Oh dear – that does not align with my prior calculation. Why ? – Because we have simplistically applied ratio data mathematics to ordinal data.
All thermodynamic calculations are done in Kelvin which starts at absolute zero (-273.15°C) so it becomes perfectly true to state that an object at 400°K is twice as hot (or contains twice the thermal energy) of the same object at 200°K.
Kelvin still uses the centigrade divisions but that does not cause problems – it could be anything but keeping the same divisions makes conversion simpler.
Now lets go back to the prior question “what temperature is twice the boiling point of water” first we need to know the boiling point of water in Kelvin which is :-
373.15°K = 100°C = 212°F
Multiply by 2, we get :-
746.3°K which converts to 473.15°C (not 200°C by erroneous simplistic calculation) or to 883.67°F (not 424°F by erroneous simplistic calculation) Which are correct (believe it or not).
An example based on a headline – “Antarctic Heating Up 4 Times Faster Than Average” (Sky News August 2022)
If global average temperatures have risen from 15.0°C to 15.1°C “here” and Antarctic temperatures have risen from (say) minus 30°C to minus 29.6°C i.e. 0.4° “hotter” than average “there”
Then the ignorant thermogeddonists claim that “there” has risen 0.4°C while “here” has risen 0.1°C
Therefore temperature “there” has risen four time faster than “here”!
Horsefeathers !
The reality of thermodynamics in Kelvin is that “there” is only 0.14% hotter than “here”.
Such is the scientific nonsense touted by the MSM and swallowed by a scientifically ignorant and therefore gullible public.
If you can’t figure out why “there” is only 0.14% hotter than “here” – welcome to the ignorant chattering masses – take a science course.
So when you find “Climate Scientists” multiplying or dividing the Centigrade or Fahrenheit scales by any factor, there can only be two reasons :-
1) They deliberately want to overemphasize (or underemphasise) their findings – which is misrepresentation or fraud.
2) They don’t actually understand what they are doing and you should ignore the accolade “scientist” if they are ignorant of such scientific basics.
So a scientist saying that 2°C is double 1°C is talking out of his hat (or somewhere way further south).
Of course, displaying results in Centigrade or Fahrenheit is completely acceptable – but doing thermodynamic calculations in those scales isn’t.
Total BS, worse than Kerry. Chasmsteed is telling us you can’t compare the tides unless you know how deep the ocean is…somewhere, and take that into account. –AGF
Rather like the pharma companies stressing Relative percentages rather than absolute. Which the FDA lets them get away with. Another example of government mendacity.
The main problem in places like Iraq, Syria, Somalia and parts of central America is not lack of rain, but lack of water infrastructure. It’s hard to organise building a dam, when you are busy fending off corrupt kleptocrats, terrorists and kidnappers, and have no clear path to profiting from that dam.
For centuries the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded Iraq, renewing its once verdant farmland, but the floods stopped in 1968 after dams were built upstream mainly for hydroelectric purposes in Turkey, where the rivers originate.
Iran, has also redirected the Tigris, because it, too, needs water.
I’ve recently been viewing a bit about early civilisations in Mesopotamia. It’s an interesting topic worthy of a piece on WUWT. I’ve barely scratched the surface in my spare time.
The first archaeological signs of irrigation in Mesopotamia appear around 6000 BC. There was a north/south divide between wet and dry also. Maintaining the irrigation system required a large bureaucracy, written records and led to a series of civilisations and empires. Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Sumerian not the only ones or in chronological order. All these had territory in modern day Iraq.
The irrigation eventually contaminated the soil with salt. During the period of these empires there was a 400 year mega-drought with an unknown cause.
Australian water infrastructure or lack of investment is shocking. Massive population growth and very little happening in terms of boosting reservoir capacity. What could go wrong?
..we shall say nothing of the water infrastructure purposely destroyed by F16-delivered explosive democracy… with just a hint of depleted uranium dust.
According to figures produced for this year about 40% were due to lightning, 34% to human causes (intentional or unintentional) and 26% yet to be determined. Lightning is, apparently, a big problem in Canada – lots of dry grass just waiting for an ignition source.
lots of dry grass just waiting for an ignition source
Which brings us to an ugly problem, larger and far more persistent than a bunch of impatient cheeky arsonists: a lot (maybe most) of that damage is due to blatant mismanagement.
The trouble with mismanagement is that incompetence, laziness, corruption and malice can align pretty much perfectly, and lack of responsibility enables it. All these bugs thrive on milquetoast socialism, and socialism can occasionally harness them like this.
“And now the Mediterranean sea has no trees whatsoever. Checkmate, denialists!” …honkity-honk 🤡
Inb4 the usual circus bullies Greece to heed the “experts” testifying the fires were completely natural… er… naturally manmade? Naturally unnatural? Unnaturally natural?
Either way, since the Team Stopped Watch already have predicted all possible (and many impossible) sorts of gloom and doom, and it’s already embedded everywhere, they can make much better bogus cases than Pentagon Papers — and that one worked.
“younger generations already alive today won’t inherit anything resembling the world that belonged to their parents and grandparents.”
At any point in the last 500 years would the quoted words be less true? My father grew up before electronic calculators or the microwave oven. Defined benefit retirement plans sound nice but the previous generation did have drafts for wars in jungles.
John Hultquist
August 28, 2023 8:16 pm
Poor John K., he is going to die one day having failed in all the things he tried to do. He will be a simple and not very interesting footnote to history.
Me? I’m with this guy. “True elegance consists of not being noticed.” [George Bryan]
JK takes so many personal attacks from the right. I wonder whether he gets offsetting love from the left? He’s already got enough money… Maybe our racor gives him a happy chuckle.
True, but that happened a looooong time ago. If he saved a little of his allowance, he’s rich on his own. “Earn” is a word that needs careful examination.
gigolo – not a job every man can do. I do not mean to become defender of someone who does not want, need or maybe deserve defense, but truth matters. He probably was smarter than average once and nothing has ever been free.
How could you be a successful gigolo and look like that?
KevinM
August 28, 2023 8:24 pm
JK tries so hard to speak wise words that he could fool sharp people – the first time. By the second time, you feel him (his writers) trying too hard. Does he even know why he lost the presidential election?
Transparent disdain for the types who might support him?
MarkW
August 28, 2023 8:30 pm
They are getting desperate. The real world is continuing to refuse to do what the models tell it to do, and the scam is falling apart before they were able to seal their takeover of western governments.
The next step is going to be growing levels of violence against non-believers.
The ‘First Climate Scientist’ was a guy in Ancient Greece.
All he did was to wonder:
Why are do nights have no wind?
Why do nights have clear skies?
Then for a couple of hours after sunrise…
…the sky remains clear and..
…temperature rises quickly
THEN
Clouds appear in the sky and…
….the wind picks up and…
….temp doesn’t rise as fast as it did initially
That this condition persists through the daytime… THEN – a couple of hours before sunset it all reverses
the wind drops
the sky clears
temps start falling
The Greek Guy wondered why that was.
John Kerry:Do you know why that is? Do you even notice it happening? Climate Science: Do you know why that is? Do you even notice it happening?
I ain’t holding any breath waiting for an answer. They are all lying by omission: To answer that question means trashing the entire theory of the Green House Gas Effect
Not quite. That CO2 and other trace gases act as ‘greenhouses gases’ is not in dispute.
What is in dispute is that while the real science says the effect is minimal, they say its stupendous and will lead to catastrophe.
As such, it acts as a conduit for a thin frequency band of weak infrared energy by transferring it to other molecules where it is dealt with by normal atmospheric energy interchange.
There is absolutely no evidence that it traps convective heat as a greenhouse does, or causes warming of any sort.
The term “greenhouse gas” is a total misnomer.
(Except in the sense that CO2 is used in greenhouse to enhance plant growth.)
”Greenhouse effect” is an old term hailing from earlier times when it was assumed the glass in a greenhouse let IR in but wasn’t as good at letting it out. Someone actually calculated some heat transfer and determined that hindering convection was how greenhouses mostly conserved warmth. Arguing the pedigree of the term isn’t changing the molecular cross section of CO2 to IR…..
Lurch is projecting like an old drive in movie. As at some level, Kerry knows he is lying about the state of the science, he assumes everyone opposing him are also lying. It is politics, all the way down with Kerry, and treats evidence the same way a liability lawyer treats expert testimony, as something to be purchased.
I’ve think they’ve all drunk so much Kool-Aid they may no longer know if they’re lying or not. It might have gone to the point where they’re believing it all.
Well, it is no longer possible to eat sushi with the oceans boiling and all that.
Truth be told…Climate Apostles (AKA John Kerry) “lash out at the climate realists, and label climate truth as climate denialism
For his whole public life, Kerry has been either fantasizing or knowingly lying. The “atrocities” he claimed were either not atrocities, or never happened.
John Kerry has an odd relationship with reality.
Well worded.
John “Swift Boat” Kerry lying? Tell me it isn’t so.
John “Throw someone else’s medals over the White House Fence” Kerry, just making stuff up?
John “Magic Hat” Kerry having questionable connections to reality?
“John Kerry has an odd relationship with reality.”
Johe Kerry is delusional. He’s also very sure of himself.
John Kerry also said me and every other Vietnam veteran are baby killers. I never killed a baby in my life. I’ve never had an inclination to kill a baby. And I think I can speak for about 99.99 percent of Vietnam veterans on this subject.
John Kerry is a dispicable liar. About Vietnam and about human-caused climate change, and about everything else that comes out of his mouth.
He ought to be in jail for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Kerry, however, is a certified baby killer. During his brief tour in Vietnam, contrary to orders, he opened fire on a late-returning fishing sampan one night and killed a baby. Because he did it, everybody else must have done it as well. Right?
I don’t know that Kerry killed a baby. I haven’t heard that story before, and I probably would have heard it, were it true. But, maybe I missed something.
Kerry is the worst kind of human being. One shouldn’t believe anything he says.
I never killer a baby either, but I did see plenty of children killed/maimed by the viet cong savages when I was there. Those maggots even killed a girl who was only doing our laundry. John Kerry’s and Hanoi Jane’s favorite people. During Kerry’s Presidential campaign, I had a bumper sticker that read “Viet Cong veterans for Kerry.”
Good one!
Kerry’s Swiftboat companions have nothing good to say about Kerry.
Their criticism of Kerry is probably a big factor in why he lost the presidency.
Imagine that horror show, if he had won!
The truth of John Kerry’s quest is that it has failed. He is a broken man.
The Russian say they will do nothing. The Chinese say they will do whatever they want, including building dozens more coal plants. The Indians …
Kerry has failed, along with the other alarmists. Half the world is not listening to Kerry. The smart half.
If I’m not mistaken, Kerry, as Secretary of State, has recently been implicated in the Biden’s Burisma mess.
(Or should I say “exposure”?)
Well, Kerry was meeting with Devin Archer, one of Hunter’s associates while he was Secretary of State.
Also, Kerry’s stepson was involved early with Hunter, but he dropped out of the deals for some reason, and hasn’t been implicated yet in any illegal activity. But it’s early yet. 🙂
I keep repeating the view that they neither know nor care if they are lying or not. Its all about the plausible narrative.
Leftists define good and bad based on whether it supports the party, and the current narrative being pushed by the party.
Prior to WWII, leftists in the US were very supportive of Hitler. Right up to the moment where Hitler attacked Russia. In that moment he became public enemy number 1.
He was taking about it in 2004. He knows enough of the truth.
Lurch has always been a good fit, but I prefer his new nickname “Grifter” given to him by Scott Perry just last month, and the timing of the closing line and its content by Mr Perry is priceless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhiV5owv53M
After the public beating he took there, maybe that’s why he’s back grifting hysterically.
Kerry used others’ medals to try to make a statement when he tossed the medals over the fence. He did not sacrifice his own.
Now, he want to throw other lives away to make a point … he will sacrifice nothing of his own.
The economic benefits of renewables he yabbers about will do nothing for the poor, they will still be burning crap to cook or stay warm. He will keep his jet (& his medals).
He proposes the continued sacrifice others, praises his syncophants for “taking time away from the frolicking of the festival”, and he continues burn through 10,000 times as much CO2 as those he wants to sacrifice.
Agent Orange effects ? John Fq’n Kerry has been unstable since he came back from Nam.
Seriously. Is there any non-delusional, non-narcisstic person in the biden admin?
If they actually “look like America” all is lost. Fortunately they don’t
Too much energy spent on an obvious nonsense. Kerry, Gore, Mann, and their ilk can produce nonsense almost at the speed of light.
The real irony is that Net-Zero actions banning the burning of fossil fuels are what is currently CAUSING the climate to warm up
See: “Net-Zero Catastrophe Beginning?”
https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2022.16.1.1035
And: “Definitive Proof that CO2 does not cause global warming”
https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2023.19.1.1329
And: Definitive Proof that CO2 does not cause global warming”. An Update
https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2023.19.2.1660
The current El Nino is being caused by the fallout of the moisture from the Hunga Tonga water volcano flushing out industrial SO2 aerosols from our atmosphere, but Net-zero and other activities are doing the same, and if not HALTED, the weather disasters of the 2023 El Nino will represent our future. We may even be past that tipping point!
Where are fossils fuels being banned.
Net-Zero is a woke western policy that depends entirely on China accelerating its consumption of coal to produce the solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, power electronics and electric power transmission components for a few wealthy western countries to play make believe with energy supply. No one is reducing fossil fuel consumption. Even the poster child of woke, Norway, is not reducing fossil fuel consumption. And their wealth relies on continuing strong demand for the oil they export.
So even if aerosols could have an influence on the climate, they are not going to change by human intervention through NetZero policy.
Rick Will:
“Where are fossil fuels being banned?”
It is the BURNING of fossil fuels that is being banned..
“So even if aerosols could have an influence on the climate, they are not going to change by human influence through NetZero policy”
WRONG on both counts. Changing atmospheric SO2 aerosol levels are the control knob for our climate, and the burning of fossil fuels releases both CO2 and SO2, with only SO2 having any climatic effect.
You have the mistaken view that NetZero policy will reduce the burning of fossil fuels. It doesn’t; rather it shifts the burning mostly to China from western nations with the insane policy. Anyone who cares to look at the data can see that.
All the stuff needed to achieve NetZero anywhere uses more fossil fuel where it is made than it saves in the places where that useless stuff is used. If China did not produce virtuous CO2 and SO2, this reality would be obvious to everyone.
Rick Will:
You have ZERO understanding of NetZero!
It is being implemented in basically every country around the world, except China, India, and Africa. Great Britain, Australia, Europe, the USA are all pursuing Green Energy to avoid having to burn fossil fuels, and there is much suffering now, from high energy costs and prohibitions, as a result. And there will be even more suffering, from higher temperatures, etc.,if it is not halted.
The fewer the SO2 aerosols in the atmosphere, the hotter it will get.
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KevinM.
Definitely not. Just inconvenient facts..
A bill in the Congress to defund this climate Czar Kerry is badly needed….defund all Joey’s appointed Czars who are doing great damage while being funded by the people. I understand the CCP subsidizes the EVs in China so incentive to build ’em whether they can sell ’em or not. China has built cities that house few people – the place is crazier than western countries.
I think I heard some noise in Congress not long ago about defunding Kerry. Kerry supposedly has about 45 people working for him!
I would suggest that you should have written: “…45 people doing his work for him.”
If you look up the definition of pompous ass you will see a picture of John Kerry
The same photo is reused for ‘mediocre’.
Dumb question….I see the h/t letters on various articles. What does that stand for?
John, h/t stands for hat tip…an acknowledgement of the source that prompted the post.
Regards,
Bob
Thank you. I never would have guessed that.
Toward the end he says:
…so that we are empowered to take the biggest leap forward…
Wow, just wow !
Only 50 million or so were killed in the Great Leap.
And nutcase wanna-be Maoists like TDS Simon want a repeat performance.
Under 30’s won’t hear the reference.
It’s been erased from history, can’t think why
“Big leap forwards” in the past always resulted in leaping over bodies.
Hutton was a Geologist, not a climate scientist. Doesn’t Kerry read anything? Does he even know the difference?
What I find even worse, is that he cites this guy, happily oblivious that what he is saying, namely evidence of climate epochs, directly ridicules all his other nonsense about tipping points and anthropogenesis and everything else he verbally defecates.
I blame every attendant that was not throwing crockery at this fool.
“…nature’s hand, not the hand of a vengeful God, was responsible for the movement of the earth’s crusts…” – Voltaire
That was in the late 1700’s. In 1912 Alfred Wegener proposed that continents drift about, collide and create mountains, rift valleys, earthquakes and volcanoes. He was ridiculed for the next 50 years because every geologist of note knew that the continents were fixed and Wegener was just babbling. It was not until about 1960 that the geological community accepted his ideas. Voltaire had nothing to do with it. Kerry really does need to read more.
Don’t confuse dishonest with uneducated. He read at least the Cliff’s Notes, possibly all of actual Voltaire.
Possibly. He seems more fluent in other languages rather than English. Gibberish, for example.
…and jabberwocky.
I was thinking that someone else wrote the speech for him, because I wouldn’t expect him to know anything about Voltaire….
Certainly someone else wrote the speech for him. However adult college educated humans can’t avoid knowing at least a little. I’ve heard so many dim people call famous people stupid – as if it were easy. Imagine not being able to go to family meal without being asked for money to fund a fourth cousin’s ice cream shop.
Continents drift = nature’s hand
I think it was evidence, collected during the International Geophysical Year (1959), that showed spreading of the sea floor all along the extent of the Atlantic Ocean (evidenced by magnetic shifts paralleling the spreading zone) that convinced scientist of Wegener’s theory.
Evidence that geological formations were continuous on both sides of the Atlantic as well as finding identical fossils on both sides of the Atlantic was already swaying many geologists.
The discovery of the mid-Atlantic ridge and the pattern of magnetic reversals, sealed the deal.
“…without a single piece of peer reviewed, documentation to the contrary…”
Last I knew, the IPCC reports were peer reviewed. Heck, they were written by the peers. Number six is about 3,000 pages long and is chock full of documentation that nothing much is happening to our climate. Has Kerry read it? Any of it? A page or two perhaps? Maybe he has read one of the executive summaries which were written by government officials, not science peers and is therefore “not peer reviewed.” The guy is simply stupid and unreliable which one of his Vietnam CO’s once told me.
A huge portion of the US political/elite class is an international embarrassment. The ordinary imperial Romans under Caracalla probably had a similar opinion of their rulers as normal Americans do of the incompetents we’re saddled with now. This isn’t going to end well.
Ever has it been?
Name me any country that has a competent administration. Since 2000, the world has descended into a pure Idiocracy. It is clear that no world leader has a clue how to solve the world’s actual problems and none are even trying. They content themsleces with failing to address illusory problems.
And if we vote them out an identical bunch of clowns moves in, instead.
‘It is clear that no world leader has a clue how to solve the world’s actual problems…’
Hayek refers to the belief that a relative handful of ‘experts’ can possibly possess the knowledge needed to solve the ,world’s problems’ as the ‘Fatal Conceit’.
The prevalence of this belief has immiserated and killed many millions of people.
“Since 2000“?
Shall I remind thee of that fraudulent document so hated and feared?
Chapter 10 Verse 13: “In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favour of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some “Panama” or other – then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges,…”
It carries on from there, so accurately describing the White House (and every other ‘western government’) one may think it is a Babilon Bee report, but it is over a hundred years old, some say pre-French Devolution.
I think we should be careful how much we hate our ‘leaders’, it plays into the hands of our Enemy.
they lash out at the truth tellers, and label indisputable evidence as hysteria
“Indisputable” means “I won’t let anyone dispute it with me (because I’ll lose)”.
“famous actors, side-splitting comedians, clowns…”
So, there were lots of self-styled “climate scientists” there.!
Travelling by lots of private jets.
Site administrators, you need to turn down WordPress’s comment timer. Or off. When I post a comment, notice a mistake and try to correct it, it tells me “You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down” and won’t let me save my edit. If I wait “long enough” I can no longer edit my post because, well, another goofy WordPress setting. This wasn’t a problem a week ago.
Yes, it is a problem that needs dealing with.
“Arctic, already warming four times faster than the rest of the planet”
WRONG !
Are you telling me the the arctic is basically the same temp as it was 20 years ago? That’s horrifying!
It’s staying the same FASTER THAN WE EXPECTED
The Incorrect Use Of Centigrade & Fahrenheit
Centigrade and Fahrenheit scales are Ordinal Data – and cannot be freely multiplied, divided or compared.
Not many people understand that mathematics places limitations on how certain numbers can be manipulated.
There are three kinds of data :- Ratio, Ordinal and Nominal.
Nominal: Is for instance a yes/no question in a survey where Male=1 and Female=0 if the average of the survey is 0.5 we can conclude only that half the population that answered were male and half female or if the average was 0.6 we can conclude (and can only conclude) that 60% of the respondents were male.
You cannot conclude the sample was slightly female – although marketing types do use such expressions. There is no such answer as 0.5 or 0.6 only what the number infers.
Ordinal: Is for instance a question in a survey where a range of answers are permitted, such as “On a scale of Zero to 10 rate the quality of our service where 0=terrible and 10 = exceeded my expectations.
If we get an average answer of say 6.23 – it is meaningless unless we calibrate it against what it meant to respondents.
Even if we were to ask the same question of a competitors’ service and got 6.10, we cannot conclude we are doing 2% better than our competitor (divide one by the other) as we are not necessarily comparing apples with apples.
So you have to be very careful when using Nominal and Ordinal data when you attempt to manipulate them mathematically.
Only Ratio data can be freely manipulated – true numbers that are infinitely divisible.
Unfortunately Centigrade and Fahrenheit scales are in fact Ordinal.
Centigrade being based on the freezing and boiling points of water divided by an arbitrary 100 divisions.
And Fahrenheit being (somewhat clouded by the mists of time) on the freezing of brine and further arbitrary limits and divisions.
Now defined as F° = { C° x (9 ÷ 5) } + 32
Thus if you say something like “what temperature is twice the boiling point of water” :-
You might try 100°C multiplied by two is 200°C – you would be seriously wrong!
Let’s try that with Fahrenheit 2 x 212°F = 424°F wrong again – translate it to centigrade and we get 217.7°C – Oh dear – that does not align with my prior calculation. Why ? – Because we have simplistically applied ratio data mathematics to ordinal data.
All thermodynamic calculations are done in Kelvin which starts at absolute zero (-273.15°C) so it becomes perfectly true to state that an object at 400°K is twice as hot (or contains twice the thermal energy) of the same object at 200°K.
Kelvin still uses the centigrade divisions but that does not cause problems – it could be anything but keeping the same divisions makes conversion simpler.
Now lets go back to the prior question “what temperature is twice the boiling point of water” first we need to know the boiling point of water in Kelvin which is :-
373.15°K = 100°C = 212°F
Multiply by 2, we get :-
746.3°K which converts to 473.15°C (not 200°C by erroneous simplistic calculation) or to 883.67°F (not 424°F by erroneous simplistic calculation) Which are correct (believe it or not).
An example based on a headline – “Antarctic Heating Up 4 Times Faster Than Average” (Sky News August 2022)
If global average temperatures have risen from 15.0°C to 15.1°C “here” and Antarctic temperatures have risen from (say) minus 30°C to minus 29.6°C i.e. 0.4° “hotter” than average “there”
Then the ignorant thermogeddonists claim that “there” has risen 0.4°C while “here” has risen 0.1°C
Therefore temperature “there” has risen four time faster than “here”!
Horsefeathers !
The reality of thermodynamics in Kelvin is that “there” is only 0.14% hotter than “here”.
Such is the scientific nonsense touted by the MSM and swallowed by a scientifically ignorant and therefore gullible public.
If you can’t figure out why “there” is only 0.14% hotter than “here” – welcome to the ignorant chattering masses – take a science course.
So when you find “Climate Scientists” multiplying or dividing the Centigrade or Fahrenheit scales by any factor, there can only be two reasons :-
1) They deliberately want to overemphasize (or underemphasise) their findings – which is misrepresentation or fraud.
2) They don’t actually understand what they are doing and you should ignore the accolade “scientist” if they are ignorant of such scientific basics.
So a scientist saying that 2°C is double 1°C is talking out of his hat (or somewhere way further south).
Of course, displaying results in Centigrade or Fahrenheit is completely acceptable – but doing thermodynamic calculations in those scales isn’t.
Good explanation.
Excellent explanation and added to my understanding of number manipulation. Thank You.
-40 degrees is cold.
Ya, but what is it in Rankine?
Or Réaumur.
Or Kelvin?
Total BS, worse than Kerry. Chasmsteed is telling us you can’t compare the tides unless you know how deep the ocean is…somewhere, and take that into account. –AGF
Rather like the pharma companies stressing Relative percentages rather than absolute. Which the FDA lets them get away with. Another example of government mendacity.
Everywhere is warming at least twice as fast as the rest of the planet if you beleive all you read in the press
But he knows that because it was in the Grauniad 🙂
In Iraq, ….. “Nowhere has water…
2022 Report: 7 Iraqi Tourists Killed By Floods in Northeast Iran – Bloomberg
2023 Severe Floods in Iraq leave Several Dead | Iraq Business News (iraq-businessnews.com)
The main problem in places like Iraq, Syria, Somalia and parts of central America is not lack of rain, but lack of water infrastructure. It’s hard to organise building a dam, when you are busy fending off corrupt kleptocrats, terrorists and kidnappers, and have no clear path to profiting from that dam.
And of course no mention of the main reason….
For centuries the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded Iraq, renewing its once verdant farmland, but the floods stopped in 1968 after dams were built upstream mainly for hydroelectric purposes in Turkey, where the rivers originate.
Iran, has also redirected the Tigris, because it, too, needs water.
I’ve recently been viewing a bit about early civilisations in Mesopotamia. It’s an interesting topic worthy of a piece on WUWT. I’ve barely scratched the surface in my spare time.
The first archaeological signs of irrigation in Mesopotamia appear around 6000 BC. There was a north/south divide between wet and dry also. Maintaining the irrigation system required a large bureaucracy, written records and led to a series of civilisations and empires. Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Sumerian not the only ones or in chronological order. All these had territory in modern day Iraq.
The irrigation eventually contaminated the soil with salt. During the period of these empires there was a 400 year mega-drought with an unknown cause.
And incidentally Australia is in the same sinking boat!
Cheers,
Bill Johnston
http://www.bomwastch.com.au
And incidentally, with our aging infrastructure and lack of political resolve, Australia is in the same sinking boat!
Cheers,
Bill Johnston
http://www.bomwatch.com.au
Australian water infrastructure or lack of investment is shocking. Massive population growth and very little happening in terms of boosting reservoir capacity. What could go wrong?
Here is a simple graph which illustrates the dam volume added per decade.
The greenie agenda of not allowing dams, has a LOT to answer for.
(only goes up to 2009, but you can see the problem)
The same problem exists in the Democratic Peoples Republic of California.
..we shall say nothing of the water infrastructure purposely destroyed by F16-delivered explosive democracy… with just a hint of depleted uranium dust.
I was wondering what Iraqi tourists were doing in Iran. Those two countries seriously don’t like each other.
Drowning?
The lyrics of a Stephen Steppenwolf song spring to mind…
“We’re all hippos rolling down river
Sometimes we can’t touch the ground…”
Don’t know where “Stephen” got stuffed in there by my “smart” phone, and WordPress won’t let me edit it these days.
AI = Automated Idiocy
“Wildfires have torn across the Mediterranean from Greece”
Several dozen ARSONISTS arrested. Greece arrests 79 people on arson charges as fire death toll reaches 21 | NT News
Good job with fact-based counterpoints bnice2000.
There are so many provably wrong and/or ignorant clauses in his anti-fact blethering…
… I could be here all day and still not cover them all.
That’s the idea. Flood all communication channels with mountains of manure so that said manure will be viewed as “factual” by the proletariat.
Thanks bnice – added.
I suspect this for Canada too. Those fires are just too massive.
According to figures produced for this year about 40% were due to lightning, 34% to human causes (intentional or unintentional) and 26% yet to be determined. Lightning is, apparently, a big problem in Canada – lots of dry grass just waiting for an ignition source.
Which brings us to an ugly problem, larger and far more persistent than a bunch of impatient cheeky arsonists: a lot (maybe most) of that damage is due to blatant mismanagement.
The trouble with mismanagement is that incompetence, laziness, corruption and malice can align pretty much perfectly, and lack of responsibility enables it. All these bugs thrive on milquetoast socialism, and socialism can occasionally harness them like this.
That’s a lot of arsonists for a small country! Is there something in the water?
Just a strange brew
“And now the Mediterranean sea has no trees whatsoever. Checkmate, denialists!” …honkity-honk 🤡
Inb4 the usual circus bullies Greece to heed the “experts” testifying the fires were completely natural… er… naturally manmade? Naturally unnatural? Unnaturally natural?
Either way, since the Team Stopped Watch already have predicted all possible (and many impossible) sorts of gloom and doom, and it’s already embedded everywhere, they can make much better bogus cases than Pentagon Papers — and that one worked.
Useful idiot, nothing more.
“In the United States, under President Biden’s leadership…”
You have to be an idiot to believe this.
He is.
Biden is the idiot I’m referring to, if it’s not clear.
Since both Kerry and Biden are idiots, it could have gone either way.
Actually, I meant Kerry, but wrote Biden. And of course, I wasn’t able to correct it, so I just let it stand.
Now is my opportunity to correct it.
Given the context, I thought you were talking about the other idiot. As in, he’s the one thinking that Biden provides any “leadership.”
“ younger generations already alive today won’t inherit anything resembling the world that belonged to their parents and grandparents.”
Yep, the Climate Agenda” will see to that.
Unreliable energy, huge costs for energy
eating bugs and manufactured meats.
No real cars that can travel any distance in bad weather… no cars at all !
It is the Climate Agenda that is destroying the future for you children and their children.
“younger generations already alive today won’t inherit anything resembling the world that belonged to their parents and grandparents.”
At any point in the last 500 years would the quoted words be less true? My father grew up before electronic calculators or the microwave oven. Defined benefit retirement plans sound nice but the previous generation did have drafts for wars in jungles.
Poor John K., he is going to die one day having failed in all the things he tried to do. He will be a simple and not very interesting footnote to history.
Me? I’m with this guy. “True elegance consists of not being noticed.” [George Bryan]
JK takes so many personal attacks from the right. I wonder whether he gets offsetting love from the left? He’s already got enough money… Maybe our racor gives him a happy chuckle.
He married his money. He didn’t earn it.
True, but that happened a looooong time ago. If he saved a little of his allowance, he’s rich on his own. “Earn” is a word that needs careful examination.
He is a successful gigolo.
Al Gore’s wingman.
gigolo – not a job every man can do. I do not mean to become defender of someone who does not want, need or maybe deserve defense, but truth matters. He probably was smarter than average once and nothing has ever been free.
Nah, there wasn’t any parade of women that would have paid for his “services.” You insult gigolos.
How could you be a successful gigolo and look like that?
JK tries so hard to speak wise words that he could fool sharp people – the first time. By the second time, you feel him (his writers) trying too hard. Does he even know why he lost the presidential election?
Election dysfunction?
Transparent disdain for the types who might support him?
They are getting desperate. The real world is continuing to refuse to do what the models tell it to do, and the scam is falling apart before they were able to seal their takeover of western governments.
The next step is going to be growing levels of violence against non-believers.
You do not have to worry about that. This non-believer does not believe in fighting fair.
“indisputable evidence”
Now, there’s an oxymoron delivered by a moron.
The ‘First Climate Scientist’ was a guy in Ancient Greece.
All he did was to wonder:
That this condition persists through the daytime…
THEN – a couple of hours before sunset it all reverses
The Greek Guy wondered why that was.
John Kerry: Do you know why that is? Do you even notice it happening?
Climate Science: Do you know why that is? Do you even notice it happening?
I ain’t holding any breath waiting for an answer.
They are all lying by omission: To answer that question means trashing the entire theory of the Green House Gas Effect
Not quite. That CO2 and other trace gases act as ‘greenhouses gases’ is not in dispute.
What is in dispute is that while the real science says the effect is minimal, they say its stupendous and will lead to catastrophe.
NO ! CO2 is a “radiatively active” gas.
As such, it acts as a conduit for a thin frequency band of weak infrared energy by transferring it to other molecules where it is dealt with by normal atmospheric energy interchange.
There is absolutely no evidence that it traps convective heat as a greenhouse does, or causes warming of any sort.
The term “greenhouse gas” is a total misnomer.
(Except in the sense that CO2 is used in greenhouse to enhance plant growth.)
”Greenhouse effect” is an old term hailing from earlier times when it was assumed the glass in a greenhouse let IR in but wasn’t as good at letting it out. Someone actually calculated some heat transfer and determined that hindering convection was how greenhouses mostly conserved warmth. Arguing the pedigree of the term isn’t changing the molecular cross section of CO2 to IR…..
I dispute it. So there is at least one.