Bill Gates Climate Rant: "Representative Democracy is a Problem"

UK International Development Secretary Justine Greening meeting with Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation during his visit to London earlier today. Picture: Russell Watkins/DFID
UK International Development Secretary Justine Greening meeting with Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation during his visit to London earlier today. Picture: Russell Watkins/DFID, source Wikimedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t James Delingpole – Microsoft founder and entrepreneur Bill Gates has joined the growing ranks of green activists, who think that ordinary people aren’t qualified to choose who should govern them.

According to Gates;

… Those who study energy patterns say we are in a gradual transition from oil and coal to natural gas, a fuel that emits far less carbon but still contributes to global warming. Gates thinks that we can’t accept this outcome, and that our best chance to vault over natural gas to a globally applicable, carbon-free source of energy is to drive innovation “at an unnaturally high pace.”

When I sat down to hear his case a few weeks ago, he didn’t evince much patience for the argument that American politicians couldn’t agree even on whether climate change is real, much less on how to combat it. “If you’re not bringing math skills to the problem,” he said with a sort of amused asperity, “then representative democracy is a problem.” What follows is a condensed transcript of his remarks, lightly edited for clarity. …

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Some other highlights – Bill Gates on Renewable energy;

Well, there’s no fortune to be made. Even if you have a new energy source that costs the same as today’s and emits no CO2, it will be uncertain compared with what’s tried-and-true and already operating at unbelievable scale and has gotten through all the regulatory problems, like “Okay, what do you do with coal ash?” and “How do you guarantee something is safe?” Without a substantial carbon tax, there’s no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch. …

On the need for more government;

… Realistically, we may not get more than a doubling in government funding of energy R&D—but I would love to see a tripling, to $18 billion a year from the U.S. government to fund basic research alone. Now, as a percentage of the government budget, that’s not gigantic. But we are at a time when the flexibility—because of health costs and other things, but primarily health costs—of the budget is very, very squeezed. But you could do a few-percent tax on all of energy consumption, or you could use the general revenue. This is not an unachievable amount of money. …

Bill Gates has attracted significant controversy during his career, for example when he accused developers of free software of being communists, when they refused to give Microsoft unfettered rights to exploit their work. Gates has also spent a lot of time in courtrooms defending Microsoft from accusations of sharp business practices, of being a monopoly, of violating anti-trust laws. So to me personally, it is no surprise that Gates’ response to the difficulty of convincing people to accept his point of view on climate change, is to express authoritarian contempt for ordinary people having such freedoms.

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November 3, 2015 6:59 pm

“Representative Democracy is a Problem” … so is Windows 8, and the Windows 10 upgrade

Reply to  JDN
November 3, 2015 7:00 pm

+10,000 ( give or take two degrees )

Reply to  JDN
November 3, 2015 7:15 pm

I upgraded to Windows 10. Boy, what a mistake that was. At the moment I can’t be bothered to do a system restore and reinstall all my apps, but I am seriously considering it as some important external hardware (A simple USB hard drive) now no longer works reliably.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 9:10 pm

My wife upgraded to Windows 10. She’s now running a Mac.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 9:28 pm

I believe the corporate world is preparing to go down the migration path from Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 to 10. I believe it will be a disaster similar to Windows 8. Absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7 (32 or 64 bit). I have to stick with “Windoze” because of the IT world I work in. In fact the last site I worked at migrated from Novell to Microsoft, and then the New South Wales Govn’t (Australia) outsourced the whole lot.

Björn from sweden
Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 9:38 pm

Dammit people, migrate to open source! Install linux parallell to your windows and use only windows when absolutely necessary. will get you started. Open source is democracy, it is a beautiful concept and it works. I dont understand why people think they must pay for an OS, i really dont.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 9:49 pm

I understand what you say, unfortunately (Fortunately for me as it pays me beer tokens every month) the corporate world is locked in to this path. But from what I understand, the Windows 10 licensing model is different whereby you effectively “rent” the OS and any applications. No more the once off cost of a license key. I, and many other users, am stuck with M$ as I use it 99% of the time.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 10:05 pm

Wife’s computer is 10-mine is XP guess which one is the more stable and reliable.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 10:16 pm

XP of course! If I did not need more than 4GB RAM (I do a lot of VMWare work…need lots of RAM), I’d still be using it.

Reply to  Patrick
November 3, 2015 10:20 pm

I refuse to “upgrade” to Windows 10. Windows 8 was bad enough – managed to get back to windows 7 on my computer…

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 1:44 am

My laptop refuses to be upgraded. It dies at boot.

David Wells
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 3:51 am

I use windows 10 across the board, runs perfectly in completely contrast to windows 8 which was a complete nightmare to install and only worked after spending nearly 15 hours on the phone with Microsoft.
I only use Photoshop, Bridge and Lightroom and whilst there are still a few issues with graphics card problems which are more likely due to Adobe than windows, they also work faster than before.
What continues to surprise me is how guys like Gates can be so smart within their own specific discipline yet completely stupid when they presume to understand a subject which should be within their grasp – numbers – but clearly not. Gates wouldn’t parrot someone’s ideas about his own discipline without verification especially if it affected his wallet but when it comes to matters about climate he apparently presumes to know everything without looking at the data. Microsoft data???

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 4:44 am

Agree w/Bjorn — good idea to have a couple Linux distros alongside Windoz (I have Puppy and Mint). They’re free & have secure download repositories for about any programs you need.

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 5:23 am

The problem with Windows 10 is, not that it isn’t ready, is that it tracks you every which it can. At one time, Microsoft mocked Google for all the tracking they do; now Microsoft has made Windows do what Google does. If I want to thwart Google or Facebook, I just don’t use them. What can I do when my operating system tracks me? Just because something doesn’t cost money doesn’t mean it is free. Do you really think a publicly traded multi-billion dollar corporation would give away an expensive piece of software because they like you?
If you do get Windows 10, be sure to read up on and then turn off all tracking. This includes turning off Cortana, Bing search, and telemetry. A program called O&O ShutUp10 will help. Also, be sure to download a proper start menu, such as Classic Shell.

Stronzo Bestiale
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 5:29 am

How odd.
Upgrading to Win 10 x64 was painless here compared to previous upgrades: no need to reinstall all applications. A pleasant first.
After the last updates patches, runs absolutely solid on all our systems.
Now no hardware or software issues and better UI organization than Win 8.1 x64.
A separate issue from Bill Gates beliefs regarding AGW with which I do not agree.
My own view being so-called AGW is the worst example of cargo cult junk pseudoscience in the history of science to-date.

Titan 28
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 6:28 am

Sorry to hear your news, Patrick. I too did the Windows 10 upgrade. It destroyed my computer in the sense that it failed to completely install and left me on the DOS prompt page stuck in an eternal loop I could never escape. Had to buy a new computer, which runs Windows 10. I have to say, so far, it’s not a bad operating system. That free upgrade stuff might have been in fact a murderous Trojan Horse. I can’t believe I fell for it.

Barbara Skolaut
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 10:12 am

My firm IT upgraded us to Windoze 11 – so I did too at home (need to match work so our IT can help me at home when I’m on the network, and sometimes even when I’m not). Dunno what I’ll do when I have to retire and no longer have the free help.

george e. smith
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 12:19 pm

I still like M$ DOS 3.2
It’s been downhill ever since. The hardware speedups can’t keep up with the bloat ware slowdowns.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 7:08 pm

Upgraded both my PCs to win 10 from win 7. Both went perfectly, didn’t have to reinstall anything. Everything runs faster too.

Reply to  Patrick
November 5, 2015 12:03 am

I don’t know what kind of weird failures you guys are encountering. I upgraded my machines from 7 to 10 and they are definitely working better, faster, cleaner, using less RAM, and don’t need an aftermarket menu to work like 7.
Windows 10 is a great workstation platform, the Win10 team is committed to fixing any audio or video issues for the apps I most use, and so far I have encountered none (I saw a BSOD once, when my ancient 560Ti failed randomly last month, but that’s hardly an OS issue).
I have an i7-4790K @ 4GHz, Asus Z97-A, 16Gb RAM, a GeForce GTX960 with 2Gb and 3 monitors, the OS is on a 240Gb SSHD, and data is on about 10 HDs. Solid, middle of the road machine.

Reply to  JDN
November 3, 2015 10:06 pm

Bill Gates never knew a customer he didn’t want to rip off.

John Law
Reply to  JDN
November 3, 2015 11:20 pm

Bill can probably organise camps where you can be re-educated and learn to love “Windows”!

Reply to  John Law
November 4, 2015 6:42 am

… or they will sue everybody who doesn’t go to Windows 10 under the RICO statutes

Reply to  John Law
November 4, 2015 8:43 am

Bill Gates
“then representative democracy is a problem.”

It’s always a ‘problem’ when YOU live under “representative democracy”.
The warmists that scream loudest largely live in comfortable, western representative democracies. A good standard of living and freedom of speech. Anyone in the USA or UK who says they don’t have it should go live for 5 years in China, Egypt, Iran, Burundi and all that jazz…………….then come back and report to us – if you are out of jail that is. 😉

Reply to  John Law
November 4, 2015 4:27 pm

Speaking of “education”:
US State Department-Microsoft public-private monopolistic partnership for a better world. What could possibly go wrong?

George Lawson
Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 1:03 am

Why are we discussing his business activities? It’s his his ridiculous statements on climate that should be our concern.

Reply to  George Lawson
November 4, 2015 5:16 am

Yes. If “bringing math skills to the table” is a prerequisite, why are HIS so poor? Maybe he should stick to his zeros and ones . . .

Reply to  George Lawson
November 4, 2015 6:43 am

Because, George, Bill Gates has proven himself to be anything but honest and law-abiding in his business dealings. That character flaw apparently carries over to his statements on climate, which are just more devious, self-serving garbage.

Reply to  George Lawson
November 4, 2015 2:27 pm

You should know the Gates is a High School graduate who DROPPED OUT OF HARVARD (where he played Poker instead of studying) and then started M$ where he finagled the biggest Jack Pot in history. He has the IQ but not any sort of education. He epitomes the Dunning-Kruger effect. His money insulates him from reality and also enables his arrogance. As far as I can tell everything he has dabbled in his eleemosynary quest has turned to dross likewise his education efforts.
Dan Kurt

M Seward
Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 3:03 am

Actually Windows is the problem. It always was and still is basically the McDonalds OS. Cyber junk food. And Bill Gates was the creep who made his billions selling the trashcode to the world. I’ll take a rain check on pretty much anything that weasel says.

Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 5:49 am

I find it hilarious that Bill Gates, who made his fortune by Pirating CPM Basic and claiming it as his own work and then charging Customers for every mistake made in the Software (Please buy the next Upgrade), should be calling for more Government Funding. Like that has worked in the past! It’s no wonder that back in the early DOS days, Microsoft Software was compared to buying a car without the back wheels and complaining about the dragging sound – Oh, Rear Wheels come with Version 1.02 and then after buying Version !.02, your car is discovered to have No Brakes, which coincidentally comes with Version 1,1!

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 8:26 am

You remember CPM? That was back in S-100 days. Almost 40 years ago.

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 8:40 am

Yes “M Simon”, my first “PC” was a hand built IMSAI 8080 S-100 machine. I used an old Western Electric W-30 as my Input – Output device. Stored Programs on paper Tape. Designed after the older Altai 8800, the S-100 bus was the mainstay of early Homebrew Computing.

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 8:42 am

Sorry for the Typo – Altair 8800

Jean Parisot
Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 10:40 am

He remains a thief. A very successful, very rich thief.

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 10:59 am

“who made his fortune by Pirating CPM Basic and claiming it as his own work ”
You seem to have mixed up a couple of stories here.
I’m not aware of a claim that he pirated CP/M BASIC. He wrote BASIC for the Altair 8800 before CP/M existed. Although he is said to have stolen computer time on Harvard’s PDP-10 for that development, I’m not aware of anyone saying he stole the code. Microsoft did have a nice BASIC for CP/M, but I’ve never before seen anyone claim he stole it. He did get in a legendary kerfuffle with those who were passing around pirated copies of his Altair BASIC.
Microsoft did buy what became MS-DOS from a third party who had developed it based on the CP/M documentation. From what I’ve seen in detailed discussions online, claims that it was a pirate port of CP/M look to be mistaken. No links because this was many years ago.
I still use CP/M and occasionally use Microsoft’s CP/M BASIC. I highly recommend both; they’re not obsolete until something better comes along.

Steve P
Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 2:33 pm

re: Bill Gates and BASIC
It’s an interesting point.
In 1964, John G. Kemeny and Thomas E. Kurtz designed the original BASIC language at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire. […]The designers of the language decided to make the compiler available free of charge so that the language would become widespread.
One of the first BASICs to appear was Tiny BASIC, a simple BASIC variant designed by Dennis Allison at the urging of Bob Albrecht of the Homebrew Computer Club. He had seen BASIC on minicomputers and felt it would be the perfect match for new machines like the MITS Altair 8800. How to design and implement a stripped-down version of an interpreter for the BASIC language was covered in articles by Allison in the first three quarterly issues of the People’s Computer Company newsletter published in 1975 and implementations with source code published in Dr. Dobb’s Journal of Tiny BASIC Calisthenics & Orthodontia: Running Light Without Overbyte. Versions were written by Li-Chen Wang and Tom Pittman.
In 1975 MITS released Altair BASIC, developed by Bill Gates and Paul Allen as the company Micro-Soft, which eventually grew into corporate giant Microsoft. The first Altair version was co-written by Gates, Allen, and Monte Davidoff.

So, probably not too much original work by Gates, Allen, and Davidoff.

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 2:44 pm

Here is how MS/DOS came to be.
GAtes’ mom was on the IBM board. When the company needed a programming language for their PC project, she suggested they contact her son and his colleagues, which IBM did, acquiring rights to their version of Basic.
Microsoft had never written an operating system, so Gates suggested that IBM investigate an OS called CP/M (Control Program for Microcomputers), written by Gary Kildall of Digital Research. Kindall had his Ph.D. in computers and had written the most successful operating system of the time, selling over 600,000 copies of CP/M, his operating system set the standard at that time. (I used it on my Kay-Pro.)
IBM tried to contact Gary Kildall for a meeting in SF, but he was out of town. Its executives did meet with Mrs. Kildall, who refused to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
IBM soon returned to Gates and gave Microsoft a contract to write a new operating system, which would eventually wipe out Kildall’s CP/M.
The “Microsoft Disk Operating System” or MS-DOS was based on Microsoft’s purchase of QDOS, the “Quick and Dirty Operating System”, written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products, for their prototype Intel 8086 based computer.
However, ironically, QDOS was based (or copied from, as some historians feel) on Kildall’s CP/M. Paterson had bought a CP/M manual and used it as the basis to write his operating system in six weeks. QDOS differed enough (although trivially) from CP/M to be considered legally a different product. IBM had deep enough pockets in any case probably to have won an infringement case, if they had needed to protect their product. Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM and Microsoft deal a secret from Paterson and his company, Seattle Computer Products.

Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 7:32 pm

Please permit me to correct my prior statement.
Bill’s mom wasn’t on the IBM board. The IBM chairman was on the board of United Way with Mrs. Gates. That was the connection that led to the crony capitalist, monopolist, socialist scumbag Bill making his ill-gotten gains.

Steve P
Reply to  sz939
November 4, 2015 8:50 pm

Steve P
November 4, 2015 at 2:33 pm
re: Bill Gates and BASIC
Source for italicized text was Wikipedia article on BASIC.

Reply to  sz939
November 5, 2015 8:48 am

“So, probably not too much original work by Gates, Allen, and Davidoff.”
Try this bit, from the Wikipedia TRS-80 page in the section about its BASIC:
Level I Basic was based on Li-Chen Wang’s free Tiny BASIC, additional functions added by Radio Shack….
Level I BASIC was not tokenized—reserved words were stored literally. In order to maximize the code that could be crammed into 4K of memory users could enter abbreviations for reserved words. For example, writing “P.” instead of “PRINT” thus saving 3 bytes.
Level II BASIC was licensed from Microsoft. It was a cut-down version of the 16 KB Extended BASIC,..

Not stated explicitly is that Level II BASIC *was* tokenized.
I’ve used both Level I and Level II BASIC on the TRS-80. There is a world of difference between the two. Level II BASIC is similar to Microsoft’s CP/M BASIC that I still use occasionally.
A glib statement that Gates couldn’t have done any original work because source to Tiny BASIC was available is evidence of nothing.

Steve P
Reply to  sz939
November 5, 2015 2:11 pm

“A glib statement that Gates couldn’t have done any original work because source to Tiny BASIC was available is evidence of nothing.”
Well, in my view, everything is always evidence of something, but I didn’t base my assessment of Gates’ work merely on the availability of the Tiny BASIC source in that time frame.
Your comment overlooks the rest of the material I quoted, which begins with the decisive fact that the original work on BASIC was done In 1964, by John G. Kemeny and Thomas E. Kurtz.
What Gates et all did is more precisely defined, I think, as a port, and as I see it, that’s not really original work; it’s an implementation, or adaptation.
In software engineering, porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed (e.g. different CPU, operating system, or third party library).
— Wikipedia

Now understand I’m not necessarily trying to diminish what Gates and Allen accomplished, and considering what they had to work with, it was a remarkable achievement. Others may have recognized the potential of the new microprocessor, but only Gates had the balls to get on the horn with MITS.
I’ve used several versions of BASIC beginning with Applesoft on the Apple II+ and continuing with several DOS flavors up through Quick BASIC. I could tangle spaghetti with the best of ’em, but all the BASIC pastas had a somewhat different flavor, and syntax.
What Gates has said here about representative democracy is not that original either. Rich elites have been saying much the same thing for a long time.

Steven Hales
Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 6:14 am

I am Ctrl-Alt-Del, I am IE under Windows 10 because Edge does not support extensions.

Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 8:17 am

I don’t know what you all are complaining about. Windows 10 is a nice OS that for my 3 computers, runs nicely. HP hardware on the other hand, I have had no end of problem with my 2 HP computers from a hardware standpoint.

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
November 4, 2015 9:26 am

>Windows 10 is a nice OS…
I’ve been running GNU/Linux machines for so long, I have no idea how to use Windows at all.
There are so many things I would miss if I had to downgrade to Windows. So… I really don’t know how all you Windows people get by without things like:
-a built in compiler.
-man pages.
-a built in database.
-and a package system which contains a massive number of applications all available for install at the touch a button.

Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 9:37 am

The problem in this case is not Windows 8 or the Windows 10 upgrade. The problem is that Bill Gates is from the Seattle area and has never left for more than brief periods. The Seattle area is the “world” that Bill Gates grew up in and continues to live in. He has been running in the same social circles his entire “adult” life. The Seattle elite by most measures is more liberal than even the San Francisco elite. And they do believe very strongly that they know best.
Because he is clever and a billionaire people assume that Bill Gates would have insight in areas outside his area of expertise. We live near Seattle and have heard the stuff that Mr. Gates was parroting over and over. When we hear the same from Mr. Gates it confirms that he likely has never been a true innovator… someone able to see beyond the limitations of the world view he was indoctrinated in to.
If Gates was to actually take a hard look at the data and conclude that it does not support the AGW theory then maybe we could conclude that it is also possible for Microsoft to do something other than lumber along in a predictable evolutionary manner.

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Steven Miller
November 5, 2015 4:27 pm

To quote the line from “Fiddler on the Roof”
“When you’re rich, they think you really know…”

Reply to  D.J. Hawkins
November 5, 2015 4:36 pm

One of the best pieces of advice I got as a young man was from a wealthy old lady.
“Hunny, you need to stop admiring us wealthy types. When you get to be my age, you realize that knowing the virtues of compound interest and rolling over your dividends doesn’t mean I know anything about anything else except maybe how to make a good martini.”
I get it now. Didn’t get it then.

george e. smith
Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 10:28 am

“””””….. “If you’re not bringing math skills to the problem,” he said with a sort of amused asperity, “then representative democracy is a problem.” What follows is a condensed transcript of his remarks, …..”””””
Well now we know that he is just a very rich idiot.
But no, I don’t begrudge him one brass razoo of the rich part.
But since ALL of mathematics is ‘fictional’ ; meaning it is not real, then there are no solutions to clean energy availability to be found in the imaginative art of mathematics.
The Physical Universe contains nothing besides humans (as far as we know) that is aware of, capable of sensing or responding to, or taking any action whatsoever, in response to the output of some “math skills” exercise.
Sorry Bill; no energy solutions there I am afraid; you blew it.

Reply to  george e. smith
November 8, 2015 8:07 pm

My guess is that Bill Gates approaches this as a computer science problem. Computers may be deterministic, but the underlying physics is not (nonlinear dynamics, quantum mechanics, etc). Even if modeling deterministic differential equations, numerical methods are not so easy. Finite differences are often only conditionally stable. Floating point math is sometimes tricky (divide two complex numbers anyone?). And we haven’t even gotten to weather (pun) the model has the correct physics, chemistry, biology, … and whether it has been calibrated and validated well enough for its purposes.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  JDN
November 4, 2015 10:39 pm

The big mistake Microsoft made was in not ditching Vista. The rest is basically just Vista with ever deeper layers of gaffertape. We are still stuck with the legacy of Vista in so may ways, especially the self-referring junctions that get backups stuck in a loop.

empty pockets
Reply to  JDN
November 6, 2015 3:49 am

Now, now… let’s not beat up on the wimpy wonk. He’s just trying to protect his turf against any future competition so we’ll be stuck with his only. Oh…and he’s trying to make sure that any “ladder” that helped him get from his garage to billionaire is pulled out of reach of any who might wish to follow. He’s no “mentor”, just “mental” in the derogatory sense, like all true leftists must be to embrace contradictory beliefs.

November 3, 2015 7:02 pm

He is a mercantilist. In short: Capitalism for him, Socialism for everyone else.

Reply to  AlexS
November 3, 2015 7:55 pm

Yes, a complete hypocrite.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  AB
November 3, 2015 10:01 pm

And a very dangerous hypocrite. He has the money to buy a few thousand lefties on the cheap and enough money to destroy any conservative in his way.
All this for a man who made billions in a country which provided him the opportunity he now wants to deny others.

Reply to  AB
November 4, 2015 12:08 am

Leonard writes: “All this for a man who made billions in a country which provided him the opportunity he now wants to deny others.”
I believe this practice is called regulatory capture Leonard and it’s old as the hills. It’s the “I got mine” syndrome but it only afflicts people who really don’t have theirs. If you already have what you want, you aren’t concerned about someone else getting what they want. From this it should be apparent that Mr. Gates suffers from an incurable sense of inadequacy and insecurity. It would be sad if it happened to a nicer guy, but Bill is a little bit of a prat in real life.

Reply to  AlexS
November 3, 2015 7:58 pm

I’m confused. I thought that’s how it has always worked.

george e. smith
Reply to  guthfrith
November 5, 2015 10:55 am

November 4, 2015 at 1:32 pm
So George, …..”””””
Well db, the average citizen could at least have the common sense to not compound the felony, by voting for the same varmint twice, as many supposably smart people did.
And Just watch the same folks do it again in 2016, and give us another dynastic scoundrel, just so they can say they voted for the first dynastic scoundrel.
I fear for my Country, and for our descendants, who must pay the bills.

Reply to  george e. smith
November 5, 2015 10:59 am

I agree, George. But even the immense problem of paying the bills fades when we see how the constitution and Bill of Rights is being trashed.
Anyway, this is a real problem:

Reply to  AlexS
November 3, 2015 8:03 pm

Or … also socialism for him if his company gets into trouble. You know, like the General Motors bailout, which then proceeded to ship its factories overseas once it received US Govt funds.
Technocratic Authoritarian is probably a better term. It’s kind of like elevating yourself into a divine pantheon whilst still admitting that you’re mortal – but more divine that the average mortal of course. This is why representative democracy is such a plague for people with his mindset, because it suggests that the lower mortals have some kind of group intelligence that he should be made to submit to or be bound by popular decision.

Björn from sweden
Reply to  AlexS
November 3, 2015 9:32 pm

Representative “democracy” is a huge problem for us in sweden. We suffer under massive carbon taxes just to point out one consequence of being ruled by “representatives” who are appointed not by the people but by party leaders. Gasoline is 7$ per gallon in sweden. Why dont the people get to vote on legislation, direct democracy? Sure I know “why”, we would vote wrong. We already have in sweden the elite of morons deciding for us what is best that Bill Gates want to rule the planet. The past 20 years or so they have ruined a perfectly good country with insane immigration policy, gender bender philosophy and anti manufacturing policies. Direct democracy is the only idea that can save sweden from becoming a failed state like greece.

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 3, 2015 9:48 pm

Agree. Switzerland is the only genuine democracy in the world and power is de-centrallized – as it should be among a free people.

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 12:33 am

You’ve described a Constitutional Republic, which is the same thing the US has. For some reason I thought Sweden was a parliamentary monarchy, ala Britain?
I don’t know about direct democracy in Switzerland, I believe Antonia may be incorrect on that point, I’ve always thought Switzerland was also a Constitutional Republic divided into Cantons? They come closer to direct democracy than any other country I know of in their (always entertaining) use of referendum, meaning democracy is more reactive than proactive in the sense the Federal government makes law with participation by the Cantons, but the people can overturn the law after it’s made through referendum? I only lived in Switzerland for a short time and I wasn’t interested in politics then, but that was the impression I got.
Personally I favor the idea of direct Constitutional democracy over a pure representative democracy because it’s just too difficult to “buy” a direct democracy, you have to convince the entire electorate. In a more perfect world (of my thinking), we’d have direct democracy (enabled by the advanced communications systems now at our disposal) coupled with the ability to assign proxies on issues we chose to, as we do in corporate elections. As long as I can chose to assign my proxy at will and at any time for the duration of my choosing and that proxy is revocable at any time I chose, I can vote the issues I feel important to me or freely chose a representative on maters I consider unimportant or outside my field of expertise. It would be very difficult to corrupt a system like that.

Reply to  Bartleby
November 4, 2015 10:27 am

Writes Bartleby:

I’ve always thought Switzerland was also a Constitutional Republic divided into Cantons? They come closer to direct democracy than any other country I know of in their (always entertaining) use of referendum, meaning democracy is more reactive than proactive ….

Better by far “reactive than proactive.”
Better King Log than King Stork.

When America began, we had leaders drawn from real life, who took time out to serve their country–often at great sacrifice—and then returned to their productive and neighbor-serving lives. Now, a certain class of people studies “political science” which seems to be the art of using polls and propaganda to gain power for power’s sake. Rather than serving neighbors our leaders plunder them for their own benefit.
Maybe it’s time to begin disqualifying anyone who majored in political science, and to start looking again for people who really don’t want to hold political office, but who will sacrifice to do so. If nothing else, we could at least keep the reins of power out of the hands of the kind of depraved sociopaths who now almost universally hold them.

— Bob Allen (3 June 2015)

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 12:37 am

And yes, I meant “choose” not “chose” in most of that. The “o” key on my keyboard needs special attention; it’s nearly reached its end of life…

richard verney
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 1:27 am

And how is Southern Sweden particularly Swedish women coping with the refugee/migrant crisis since I have read some very alarming stories regarding the increase in rapes.
I wonder how Swedes might have voted on this migrant policy had it been put to the people.

David Wells
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 3:59 am

Bjorn you have an easy life in Sweden petrol in Euros 1.38 per litre whereas in the UK we are paying 1.51 per litre and now we rarely grumble because before the price drop it was really high.

Owen in GA
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 5:56 am

David Wells November 4, 2015 at 3:59 am
Bjorn you have an easy life in Sweden petrol in Euros 1.38 per litre whereas in the UK we are paying 1.51 per litre and now we rarely grumble because before the price drop it was really high.

David you are paying for a liter what we are paying for the gallon in the Southeast US right now. (At least until the EPA kills all energy production for their institutional religious views.)

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 6:12 am

Bartleby: I wonder about a system of multiple proxies. I want person A to vote for me on issues of immigration, person B to vote for me on issues of tax policy, person C and so on.
Pick a person who I feel is knowledgeable in and has the time follow issues regarding a particular topic.
Since no one person is an expert in everything.
Of course, as you say, the proxies could be revoked at any time.

James the Elder
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 7:19 am

Democracy in any form has an intrinsic problem: (Paraphrasing Ben Franklin, I think) “When the people learn they can vote themselves money, it is over.” Buying votes is so much easier than working for them.

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 10:32 am

James: That’s why I would limit voting to only those who are net taxpayers.

Reply to  MarkW
November 4, 2015 2:37 pm

Define “net taxpayer” please.

george e. smith
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 1:20 pm

November 3, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Agree. Switzerland is the only genuine democracy in the world and power is de-centrallized – as it should be among a free people. …..””””
genuine democracy is another name for anarchy.
The USA is not a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. We do use Democratic processes to elect our representatives, and senators, and the States select the President via the Electoral College process.
Article IV, section 4 of the US Constitution says in part : ” The United States shall guarantee to every State in the union, a Republican form of government, and shall protect each against invasion .”…or words close to that.
Note it tells Washington what they MUST do; unlike Article I section 8 which tells the Congress the 17 things they may do.
Note; that does not mean anything about the so-called “Republican” party, which is just Democrat Lite.

Reply to  george e. smith
November 4, 2015 1:32 pm

So George,
What can the average citicen do when the chief Administrato in the country refuses to do his duty regarding protecting the populace from foreign invasion?
Anything? Or is it BOHICA?

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 4, 2015 4:09 pm

A net taxpayer is one who pays more in taxes than he/she receives in govt services. Everyone receives some govt services, even if it is just your share of police and defense spending.

Reply to  MarkW
November 4, 2015 11:26 pm

Do you believe it’s remotely possible to quantify the amount of government service any person receives? And then put a dollar value on it?
And then only allow “net taxpayers” to vote?
Natural disaster in your area? “Sorry, ma’am. That tipped you over the line; no vote for you this year…”

Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 5, 2015 2:02 pm

Easy, divide govt spending on such services by the population. Assign that amount to each person.
Or we could just declare that anyone who receives a check from the govt can’t vote again for one year.

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Björn from sweden
November 5, 2015 4:41 pm

I did a ROM calculation once, and at the time it required every person over the age of 18 to pay $20,000 per year in taxes as their “fair share” and so the government didn’t run a deficit. Simply divide the budget by the over-18 demographic. People don’t realize how much the top 20% or so really pay.

November 3, 2015 7:04 pm

More proof that this climate change fiasco has nothing to do with the climate !! It is the socialist elite trying to control the peons !!! Didn’t the world go through this already ??

Reply to  Marcuso8
November 3, 2015 7:32 pm

Bill Gates a socialist? Now really … it may be news to some, but “socialist” is not shorthand for “everything and everyone I despise.” Neither is “librul.”

Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 3, 2015 8:54 pm

Gates is closer to being communists.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 3, 2015 11:48 pm


Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 3, 2015 11:49 pm

Exactly to the comment about socialist not equaling everyone I disagree with…

richard verney
Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 4, 2015 1:23 am

If so he is of the champagne variety.
Any true socialist or communist would give away all their wealth so that they had no more wealth than the average citizen. Until that happens, they are simply hypocrites espousing ‘do what I say, not what I do’.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 4, 2015 6:13 am

Just because he made his money in a capitalist system, doesn’t make him a capitalist. It’s his views of what the system should be, that define him.

Tom Yoke
Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 4, 2015 12:32 pm

It may be a bit much to call Gates a socialist, but no one should ever expect business men as a group to be champions of free markets. There is no evidence that they are, and much evidence that many business men will gladly attempt to curry favor with coercive rulers in order to advance their personal interests. Lenin famously said that Capitalists would “sell us the rope we hang them with”.
Gates is largely a product of free enterprise, not a champion of it.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
November 8, 2015 3:31 pm

“The goal of socialism is communism.” – Vladimir Lenin

Reply to  Marcuso8
November 3, 2015 9:50 pm

I feel it’s just top-down (elitist) vs bottom-up (egalitarian) , which is the immediate goal in this game . . Once that is clearly achieved, it’s immaterial what was payed lip-service to, by whom . . often just for our confusion and distraction I believe.

Reply to  JohnKnight
November 4, 2015 2:54 pm

JohnKnight commented : …I feel it’s just top-down (elitist) vs bottom-up (egalitarian)…”
It’s both. That is the central theme from the book “And Not A Shot Is Fired” by one of the architects of the Communist takeover of Hungary. Remember? One of those ‘conspiracy theories’?

Reply to  JohnKnight
November 4, 2015 9:22 pm


mark leskovar
Reply to  JohnKnight
November 4, 2015 9:57 pm

Oops…..Czechoslovakia, not Hungary. Brain fart. Make sense now? The author, Jan Kozak constantly referred to the “top down, bottom up” pressure exerted on influential people mainly through media control and peer pressure to conform. It was a grand plan of subversion successfully carried out behind the scenes to topple the incumbent government and replace it with Communists faithful to the Kremlin.

Reply to  JohnKnight
November 5, 2015 7:05 pm

Yes, that helps, Mark . . I just meant actual/organic bottom-up. as opposed to a few “elites” having the vast majority of power, by law.

george e. smith
Reply to  Marcuso8
November 5, 2015 11:04 am

A ” net taxpayer ” is somebody who still has a job, if taxation were abolished.
If your pay check comes from the Federal Treasury, you ain’t a taxpayer.
And no; it is true that we do need some of you. Mostly what we need are those who carry something that goes bang, or boom. You are the ones that the Congress is authorized to collect taxes to pay for.
The sneak attack is that Article I Section 8, clause one also tells the Congress, they may collect taxes to pay for the National Debt.
So the 535 scoundrels put everything on the credit card, which the CIC gleefully signs up for, and then they use 1-8-1 to pay off the credit card; well that’s the theory, but they just never make a payment on the credit card.

November 3, 2015 7:09 pm

“Representative Democracy is a Problem”
That’s the attitude of someone who is surrounded by sycophants telling him he’s the greatest brain EVAH!!
Gates was in the right place at the right time, and he’s fabulously wealthy as a result. But like lots of other lucky folks, he believes he knows what’s best for everyone else.
I really wish Gates would come here, and try to argue his climate nonsense. He would find out pretty fast that he may know how to sell software, but he doesn’t know jack about what makes the climate tick. He probably doesn’t even know that there are no measurements quantifying what he believes in.

Reply to  dbstealey
November 3, 2015 10:10 pm

His software is full of bugs and went from being useful to harrowing. I wish Microsoft had never existed.

richard verney
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 4, 2015 1:19 am

In reality it was instrumental in rolling out the home PC, so one should not overlook what Microsoft help give the world. Whether it has now passed its sell by date, or benefits too much from a position of monopoly is a different matter

Reply to  RockyRoad
November 4, 2015 6:16 am

Microsoft is not, and never was a monopoly. Not even close. There have always been viable alternatives.
The fact that most people voluntarily choose MS over the others is not evidence that MS is a monopoly.

richard verney
Reply to  RockyRoad
November 4, 2015 8:29 am

I beg to differ. In the home PC market, there is either Mac or Windows. Of course, there are other OS out there, but these are only used by people who have more than a basic knowledge of computing skills, and therefore outside the home PC market place.
Just go into the usual High Street stores. how many machines are sold without an OS, or say with Linux? Very far and few between. A Monopoly does not have to be the only player in town, and Microsoft is clearly a monopoly, and that is of course, how Mr Gates has made his money, and shed loads of it at that.

Reply to  RockyRoad
November 4, 2015 10:35 am

Richard: You don’t get to make up your own definitions of words.
As long as their are viable options, then Microsoft cannot be a monopoly.
Just because one of those options is more popular, doesn’t make Microsoft a monopoly.
You could buy computers without operating systems, you just couldn’t do it at the big box retailers.
Lazy consumers don’t make a monopoly either.

Reply to  MarkW
November 4, 2015 2:55 pm

Lack of competition isn’t necessary to have a monopoly. Lack of VIABLE competition is sufficient.

A natural monopoly is a monopoly in an industry in which it is most efficient (involving the lowest long-run average cost) for production to be permanently concentrated in a single firm rather than contested competitively. This market situation gives the largest supplier in an industry, often the first supplier in a market, an overwhelming cost advantage over other actual and potential competitors…

When Ma Bell monopolized telephone service, you had plenty of choices… smoke signals, letters, ESP, telegrams…
IIRC the real sticking point regarding whether Microsoft engaged in monopolistic practices wasn’t the lack of competition so much as the issue of how vital Microsoft’s product category was to our economy, to businesses and to private individuals.

Reply to  RockyRoad
November 4, 2015 4:11 pm

takeback: Which is why I specified that there were many viable alternatives to MS.

Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2015 12:01 am

You may be confusing “viable” with “available and superior, but not economical or practical for businesses and the average private user to switch to.”
Viable in this context means what the definition above stated–It would cause no harm or loss of income to switch products. When business client market share is north of 80%; when most proprietary and commercial business software is written for your OS; when government regulators and clients all use a standard OS… you’re a monopoly.
Doesn’t really matter. This article demonstrates a serious flaw in the collective American psyche: we worship the wealthy. Why does Gates get any attention at all? Rich.

Reply to  RockyRoad
November 5, 2015 2:04 pm

In your mind, any option that consumers do not chose, is by definition, not viable?

Reply to  dbstealey
November 3, 2015 11:53 pm

So, Bill Gates places himself ‘up there’ in the ‘Royalty’ class of society now, because he has become rich off the lower classes…Because he had some ingenuity and built himself an empire. That must certainly give him the integrity, intellectual and moral authority to look down upon the common man and decide that they do not have what it takes to be able to govern themselves.
Certainly, God must have looked down upon Mr. Gates and handed to him this inspiration…The innate superiority over the common man. To decide and proclaim his authority over us because of the superior station in life he currently finds himself in. If not for God, then by his immense personal appeal and intellectual prowess. That should be adequate reason for his consideration of himself as being superior to most of the rest of the common people and that the common man/woman do not have what it takes to govern themselves.
What an A**hole and narcissistic, enemy of freedom and the Constitution. This person should have everything the American people spent on his products returned to them and anything he has ever said about freedom or democracy questioned for the probable lies they were.
What a piece of shit Bill Gates is.

Reply to  Dahlquist
November 4, 2015 12:40 am

Dahlquist, your point about the regal pretensions of Gates and others of his ilk is very appropriate IMO.
I have mentioned before the powerful effect that the recent Magna Carta exhibition at Durham Cathedral had on me and others, the theme being the influence of that document down the centuries and across oceans.
One illustration referred to Charles I who said that between king and subjects there was an unbridgeable gulf. The role of subjects (you and me ) was to submit to the decisions made by those who ruled, without having any involvement in the decisions. The Commons thought otherwise, and until recent times their verdict gained universal acceptance in advanced societies.
Gates appears to want to turn the world back to before that chilly dawn of Jan 30 1649.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Dahlquist
November 4, 2015 7:41 am

This rant shows the fundamental reason why death is designed into our DNA. Everyone eventually sees themselves as God. EVERYONE. Death is the mechanism that prevents powerful tyrants from being durably tyrannical. Bill Gates knows he is going to die soon, and thereby lose all of his influence. He is so megalomaniacal, he is desperately trying to design post humus durability and influence. It is the same for Ray Kutzweil and Larry Page. They seek to be immoral. Not by way of their children, but by way of their egos, their selves. I however refer you to Ozymandias.
In as much as it is human nature for powerful men to be tyrants, it is equally human nature for we critics to bring them down to earth. We are dust and unto dust we shall return.
I have limited my need for any microsoft products, google products etc. I even got rid of my cell phone.
People are much more interesting and warm compared to the gadgets designed by trans-humanist wackos.

Reply to  Dahlquist
November 4, 2015 8:17 pm

The Magna Carta is surely the most important and enlightened document concerning Government ever written. It opened the minds and eyes of many people… It’s concept led to the advancements we have, as a civilization, made to this day. And to think that there are still people who would claim tyranny as an acceptable form of governance these days.
I find that the more I hear about the beliefs of many on the left the more I believe that their minds are only half formed. All the freedoms, concern for their fellow man, love, peace, the environment, etc. that they pronounce as their core really boils down to ‘if you don’t believe as I do, you do not deserve my respect as a human, for only my beliefs are righteous’.

Reply to  Dahlquist
November 4, 2015 8:26 pm

Okay, I should have spent a little more time on the formation of my thoughts while writing the previous, but I didn’t. Sorry. I hope you got the point.
On another issue, FOX News reported on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet story from NASA, which was written up as an article here on WUWT yesterday. It is a shame more of these reporters aren’t more informed on the science and issues of climate change and CAGW.
And what the hell is DAGW? New term? Dangerous, devastating, diabolical, disasterous, damaging?

Reply to  dbstealey
November 4, 2015 1:13 am

dbstealey writes: “like lots of other lucky folks, he believes he knows what’s best for everyone else.”
Which, in a nutshell, suggests he learned absolutely nothing from his misadventures with the LANMGR. I mean, as long as MS-DOS was an island he couldn’t do too much damage, but putting Windows on the network was a crime.

Edmonton Al
Reply to  dbstealey
November 4, 2015 5:27 am

I totally agree. Where is that man??? Come onto WUWT Billy Boy.

Reply to  dbstealey
November 4, 2015 5:31 pm

That’s right. The OLPC (one laptop per child) project was instructive. The idea was to make the cheapest laptop possible for the world’s poor, to get them into the information society and help break them out of poverty. It was to run linux. But Billy & MS persuaded them to add about $2 of extra components so he could sell them windows for a few dollars.
Just imagine it! Going to heaps of trouble so he could scrape a few bucks out of the pockets of desperately poor people without even a millionth of his wealth. What a morally dirty, stinking man!

November 3, 2015 7:11 pm

Well, I don’t know about all that, but I do know WUWT is running a lot faster now.
Still a bit of a delay.
YAY !!!

November 3, 2015 7:13 pm

Hey Bill, how about we start our new Socialist Utopia off by redistributing ALL your wealth to people like Bob Tisdale who actually know what they are talking about ??

Reply to  Marcuso8
November 3, 2015 8:51 pm

+ as many billions Gates has ( just to even things out).

November 3, 2015 7:14 pm

I think he is deluded into thinking his grand vision of the world is the only answer. Dangerous for a man with his resources. I do like his ability to enable health resources in third world countries though.

Reply to  markl
November 3, 2015 8:52 pm

I wish he would add cheap energy to that, it would alleviate many of the health problems in the first place. ( he is a hypocrite)

November 3, 2015 7:16 pm

Why did the article have to play the man and not the ball at the end? Casts doubt on everything else said before…. and it’s such a cheap shot.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 3, 2015 8:19 pm

If you think the points you have made earlier can stand on their merits, why do you need to write the stuff at the end? Give me a big profile businessman that has achieved close to what Gates has, without ruffling a few feathers somewhere along the line. Not possible I’d say.

Reply to  Simon
November 3, 2015 8:36 pm

The comments were good illustrations of Gates’ hypocrisy. When a man declares something is sinful he places his own record into the discussion.

Reply to  Simon
November 3, 2015 9:06 pm

The man in this case is the ball. It’s about Bill Gates and his opinions. It is not about the merits of democracy.

Reply to  Simon
November 3, 2015 11:57 pm

Microsoft was founded on DOS, an operating system that Gates patched together from many other innovators’ ideas, then convinced IBM to adopt. Throughout its history, it has relied on buying good software others have written. Except for early Microsoft Word, Microsoft’s own software is largely a joke. Gates isn’t a good software engineer, isn’t particularly creative, isn’t particularly smart and has authoritarian tendencies. He’s just a lucky deceptive nerd who stumbled into a billion dollar career.
That’s how the article SHOULD have ended, Simon. There’s very little to admire about Gates.

Edmonton Al
Reply to  takebackthegreen
November 4, 2015 5:33 am

And I believe that Gates’ father is/was a big time lawyer who knew how to get IBM to agree to a licensing agreement. [correct me if I am wrong. thanks]

Steve P
Reply to  takebackthegreen
November 4, 2015 7:51 am

“Microsoft was founded on DOS”
The way I remember it, Micro-Soft’s first product was a BASIC interpreter:
The idea that would spawn Microsoft germinated when Paul Allen showed Bill Gates the January 1, 1975 issue of Popular Electronics that demonstrated the Altair 8800. Allen and Gates saw potential to develop an implementation of the programming language BASIC for the system. Bill Gates called the creators of the new microcomputer, Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems (MITS), offering to demonstrate the implementation in order to win a contract with the company. Allen and Gates had neither an interpreter nor an Altair system, yet in the eight weeks before the demo they developed an interpreter. When Allen flew to Albuquerque, New Mexico to meet with MITS, the interpreter worked and MITS agreed to distribute Altair BASIC. Allen and Gates left Boston, where Allen worked for Honeywell and Gates was enrolled in Harvard, moved to Albuquerque (where MITS was located), and co-founded Microsoft there. Revenues of the company totaled $16,005 by the end of 1976.
For users of Win 7 or 8 wanting to avoid auto-upgrade to Win 10, be sure to turn off auto update:
I now use Linux Mint 17.1 running from USB drive for my online work.
It’s not difficult to download the ISO, and install onto thumb drive using Universal USB installer.
Your computer will have some start-up option to boot from other devices like DVD drive or USB drive, normally accessed at boot-up by selecting the appropriate key, F12 on my old, doggy Toshiba laptop.
For all other work not requiring the internet, I use a stand-alone tin box on the floor running Win XP.

george e. smith
Reply to  takebackthegreen
November 5, 2015 11:22 am

I use M$ Word (to write), Excel (to cackleate and graph), and Powerpoint (to make picture presentations).
I do write, cackleate, and pitchers, in all three of those programs. And it drives me mad that each one of those programs has its own user interface.
I can do super and sub scripts in Word, but not in Excel or Powerpoint. Excel math is like trying to play a Berlioz Symphony on a tenor recorder, or transverse flute.
And It so happens that I hate the sound of a closed flute that only has odd harmonics.
Gates needs to fire the project managers for all three of those programs, (and probably their data base guy/gal too) and tell somebody to make the user interface the same for ALL of their programs.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Simon
November 4, 2015 11:23 am

Perhaps Simon, as Mr Gates is an American we are not talking football but American football. I understand that playing the ball comes second to playing the man in that game.
As an aside, I once upgraded a Windows box, from 3.11 to 98. The worst (or best) thing I ever did to a computer. It became totally unstable and virtually unusable. After installing Mandrake life improved out of sight and I’ve not looked back at home. The difficulty has become work computers which are invariably MS machines which I struggle to understand particularly after one of the frequent “upgrades”.

george e. smith
Reply to  Richard of NZ
November 5, 2015 11:28 am

Richard, it is more correctly referred to as the ” Please don’t kick the ball ” game.
It is not like Rugby, where anybody is allowed to kick the ball any time he wants to; or like Aussie Rules, where you continue playing until somebody cold cocks the referee.
You are only allowed to kick the ball when you fail to move it otherwise, and then you kick it to the other team to see if they can move it. And you are only aloud to throw the ball to somebody who is off side.

Lew Skannen
November 3, 2015 7:20 pm

Isn’t coal ash used in cement?

Reply to  Lew Skannen
November 3, 2015 9:33 pm

Also aerated concrete. Better thermal properties than brick.

Reply to  Lew Skannen
November 3, 2015 10:21 pm

Yes it is and I know it as fly ash.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Lew Skannen
November 3, 2015 11:37 pm

Ash uses
Also good to mix with dirt for gardening.

Reply to  Lew Skannen
November 3, 2015 11:53 pm

Lew Skannen:
Yes, PF (i.e. pulverised fuel) power station fly ash has pozzolanic properties and, therefore, increases the bond strength of cement so adds to the strength of concrete.
Fly ash is cheaper than cement manufacture and costs little to mix with cement. Hence, a proportion of fly ash in cement reduces cost while increasing strength of concrete.
Many years ago while working at the UK’s Coal Research Establishment I developed a high strength brick by addition of FBC (fluidised bed combustion) ash to the clay prior to firing. The bricks were much, much stronger than standard bricks but were not wanted. A structure is designed using the official specification for minimum brick strength and bricks having more than the minimum strength makes no difference to the design.
Mixing the FBC ash with the clay had significant cost so increased the costs of bricks. Hence, a proportion of FBC ash in the bricks provided additional – and not wanted – strength to the bricks but increased the cost of the bricks.
Clearly, the market is more interested in cost than improved performance.
sarc on/ This seems to be understood by Bill Gates whose company provides products it ‘upgrades’ to reduce performance. sarc off/

Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 12:23 am

And if you are a canoeist in to that strange sport where the contestants test/compete in “waterways” that are all man-made, with grades and, well I forget, are usually made with concrete loaded with fly ash.

richard verney
Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 1:14 am

If the bricks had been made thinner but higher (so not to be too heavy to handle), they may have been quicker to lay; less courses would have been required and this would have saved some of the on site building costs. Probably not sufficiently cost efficient, but it seems a shame that a better product was not brought to market, but then again there are always compromises with any design.

Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 2:34 am

Richard Verney:
Thankyou for your comment.
You may be right: marketing is a mysterious art to me. I accepted what I was told by the Marketing Dept..
My real point was my cynical final paragraph. Gates is an expert at marketing: he repeatedly sells faulty products that purport to be ‘better’ than previous products but are not, and he has made a fortune doing it.

Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 6:22 am

If the design was already finished, I can understand them not wanting to go back through the design and approval process all over again. If they were to merely replace regular bricks with your bricks on a 1 to 1 basis, it would be for no benefit. To get the benefit of your bricks they would have to redesign the building, and the cost of that could exceed the savings from your bricks.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 7:38 am

Perhaps a good use for your FBC- modded clay would be to mold and fire it as clay roof tiles, where lighter weight and additional resistance to hail would be a great benefit. Stronger, yet thinner/lighter tiles would mean less material used per tile, helping bring costs in line with conventional tiles. Further cost savings to the builder would result from a less robust roof support structure, due to lessened overall load.
There might even be price reductions to be had by rethinking and re- engineering the mixing process.
If the Brits don’t want the tiles, sell them to the Greeks, they like clay tile roofs. The Greeks wouldn’t compete against you, since they’ve lost the plot and don’t produce anything- just make sure to get paid up front.

Reply to  richardscourtney
November 4, 2015 7:59 am

Alan Robertson:
Thankyou for your suggestions. I developed the bricks as part of my employment by the NCB and, therefore, the technology is owned by the UK government (who owned the NCB).
I refer you to my answer to Richard Verney. I don’t understand marketing and accepted what I was told by the NCB Marketing Dept.. Please note that the NCB owned the London Brick Company so was the UK’s major brick manufacturer and, therefore, knew what bricks the market wanted.
And I again stress that my real point was the final paragraph in my original post. Gates is an expert at marketing: he repeatedly sells faulty products that purport to be ‘better’ than previous products but are not, and he has made a fortune doing it.

Paul Westhaver
November 3, 2015 7:21 pm

Everyone is equal, but the pigs are MORE equal.

November 3, 2015 7:28 pm

A reason why Bill dropped out of college may be that he just didn’t like professors and grad students giving him assignments to do. He would rather be the person in control. I wonder how things changed when he was married. He did marry rather late in life.

November 3, 2015 7:36 pm

dbstealey writes: “Gates was in the right place at the right time, and he’s fabulously wealthy as a result. But like lots of other lucky folks, he believes he knows what’s best for everyone else.”
Agree 100%, but little-known addendum to “right place at the right time”–Gates’ mother was at a fancy dinner or board meeting (forget which) and was seated next to a senior exec from IBM. She was the one who suggested to IBM that they take a look at MSFT software.
So Gates wasn’t just in the right place at the right time, he had the foresight to choose rich, well-connected parents…

Reply to  Johna Till Johnson
November 3, 2015 7:50 pm

Bill also pretty much ripped of the original version of what became MS-DOS from Seattle Computer Products, stating the $50,000 for the license fee was more than enough. This was AFTER Bill made a deal with MITS that MITS only owed the first $300,000 in royalties on MS-Basic, then Bill went after PerSci (the successor to MITS) to have that deal overturned. Another good one was that a small Chicago ISP had trademarked “Internet Explorer” before MS got into the browser business, then sued the ISP stating that “Internet Explorer” was too generic to be trademarked – this from a company that Trademarked “Word”.
An interesting aside to the SCP DOS case: A biography of Gary Kildahl, the creator of CP/M, claimed that Tim Paterson of SCP had copied CP/M when creating SCP’s DOS. Paterson sued for libel and his case was thrown out because he was a “public person”. Seems to me that Paterson is far less of a public person than Mikey Mann.

November 3, 2015 7:38 pm

The one company which completely blindsided Microsoft in the future of computing is Google. They never saw it coming.
But Google just gave up on their big push for New Energy. Google finally came to understand that renewables just wont work. Maybe Mr. Gates did not see the memo.

November 3, 2015 7:41 pm

Democracy is too old. We encourage you to upgrade to Autocracy. In fact, we are going to upgrade you whether you like it or not.

Reply to  Stan
November 4, 2015 2:44 am

“A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.” ― Lysander Spooner

Reply to  Stan
November 4, 2015 3:55 am

🙂 ++

Terry Bixler
November 3, 2015 7:42 pm

Boy wonder would not be so rich if his mom did not sit on the board of IBM and suggest that her son had an OS. He did not but went out and “bought” DOS. A profiteer in every way. Now his billions make him smarter still.

Reply to  Terry Bixler
November 4, 2015 2:07 pm

Gates’ mother did not sit on the board of IBM – she was a close friend of the president of IBM’s mother. I agree with the rest of your comment.
I remain a dedicated Word Perfect user in protest against another atrocious Microsoft product – Word. I’ll spare you the rant about two weeks of my life lost trying to sort out the constantly self-renumbering footnotes – a phenomenon that occurred when I merged 12 chapters of a book I am editing for a publisher who insists on Word documents. Even after I managed to correct the footnote numbering for most chapters, when I went back they had become completely jumbled.
Another time I lost 2 complete days when my old computer died and I had to buy a new one with Windows 8, which would not work with my old files. I then had to remove that version and have Windows 7 installed.
I hope Gates encounters a purgatory (at the very least) where he has to endure all the agonies he has inflicted on those of us who are forced to use his products.

November 3, 2015 7:48 pm

I think the government should spend $18 Billion to subsidize a replacement for Microsoft products which cost too much. Until then everyone should be entitled to 1 copy of each of their products free.
Why stop at using the government subsidies to those who are looking for a replacement to fossil fuels. Let’s do the same for overpriced software.
Those who own Microsoft stock don’t need the dividends just like the retired who depend on fossil fuel stock dividends.
sarc off.

Steve M. from TN
Reply to  Catcracking
November 4, 2015 8:56 am

Open Office (free) replaces all of MS office products, and there’s an open source operating system to replace Windows…also free.

Reply to  Steve M. from TN
November 4, 2015 6:05 pm

Free was not the only point, the issue is that he wants the government to subsidize putting another tax paying private enterprise out of business while he would object to the government doing the same for his company. Microsoft sells more than MS office .which is over priced.

November 3, 2015 7:54 pm

If the DMCA was retroactively applied by 25 years Bill Gates would spend $350 Billion dollars in jail.

Lank brings to the problem
November 3, 2015 8:03 pm

Gates is quoted as …. “If you’re not bringing math skills to the problem,”. Is this a putdown of skeptics of the AGW scare?
Mr Gates – Perhaps geology, earth science, climatology, physics, logic, commonsense…… are better suited to the problem.

A Crooks
November 3, 2015 8:05 pm

“Tyrannies are democracies fully played out”. “Extreme freedom cannot be expected to lead to anything but extreme slavery.” Plato
“Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.” Plato
Two translations of the same quote I assume; but Sceptics be damned – we are approaching a “tipping point” but it has nothing to do with Climate Change – other than that climate change is the weapon of choice of the tyrannical to advance their cause.

Reply to  A Crooks
November 3, 2015 9:29 pm

Do you know the political environment that prompted Plato to write what he did? BTW, the US was founded as a Republic with heavy dose of Norse democratic heritage, not a Greek democracy.

Grey Lensman
Reply to  DesertYote
November 4, 2015 1:24 am

Nonsense. The USA is a democratic Republic. Democracy is a form of Government. Republic is a form of State. Dont confuse the two

Reply to  DesertYote
November 4, 2015 6:32 am

Grey Lensman. The US is not a democratic republic. It was designed as a representative republic to prevent majority rule. The larger states were not to impose their will on the smaller states. And yes it is a Republican from of government.

Kevin R.
Reply to  DesertYote
November 4, 2015 1:43 pm

It’s a constitutional republic.

Reply to  DesertYote
November 4, 2015 10:32 pm

Grey Lensman, for goodness sake go do some reading. Start with the Federalist Papers (aka The Federalist) where Madison, Hamilton, and Jay argue for ratification of the Constitution. They write ardently in the first several essays about the dangers and pitfalls of democracy. They believed democracy ultimately resulted in mob rule and self destruction.
And most importantly, we are a republic, not a democracy. States voted for ratification of the Constitution. There was never any democratic vote held involving all of the individuals. It was their representatives, voting en masse as a state with one vote who determined to ratify or not to ratify. The Constitution formed a union of states and says very little about individual rights. That is why the anti-federalists demanded the Bill of Rights so as to protect the rights of individuals and the respective states from an over-reaching federal government. We are a representative republic that uses democratic processes. If you can’t understand this, then your education has been a failure.

November 3, 2015 8:13 pm

Bill Gates isn’t interested in a representative democracy? What a shock. He supports Bloombergs war against the Second Amendment to the tune of millions. He wants the taxpayer to pony up for his pet projects? This is the guy that wouldn’t support his own fathers attempt to pass an income tax of 5 percent on top income earners in his home state of Washington. Typical Oligarch. Take away the rights of the average citizen and lower his standard of living to fill his own pocket.

November 3, 2015 8:18 pm

The first thing to do in our brave new world is to confiscate all wealth of Buffet, Soros and Gates.

Reply to  hunter
November 3, 2015 9:14 pm

@ hunter, +1, then redistribute it. hey I’ll be second in line after you. But sadly I think with 7 billion people on the planet it would only be a few bucks.

Reply to  asybot
November 4, 2015 6:36 am

Maybe so, but it will be much better spent by the 7 billion

November 3, 2015 8:22 pm

Just throw your Windows shit out of the window and ignore this moron.
Use Tails or any other os designed to maintain your privacy.

Reply to  JB
November 3, 2015 9:16 pm

@ JB how would I go about doing that? I am so naive about OS I haven’t got a clue.

Steve C
Reply to  asybot
November 4, 2015 12:20 am

@asybot – It’s easier than you probably think. I’m on the unfashionable side of 60 and use Tails from time to time just for a bit of privacy. Here’s an outline, but there is plenty more on what it is, how it works and how to use it on their homepage.
– 1. Go to the Tails homepage at .
– 2. Download the ISO image (about 900 MB).
– 3. Burn the image to a DVD.
– 4. Boot PC from the DVD you just made. You’re in Tails!
Steps 1 & 2 are the same as anywhere, and if you’re unsure about 3 or 4 a quick search on (eg) How To Burn Image File To DVD will find a thousand ways of telling you (or ask the mods for my email ;-). At worst you stand to lose one or two discs wrongly burned while learning.
And I agree with JB anyhow, even without added privacy. I installed Linux Mint a year or so ago with no problems whatever, and it has worked perfectly (including installations and upgrades) ever since. It has been such a positive experience that now, for me, the Hell of Gates is just history. With these poisonous views of hos coming to light, I’m very glad to be having no more truck with him.

Steve C
Reply to  asybot
November 4, 2015 12:23 am

(Typo: “hos” –> “his”.)

Reply to  asybot
November 4, 2015 6:26 am

SteveC: Do they have multiple images based on what type of hardware you have?

Steve C
Reply to  asybot
November 4, 2015 11:41 am

– They don’t seem to, though I’m not expert enough to be sure how they make it work. My guess is that they do it by having a good set of generic drivers (etc) and that that accounts for much of the 900 MB, as “live CDs” used to be, well, CD sized. But the latest version (out yesterday) boots nicely for me on a variety of salvaged PCs from the last ten years or so, however they do it.

November 3, 2015 8:22 pm

There is a problem in developing countries with sanitation and illness spread via human shit.
Many people and organisations have made great strides over the years in demonstrating the utility of composting toilet systems in countries where people currently poop in a random location at the edge of a field. There are certainly still advances to be made.
But, Gates has no time for all that.
He has personally decided that what the developing world needs now – is a toilet that looks like a looks like a major pharmaceuticals plant.
Compost, Gates compost – you shit in a hole in the ground and you cover it over and return after a year.
The material that this produces can then be used quite safely as quality compost.
Keep It Simple Stupid. Gates appears to have turned into a Howard Hughes style obsessive ego-maniac:

Reply to  indefatigablefrog
November 4, 2015 4:01 am

yeah that stunt was a ripper, the winner was something that very few if any 3rd world towns could afford or set up
treating drycompost toilet materials by placing in a black plastic bag in the sun and allowing it to reach(easily most tropical especially etc areas) 50c in the sun for a few days
kills the nasties and speeds decomposition up, then you can still add it to compost and further process.
and there are a LOT of well made affordable dry compost loos for large volume use on markets now for a whole lot less money.

Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 4, 2015 6:03 am

Yeah, some systems are better than others. Definitely open pits are no good, because they become a breeding place for maggots/flies. So, the system needs a sealed container and ideally some kind of flap.
Another idea involves a rotating drum. Slow rotation also helps to speed the composting process.
But the problems that really needed solving were invisible to Gates – because he has absolutely no familiarity with the situation in which ordinary developing world people find themselves. Living in poverty is hardly his area of expertise!!!
Here’s a nice simple rotating drum design for personal use.
Note the low number of moving parts. Always an advantage in a poor rural economy where repairs and replacements are prohibitively costly.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 4, 2015 7:59 am

Those who grew up in a time and place where pit privies were/are common, can tell tales about their less favorable aspects, not the least of which was Halloween and ornery teenage boy pranksters, putting the “little house” at risk.

November 3, 2015 8:31 pm

Clearly the only people that should be allowed to vote think just like me.

Reply to  Bernie
November 4, 2015 2:32 am

Absolutely, Bernie. Clearly the only people that should be allowed to vote think just like me. ;o)

November 3, 2015 8:35 pm

Bill Gates [William Henry “Bill” Gates III (born October 28, 1955)] is certain to be suffering from Lewy Body Dementia but at this time has not had a professional clinical diagnosis. Likely, “that” is for a reason.

Melbourne Resident
November 3, 2015 8:51 pm

As for Bill Gates ability to predict the future in a field where he should have known better:
“Here’s the legend: at a computer trade show in 1981, Bill Gates supposedly uttered this statement, in defense of the just-introduced IBM PC’s 640KB usable RAM limit: ‘640K ought to be enough for anybody.’ ”
Of course he has persistently denied he ever said it – but then again ???

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Melbourne Resident
November 3, 2015 9:33 pm

Back in ’81, 680K was more than enough.
I wrote a C program for NASA JSC that controlled a Sony U-matic video player, going through a tape cassette frame by frame, scanning for certain features, then writing the coordinates to a file. The whole program was around 48K.

Reply to  Mike McMillan
November 3, 2015 10:25 pm

I am pretty sure the bootstrap program used to boot IBM MVS in 1972 was the same as it was before MVS went to 31bit addressing (1990’s-ish).

Reply to  Mike McMillan
November 4, 2015 6:30 am

My first desktop had 640K and a 20meg hard drive.
It ran everything I needed it to run.
Of course back then RAM was hideously expensive. I investigated buying the 360K upgrade so my computer could have 1meg of RAM. It was something like $400. In 1990 dollars.
RAM prices finally dropped below $100/meg sometime around 1998.

November 3, 2015 8:59 pm

It takes a lot of money to drop out of Harvard. When the fortune Mr. Gates has made since is figured in, he is practically immune from any of the policies he or any other CAGW priest/fanatic promulgates.

November 3, 2015 9:00 pm

Bill Gates wants whatever Bill Gates wants.
No rhyme, no reason, just irrational rants, (perfect word Eric).
Bill Gates has never tolerated criticism, no matter how constructive; he refuses compromise until he’s already lost a lot of money.
Bill Gates never minded using the ideas of others to steal their business. His software then included little dead ends for competitive software users.
According to Bill Gates, everyone was a software thief, yet he had no problem sponsoring free or downright cheap software deals to encourage users to ‘change’ suppliers. Those years of software wars between Microsoft, Borland, Lotus, Wordperfect and others were glory years for us users as it was easy to purchase new software inexpensively.
This was also the same period that Bill Gates railed about communistic thieves stealing his software and treating his proprietary software as common goods; all the while Microsoft grew larger and richer. Bill Gates became incredibly wealthy.
As Microsoft captured those software markets, free or inexpensive software disappeared with the competitors. Remaining free software opportunities are when Microsoft releases beta versions for saps to test and debug for Microsoft.
Oh yeah, Bill Gates believes we need to go Socialist. This week. Next week he’ll want something else and we will all be communist bastars.

November 3, 2015 9:03 pm

For different reasons, I’m beginning to believe that representative democracy IS a problem. There are two problems with it:
– people can vote to take your stuff and give it to themselves.
– people are, in general, not that bright (you and I included from time to time I’m sure) and can be convinced to vote for things that are either bad for them, bad for their country, or both.
Of course, I don’t have any viable solutions. Just being a whiner.

November 3, 2015 9:32 pm

Dear Mr Gates
I read your recent article in Atlantic. I have the following observations. I agree that many large organizations suffer from a malaise that tends to strangle innovation. I like the idea of smaller centers of excellence. Bring smart minds together and remove the obstacles so that they can pursue innovation. I also appreciate your 2B share for kicking it off.
I also observe that you have made up your mind concerning CAGW and have also made up your mind that it is reckless to conduct a worldwide climate experiment. I am a CAGW skeptic, but for the sake of finding common ground, I am open to your idea of finding cheaper, cleaner, reliable energy.
I emphasize the words cheaper, cleaner and reliable. It would be good to accomplish this goal.
Unlike you, I do not think it is necessary to make the current world suffer for an unproven risk. I do however agree that innovative energy would be useful to society. Please remove the sense of urgency from your plea. It scares people and mostly it scares the young and impressionable.
We could even have simultaneous tracks of research ongoing. By that I mean we could set up a very transparent and well designed center of excellence to pursue above reproach evidence collection concerning CAGW. By doing this simultaneously, we could keep an eye of the pulse of urgency. As it stands now, there are numerous flaw in the data that is being used to debate CAGW. This is silly and we should fix this once and for all. It would set an example to the world of how good, decision quality information is generated.
Please let me know your thoughts.

Reply to  Knute
November 3, 2015 9:35 pm

Mr G
Please excuse the typos and grammar flaws.
I’ve got this stupid word replacer setup and it drives me crazy. Cant seem to turn it off. Maybe one of the centers for excellence can fix this nonsense.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Knute
November 4, 2015 4:40 am

Notice, Knute, that Bill Gates favors carbon taxes. So, he favors boosting the price of fossil fuels. Not exactly a level playing field, is it?

November 3, 2015 9:39 pm

I’d like to bring mass to the table and accelerate it in the direction of this sociopathic slimeballl. The hoped for result, being a momentum conserving, inelastic collision with any unmentionable part of his anatomy. 😉

November 3, 2015 9:56 pm

Gates is right, there are huge problems with representative democracy, in fact:

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. – Churchill

richard verney
Reply to  commieBob
November 4, 2015 1:00 am

And one further problem is that there is no accountability for the actions made in public office. With power comes responsibility, and all those engaged in public office (including those seeking to influence public servants) should be held financially responsible for failed decisions that were negligently taken.
So for example, those putting forward policy that does not result in the reduction of CO2 should be held accountable for that policy since its fails on its primary objective. The movers and shakers should at least ensure that any policy implemented at least works towards the goals that under pin the policy.
Obviously NGO that have a scientific arm should be held accountable for the failed science that underpins their lobbying positions.
Being held accountable for their actions would at least make politicians (and their ilk) think carefully about their actions and the policies that they wish to introduce.

Reply to  richard verney
November 4, 2015 3:58 am


November 3, 2015 10:05 pm

If I had billions of dollars, my comments wouldn’t just disappear into the either, they would haunt me forever.
It ain’t so bad after all.

Christopher Hanley
November 3, 2015 10:11 pm

“Gates believes that by 2050, wealthy nations like China and the United States, the most prodigious belchers [sic] of greenhouse gases, must be adding no more carbon to the skies …”.
I don’t believe Gates said that, it must be something made up by James Bennet; Gates isn’t so stupid as to confuse carbon dioxide with visible soot pollution.

November 3, 2015 10:11 pm

I meant ether, I spent 10 minutes looking for the right word and still got it wrong.

November 3, 2015 10:15 pm

Microsoft founder and entrepreneur Bill Gates has joined the growing ranks of green activists, who think that ordinary people aren’t qualified to choose who should govern them.

Ah, so that explains Windows 10.
Little Brother is watching, a size 12 ego in a size 3 soul.

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm — but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

— T.S. Eliot

James Fosser
November 3, 2015 10:15 pm

My skin crawls when I see and hear people with more money than I placing me down at the bottom of the food chain because of this difference. If he had a hand in designing the atrocious Windows 10 then I place him several social orders below me!

richard verney
Reply to  James Fosser
November 4, 2015 12:53 am

And Windows 8 was even worse.

Reply to  richard verney
November 4, 2015 6:34 am

I know a lot of people who after installing Windows 9, went back to Windows 8.

November 3, 2015 10:16 pm

Every one is super intelligent in certain areas of expertise. He is super intelligent in computer software and computer marketing. He is dumb on global warming/climate change and Co2. For some reason I think i am more intelligent than him about CO2 and “global warming” . I think that a lot of people posting here are more intelligent on this matter than him. Just sayin…

John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia.
November 3, 2015 10:31 pm

As my dear departed grandpa used to say: “he’s talking through his hat”.

Peter Sable
Reply to  John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia.
November 4, 2015 10:07 am

As my dear departed grandpa used to say: “he’s talking through his hat”.

Did they sit on their hats in your grandpa’s day?

November 3, 2015 10:55 pm

Somebody tell him that neither oil, coal or gas emit “carbon”. I do not think anybody who does not know that in the year 2015 should part-take in this discussion.

richard verney
Reply to  Matt
November 4, 2015 12:51 am


November 3, 2015 11:11 pm

“If it was just about economics, if we had no global warming to think about, the slowly-but-surely pace of these transitions would be okay.” –Bill Gates
If I didn’t have that CO2 monster in the closet to think about, the one I’ve never seen but know is there, I wouldn’t have much to worry about, and everything would be okay.

November 3, 2015 11:13 pm

The guy is used to working with fields f science where the science is well-done and reality-tested. In fact, he was a major player in the reality-testing of a lot of that science, and to his great benefit, he regularly found that it worked. Bill Gates is accustomed, for good reason, to trusting what is popularly reported as science.
His experience in a business where science dictates what will be done more than does the popular belief, suggests that technocracy, not democracy, is best. What I see in his statement is not that we should abandon democratic control of government, but that people should be “bringing math to the problem” because as he sees it, uninformed and uncritical voters are worse than useless. I actually agree with him. On the other hand, his experience in computer-science does not translates to climate-science so I don’t believe he’s adequately critical or informed.

Reply to  Stephen
November 4, 2015 6:44 am

His rational ignorance is shining through

November 3, 2015 11:16 pm

I just bought a new mega PC with Windows 7! From Costco and upgraded the hard drive. I had to buy a gaming PC! Gamers know to stay away from untested downgrades. I skipped The abortion Viasta as well as 98 and 2000. NT was good at work… But I do like 7.

November 3, 2015 11:22 pm

“I think dozens and dozens of approaches should be funded at the R&D level, and then people like myself, who can afford to take big risks with start-up companies, should—because of climate change—be willing to put some number of billions into the spin-offs that will come out of that government-funded activity.”
Let the government fund all the research and development, and when they come up with a discovery that looks promising, I will swoop down and market it. Then, with the help of subsidies or carbon taxes, I will make another huge fortune while saving the planet at the same time. Is that what Bill is saying?

November 3, 2015 11:26 pm

He’s absolutely right, and the sooner the world comes to its senses and enthrones me as Emperor the better it will be for everyone.

Reply to  RoHa
November 4, 2015 6:36 am

When it comes to telling other people what to do, nobody has more experience than I do.
So I would be the logical choice. Stand aside peon.

November 3, 2015 11:30 pm

“we want to give a little bit of money to the guy who thinks that taking sunlight and making oil directly out of sunlight will work.”
How would that oil be different from the oil we already have? Is there an oil that we can make from sunlight that doesn’t emit CO2 when it burns? Or is he talking about making oil to put on his salad?

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Louis
November 3, 2015 11:55 pm

Louis I think Roha was making a joke. Oil is from Plant mass, produced by ah,, sunlight. Unless I’m being to clever.

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 4, 2015 1:04 am

“Louis I think Roha was making a joke.”
No, trying to get a job. Emperor of Earth would pay pretty well, don’t you think?

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 4, 2015 6:37 am

Don’t know about the pay, but I suspect the fringe benefits are pretty good.

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
November 4, 2015 10:24 am

& RoHa;
It usually doesn’t end well for tyrannical rulers – assassinations, beheadings, torn asunder, etc., but in general they have a blast while it lasts. If either one of you make it to ‘Emperor,’ don’t worry about a pension. Just sayin’.

Rico L
November 3, 2015 11:52 pm

For a guy who is worried about global warming, he looks like he could do with some time in the sunshine. Looking a bit pasty there Bill, you should get out of the office more and away from your computer…..(you might notice how nice it is outside)

November 3, 2015 11:54 pm

Has anyone ever asked why setting up an ICT platform for Facebook makes Mark Zuckerberg ‘bigger than Governments’, ‘above the law’ etc etc?
Do you lot think that firefighters who gave their lives on 9/11 are less worthy Americans than Mark Zuckerberg, a geek from Harvard who could write a few lines of code?
How about military medical personnel rescuing fallen soldiers on battlefields??
How about folks who build you houses to keep you from dying of cold when the arctic air comes down as far south as Florida, Texas and the interior of California??
You lot need to learn that over-paid geeks who can write a few lines of code aren’t superior human beings, they’re superior specialists.
If Gates, Zuckerberg et al want to be politicians, well let them run.
But make sure you make them aware of quite how little they actually have done on this earth in comparison to the 500 million odd other Americans, most of whom struggle to get recognised at levels greater than $30k a year.
Put them in their place where they deserve to be.
Stop giving them political BJs.
None of them have done one thing in politics, and not one of them deserves to be above the law……

November 4, 2015 12:18 am

I agree with him – in some respects.
Politics is the only safety-critical career that you can enter with no education and no experience. The bar needs to be lifted for aspirants to any House of Representatives. — Tirtiary education plus fifteen years in designated industries. Or thirty years in a skilled industry. And no lawyers, because their entire profession is based upon dissembling.
Only then might representative democracy begin to crawl out of the mess that it has made.

Barry Sheridan
Reply to  ralfellis
November 4, 2015 12:22 am

Quite right about Lawyers Ralf, they really have become destructive. What a waste of first class intellect.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
November 4, 2015 11:43 am

Lawyers have been suspected of being the problem for generations. Bill (not this one) had Dick (not me) make a statement which I dare not quote, five spies and all that.

Reply to  ralfellis
November 4, 2015 6:38 am

I’ve favored creating a minimum age for politicians. Somewhere around 50 should do.

Peter Sable
Reply to  MarkW
November 4, 2015 10:11 am

I’ve favored creating a minimum age for politicians. Somewhere around 50 should do.

I’m in favor of a minimum net worth for politicians. And they day they put their name on the ballot, 90% of it goes to the government.
That’s putting your money where your mouth is.

Reply to  ralfellis
November 4, 2015 10:07 am

Writes ralfellis:

Politics is the only safety-critical career that you can enter with no education and no experience. The bar needs to be lifted for aspirants to any House of Representatives. — Tirtiary education plus fifteen years in designated industries. Or thirty years in a skilled industry. And no lawyers, because their entire profession is based upon dissembling.
Only then might representative democracy begin to crawl out of the mess that it has made.

Oh, hardly.
To secure a genuinely representative democracy (whyever in hell would anyone WANT a “four wolves and a lamb dickering on what to have with dinner” democracy?), it would be far better to select a district’s U.S. representative by lot, the way veniremen (potential jurors) are selected from among a jurisdiction’s registered voters.
The qualifications have to be absolutely minimal, the better to ensure that the designated victim – who might likely have to be dragged away from his home and work (if he’s fortunate enough to have a job in our Obozo’d economy) under a two-year sentence of servitude in the House of Representatives – be genuinely reflective of the people living in his polity.
We accept the principle of conscription in the defense of our republic. Why not exercise that principle in governing it?

That government which governs best governs least, and that government which governs least leaves us the fuck alone.

— Neale Osborn

Reply to  Tucci78
November 4, 2015 10:46 am

>>To secure a genuinely representative democracy
>>The qualifications have to be absolutely minimal
Interesting viewpoint. I would suggest that we try this first with airline pilots – and you can be the first aboard. And then we can progress to doctors – and you can be the first under the knife.
After that, you can come back and tell us whether your idea was good or not…..

Reply to  ralfellis
November 4, 2015 12:22 pm

In response to the proposition that rather than impose the police power in civil society under the administration of megalomaniac popularity contest winners who succeed to their offices by deceit, delusion, and extortion, we have ralfellis putzing:

>>To secure a genuinely representative democracy
>>The qualifications have to be absolutely minimal
Interesting viewpoint. I would suggest that we try this first with airline pilots – and you can be the first aboard. And then we can progress to doctors – and you can be the first under the knife.
After that, you can come back and tell us whether your idea was good or not…..

Of course, the electoral process is so effective at selecting for competence, probity, and responsibility, ain’t it?
Obozo, anyone?
Hm. Just give some thought to what THAT lying bastard represents….

A professional politician is a professionally dishonorable man. In order to get anywhere near high office he has to make so many compromises and submit to so many humiliations that he becomes indistinguishable from a streetwalker.

— H.L. Mencken

Reply to  ralfellis
November 4, 2015 3:00 pm

Neither doctors nor airline pilots are supposed to be representative of society as a whole. By definition, they require uncommon skill and education.

Reply to  Tucci78
November 4, 2015 4:14 pm

ralfellis: Precisely what specialized skills to you believe politicians require? How many years of training does it take before you are qualified to be one?

Barry Sheridan
November 4, 2015 12:20 am

The solution to a constant and reliable supply of electricity without using fossil fuels has existed for decades. It uses nuclear technologies, of which there are several variations, a couple of which have been developed and then shelved despite being demonstrably practical and safe. Constant and irrational fear mongering by the self same green elites is preventing the world from harnessing this source. It being more important to them to prevent economic development as a way of preventing supposed climate shifts than it is to improve the lot of the world’s poorer folk by making electricity available. This is criminal, so instead of slating democracy, Mr Gates should use his position to push even harder for an international effort to harness nuclear energy. I understand he in favour to a degree.

November 4, 2015 12:39 am

Slightly off topic.
Windows 8 was terrible. No-one liked it (save a tiny minority – but some people like auto-asphyxiation).
It should have led to the company going broke. But as Microsoft has such dominance in business software the system was adopted anyway.
This caused misery and lower efficiency for the whole planet. It delayed the global economic recovery.
Clearly, as market forces no longer work on this corporation, and as it monopolises vital infrastructure, it should not be left uncontrolled by the needs of the users.
Therefore Microsoft should be nationalised.

Reply to  MCourtney
November 4, 2015 12:50 am

November 4, 2015 at 12:39 am
But as Microsoft has such dominance in business software the system was adopted anyway.”
“Business software” is really a little too “forgiving” IMO. There was no choice from about 1996 IMO. Non-compliance on license issues MILLIONS of $$$$’s if you look at the CBA in Aus, ~50,000 nodes. That’s HUNDREDS of millions…ANNUALLY!

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 4:07 am

interesting the nyk stock exchange runs?
and chinas developed a Linux in chinese form to run all their govt and other pcs on..
to avoid the bugs n hacks, I believe Rusias also doing similar.
inc a new phone that isnt running the present android system.

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 6:25 am

I trialed Red Hat Linux and StarOffice for ANZ in about 2000. Worked a treat and was real easy to support. ANZ went M$.

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 6:41 am

The same thinking saved IBM’s butt many times.
As the old saying went, Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM.
I know of no companies that adopted Windows 8. Most major companies have teams that test new software before it is deployed. They work out all the bugs between software prior to rolling it out to the rest of the company. Even then they will often do staged rollouts.
My current company is planning to go to Windows 10 sometime next year, but we are still running XP.

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 6:42 am

ATheoK: MCourtney is a socialist. He tends to feel that way about most major companies.

Reply to  MCourtney
November 4, 2015 2:34 am


“…Therefore Microsoft should be nationalized…”

What!? Why?
Is this some sort of test to see Microsoft can become even more bureaucratized, larger and less efficient or responsive? Nationalizing Microsoft will sure accomplish that.
Microsoft is the bureaucratized dinosaur nearly unresponsive corporation waiting to be extinguished at the next paradigm.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  MCourtney
November 4, 2015 5:20 am

Now that’s an innovative idea.
Now that emerging nations want some payment back from the first world due to the carbon sins of their first adopters, they could take a leaf from India.
After independence India nationalised the railways.
There was no compensation.
This was done by a simple democratic act of the Indian people.
As a first step India and China could unilaterally set out a concordat that any Multinational
owned goods and services in their countries be vested in the State.
This would be a quick step to a world agreement on the redistribution of assets.
As the organiser of Microsoft believes in carbon induced climate change he could be the first to
If that is truly a photo of Bill Gates he does not look well.
‘Since brass, nor stone, nor earth, nor boundless sea,
But sad mortality o’ersways their power,
How with this rage shall beauty hold a plea,
Whose action is no stronger than a flower?
O how shall summer’s honey breath hold out
Against the wrackful siege of batt’ring days,
When rocks impregnable are not so stout,
Nor gates of steel so strong but time decays?’
Indira Gandhi had some apt thoughts on the Gates’ moral hazard of monopoly software slowing progress in the third world. A monopoly of science and technology maintained by price.
‘On the one hand the rich look askance at our continuing poverty, on the other they warn us against their own methods. We do not wish to impoverish the environment any further and yet we cannot for a moment forget the grim poverty of large numbers of people.
Are not poverty and need the greatest of polluters?………The environment cannot be improved in conditions of poverty. Nor can poverty be eradicated without the use of science and technology.’
‘Man and His World’
Address to the United nations Conference on Human Environment,Stockholm,14 June 1972
Start by giving every school age child access to reliable base load power, a laptop and free microsoft programming for five years.
Add that to a bank account.
Now that would lift them out of poverty.

richard verney
November 4, 2015 12:49 am

“If you’re not bringing math skills to the problem,” he said with a sort of amused asperity, “then representative democracy is a problem.” Per Bill Gates
I wonder whether he is aware of the paper recently published by the French Society Of Mathematicians who recently concluded that this is all bunk.
Perhaps they, being specialised in math skills, know something more than Mr Gates.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  richard verney
November 4, 2015 3:45 am

Here’s the link to the French Société de Calcul Mathématique SA white paper to which you referred:

November 4, 2015 12:57 am

The Bill has been whinging for decades.
I think he suffers from extreme white privilege, white guilt, all the psychotic manifestations that plague limousine liberals, and the realization that his Windoze empire has been replaced with mobile devices that don’t use his junk. He is also sliding into irrelevance because the government has replaced big money with troves of unmonitored tax dollars.

November 4, 2015 12:58 am

M$ have done what was always going to happen. You pay for a MP3 track now, for $2? Delete it by mistake, get a new player/phone, down load it again, at a price, at $2. Media rent. Content rent. Application rent. Times that by billions! (Cr)Apple iTunes should give you a hint as to what the future holds.
I can go buy a CD today. And I can keep using it. Tomorrow, you will not be able to do that. Every time you play, you pay.
THAT is the business model of the future.

Reply to  Patrick
November 4, 2015 4:16 am

anyone else running old adobe? 9.
if you do you can swap files to word if you have the cd loaded version installed
however..if you run the new adobe..even if you have office installed it insists on taking you to the cloud to translate to word for a FEE.
I managed to load old adobe and now to even load old 9 they want registering to load.
this pc and whats in it will be staying as is till it blows up:-)
the entire cloud use pay scam is beyond belief.
same as storing data in the cloud
one good cme and…kiss it all goodbye.

Ed Zuiderwijk
November 4, 2015 1:05 am

And then to think that the “windows” system is a poor imitation of the much better Unix/Linux X-window system and the fact that it became dominant is purely and simple because of MS’s monopoly, not on merit. A little rich dictator with megalomanic character traits.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 4, 2015 1:33 am

And thereby hangs a tale, Ed. Back in the ’80s IBM was developing its GUI for the new PC and Gates was still on Win 3.1 (or lower perhaps). IBM contracted Gates to build its GUI, which was called OS/2. It was miles ahead of anything else out there and performed well, being a true multi-tasker OS. However, for reasons unknown, IBM decided to get out of PCs and sold the OS/2 code back to Gates for $75k (if memory serves). From the ashes of OS/2 was formed Win 95. The rest is history…

Reply to  Harry Passfield
November 4, 2015 2:39 am

IBM wanted ALL rights! It failed them in 1994.

Reply to  Harry Passfield
November 4, 2015 3:33 am

OS/2 was a massive memory sucking hog that included many unfinished and undocumented bits of code. Plus OS/2 was delivered to customers with crude customer programs. OS/2 was designed much like a mainframe TSO system that any interaction with a program required a computer attention key pressed; e.g. enter. Think FocCalc if one has experience with it.
OS/2 had significant power, if the installation machine was up to the task. Multitasking required the newest Pentium processors available. User friendly, it was not. Plus OS/2 offered the wonderful experience for calling OS/2 support and having the tech support guys commiserate about a problem rather than offer a solution. “Well, if you figure it out, let us know.”
Not the Op system for getting normal desktop tasks done on. Fun to play on though, not games; exploring PC – Network links and observations, downloading some of the impressive cool OS/2 simulations, etc… OS/2 did have the capability for bringing the power of a workstation to ordinary computer users. Just a couple more updates might’ve made it usable.

Reply to  Harry Passfield
November 4, 2015 8:06 am

IBM did not sell OS/2 to Microsoft, they continued to sell it for many years after the divorce. The reason they eventually dropped it was low market share. Here is a fairly detailed history:

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 4, 2015 6:45 am

How can the system that came first, be the imitator?
They are both operating systems. They were designed for different markets with different needs. I’m very familiar with the cores of both Unix and Windows. They are completely different. The only thing they have in common is that they are both OS’s.

November 4, 2015 1:27 am

Ha! Perfect synchronicity; as I scrolled down these comments the page froze. Not unusual. Webpage now recovered (Windows 7, IE 11, everything fully updated). Here goes: I suppose that when Gates rented the 440 foot super yacht “Serene” last year for his holidays, he carefully emitted no discretionary C02. How he didn’t do that is anybody’s guess: Serene’s 8 x MTU 4000 engines must be more special than Bill, despite cumulatively consuming 1,454 litres of diesel per hour. And I guess his environmentally friendly Bombardier BD-700 Global Express private jet manages to scrub the CO2 produced from burning 3,789 pounds of fuel an hour in the cruise, in a special, “Carbon Friendly” way we mere mortals can only imagine. The rank hypocrisy is breath-taking. And no, I wont be downgrading to Windows 10 despite the W10 nag icon (thanks Bill, for that “update”) sitting here on my taskbar – stinking like the fungus covered turd it is.

Scottish Sceptic
November 4, 2015 1:36 am

I can solve Bill Gate’s problem
Just hand me $400trillion and then I’ll tell him to just “switch it off then on again”.

Oscar Bajner
November 4, 2015 2:00 am

Bill has too much time on his hands. Next, he might start a free for all wrestling team
called FauxCatcher and his Momma will pay people to call him ‘coach”

November 4, 2015 2:20 am

How many failed predictions does is take before the current climate science is exposed as a fake? How much math does that take? Some of the people in charge shouldn’t be. Nobody made bill Gates anymore or any less special than me or the ability to reason. It’s always been that those who wish to gain control do so by some urgent need that only they can accomplish. In this case, it’s a made up need, with dire conquenceous if acted on. Does not improve the standard of living or improve anybody lives except for those who wish to become even richer. I suppose bill isn’t rich enough yet.
If it can’t predict, it isn’t science, Bill. Tell me which prediction has the IPCC been right about? Since 2000, which one? I can tell you NONE. They keep pushing the dates out and the same fear mongering language, may, could, and might. And you should be in charge? That’s why we have a representative government in the first place. I’m right and you’re wrong.

November 4, 2015 2:24 am

some transition
“in Asia alone this year power companies are building more than 500 coal-fired plants, with at least a thousand more on planning boards”
On the bright side things must be going extremely well for the planet- roll on fossil fuels.
‘No poor countries by 2035’: Bill Gates annual letter says … › News › World › World Politics
17 Feb 2014 – Bill Gates has said there will be “almost no poor countries by 2035

November 4, 2015 2:26 am

Maybe he’s planning to run for President, and wants the backing of Steyer, Buffet, Soros, Rockefellers, Moore, Hewlett and Packard, Tides etc. when he drops his toupee in the ring…

November 4, 2015 2:31 am
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 4, 2015 4:42 am

Writing is definitely not my forte !! Maybe you can do it for everyone !!

November 4, 2015 2:34 am

Poor Bill is obviously suffering from a BIOS problem.

November 4, 2015 2:35 am

Ok, let’s bring math to the table;
See Bill, – you don’t have a clue. You’re just another dishonest, “green” activists who doesn’t your self understand the math, the science and the logic of climate.
Another thing you also prove by your dishonesty, is that you ended up rich, had only to do with luck!

November 4, 2015 2:36 am

The only surprise in Gate’s comment is that he made it in public. We have a crony-cap system which is also called corporatism or fascism. “Regulatory Capture” is a feature of the system, not a bug.
Those who think they are at the top of the chain want to direct government without the input of the unwashed masses. After all, in a corporatist system the government is the senior partner in the system and the high and mighty seek to control the state and pull the levers of State. This is easier to do if there is only one guy in charge. Witness Italy in the 30s for example.
Gates thinks that if there was a dictatorship he would be listened to. Perhaps, but he could be shot just as easily. He better hope he does not get his wish.
~ Mark