We Are Not Learning’: Bjorn Lomborg Says Politicians Hide Behind Climate Change to Duck ‘Responsibility’ For ‘Failures’

From The Daily Caller

HAROLD HUTCHISON

REPORTER

Bjorn Lomborg said Friday that politicians were blaming climate change for disasters like the wildfires on Maui to duck “responsibility” for “failures” in addressing them.

Democratic Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii blamed climate change for the deadly wildfire that destroyed many buildings in the town of Lahaina, killing at least 96 people as of Monday, according to the New York Times. The West Maui Land Company accused M. Kaleo Manuel, an official with the Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR), of delaying a response to a request to use water to refill reservoirs used by the Maui Fire Department to fight the wildfire, Hawaii News Now reported(RELATED: ‘Are You Freaking Kidding Me?’: Former FEMA Head Blasts Hawaii Officials’ Focus On ‘Equity’ Prior To Fire)

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“You maybe shouldn’t have a lot of grasses that will just burn a lot. You should adopt better building codes, not what Governor Green did, namely put it on hold because he wants cheaper buildings and you shouldn’t just have one exit road, you should have better firebreaks,” Lomborg told “America Reports” co-anchor John Roberts. “And possibly the most important thing is, you should inform people. You should not have a guy that actually decides not to run the alarm because he worries that people might misunderstand it. Most people weren’t informed.”

“And this is the crucial bit when you talk about climate change: When everybody blames climate, which is a very, very small part of the whole puzzle, you take away responsibility from all these failures,” Lomborg added. “And that’s, of course, what you really need to focus on if you are going to avoid the next fire.”

Herman Andaya, the director of the Maui Emergency Management Agency, resigned Thursday after the agency came under fire for not activating emergency sirens to warn people of the fires. The state reportedly bogged down an effort to improve electric infrastructure that would have addressed overgrown non-native grass, according to the Wall Street Journal, one of a series of decisions that may have worsened the severity of the fire.

“We are not learning as long as we just keep blaming global warming,” Lomborg said. “Look, global warming is a real problem, we should fix it, we should fix it smartly, but it’s not the main part of this problem and we are dealing with it really badly and we are helping future people, who will be affected by future fires as well, really badly if we don’t focus on the smart things to do. So, again, maybe you shouldn’t have an alarm system that only sounds like a tsunami warning if you also want to warn people when it’s fire.”

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J Boles
August 19, 2023 10:03 am

Democrat, NOT democratic. Don’t use their language. And I STRONGLY disagree that we need to “fix” global warming. We should only HOPE it warms, I doubt that it is warming, there is a bias in the thermometers (UHI) and adjusted data. If it is cooling, we would not know it.

Reply to  J Boles
August 19, 2023 10:21 am

Yeah, most of what he said was okay and then he said that bit about fixing global warming and blew his credibility to pieces. Maybe he was trying to appeal to the CAGW acolytes while still making some sense.

abolition man
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 19, 2023 11:20 am

Hey, don’t get too critical of Bjorn; at least he is half way to climate enlightenment!
Once he realizes how much he has been duped, he will be really pissed! Kind of like the anger you see growing in Michael Schellenberger as he sees more and more of his core beliefs going up in flames!
When a child realizes that there is no Easter Bunny, but still believes in Santa Claus, you don’t jump all over them with criticism. You give them encouragement for their new, more mature outlook; and keep gently pushing the truth!
I know, I know; Santa is a bad analogy for climate alarmism! Santa brings presents to all the good little boys and girls; Climastrology only takes things away!

Reply to  abolition man
August 19, 2023 11:45 am

I was composing something similar when my useless Windows pile of crap crashed and I lost it all.

Lomberg and Schellenberger have one very important thing in common, they promote adaptation rather than mitigation.

And when they use terms like ‘global warming is a threat’ they know it’s a meaningless statement, but it keeps the alarmist nutters on side listening to them.

Reply to  HotScot
August 19, 2023 8:57 pm

“when they use terms like ‘global warming is a threat’”
Actually, the major threat to civilization is not climate, but the alarmist’s climate policies that will endanger all of us.

To paraphrase Reagan’s statement on who to support: “find the person closest to your position and support them.” Lomborg (and Shellenberger) would qualify

Reply to  HotScot
August 20, 2023 12:29 pm

If you would like to consider removing the M$ Windows pile of crap, I would suggest trying Linux Mint desktop. Easy to try out and you can install it as a dual boot system.

Reply to  Yirgach
August 20, 2023 1:23 pm

Mint was one of the two I narrowed my search down to. I ended up with Kubuntu. There’s a lot more stuff out there for Linux than I remember, too. At this point I’m not really missing anything from when I ran Windows.

bobclose
Reply to  HotScot
August 21, 2023 6:19 am

Yes, you are right both of these good guys are ‘Lukewarmers’ who know that mitigation policies are a lode of crap! and also very expensive ways to achieve nothing for climate. They tacitly accept the orthodox climate science because they have no expertise to dismiss it, and also, they know that they might reach the authority figures behind climate alarm if they pretend to believe there is a dangerous problem to be solved. So, they want to be accepted by the climate cabal, and then change it from within by logic, economic sense and a vision to subtly adapt to problems when they arise, not just bulldoze ahead with general anti-carbon policies as at present that will ruin national economies for no climate, environmental or social benefit.
They can also appreciate the global response to this self-harm by western nations when the growing BRICS nations are steadily powering their way to world political and economic dominance. We in the west are walking a tightrope towards insignificance, is this what we really want?

Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 19, 2023 5:04 pm

That was the time to stop reading point.

cwright
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 20, 2023 3:40 am

I would like to know why he thinks “global warming is a real problem”.

All the data clearly shows that things have been getting dramatically better over the last 100 years: the planet is gertting greener, people are more healthy, prosperous, longer living and better fed than ever before. And far fewer people are being killed by extreme weather. Even the polar bears are thriving.

And, despite the media hysteria, wild fires are decreasing globally. In the US, wild fires were far worse during the 1930’s.

So, Bjorn, what exactly is wrong with the mild and mostly natural warming that allowed us to escape from the starvation and disease of the Little Ice Age?
Chris

Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 20, 2023 12:20 pm

Yeah, that bit stuck out like a sore thumb.
Bjorn went way out of his lane there.
Which is odd given that his analyses are usually very erudite.

Reply to  J Boles
August 19, 2023 11:34 am

Yes, climate change is a real problem… Because the “normal” earth climate is a glacial ice age.

Robertvd
Reply to  David Pentland
August 21, 2023 2:24 am

We are in an ice age and have been for the last 2.6 million years. But the 200My before that Earth was warmer than today.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  J Boles
August 19, 2023 3:51 pm

Yeah, that’s what Bjorn Lomborg does. He sings a great tune, but then you recognise the chorus is the worn out climate tune of the alarmists. Pity, coz, he does make a lot of sense otherwise.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Eamon Butler
August 20, 2023 11:11 am

When you are trying to straighten a misguided religion (e.g., CAGW) you are usually better off dealing from the inside rather than the outside. If on the outside it is easy for the true believers to write off any criticism as coming from a non-believer, ignorant of the true faith. However, if coming from the inside, from another true believer, minor corrections to a person’s understanding of the truth may be considered. In other word, he may be smarter than you give him credit for.

Reply to  Joe Crawford
August 20, 2023 12:50 pm

Brilliant deduction, Joe about a brilliant man (Bjorn)!

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  Joe Crawford
August 20, 2023 2:37 pm

I do understand this strategy. I’d love to have a 1 on 1, ‘no words shall escape this room’ type of a convo with him.

bobclose
Reply to  Joe Crawford
August 21, 2023 6:21 am

Exactly Joe, see my previous post here!

barryjo
Reply to  J Boles
August 20, 2023 8:31 am

The same applies to the use of the term carbon, in place of carbon dioxide.

August 19, 2023 10:37 am

Precisely what I’ve been saying. Politicians love ‘climate science’ because they can blame others for everything. It’s out of their hands. Blame the oil companies and China & India. All they can do is send Thoughts N Prayers and urge you to buy an electric car while you simultaneously accept blackouts.

Insufficient fire fighting capacity in Canada? Climate Crisis! Hot n Dry Weather!

No hurricane preparedness? Climate Crisis! Stronger and More Frequent Storms!

Poorly planned and maintained electric grid? Climate Crisis! Lack of wind to turn our turbines!

Too much pollution and insufficient water treatment damaging marine ecosystems? Climate Crisis! Oceans Boiling!

Homeless folk dying on the street due to underfunded social services? Climate Crisis! Too hot for them!

etc etc

Richard Page
Reply to  Tommy2b
August 19, 2023 5:09 pm

It’s what a lot of us have been saying for years. It’s a great way to pass the buck but it promotes a culture of carelessness and failure.

Reply to  Richard Page
August 20, 2023 10:43 am

It’s not only to dodge responsibility. It’s also a way to stay in office by campaining on it – “We have to do more!”

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  Tommy2b
August 20, 2023 2:39 pm

This is why in my circle of friends/fam I change minds or make them think more when they ask me what I think of global warming. Since I am a meteorologist, they listen to me at least, And many are relieved to know my take.

August 19, 2023 10:44 am

The “Tipping Point” was reached 13,000 years ago. Increase of 6 C in a thousand years, instigated by Earth’s precession, amplified by albedo change of ice retreat, penetration of warmer waters into the Arctic Ocean, maybe methane release as permafrost line moved North, all over with. A doubling of CO2 now due to human emissions and increased oxidizing of vegetation will only increase temps by 1 C..another doubling by half a degree…another doubling not really possible without burning up more biomass than humanly possible. You can run it on Modtran.

The desire of the WEFerati is to make a tonne of carbon the new world currency with them in charge of the international carbon bank.

abolition man
Reply to  DMacKenzie
August 19, 2023 11:29 am

Al Gore was sorely disappointed at his inability to get carbon credits listed on the Chicago Merchantile Exchange. He was hoping to become the first “climate” billionaire.
Now Tom Steyer and others are leaving him in their dust as they race to gobble up all the fat subsidies given for unreliable energy sources. Gotta act quick before the market goes belly-up, and the taxpayer is left holding the hazardous waste bag!

Bill Parsons
August 19, 2023 10:52 am

If Bjorn Lomborg’s measured comments are as much outrage as sceptics can muster for the Lahaina disaster… we’re doomed. Public officials who temporized when they should have been preparing should be put in stocks in the middle of the ashes of their city and forced to look at what they’ve done.

Rick C
Reply to  Bill Parsons
August 19, 2023 12:57 pm

Climate activists deserve much blame for the Maui disaster. Millions spent on wind/solar by Hawaii Electric and just $245,000 over 3 years for fire mitigation. The blame should go to politicians who kowtow to activists and ignore clear and present dangers. There should be criminal charges brought against anyone who prioritized renewable energy projects above fire risk mitigation.

Climate activists are getting people killed | Washington Examiner

michael hart
August 19, 2023 10:52 am

He’s right in that it’s a general thing.

Many people say parts of the New York region are in great danger of economically catastrophic flooding when the meteorological elements combine. It will probably happen within a century, and they will blame global warming for what they already know to be a serious risk. Plenty of wealthy people and institutions could chip in to prevent it.

The UK, possibly by good luck as much as foresight, upgraded London’s flood defences back in the 1970s/80s. The Capital’s basin is known to be sinking for geological reasons so they did something and built the Thames barrier.. Much of Holland lives below sea level. They not only do something, they actively steal land from the North Sea.

Global warming talk is some of the cheapest talk that, perversely, allows politicians to do nothing in the face of known risks.

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  michael hart
August 20, 2023 2:42 pm

Because there are naive dumasses everywhere that take their word as solid gold.

Curious George
August 19, 2023 11:12 am

I wonder how Hawaiian warning sirens work. Is it just on or off? Can’t they be used for simple messages like “tsunami”, “fire”, and “war”?

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Curious George
August 19, 2023 11:20 am

I also wondered. Warning systems in my area are not just a siren but spoken messages. Their sound carries close to a mile and there’s enough towers that the audible messages overlap each other. I have to wonder if the emergency response manager on Maui even knew how his own systems worked.

Reply to  Curious George
August 19, 2023 12:30 pm

Any signal can be broadcast through amplifiers over loudspeakers. If the Tsunami warning system is just on or off mechanical sirens, then the system warning planning was instituted by dolts and morons..

Reply to  doonman
August 19, 2023 12:52 pm

It was originally to warn of enemy bombers and submarines. The tsunami thing is a relatively recent repurposing.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
August 19, 2023 3:09 pm

We were staying in a condo just north of Lahaina in 2010 when the client earthquake happened.
One of those sirens was right beside the building, I saw it but didn’t know what it was.
When it went off at 6am it blew us out of our beds, loudest thing I’ve ever heard I think.

Rud Istvan
August 19, 2023 11:26 am

Lahaina had nothing to do with CC, and Lomborg is right.

  1. The emergency services manager did not sound the sirens, and resigned the day after his lame tsunami excuse. He was a long time protege of the mayor with NO emergency services experience.
  2. The electric utility spent nothing (~$245k over 5 years) on fireproofing, yet millions on renewables. Three lawsuits already filed against Hawaiian Electric. Gonna be expensive.
  3. The invasive grasses on public lands were neither treated nor grazed. Bringing in sheep and goats would have solved the problem.
  4. The governor vetoed legislatively upgraded ‘fire proofed’ building codes out of concern for housing costs.
  5. The Lahaina fire department had no off road capable pumper trucks despite that being a specific 2014 fire study recommendation.
  6. The water management guy, out a concern for ‘water equity’, forced the Lahaina fire department to consult with farmers, delaying vitally needed fire fighting water releases for about 5 hours, during which Lahaina burned to the ground,
  7. The official death toll is 114, but the unofficial is about 480 when bodies found by relatives are counted, per Lahaina residents in reports this morning. The discrepancy arises from the delay in getting FEMA first responders and cadaver dogs to Lahaina, something squarely on Biden, who is vacationing (again);in Tahoe with Tom Steyer rather than getting in front of this disaster. No doubt Joe and Tom are commiserating about Lahaina caused by climate change.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 19, 2023 4:38 pm

All good points, though I’d cut the utility a bit of slack under the second point, since, figuratively speaking, most utility execs won’t go to the toilet without getting express permission from their regulatory commission.

That’s not to say that utility people are stupid sheep, but rather that they’re very well aware they can’t recover costs and/or earn a return on rate-base unless these are explicitly approved by the commission.

I’m willing to bet that in Hawaii, the commission is all in on climate alarmism. And as is often the case with natural tragedies when the official response has been totally botched, the electorate needs to be told that ‘you voted for this’.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Rud, even when they are falling into bankruptcy Hawaii Electric suits will be kissing the politicians and regulators’ asses, covering for them despite their forcing frivolous green energy schemes instead of approving money for maintaining the system. Like in so many cases of modern political malfeasance you likely won’t see any budding Woodward & Bernstein’s investigating the Leftist political leaders and their enablers. Anyway, Hawaii has always had Third World politics.

Reply to  Dave Fair
August 19, 2023 9:48 pm

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Democrat strongholds, e.g., Puerto Rico, New Orleans, etc., generally fare poorly in the face of natural disasters.

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 20, 2023 2:46 pm

They both need a swift kick in the ass…

August 19, 2023 12:07 pm

Global warming – global cooling, it’s all a natural repetitive process
Humans need to adapt to a changing climate, but human leaders (I use that term very loosely) are failing to do that on a grand scale
They mismanage the things they should be competently controlling – they allow houses to be built on cliffs, they allow houses to be built on flood plains, they let forests grow wild into tinderboxes, they fail to ensure proper drainage, they allow whales to be killed by offshore wind sonar, they allow bats & birds to be killed by onshore wind turbines, they allow stable coal, gas & nuclear power generation to be replaced by useless intermittent heavily subsidised wind & solar, they put motorists and child labour slaves at great risk by mandating battery vehicles etc etc
Our leaders are all aligned to the WEFs globalist objectives and are applying them globally
They are not stupid, it’s the mission

abolition man
August 19, 2023 12:47 pm

Hey, Anthony and all,
I just watched a very interesting speech given by Michael Schellenberger to a bunch of college students titled “Guide to Escaping the Woke Matrix!” A very interesting talk about Cluster ‘B” Personality Disorder and how it relates to woke and environmental alarmism. I think Herr Schellenberger is beginning to come around to our thinking; perhaps Bjorn Lomborg is next!
This video might be worthwhile as topic for discussion.

August 19, 2023 12:54 pm

I was just reviewing some papers on global warming run away green house effect from the past . Even from hot beds of CAGW like East Anglia. They all seemed to admit originally that it was virtually impossible. Then some how they departed from that reality into a speculative almost science fiction like process into the CAGW narrative that dominates are media and politics to this day. Strange.

Thank god for people like Michael Schellenberger coming around full stride to ( hopefully) our rescue now

Rud Istvan
Reply to  John Oliver
August 19, 2023 1:38 pm

The climate ‘Tipping Points’ mythology has been around for decades. I traced down its two likely origins in several essays in ebook Blowing Smoke.

  1. On geological time scales, there have obviously been ‘tipping points’, as glacials change to interglacials back to glacials. On millennial time scales, there have also been tipping points; the Younger Dryas is an example that onset then dissipated quite rapidly. None of these can be attributed to CO2. But there are none on centennial time scales, let alone decadal time scales. Alarmists take the former and falsely project the latter with CO2 causality.
  2. There are papers claiming to show centennial or decadal time scale tippings. Each one I ran down in Blowing Smoke turned out to easy to prove scientific misconduct. For example, essay ‘Shell Games’ runs down two (corals and oysters) concerning ocean acidification. ‘Flaming Nonscience’ runs down one concerning ‘suddenly changing’ mountain plant habitat outside Tucson. The sudden change was caused by two massive back to back forest fires, not climate change.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 19, 2023 3:45 pm

What was the name of the island that the Sierra Club (iirc) clown said was going to tip over ?

Dave Fair
Reply to  bnice2000
August 19, 2023 7:44 pm

Guam, and it was U.S. House of Representative Democrat Hank Johnson from Georgia that said it. And he is reliably reelected by his Low Information Voters.

Drain the Swamp!

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  Dave Fair
August 20, 2023 3:12 pm

As as Marion Berry…there are dolts/idiots/ignorant naive people by the millions.

Dave Fair
Reply to  cosmicwxdude
August 20, 2023 4:22 pm

And they reliably elect people just like them. DC Mayor Marion Berry personified the social values of the majority of DC residents. However:

“Before leaving office in 1999, Mr. Barry would lose his power over the city’s finances to a financial control board that Congress created in 1995. Courts would take over entire city departments.

The city agencies that served public-housing residents, foster children, inmates and the mentally ill would all be placed in receivership. A judge would later call conditions at the city’s receiving home for juvenile delinquents “unacceptable for a civilized country.”

Residents of a city-operated nursing home had limbs amputated because of infected bedsores. Infant mortality and murder rates remained among the highest in the nation, and the fire department would plead that its ability to fight fires was seriously impaired. In the public schools, dropout rates remained high, test scores low.”

So is the fate of all Democrat Party-run cities ruled under patronage systems.

Graham
August 19, 2023 2:14 pm

Politicians all over the world have seized the threat of climate change to try and change their countries ,and enforce their ideology of socialism on the world .
The worlds population has to wake up very soon before irreversible damage is forced on them in the futile rush to de carbonize.
The last 70 years has been a golden age for humanity as people have been lifted out of poverty, far less infant mortality and far longer productive lives with the great benefits of fossil fuel .
Stop and think how did the worlds population grow from 2 billion to 8 billion in this time ?
Why had it not grown at the same rate centuries before?
Electricity and fossil fuel .

Robertvd
Reply to  Graham
August 21, 2023 2:42 am

Politicians are puppets. What rules the world is the centrally planned ‘economic’ system (central banking system) by the money printers. That system had been imploding for a long long time, even before Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard. For the wizards to stay in power, they must fabricate crisis after crisis, the bigger the better.

We do not live in a capitalist system and certainly not in a free market.

August 19, 2023 2:27 pm

From the article: ““We are not learning as long as we just keep blaming global warming,” Lomborg said. “Look, global warming is a real problem, we should fix it, we should fix it smartly,”

This is the problem I have with Bjorn Lomborg. He keeps claiming human-caused climate change is a real problem that needs to be fixed, without having even one shred of evidence that this is true.

Bjorn Lomborg has some credibility with a lot of folks, so him making this unsubstantiated assertion about human-caused climate change is particularly damaging and confusing to folks who don’t know any better.

You are not helping matters, Bjorn, when you make claims you cannot back up with facts, such as that humans are causing the Earth’s climate/weather to change. There is no evidence for this.

Bjorn is just repeating what somebody told him. Somebody told you wrong, Bjorn.

Edward Katz
August 19, 2023 2:27 pm

For the most part he’s right except we’re not going to “:fix” global warming. Tell that to the big emitters and see how fast they’ll respond. What are the odds of China and India renouncing coal? What are the odds of EV sales really taking off despite their inflated price tags? How about the majority of countries reaching Net Zero by 2030? What are the chances that travelers will no longer utilize aircraft? When will we see a big demand for expanded rapid transit systems or a great reduction in meat consumption. No one’s going to fix anything regarding the weather; the logical action is to take adequate mitigation measures.

Reply to  Edward Katz
August 19, 2023 4:54 pm

Wannabepowerful don’t want to ‘fix’ the climate. They want to USE it to justify their new international currency (the carbon tonne) that they intend to use to redistribute world wealth away from countries they deem ‘advantaged’.

August 19, 2023 2:38 pm

When everybody blames climate, which is a very, very small part of the whole puzzle, you take away responsibility from all these failures,

CO2 just keeps giving. If CO2 from fossil fuels was actually changing climate then it can be the scapegoat for all manner of incompetence for a very long time. The only proven means of reducing fossil fuel consumption is nuclear fission. It would take a mammoth investment in this technology to make measurable reduction in fossil fuel use this century.

Australia has enough coal for internal use for a thousand years or more or maybe 50 for China.

August 19, 2023 3:49 pm

As well as an endless line in mindless BS, Bjorn Lomborg also has a seemingly endless supply of black T-shirts.

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 19, 2023 5:14 pm

Oh look, it’s time for the muppet show!

Reply to  Richard Page
August 19, 2023 5:44 pm

That started right at the top of this idiotic thread, Richard.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 20, 2023 12:11 am

The only two mindless muppet posts here… are yours, FN !

abolition man
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 19, 2023 6:21 pm

“Mindless BS?”
He is a professor with a PhD who has been recognized as a Global Leader of Tomorrow, a Star of Europe, and Time’s Top 100 scientists and thinkers. Foreign Policy has twice recognized him as one of the top 100 public intellectuals, and once called him a Top 100 Public Thinker!
And you are…? That’s right, Marxism is the religion of envy, hatred and greed; always thirsting for the wealth and power that others have rightly earned, only to blame them when the wheels come off the central planning Lada once again!
As for why he favors black T-shirts; who knows, maybe he’s a big Johnny Cash fan, like me!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 19, 2023 7:01 pm

ie, Foolish Nitwit cannot counter one thing that Lomborg has actually said.

(except the part about global warming being a problem)

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 19, 2023 7:09 pm

I think we can all agree that Lomborg was using “mindless mantra BS” when he said…

 “Look, global warming is a real problem, we should fix it”

He still has much to un-learn before he gets to full realisation that the whole “human-caused-global-warming” farce is a mindless, anti-science piece of nonsense.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 19, 2023 8:00 pm

TFN, I think you are just envious of Bjorn’s intelligence, education, accomplishments and good looks. It must be frustrating to be nothing more than a failed Leftist Troll.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 21, 2023 2:03 am

… a seemingly endless supply of black T-shirts

I suppose that it is possible that you genuinely believe your position of moral superiority is so rock-solid that it justifies insinuating any and all people with a different opinion can be tarnished with the “you must be a fascist” brush.

Spoiler alert : It isn’t.

Paul Graham came up with the original version of the “Debate Pyramid” attached below a long time ago.

If you examine it you may learn why so many people here, who probably (???) agree with its philosophy as well as the notion of “open and robust debate”, have downvoted your comment.

As long as you remain stuck in the “gutter” of Level 7 — “Name Calling (and/or Abuse and/or Vile Insinuation)” — your comments will continue to be heavily downloaded.

If you genuinely wish to be considered seriously, instead of receiving the “Oh, here comes the troll again” reaction your posts currently engender, you will need to rise to al least Level 3, “Counter argument”.

Paul-Graham_Debate-Pyramid.png
Geoffrey Williams
August 19, 2023 6:49 pm

Bjorn Lomberg knows his facts and he is spot on with the truth . .

Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
August 19, 2023 7:20 pm

No, he gets the part… “Look, global warming is a real problem, we should fix it” .. wrong all the time.

It is not a real problem, it is a contrived, concocted delusion.

His other comments, apart from this, about what might have helped with this horrible natural disaster, are pretty much spot on.

Especially the parts about not using the fantasy of “human caused climate change” as a crutch/facade to hide behind.

August 19, 2023 9:15 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3QFKu1DEI

Visit the webpage for Hawaii Electric. They are all about diversity (no white males) and equity (?) and decarboniztion (green energy). The young woman in this video is their CEO. In H.S. she was a champion Hula dancer. She makes 1.5 million per year.
Pathetic.

Reply to  joel
August 20, 2023 12:05 am

Bit unfair, She actually has a bachelor of business administration from the University of Hawaii at Mānoa.

Obviously knows not much about reliable electricity though.

$1.5 million.?.. now that is totally ridiculous !

Reply to  bnice2000
August 20, 2023 8:57 am

She is also a Wharton business school grad.
Just like the the Bud Lite executive who ruined the Bud Lite brand.
I mention the Hula stuff because that is a clear indication of her interests. Nothing to do with the nuts and bolts of keeping the lights on. Typical of many female execs. All looks and fashion and well spoken words, consensus builder, etc. Garbage. I am sure she checked all the right boxes.

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  joel
August 20, 2023 3:20 pm

DO NOT PLAY the diversity game or any of this woke BS in your daily life as much as possible. Push back, do not accept from pronouns to the use of white, black or whatever. PUSH BACK. I ain’t playin these games. It’s horrendously ridiculous. GROW UP WOKESTERS you pathetic creeps!!

August 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Until recently politicians and bureaucrats in the UK had two get out of jail free cards.
The EU made us do it/stopped us doing anything
It was Climate Change that did it

Now reduced to ” It’s a Climate Armageddon and will get worse”

Robertvd
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 21, 2023 4:35 am

Don’t forget the Russians

August 19, 2023 11:43 pm

I’ve watched quite a few interviews with Bjorn, I’m more of the mind that he just says warming is a problem so he doesn’t get written off by the media. Everything he supports, mitigation and only transitioning energy when there is a good alternative seems pragmatic. Whether warming is happening or not due to human activity this still seems like the best approach, so if he gets more people on board by arguing that line I think it does more good than harm.

Reply to  Jonny5
August 20, 2023 4:25 am

“I’ve watched quite a few interviews with Bjorn, I’m more of the mind that he just says warming is a problem so he doesn’t get written off by the media.”

I would agree with that. I think too many people consider how the media will react before they say anything, and many times they either don’t say anything, or they say things they think the Media will accept. I think a lot of Republican politicians are like this. They are scared to death that the Media might criticize them. So they are paralyzed with inaction.

Regardless of why Bjorn does what he does, he is still presenting speculation as facts when he says human-caused climate change is a problem because there is no evidence humans are causing the climate to change by emitting CO2.

Bjorn’s claim is not backed up by the facts. He needs to delve a little deeper into “the science”. If he did, he would realize that all these climate change alarmists are just guessing when they claim CO2 is harmful because there is not one shred of evidence backing this up.

It doesn’t take a climate scientist to figure this out. All it takes is a logical thinker. Someone who can tell the difference between what is evidence, and what is speculation, assumptions and assertions, none of which are evidence of anything. Climate science today with regard to CO2, is solely made up of speculation, assumptions and assertions. Nothing more.

cosmicwxdude
Reply to  Jonny5
August 20, 2023 3:23 pm

It’s the only reason I give him a pass.

August 20, 2023 1:31 pm

Blaming climate change and telling us that the solution is to cut CO2 by eliminating fossil fuels is extremely COUNTER productive because, not only is it wrong but it focuses on a non problem instead of addressing the real problems that can be fixed to save lives.
My years of working with the NWS, NOAA, Storm Prediction Center, National Hurricane Center and other entities that deliver timely messages to alert U.S. citizens to life threatening risks has been loaded with positive experiences and admiration but most of all, appreciation to them for saving tens of thousands of lives over the last century and giving operational meteorologists like me the information to pass on to people that follow us. 
However, it’s extremely sad to have to fault the entities in Hawaii responsible for protecting lives in this situation for completely failing in catastrophic and numerous ways.
There were no warnings with a siren system that is tested monthly and designed for natural disaster/weather emergencies. 
The lack of planning and lack of a mitigation strategy was malpractice and negligence.
At the very least, they should have controlled the invasive grass growth/fuel load. Spraying an effective herbicide over large areas in a strategic manner to kill or stifle the grass growth using misters could have cut off the fires access to unlimited fuel heading in the direction of the wind. 

Herbicidal Weed Control Methods for Pastures and Natural Areas of Hawaii

https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/WC-8.pdf

Application techniques and equipment:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Surinder-Rana/publication/339325272_Lecture_14Herbicide_application_techniques_and_equipments/links/5e4b961192851c7f7f43e513/Lecture-14Herbicide-application-techniques-and-equipments.pdf

Also, cutting that grass in some sections, especially surrounding the most vulnerable areas…… around power lines or ignition sources was an option.
The problem with cutting the grass is that it will grow back. An herbicide lasts much longer.

These are my GENERAL suggestions:
1. Effectively identify the risk areas. Including those that seem far fetched but under the most anomalously dry and windy weather, have the fuel load to cause a massive fire, especially where people live.
2. Take actions to have a warning system in place……..like using tornado/severe weather warning sirens in the earliest stages of the event, so that people can evacuate in timely fashion.
3. Provide educational information so people understand the risk and know what to do.
4. Extremely important. Practice Mitigation. In higher risk areas, reduce vegetative fuel loads/ignition sources and use known principles that apply locally to each situation to reduce the risks.
5. Stop blaming climate change. It misleads and diverts attention and resources away from PROVEN strategies above that can be used to save lives.

Wildfire Mitigation and Adaptation Guide for Homeowners

https://climatecheck.com/risks/fire/mitigation-guide-for-homeowner

 Managed Fires Can Help Mitigate the Risks Posed by Increasing Frequency of Wildfires in some places.

https://www.resources.org/common-resources/managed-fires-can-help-mitigate-the-risks-posed-by-increasing-frequency-of-wildfires/

Texas Wildfire Mitigation Project
https://wildfiremitigation.tees.tamus.edu/faqs/how-power-lines-cause-wildfires

“Power lines have caused more than 4,000 wildfires in Texas in the past three and a half years. Power lines can ignite wildfires through a variety of mechanisms.”

Preventing Wildfires Sparked by Power Lines
https://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=79257

cosmicwxdude
August 20, 2023 2:33 pm

Bjorn can be so logical, but when he says this; “ Lomborg said. “Look, global warming is a real problem, we should fix it, we should fix it smartly, ” He loses me. Fix WHAT? Weather? Good lord.