Boston’s Fossil Fuel Fiasco: A Case Study in Absurdity

Blazemedia published a story with the following headline:

Boston mayor bans ‘fossil fuels’ in new city-owned buildings to advance ‘racial and economic justice’

The article describes a stunning display of disconnected-from-reality policy making, Boston Mayor Michelle Wu recently announced a ban on fossil fuels in all new city-owned buildings. This new executive order, described as a bold step towards “racial and economic justice,” will supposedly expedite climate action, create jobs, and enhance the quality of life in the city. Oh, and all of this while having a good laugh at the principles of sound economic and infrastructural planning.

The press release detailing the executive order stated that it was aimed at “accelerating climate action by requiring that all new municipal buildings and major renovations operate without fossil fuels.” The ban extends to non-combustion usage in cooking, HVAC, and hot water apparatuses in all new buildings in the city. In other words, your basic conveniences just got a lot less convenient.

Mayor Wu claims that signs of “extreme heat, storms, and flooding” are pressing reminders of our need for urgent climate action. Her solution? Denying new buildings the most cost-effective and efficient energy sources we have. As she boldly stated,

“The benefits of embracing fossil fuel-free infrastructure in our City hold no boundary across industries and communities, and Boston will continue using every possible tool to build the green, clean, healthy, and prosperous future our city deserves.”

https://www.theblaze.com/news/boston-wu-bans-fossilfuels-govt

Someone should probably remind her about the merits of keeping the lights on and heating affordable.

But hold on, there’s more! In addition to the new buildings, the ordinance also sets ambitious emission standards for what are classified as “large existing buildings.” The aim is to have all municipal buildings achieve net-zero emissions by 2050. Isn’t it lovely when bureaucrats with zero background in energy production set arbitrary deadlines?

The chief architect of this fossil-fuel-free fantasy land is Oliver Sellers-Garcia, the city’s first “Green New Deal director.” The role was created, rather grandiosely, to ensure the city was aligning with the radical climate agenda first peddled by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2019. Sellers-Garcia’s mission, per his official remit, is to advance climate action strategies that address social, racial, and economic inequality. In simpler terms, use the climate as a pretext to push for some form of equitable utopia.

Sellers-Garcia shared some “wisdom” about this new directive, saying, “the most sustainable way to make a green building is not to start from scratch.”

The final decree from the mayor’s office is that all new capital investments must contribute to “the decarbonization of Boston’s building sector.” Because who cares about fiscal responsibility and efficient resource allocation when you can signal your virtue to the world?

This latest move from Boston’s city administration demonstrates a shocking disregard for the practical realities of urban infrastructure and energy needs. In their rush to embrace feel-good policies and appease the climate change alarmists, they seem to have forgotten the essential purpose of public buildings – to serve the community efficiently and effectively, not as a symbol of climate ideology. Let’s hope the residents of Boston enjoy their new, fossil fuel-free future. After all, they will be the ones footing the bill for this grand exercise in absurdity.

HT/Willie Soon


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Tom Halla
August 4, 2023 10:34 am

There is a reason they are called watermelons.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 4, 2023 10:38 am

Yes and the rate they are going, they are going to be frozen watermelons in Boston.

Reply to  Mark Luhman
August 5, 2023 2:07 pm

Super expensive offshore wind turbines, and batteries will come to the rescue to power the heat pumps in summer and winter, and the cookstoves and EVs year-round.

In case of power failure/blackouts, you will no longer be allowed to have gas-powered electric generators, which means, after a few days of blackouts, you throw your expensive food away.

Democrats, who elected these inane, incompetent, impractical, technically challenged people, are finally learning some of the very costly, unaffordable, realities of the situation.

The Russians,Chinese, and many other people, are laughing in their fists, as the US and EU repeatedly shoot ourselves in their feet.

GO WOKE, GO BROKE

US/UK 56,000 MW OF OFFSHORE WIND BY 2030; AN EXPENSIVE FANTASY   
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy

BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, OPERATING COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging

bobclose
Reply to  wilpost
August 6, 2023 11:45 am

No Wilpost, the gun is aimed higher up, say midsection! They havn’t got the brains to aim at the head yet.

August 4, 2023 10:47 am

From the above article’s second full paragraph:
“The ban extends to non-combustion usage in cooking, HVAC, and hot water apparatuses in all new buildings.”

Uhhhh . . . I tripped up over the phrase “non-combustion usage”. Is that really what is being banned?

I suggest the author/editor try a re-write of that sentence that, as written, really says the opposite of what was intended.

rocketscientist
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 12:00 pm

Perhaps they plan to ban cooking oil as well?

Reply to  rocketscientist
August 4, 2023 5:14 pm

JUST STOP OLIVE OIL!!!

Reply to  SteveG
August 4, 2023 6:25 pm

STOP OLIVE OIL!!!”

Popeye won’t be happy if you do that.. !

Reply to  bnice2000
August 4, 2023 8:00 pm

Poppy’s gal, Olive Oyl, spells her last name differently. So, she wouldn’t care.

cgh
August 4, 2023 10:49 am

They chose this; it’s what they deserve. As HL Mencken observed nearly a century ago, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

Boston wants to stop the suffering? Easy; stop voting in socialist morons.

mikelowe2013
Reply to  cgh
August 4, 2023 9:02 pm

And arts graduates!

Reply to  mikelowe2013
August 5, 2023 10:34 am

They are the same.

August 4, 2023 11:09 am

Re: the above article’s quote from theblaze.com:
“The benefits of embracing fossil fuel-free infrastructure in our City hold no boundary across industries and communities, and Boston will continue using every possible tool to build the green, clean, healthy, and prosperous future our city deserves.”

Idiot(s)!

If Boston really and truly follows this path, it will end all use of the following:
— structural steel used in new buildings (formed predominately via use of fossil fuels)
— concrete used in new buildings, new/repaired sidewalks, and new/repaired streets (the cement portion of which is formed via use of fossil fuels)
— asphalt used in new/repaired streets and parking lots (a direct by-product of refining fossil fuels)
— use of copper metal which is absolutely necessary for electrical wiring, e.g. that used transmit energy to EV cars or trucks or buses, and in many instances for plumbing (mined, refined and manufactured to end product forms almost exclusively using fossil fuels)

It is fundamentally impossible today to have a modern city infrastructure that is “fossil fuel-free”. Again, only idiots think otherwise.

Old Man
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 11:37 am

Not to mention that ALL the construction equipment must be battery-powered,

Reply to  Old Man
August 4, 2023 11:46 am

Or have VERY long and thick extension cords.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 8:40 pm

Powered ONLY by wind and solar.

“Well, if the Sun will just come out for another six hours, we could move that the three inches it needs to go.”

William Howard
Reply to  Old Man
August 4, 2023 12:09 pm

and batteries are charged with what fuel?

MarkW
Reply to  William Howard
August 4, 2023 1:57 pm

hopium

Reply to  Old Man
August 4, 2023 1:53 pm

I was thinking about construction machinery as well.
Since all such machines operate using diesel or gasoline, this basically prohibits new construction or major renovations.
There are no electric cranes, or loaders, or bulldozers, or dump trucks, or concrete mixers, etc.
So what exactly is she proposing be used to build anything?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
August 4, 2023 8:42 pm

Not to mention they’re all made of steel, born of a COAL FIRE. SMH!

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
August 5, 2023 3:54 am

“So what exactly is she proposing be used to build anything?”

She hasn’t thought it through. As with all leftist/climate change alarmists and their plans.

It’s enough for her to signal her virtue. Let others worry about how to implement her dream.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 5, 2023 6:09 am

We’re talking Dumbocracy here — rule by the stupidest.

bobclose
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 6, 2023 11:48 am

A ‘wet’ dream for her. More like a nightmare for us!

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
August 5, 2023 10:36 am

That’s a detail. Leftards don’t do details.

William Howard
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 12:08 pm

my guess is that since fossil fuels prove over 90% of the fuel they will only be able to run the ACs and water heaters, etc. 10% of the day

OldGreyGuy
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 1:53 pm

Will this ban also apply to all the plastics and other materials which are derived from “fossil-fuels”?

Reply to  OldGreyGuy
August 6, 2023 2:14 am

Those would be the “noncombustive” uses.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 4, 2023 7:08 pm

When they don’t achieve anything close to net zero on their deadlines (if they are still chasing this in another 25 years) they will just blame “the right” or maybe “big oil” or “big auto” or any other bogeyman. I doubt they will ever admit that the currently employed “green” technology just wasn’t up to the task of replacing fossil fuels. To do that would be to admit ff true POSITIVE value to society. I probably would have followed along with this narrative as I was fully engaged with certain media and people who would all espouse the same lie. It takes effort to think critically.

August 4, 2023 11:14 am

This reminds me of this scene from Woody Allen’s “Bananas”.

JonasM
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
August 5, 2023 4:18 pm

Is that a young Biden?
Sounds about right….

Rud Istvan
August 4, 2023 11:14 am

This is going to work out well. Seriously.
Boston gets very cold and snowy in winter. I was there for the blizzards of 71 and 78–each left about 4 feet of snow with drifts to 15 feet and near zeroF at night. With increasingly city government buildings not allowed to use fossil fuels, the city government will increasingly pretty much shut down in winter. Which is a good thing. Let Wu freeze.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 4, 2023 12:06 pm

…and since public transportation was shut down the trudge across the Charles was nasty.
If I recall the only business allowed to operate were hospitals and liquor stores.
At least they new how to keep voters.

MarkW
Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 4, 2023 1:59 pm

She’s in an existing building. It’s all those worker bees who are being put in the new buildings that will freeze.

Reply to  MarkW
August 4, 2023 9:37 pm

No new buildings at all unless they use dodgy carbon credits to cover the inherent CO2 emissions in the building materials and that generated by construction equipment.

The mayor has basically declared a public construction freeze – good bye a chunk of construction jobs.

observa
Reply to  PCman999
August 5, 2023 3:29 am

My thoughts too that this could really mean a public sector hiring freeze and they’ve won over me with that. Show me the fine print though.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
August 5, 2023 10:14 am

I wonder how long it will be before we hear that Wu flew from the disaster she created?

August 4, 2023 11:20 am

“racial and economic justice”
When everyone (except the elites) is equally destitute and miserable.

MarkW
Reply to  Shoki
August 4, 2023 11:32 am

The inevitable end result of socialism/communism.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
August 4, 2023 4:23 pm

I cracks me up how you link the two.

Reply to  Simon
August 4, 2023 4:28 pm

It cracks me up that you DON’T !

A history DENIER as well?

… or just plain ignorant?

Reply to  bnice2000
August 4, 2023 7:49 pm

Just plain ignorant is the correct answer

Reply to  Simon
August 4, 2023 9:45 pm

Socialism and communism, and fascism as well, are all linked together, children from the same abusive parent of the French Revolution.

Reply to  PCman999
August 4, 2023 9:47 pm

Well maybe grandchildren… but you get the idea.

Reply to  Simon
August 5, 2023 4:03 am

Trump links them. And Trump said in a speech last night that if elected president he is going to wipe out the U.S. communists/socialists and the Deep State.

Just what the doctor ordered!

Reply to  Simon
August 5, 2023 4:40 am

You must be a recent example of public education. Good Grief. What would happen to Cuba if not supported by communist countries? Do you think the Soviet Union tore down the Berlin Wall because of Ronald Reagan’s virtue signaling? Why do you think China relies on spying and stealing government and business intellectual products? Do you ever wonder why migrants from socialist countries continue to storm the U.S. southern border?

The history books are full of failures of socialist/communist/fascist states. That you don’t know that is illustrative of your education.

Curious George
Reply to  Shoki
August 4, 2023 12:00 pm

Please be inclusive – regarding the elites.

strativarius
August 4, 2023 11:36 am

We need an agreed scale of utter insanity Wadhams, Gleicks etc

This has to be a 9

Reply to  strativarius
August 4, 2023 11:44 am

. . . on a zero-to-8 scale.

Premium Cracker
Reply to  strativarius
August 4, 2023 1:21 pm

She can crank it up to 11 when necessary.

Reply to  strativarius
August 5, 2023 4:05 am

We could call this insanity a “Wu”. Nine on the Wu scale.

J Boles
August 4, 2023 11:48 am

Popcorn, please! I can’t wait until this policy hits reality and has to be suspended or forgotten. Green idiocy hits a cold winter – BOOOM!

MarkW
Reply to  J Boles
August 4, 2023 2:01 pm

That’s just the problem. The buildings are already built, how do you install working heaters to existing buildings during a blizzard.

gyan1
August 4, 2023 11:54 am

Reality has been totally abandoned for woke insanity.

strativarius
Reply to  gyan1
August 4, 2023 11:58 am

So, that’s an eleven…

MarkW
Reply to  gyan1
August 4, 2023 2:01 pm

Beatings will continue until moral improves.

Reply to  MarkW
August 5, 2023 1:29 pm

Their morals will never improve – they’re about as amoral as it gets.

Mr Ed
August 4, 2023 11:57 am

I was in waiting in line at a hardware store yesterday buying a few items for
a project and there were some gas generators on display closeby. There
was a 30 something guy inline ahead of me obviously not a tradesman judging
by his dress. He looked back at me so I pointed to the generator display and
said, ” Have you seen the EPA is going to ban those?” He turned away and didn’t
answer which says to me a newby green-tard from out of state. I’ve had a few
encounters with these types over the past few years and what strikes me the
most is how deeply they are into this mindset. It’s very cult like in my view.
This won’t change till it fails IMO.

J Boles
Reply to  Mr Ed
August 4, 2023 12:43 pm

And then when it fails, well it was because we did not do ENOUGH and it needed more economy of scale, don’t you know. Because it was not forced hard enough, because the Right resisted, because…never because it was a bad idea that could not possibly work.

MarkW
Reply to  J Boles
August 4, 2023 2:02 pm

The other excuse is that it failed because the wrong people were in charge.
This time we are going to be in charge and we will make it work.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  J Boles
August 4, 2023 11:21 pm

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Reply to  Mr Ed
August 4, 2023 9:52 pm

That’s a lot to assume from just the guy not wanting to talk to you. He’s probably browsing right now looking for a good deal on those generators – after researching the right size to charge up his EV!

Mr Ed
Reply to  PCman999
August 5, 2023 8:08 am

I’m in west central MT and we’ve had a very large influx of new residents
from out of state. Some are great folks and there are some of the type in this
story precisely, total wacko nut jobs.. seriously.

I’ve had some interesting discussions while getting supplies
in town. At a local heavy truck repair shop where I take my stuff when I go there the
cell phones come out and the photos from trail cams/dig cams get shared with the crew. Pics of grizzly bears, wolves, hunting & trapping ect. Redneck
networking. These pics get shared. The shop foreman has a photo collection
on his phone that is amazing. I showed some of my pics to a mid level
forest service guy at a battery shop a few years ago and he told me I might
know more than their biologists. It was some pics/stories of a wolverine pair that was in the area for a few years, stuff you never hear about in the greens lawfare
crap in the court filings.

Some of the gals at one place call me the “bear guy” after I shared some
pics/stories of a range cow that was killed by a grizzly near my house
a couple of years ago. You haven’t lived till you have had a dead cow near
your house in grizzly country. When I’m outside and hear a crow, raven or
magpie– I listen–and am always holstered up and have my scout dogs
along..

Kinda the same thing in the hardware, farm/ranch supply stores.
As independent AG producers we don’t have a regular social network but do
get some socializing in at a local places like gas station/convenience stores/
post office along with other producers in the area usually around noon or in the evening. I share what I have learned by reading this site and get asked a lot on the
climate/weather subject and and give away books and downloads.

Reply to  Mr Ed
August 5, 2023 4:10 am

“It’s very cult like in my view.
This won’t change till it fails IMO.”

I think you are correct. And I don’t think the time is far off when we will see the “renewables” gambit fail.

Some people are in for a rude awakening.

Reply to  Mr Ed
August 5, 2023 1:31 pm

I’m guessing that him wearing a dress was probably your first clue as to his mindset.

Curious George
August 4, 2023 12:03 pm

Boston is becoming a new Chicago. Or San Francisco.

Giving_Cat
Reply to  Curious George
August 4, 2023 12:18 pm

Worst of both! To be honest I’m torn as to which cities’ weather I wish upon Boston.

Reply to  Giving_Cat
August 4, 2023 12:31 pm

Yellowknife weather would be a fun experiment.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Giving_Cat
August 5, 2023 9:14 am

I’ve actually lived in both. SF is merely loony and foggy, but chilly. Chicago winters are temperature-wise colder but dry so the heat transfer rate is lower. Boston gets plenty of its own unpleasant weather. Winters can be brutal. Snow is heavy with high water content. Easterly winds across the harbor are bitter and have more heat capacitance than dry mountain air, so they chill far more quickly. Structural heaving from ice is common.

Reply to  Curious George
August 5, 2023 4:17 am

San Francisco is a lost cause, according to one commenter the other day. He said it will take San Francisco 50 years to recover, if it does at all.

So radical Democrat rule has ruined one of the finest cities in the United States. And unfortunately, San Francisco is not the only city being destroyed by radical Democrat leaders.

Fortunately, in our Republic, there are States that have not signed off on this leftwing madness, and very fortunately for me, I happen to live in one of those free States.

So people, if you want to ruin your lifestyle, then vote radical Democrats into office to be your leaders. They will lead you down the Road to Ruin.

William Howard
August 4, 2023 12:05 pm

every time you hear such nonsense and particularly when DIE is mentioned remember what the former head of the UNIPCC stated – that the real goal of the environmental movement is more about the sestruction of capitalism than saving the environment – it’s all about advancig the communist agenda

August 4, 2023 12:26 pm

It will be interesting to see how they intend to build any building over two `stories without the fossil fuel required to make concrete and steel.

Reply to  Nansar07
August 4, 2023 11:41 pm

Hell, they probably wouldn’t even allow dung bricks because the animals required would produce too much methane.

Bob
August 4, 2023 12:53 pm

The solution couldn’t be simpler. Remove all buildings housing Boston city government from the grid, turn off all fossil fuel used in these buildings, sell off all internal combustion vehicles owned by the city and do the same for the mayor’s residence and her assistants and the city council. There I fixed it for you.

DogPatch2050
August 4, 2023 1:15 pm

This will prove to be a major disaster for Boston. We are just beginning the Eddy Minimum, the third Grand Solar Minimum since the 1600’s.The next 20 to 30 years will be witness to much colder weather, and violent weather extremes. Wind and solar simply will not be sufficient.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  DogPatch2050
August 4, 2023 3:04 pm

You’re assuming measurements will from instrumentation vs. models. The models will show the oceans with temperatures well above boiling – maybe 125 C? Afterall, they’re already boiling according to the UN chief.

August 4, 2023 1:17 pm

This WUWT article talks about the (non)use of fossil fuels in running or using city municipal buildings.

This article
https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/boston-bans-use-of-fossil-fuels-to-power-the-construction-of-public-buildings/
talks about the (non)use of fossil fuels in constructing new city municipal buildings, and modifying existing city municipal buildings. The claims of the two articles do not intersect yet they both originate from the event. Does anyone know what is actually going on? Probably not the mayor.

Logically and rationally, if one admits to any of either logic or rationally, as has already been pointed out in comments here, the ban should also apply to the use of fossil fuels for the acquisition and manufacture of the construction materials. this would put Boston fully in step with the rest of the ideology that out sources all logically and rational actions to China and third world countries not enrolled in the green religion.

Dan Davis
Reply to  AndyHce
August 4, 2023 4:50 pm

More sizzle than steak.
Not the construction, The operations:
From City of Boston:
With the implementation of the EO, all new buildings will be planned, designed, and constructed so that HVAC, hot water, and cooking systems will not combust or directly connect to fossil fuels for all municipal buildings. In addition to applying to all new buildings, it also impacts alterations where structural work is planned in 75% or more of the building’s square footage. Any project that replaces a building’s heating, ventilation, air conditioning or hot water system, or cooking equipment must eliminate fossil fuel combustion in the affected system.  
Fairly easy to comply with this EO,


Reply to  Dan Davis
August 4, 2023 5:49 pm

But entirely illogical. She can’t go halfway, or the lunatic fringe will have her cancelled. Thus, the huts pictured at the top of the article are the only possible outcome. Even building those would be a stretch without the use of fossil fuels or petroleum-derived products.

Reply to  Dan Davis
August 5, 2023 4:22 am

Easy to comply but hard to live with.

Reply to  Dan Davis
August 5, 2023 10:44 am

If systems cannot connect directly to fossil fuels, how do the plan on using electricity? Run cables only from windmills? Or maybe that’s the out. Electricity is one step removed from “directly connected”. Either way, not so easy to conform.

August 4, 2023 1:21 pm

No Tyvek wrap (polyethylene) for new buildings. No PVC piping. If we’ve ruled out steel and concrete, I guess that leaves straw and dandelions.

MarkW
Reply to  Joe Gordon
August 4, 2023 2:05 pm

I was going to say clay, but that has to be fired.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Joe Gordon
August 4, 2023 8:57 pm

Maybe they can use bamboo for plumbing. Anything involving metal = made using fossil fuels.

No porcelain loos either – Another fossil fuel fire is involved in making that!

They can just use a bamboo plank with holes in it with a bamboo funnel into the bamboo plumbing. Hope it doesn’t leak!

PA Dutchman
August 4, 2023 1:27 pm

I am thinking no one will get a crap about that when they are all blue. Thank goodness Globull warming helped this year. The lowest temperature recorded in Boston, Massachusetts in 2023 is -10 °F which happened on Feb 4th. That even is not the record low for Boston.

MarkW
Reply to  PA Dutchman
August 4, 2023 2:07 pm

Channeling any one of our trolls

That even is not the record low for Boston.”

Oh my god, even the lows are getting warmer, proof positive of global warming.

starzmom
August 4, 2023 1:40 pm

Maybe they can practice this winter and shut off the gas and fossil fueled electricity. Heck, start now.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
August 4, 2023 1:52 pm

I’m not sure I have a problem with limiting city-owned buildings to non-fossil fuels. As long as government workers have to work and live in them, this is fine with me. It is critical that those buildings NOT have priority access to power, nor back-up generators, and that their utility bills be limited to what they were when they had access to fossil fuels.

I doubt it is true, but in school in the ’60s I was taught that George Washington wanted to locate the seat of Government in Washington D.C. because it was too muggy in the summer and too cold in the winter, limiting the Government from interfering in the lives of the citizens to just 3 months out of the year.

August 4, 2023 1:56 pm

Sounds like she just banned anything that is not electric or muscle powered.
And what on Earth does any of this have to do with race or justice?
Honestly, to me this just sounds utterly unhinged.
As if someone is caught up in an echo chamber of their own lies, and has simply imagined that construction can be accomplished by means other than what the entire world uses to accomplish those tasks.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
August 5, 2023 4:27 am

“And what on Earth does any of this have to do with race or justice?”

Everything has to do with race and justice if you are a radical Democrat. It’s their lever to political power. They portray themselves as standing up for the oppressed. In reality, they are the oppressors and are just using race and justice as a political ploy.

John the Econ
August 4, 2023 2:37 pm

Oh, please. Let them try this. I like it when bad Progressive social & economic experiments happen a long way away from me.

Reply to  John the Econ
August 5, 2023 4:30 am

Isn’t that the truth! I’m blessed to be far away from any radical Democrat leadership. I watch them self-destruct from afar.

DonK31
Reply to  John the Econ
August 5, 2023 11:35 am

May God and keep the tsar…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jZFnKZcids

Reply to  DonK31
August 5, 2023 12:27 pm

Ahhhh, a smart Rabbi!

SteveP
August 4, 2023 2:43 pm

I am an HVAC engineer in the Boston area. For large buildings like schools, I cannot even imagine the HVAC system types that new buildings will be forced to use under these new restrictions.

In the “old days”, an all electric school building (and Boston built a number of these) would have used a combination of air handling units and unit ventilators with each having electric resistance heating coils, along with electric duct heaters and electric baseboard heaters for control of individual zones. Domestic hot water via a large central electrically heated tank. This type of system would have been common in the mid to late 1970’s.

What will the designers do now for larger buildings? Incremental air source heat pumps? Hard to use those with large central air handlers. Maybe room-by room ductless splits, with dozens to hundreds of outdoor condensing units.

Heating large quantities of fresh air at low outdoor temperatures gets to be exceedingly difficult with heat pumps…just sayin’.

Reply to  SteveP
August 4, 2023 5:44 pm

Within the ideology, those 1970’s buildings seem to fit fine; all electric, no FF use within the buildings. If they attempt to make the building more “efficient” in terms of using less electricity, while using only electricity, there are likely some major hurdles to overcome. However, the greens obviously don’t have any intelluctual difficulty demanding conflicting, self defeating technologies.

Reply to  SteveP
August 5, 2023 4:54 am

Most of the ductless split units don’t bring in fresh air. They recycle internal air in order to achieve efficiency. This is why many homes have very unhealthy air, it is recycled day after day. The big air handlers on top of building do provide the necessary capacity to use outside fresh air as an input.

Nik
August 4, 2023 2:49 pm

The image at the top of the article is very apropos. The city in the background could well be either Cape Town or Jo’burg, South Africa, which is well on its way to full implementation of the Boston mayor’s wish.

Walter Sobchak
August 4, 2023 3:11 pm

I agree with those of you who think this is absolutely bonkers. But, people this disconnected from reality can not be reasoned with.

I hope that Boston implements these plans. They will be a total disaster and we will have the pleasure of telling them “I told you so”.

Then perhaps we will be able to reason with them.

“Example is the school of mankind, and they will learn at no other.”
Edmund Burke, Letter i. On a Regicide Peace. Vol. v. p. 331.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 5, 2023 1:36 pm

When it doesn’t work she’ll just blame it on Trump.

Lee Riffee
August 4, 2023 3:17 pm

Banning fossil fuels in new construction is basically (at least in areas where natural gas is readily available) an end run around way to curb construction. IMO they don’t want any new building – this is the way things are in California. What a great way to continue to drive up housing costs! And drive away business….
And clearly these kinds of clowns don’t think things thru. What about building owners (apartments, offices, etc) where said building desperately needs to have the HVAC system replaced? What happens when the owners are caught between doing the upgrade (with super expensive non FF equipment) and pricing rents so high as to drive out tenants? Or not doing the needed repairs and then incurring all of the problems and costs of trying to keep an aging system going? Either way, it’s a lose-lose situation for the property owner! I can see some buildings even being abandoned due to the owners inability to upgrade the HVAC and other systems within the framework of this new regulation.

Reply to  Lee Riffee
August 4, 2023 5:45 pm

But when they are talking about their buildings, they only want the best.

Do municipal, city-owned buildings somehow also mean “privately” owned buildings? I guess that is the case in the commune.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Lee Riffee
August 5, 2023 1:50 pm

“And clearly these kinds of clowns don’t think things thru.”

If they hadn’t changed the grading system for kindergarten, she’d still be trying to put the round pegs into the square holes.

Rich Davis
August 4, 2023 3:21 pm

But luckily at this point probably only about 70% of economic activity in Boston is devoted to government. (vs 30% cannabis sales).

DonK31
August 4, 2023 4:50 pm

I think that the Mayor should show that she has some testosterone producing organs. Instead of the goal being 2050, 20 years after she has left office and therefore has no more skin in the game, she should stop the use of fossil fuels in 2025 for all government buildings and the homes of all government employees. This includes electricity produced from fossil fuels or imported from other states or Provinces.

Reply to  DonK31
August 5, 2023 4:43 am

Yeah, what is she waiting on? The world is about to end because CO2, it’s time to get cracking. The year 2050 will be much too late. Doesn’t she know the oceans and atmosphere are boiling! now because CO2?

Gary Pearse
August 4, 2023 4:57 pm

I was an early supporter of advancement and equality for women having had a sister in the genius category ahead of me in school. More than half a dozen decades later, I’ve modified this view in one aspect – the political sphere.

There have been a number of admirable women heads of state, of course, who have taken the tough decisions needed to act in the best interests of their citizens: Golda Meier, Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Sheikh Hasina (today’s PM of Bangladesh who told the WEF in Davos, Al Gore and Kerry her plan to continue to build coal fired plants to raise her people out of poverty).

Unfortunately, though, the very fine trait of nurturing and caregiving seems to be strong in most women, and in power, it manifests itself in a socialist bent. Women governors, mayors and other officials by and large tend toward nanniness governance.

August 4, 2023 5:38 pm

Go all the way, Boston. Build without the use of fossil fuels or petroleum-derived products. In other words, build nothing.

I still say, if Boston wants renewable energy, let them build it there locally. They have plenty of windy high rise locations.

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Reply to  pflashgordon
August 4, 2023 6:27 pm

Just put a horizontal turbine above a vent from their parliament !

ResourceGuy
August 4, 2023 6:55 pm

Excellent and remember to expand it aggressively. /sarc

August 4, 2023 7:07 pm

And this from EIA.GOV website on Massachusetts’ electricity sources [2021]:
NatGas ~66%, “Renewables” 29% [mostly hydro & solar PV], no coal or nuclear (decommissioned their only nuke 2019), and < 1% oil (peaker facility).
https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=MA

And from the EIA note how self-sufficient they are:
“… in 2020 Massachusetts consumed almost three times as much electricity as it generated, and additional electricity was brought in over the regional grid.”
[but it didn’t say the type of regional e sources they rely on]

Clearly, Boston’s mayor is not smart enough to know when her chosen energy director is promoting a fantasy. Sad.

August 4, 2023 7:49 pm

I grew up in a town known as Levittown.
Cookie-cutter houses based upon designs used in the original New York Levittown.
The houses had partial small windows with half screens. Nor were the windows abundant, so establishing cross breezes were often impossible.

Summers could be sweltering.

When I was about 14, I was on a Boy Scout 10 mile hike and came across a small store in a country farmhouse.
The items were in a large room with all of the windows open so the room was just as hot as the outside.

After purchasing some candy, I asked about a rest room. The ladies considered me and then let me into their main house to use the bathroom.
That part of of the farmhouse was deliciously cool. Cool enough to send a chill through my sweat soaked clothing.
No air conditioning, at all.

I asked how they kept it so cool.
The ladies were delighted and showed me how they used the full length windows with full length screens to capture overnight coolness.
During the day, those windows were sealed shut.
Once the evening started cooling, they would open the upstairs windows at the top of the windows so heat could escape.
They would open the downstairs windows, but only the bottom half of the window so cool air would enter.
When all windows were open properly, you can feel the cross breeze immediately.

In the morning, one shuts all of the windows and close drapes, especially drapes on the sunny side of the house.
Then movement in/out of the house is kept to a minimum.

Every older house, pre A/C and heat pump manufacture, I’ve lived in had abundant tall windows.

I didn’t own an A/C or heat pump until I moved to New Orleans.

Most newer housing and business buildings have minimal windows and very few windows that open.
Without A/C, it is very difficult to work or live in modern buildings during the summer.

“Her solution? Denying new buildings the most cost-effective and efficient energy sources we have. As she boldly stated,

“The benefits of embracing fossil fuel-free infrastructure in our City hold no boundary across industries and communities, and Boston will continue using every possible tool to build the green, clean, healthy, and prosperous future our city deserves.”

Sellers-Garcia shared some “wisdom” about this new directive, saying, “the most sustainable way to make a green building is not to start from scratch.”

“Not to start from scratch”, I take that to mean existing and new buildings will be unchanged except for the ridiculous rule.
Which means none of those building have sufficient ventilation for Sellers-Garcia and Wu’s changes.

Which also means that thanks to politician dimwittedness, Boston may finally achieve excessive summer deaths from heat.

Sells-Garcia and Wu should be charged with murder when that happens.

August 4, 2023 7:51 pm

This is like our new mayor of calgary elected in oct 2021, on day 1 she declared a climate emergency.
On day 2 she welcomed a new low cost airline to the city, low cost flights being the worst possible contributor to emissions.

So stupid she can’t even grasp the contradiction.
A good progressive.

lawrie45
August 4, 2023 7:52 pm

What will she build with? Grass.

BenVincent
August 4, 2023 8:13 pm

Boston used to be known for The Big Dig which was an utter fiasco. Now this. I guess Boston likes being known for utter fiascos.

AGW is Not Science
August 4, 2023 8:36 pm

And here we have THE example to poke a GIGANTIC hole in that stereotype about Asians being smart.

Keitho
Editor
August 4, 2023 11:12 pm

Well that’s just super. Does she mean during the construction phase as well?

August 5, 2023 1:59 am

Hahahahahaha! The utter stupidity of this! What is wrong with these people? Are they actually insane? And who the heck elected this idiot to power? Is the entire populace mad?

Reply to  zzebowa
August 5, 2023 5:07 am

Real good questions that could be applied to many other radical Democrat cities and States, too.

Why are they blind to the true situation? The truth is out there, with regard to human-caused climate change and everything else, but they can’t see it.

Humans are very prone to fooling themselves. They will believe what they want to believe and will reject or accept facts depending on whether those facts support their belief system.

We all do it. We should all try to guard against doing it. It’s easier said than done. And obviously, some people are not successful at guarding against it.

Reply to  zzebowa
August 5, 2023 10:48 am

Well, they’re Democrats, so…

August 5, 2023 3:48 am

From the article: “This latest move from Boston’s city administration demonstrates a shocking disregard for the practical realities of urban infrastructure and energy needs. In their rush to embrace feel-good policies and appease the climate change alarmists, they seem to have forgotten the essential purpose of public buildings – to serve the community efficiently and effectively, not as a symbol of climate ideology.”

Texas, here we come!

Boston builders and residents will be moving to the free States of Texas and Florida, and the others in the southern (Red) U.S.

Our leaders on the left are completely divorced from reality. I’m sure glad I don’t live in one of their cities.

In my State, the use of gasoline and natural gas are encouraged. No pandemic shutdowns. No mask mandates. Freedom !!!

August 5, 2023 6:07 am

This is the capital city of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that continually brags about being the “best-educated state.” Haaahvaahd, et alia.

So the allegedly smartest people in the country, possibly the universe, are rejecting almost everything we’ve learned since the European Renaissance, in order to fix something that ain’t broke, by replacing physics, chemistry, biology, and math with superstition.

If this is what smarties do, imagine what stupid people are doing.

gezza1298
August 5, 2023 7:34 am

Will all the construction companies form a convoy to leave Boston for somewhere not run by a moron?