Climate Hypocrisy Wednesday Part Three: Nature Magazine Calls Out the IPPC for Climate Hypocrisy

It doesn’t get any better than this.

At least the author has the guts to say that the IPCC should practice what it preaches.

The IPCC should aggressively limit its own emissions instead of requiring in-person sessions and the attendant long-haul flights. Although meetings contribute only a tiny fraction of total global emissions, improving accountability would have an outsized impact on the IPCC’s effectiveness, and would be a case study for robust, internationally coordinated mitigation.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01707-5

He notes that people such as myself will use the hypocrisy to ridicule and criticize those activists who don’t walk the walk.

This irony does not go unnoticed across the political spectrum. Conservatives point to individual researchers’ emissions to justify lack of urgency or to validate their view that institutional decarbonization is impossible; progressives see a lack of effective action and a growing philosophical barrier between science and activism. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01707-5

While I disagree with this guy’s point of view, his wokeness, and silly equity framing, his writing is logical and not the least bit rationalizing.

The emissions associated with the IPCC process are not trivial, but they are manageable. The challenges mirror those of the wider mitigation problem: assessment of direct and indirect emissions, the need for fairness in the face of robust targets, the reliability of removal methods and the need for international agreement on how to verify them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01707-5

Even failure to achieve targets would be useful, by highlighting real-world limitations in net-zero policy assumptions, which could then inform wider societal strategy.

As the July elections for the next assessment cycle approach, IPCC members should remember that nobody is better placed to demonstrate how to eliminate emissions. The IPCC’s actions matter, not just its words. Although it might make climate scientists uncomfortable, what the IPCC does about its own carbon emissions might be as crucial to its effectiveness as advancing cogent and robust science.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01707-5

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J Boles
May 24, 2023 6:04 pm

RIGHT ON! Get the greens to turn on each other, for not being green enough, get a vicious cycle going, green on green violence, at least hypocritical finger pointing.

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Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  J Boles
May 24, 2023 6:43 pm

Factless demagogues always turn on each other. Same as commercial cartels always fall apart. They have nothing but lies and hypocrisy in common and there is no trust among them, nothing to hold them together.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
May 25, 2023 1:19 am

…nothing to hold them together.

Wishful thinking, I’m afraid, my dear straw man renovation expert! What they all have in common is the financial interest in keeping the great subsidy milking machine running.

Whether they are crony capitalists selling bird shredders and slaver panels that would never be made or sold without subsidies and/or regulations, or they are climastrologers with no business calling themselves scientists, doing bogus impact studies funded by the climate-industrial complex, or they are political-critters like The Big Guy ™ making side deals to skim off the pot of gold, or like the carnival barkers (see Al Gore) who build their political brand on an unctuous Green piety, or they are enviro-hypocrites running NGOs, soliciting contributions from the useful idiots, or running carbon offset scams in exotic locales, each has a financial interest in propping up the house of cards.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2023 4:39 am

“bird shredders and slaver panels”

these are the only terms we should ever use for “green energy”

William Howard
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 25, 2023 5:59 am

I like “Condor Cuisinart” myself – yes there are financial incentives for many but that doesn’t explain why the great unwashed masses have fallen for this hoax – my guess it has more to do with anti-capitalism and envy than financial – as the former head of the UNIPCC stated the environmental movement is more about the destruction of capitalism than the environment – the world is just filled with communists

KevinM
Reply to  William Howard
May 25, 2023 10:13 am

I associate “Cuisinart” with oven not blender. Which appliance seems important to the slang.

mikelowe2013
Reply to  J Boles
May 24, 2023 8:21 pm

Sounds like the “Whales v Windmills” scenario again. Let them fight!

KevinM
Reply to  mikelowe2013
May 25, 2023 10:14 am

Whales are not cute like baby fur seals.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  J Boles
May 25, 2023 4:38 am

let’s not forget the old saying, “The revolution like Saturn devours its own children” by Danton at his trial

KevinM
Reply to  Sommer
May 25, 2023 10:31 am

Back in 2008 I followed 4 sites including this one. I picked them back up in 2020 to find all 4 have become more political. Only this one still politically/thematically similar to history as I remember history. Two wandered too far left for me, and the one linked by Sommer has wandered right. I can’t read it anymore because I need to have a professional career in a world that does not fit that model, but also because both its articles and commentary have gone “too far” for my personal taste. That site seems pro- 1970s Warsaw Pact and the comments contain a lot of very mean-spirited writing that attacks predictable easy-target-in-1950 ethnic groups.
Anyway, thanks WUWT for resisting the magnetism of full-on-politics in a world that begs for it. Perhaps the scientific-framing of the core issue helps, but it still takes discipline to say “No” once in a while.

SteveG
May 24, 2023 7:13 pm

 The IPCC’s actions matter, not just its words. 

Wrong — The IPCC’s actions and words don’t matter at all.

JoeG
Reply to  SteveG
May 24, 2023 7:41 pm

Their only actions involve going to and leaving the meetings.

Rich Davis
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 1:28 am

Say what?

To say that the IPCC doesn’t matter, is like a Jew in Berlin in 1937 saying that the Nazis are no big deal. Wake up and smell the Zyklon B! The carbon they want to eliminate is you.

SteveG
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2023 2:35 am

I think you are pulling rather a long bow with that comparison.

Rich Davis
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 2:46 am

You object to my hyperbole? Perhaps I exaggerate slightly. But Club of Rome, World Economic Forum, UN globalists are not going away if you pretend that their words and actions have no effect. Our economy and our freedom is being destroyed before our eyes as a direct result of their activism.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2023 4:20 am

“Our economy and our freedom is being destroyed before our eyes as a direct result of their activism.”

No doubt about that.

SteveG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 25, 2023 4:49 am

Certainly, but it is the governments and bureaucracies at all levels that are directly responsible via nutty green policy interventions. Yes, those policies are driven by a number of factors, green activism being one of them.

We know these policies are unsustainable, it is just a matter of time.

KevinM
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 10:36 am

Some past unsustainable global policies were resolved by war. Is that possible anymore?

SteveG
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2023 4:34 am

I don’t mind the occasional bowl of hyperbole.

Yes, the UN, globalist elites etc, are a problem. They have taken the IPCC “science” and gutted it and replaced it with the collective narrative of political scientism and orthodoxy

However, I believe that truth and real natural science will prevail. We will once again know that we don’t know everything.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 4:44 am

a great deal of damage will be done before we prevail

SteveG
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 25, 2023 4:47 am

We must remain positive, optimistic. It is vital, particularly for children. I see small shoots of reality starting to emerge. Truth always wins, always.

Rich Davis
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 4:31 pm

Yes Tinkerbell, Fervent belief, accompanied by vigorous clapping always does the trick, as at Auschwitz, Treblinka, Katyn Forest, Nanjing, and the K!lling Fields of the Khmer Rouge.

pflashgordon
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 7:15 am

Just remember who makes up the UN. Mostly failed or power-hungry tyrannical nations rooting for our demise.

KevinM
Reply to  pflashgordon
May 25, 2023 10:39 am

“States. The UN’s Membership has grown from the original 51 Member States in 1945 to the current 193 Member States.”

Google thinks there are 195 total states on earth.

Drake
Reply to  KevinM
May 27, 2023 8:13 pm

UN, a democratic world government controlled by dictator and theocratic governments given votes by democracies and republics.

Stupidest thing ever.

BUT the one world people will have no problem putting the right rulers in place to win the votes they want. They already win the votes they want.

Mark BLR
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 3:02 am

The IPCC’s actions and words don’t matter at all.

When the enviro-mental-ists claim that they are “just following the science“, or that “we” all “have to” implement their extrapolations of “what the scientists / the experts are telling us”, who do you think they are referring to ?

Without the IPCC [ not the “IPPC” in the headline above … wince … ] they would be reduced to just another set of “radical activists” who might need to have an eye kept on them to prevent them physically damaging property (or other people), but can otherwise simply be ignored as “attention-seeking nutters”.

SteveG
Reply to  Mark BLR
May 25, 2023 4:02 am

The context of the comment was in relation to their CAGW doctrines.

The IPCC is best described as the disseminator of political scientism, taken forth by the UN and adopted by central governments.

I agree we see this doctrine of “political” scientism manifest when central governments and agencies create and implement policies purely informed by “science”. These policies are designed to limit people’s basic rights and attempt to control people’s control actions.

“Follow the Science” is the mantra.

Climate Science became politically corrupt decades ago.

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 4:48 am

“Follow the Science” is the mantra.

that certainly is their mantra- but before climate science, I don’t recall ever hearing anyone say “follow the science” regarding any other science- this certainly looks suspicious, like “follow the dogma”

“the science” is a stupid way to refer to any science

SteveG
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 25, 2023 4:54 am

I don’t recall being aware of the slogan either. It is meaningless, unless you are a devotee of scientism. Governments’ COVID responses certainly adopted “follow the science” with a passion…

Tony_G
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 25, 2023 9:48 am

I’m not sure I ever heard “follow the science” before Covid, but if it was around earlier it certainly wasn’t as pervasive. It’s like a cult mantra now.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Tony_G
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

“follow the science climate pied piper”
fixed it!

I’d like to see AI create that image! I’m sure someone here can do it. I haven’t yet played with AI.

KevinM
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 10:42 am

Sometimes its okay to say “Oops, I should have thought a moment before I said that.”

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 4:41 am

they matter in the sense that they’ve poisoned western civilization- not that they’ve offered any truth

KevinM
Reply to  SteveG
May 25, 2023 10:34 am

If words don’t matter, why comment?

insufficientlysensitive
May 24, 2023 7:41 pm

Even failure to achieve targets would be useful, by highlighting real-world limitations in net-zero policy assumptions, which could then inform wider societal strategy.

Nice. But this wise guy hasn’t even begun to address the costs arising from a fully running net-zero infrastructure – nor has he suggested that somewhere, someone (say a 100,000-person polity) must actually put in place and DEMONSTRATE how such a system would work, and how much it would cost its taxpayers and its users.

In short, it’s all still verbal fantasies, with occasional references to ‘science’ and ‘scientists’ – while carefully omitting the arguments of those scientists who aren’t locked into the so-called ‘majority opinion’. Nothing to invest your life savings into.

Mark BLR
Reply to  insufficientlysensitive
May 25, 2023 3:28 am

But this wise guy hasn’t even begun to address …

… while carefully omitting the arguments of those scientists who aren’t locked into the so-called ‘majority opinion’

Here I side more with Charles’ “his writing is logical” assessment than yours.

From the Nature “World View” article being discussed :

There are wider concerns about vaguely defined net-zero policies, which allow policymakers to broadcast their intentions to meet climate targets sometime in the future, while global emissions remain broadly constant today. Emissions-reduction plans are highly dependent on the future development and large-scale deployment of technologies to remove carbon dioxide from the air. The technological and physical plausibility of achieving net zero, as well as its definition, are subjects of extensive scientific debate.

Even failure to achieve targets would be useful, by highlighting real-world limitations in net-zero policy assumptions, which could then inform wider societal strategy.

He still has a looooooooong way to go, but he has at least “begun to” think about some of the uncertainties when advocating for rushing towards a “net-zero” world, as well as admitting the possibility that there just might be some negative consequences of doing so too rapidly, e.g. as a result of knee-jerk reactions to all of the unsubstantiated “But it’s a crisis / emergency ! ! !” rhetoric.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mark BLR
May 25, 2023 4:55 am

it would be one thing if they called for a “low carbon world” (still bad of course) but asking for a “net zero world” is utopianism- and that, historically, has always proved a failure

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  insufficientlysensitive
May 25, 2023 4:52 am

“real-world limitations in net-zero policy assumptions”

hmmmm…. admitting there are assumptions? he and others need to be pushed on this- it could be a wedge to weaken their ambitions

Chris Hanley
May 24, 2023 9:41 pm

“There are wider concerns about vaguely defined net-zero policies, which allow policymakers to broadcast their intentions to meet climate targets sometime in the future, while global emissions remain broadly constant today”.
That statement by the author is puzzling but the Global Carbon Project (“an organization that seeks to quantify global greenhouse gas emissions and their causes” Wiki) claim CO2 emissions have been relatively flat since 2015.
As the increase in the atmospheric CO2 concentration is supposedly a direct result of emissions, where did the additional 20 ppm come from?

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Javier Vinós
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 25, 2023 1:02 am

I explained this in my book.

13.2 Changes in CO2 emissions and atmospheric levels

Due to the large size of natural stores, sinks, and sources, the trend in atmospheric CO2 levels responds slowly to changes in emissions. The 7% decrease in emissions caused by the societal response to the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 (Le Quéré et al. 2021) is, as expected, undetectable in atmospheric levels a year later. A conservative forecast by extrapolating the increase in CO2 values since 1960 gives 498 ppm of CO2 by 2050.

…

If we stabilize emissions (E) near present levels, as current trend suggests, the difference between sinks and sources will continue increasing until it matches emissions (ΔK–ΔS = E), reaching a new equilibrium for constant emissions. Since we are c. 120 ppm above equilibrium and sinks are absorbing 50% of our emissions (ΔK–ΔS = 0.5E), it can be calculated that for constant current emissions the new equilibrium lies at 240 ppm (120/0.5) above the present equilibrium value of 290 ppm, or 530 ppm.

https://www.amazon.com/Climate-Past-Present-Future-scientific-ebook/dp/B0BCF5BLQ5/

If our emissions remain flat, atmospheric levels should continue increasing, but more slowly over time, until reaching 530 ppm. At that point, sinks will be absorbing all our emissions.

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Javier Vinós
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 25, 2023 1:11 am

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The figure in the book is updated with 2021 data, showing a recovery, but the 5-year rate of increase in CO2 emissions is close to zero.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 25, 2023 1:51 am

By broadly flat they may be referring to Naomi Oreskes, I’m not sure. But please Chris, what on earth are you doing, parsing and validating claims? Their words are not to be taken literally, they are background music to give the right atmosphere.

You may say that the herculean efforts of the West’s climate crash-test dummies in Germany, California or Australia have been dumptruck loads of gold bars dumped into the deep ocean, vanishing without a splash like a perfect scoring high diver. You might say that, you silver-tongued devil. But they can’t say that, now can they?

No, they cannot. So, let’s see. That Keeling curve relentlessly rising at what, a 30 degree angle or what have you, is relatively a straight line, not curvy. It’s not accelerating? Ok, then we can make it sound like all the pointless efforts at least held the trend line “relatively flat”.

There you go. Hope that helps elucidate things.

KevinM
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 25, 2023 10:58 am

“An organization claims CO2 emissions have been relatively flat since 2015… where did the additional 20 ppm come from?”

If you think of water from a spigot filling a bucket with a hole in its bottom, you will see why the water level in the bucket depends on both the rate that water pours into the bucket from its top and the rate that water leaks out its bottom.

The “leaky bucket” analogy is key to old-school linear feedback mechanical control systems design theory and has been largely replaced by computer control. Once you attach a lightning-fast computer with infinite attention span to something, you can ditch integrals and turn cheap valves on and off until they break. That’s how iPhones perform miraculous feats every microsecond but only last a few years… they bust their “cheap valves”.

Right-Handed Shark
May 25, 2023 12:29 am

I’d go further. We all know their conclusions and that nothing, not logic, nor reason, nor proof they are actually wrong about any issue, (methane for example) will change their collective mind. We don’t need them to keep repeating the message ad infinitum. Way past time they were disbanded altogether.

Jim Gorman
May 25, 2023 4:55 am

As I read the article, the author has a point. If the IPCC wants to propagate the attitude that there is a catastrophic calamity awaiting us in less than a decade, then they need to be the best example to everyone else on how to change it. No flying, no ICE limos, drive EV’s only, etc.

No more “You’ll have to give up gas for cooking, heating, hot water.”

Only, “I have given up gas for cooking, heating, hot water to do my part!”

Dave Andrews
May 25, 2023 7:48 am

Re the IPCC, Mike Hulme and others have published an open access book entitled ‘A Critical Assessment of the IPCC’ (8th Dec 22) which is available via his website. Whilst not ‘critical’ in the sense most of us here would use the term it is interesting.

https://mikehulme.org

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Javier Vinós
Reply to  Dave Andrews
May 25, 2023 10:04 am

Title incorrect. It should be “An Uncritical Defense of the IPCC.”

MarkW
May 25, 2023 7:50 am

Story tip

Is this why leftists have been pushing the AI panic button recently?

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-eventually-need-international-authority-openai-leaders-say

Javier Vinós
Reply to  MarkW
May 25, 2023 10:06 am

They fear it might get intelligent enough to see through the climate crisis hoax and tell people.

KevinM
Reply to  Javier Vinós
May 25, 2023 11:15 am

Climate crisis is one island that we WUWT readers might become fixated on. AI could screw up the whole archipelago. For one out-of-the-air example, consider what it does to the modern university assertions about IQ tests? I picked an example there that sounds obscure but lead to one of Wikipedia most-edited but least-mentioned topics.
Acceptance for AI selecting a streaming TV queue has gone past actual “acceptance” and become “expectation”. What happens when “thinking roles” start getting replaced _faster_than_ “doing roles”.
e.g. everybody that works in an office cube shares 36ish square feet with a machine that could replace them permanently for a week’s pay.
How terrifying must it be to view a web page through the eyes of one’s own replacement.

KevinM
May 25, 2023 10:11 am

The headline in my browser still reads: “Climate Hypocrisy Wednesday Part Three: Nature Magazine Calls Out the IPPC for Climate Hypocrisy”

“IPPC”

Typo

KevinM
Reply to  KevinM
May 26, 2023 10:23 am

…Still says “IPPC”…

serag
May 25, 2023 11:44 pm

Come on. This is pretty weak tea as far as reasons against this nonsense. Particularly as most of us know that human flourishing is directly dependent on abundant energy being available to all. And most of us know the emissions including from planes are not the problem they are cracked up to be. So this sort of hypocrisy line cedes the claims of the opposition. If we want to say as is valid “if you believed this you wouldn’t be acting thus” then we should just say that.

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