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another ian
September 17, 2022 3:11 am

A couple of items for that WEF bug diet

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And to wash them down

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  another ian
September 17, 2022 4:02 am

‘hot drink’, or just a warm drink?

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 20, 2022 8:48 am

R Kelly for spokesman!

Kevin kilty
Reply to  another ian
September 17, 2022 7:59 am

The bug zapper. Tradename suggestion: Coax and Cook.

Richard Page
Reply to  Kevin kilty
September 17, 2022 12:30 pm

It’ll only work if you can get George Foreman to front it!

September 17, 2022 3:12 am

I am wondering where this paper now sits in terms of refuting climate alarmism?

Dependence of Earth’s Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases. W. A. van Wijngaarden, W. Happer

The paper seems to undermine the basic physics of the global warming theory but except for presentations being done by Professor Happer, it has been generally ignored. I have not found anybody who has attempted to refute the actual physics, but there are plenty of personal attacks, particularly on Happer.

Anyway if this paper undermines the climate change theory from first principles, why is not been pushed harder especially form sites like this one?

Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 3:28 am

“it has been generally ignored. I have not found anybody who has attempted to refute the actual physics, but there are plenty of personal attacks, particularly on Happer.”.

That’s how they operate everywhere. 1. Ignore anything inconvenient. 2. If that doesn’t work use personal attack. And then there’s 3. If that doesn’t work get them cancelled (eg. get them fired, get them defunded, pressure journals not to publish their work, etc).

What thoroughly disgusts me is that some “scientists” use these tactics.

Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 3:43 am

It is easy to ignore because the journals rejected it. But they only tried three top physics journals, which I think was not enough given these journal have rejection rates around 80%. It is just a preprint at this point.

Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 4:01 am

“The paper seems to undermine the basic physics of the global warming theory’

WRONG. The paper supports the basic physics of AGW although it does not consider water vapor positive feedbacks that allegedly convert AGW to CAGW.

In more recent slide shows, Happer has claimed:
“We now call the gases that block heat-radiation “greenhouse gases.” CO2 is indeed a greenhouse gas. But it is not a very good greenhouse gas at today’s concentration.”

How to Think about Climate Change: The Independent Institute

Reply to  Richard Greene
September 17, 2022 8:06 am

CO2 is not a pollutant or a greenhouse gas. Try and live without it.

Rich Davis
Reply to  VOWG
September 18, 2022 5:21 am

CO2 is not a pollutant, but it is a minor greenhouse gas. Why deny a harmless truth?

Reply to  Richard Greene
September 17, 2022 10:52 am

Yes it supports AGW in that there is a forcing created by doubling CO2, but it is very small due to what is called “saturation”. In fact the IPCC gets a similar result. As you say, this is not where CAGW comes from. Nor need the small forcing create warming.

Happer told me they were now looking at clouds but I have heard no results yet. That they also find water vapor “extremely saturated” as they put it greatly reduces the potential positive feedback from increased water vapor.

Reply to  Richard Greene
September 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Thanks for the link to Happer’s presentation. I use his points and graphs in the talks I give to the local clubs in my community. The most challenging concept to get across to the layman is that of the logarithmically decreasing warming from increasing CO2. Using the Schwarzschild graph is a good start, but the audience does not easily comprehend its significance. So I’m going to try this graphic attempt using Yule Brenner’ s bald head as earth …

Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 18, 2022 7:52 am

That goes from an ‘airless planet to an ‘airy planet.
Better ask my local barber – he knows everything….

Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 19, 2022 9:20 am

I’ve always liked the thought of painting over a previous colour on a wall, something most have done. After x number of coats the finished colour doesnt change any more.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 4:04 am

What paper? Are threads getting mixed up?

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 17, 2022 6:12 am
This paper just shows how to do the calcs correctly, doesn’t really “undermine” any principles, more “reinforces” them. It is actually more “textbook” than ground-breaking, although “textbooks” are lacking in quantity and readability in this field.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 17, 2022 9:42 am

This one (from Simonsays’ comment today at 3:12 AM):

Dependence of Earth’s Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases. W. A. van Wijngaarden, W. Happer

Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 5:53 am

I’m refuting climate alarmism all the time using Happer’s information. I have already given over 30 talks, in various climate-related subjects, and have 12 more scheduled here in The Villages, FL. There are over 2,000 clubs here, and so there’s plenty of opportunity to get the word out. However, one of the “science” clubs here has already banned me from exposing climate reality — this is one of the “liberal” science clubs. I use this information when folks ask about the science …

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 8:08 am

Yes, Simonsays, these guys do radiative physics for a living! I can see why climateers don’t take them on in argument. The activists usually argue an issue for awhile before they turn to ugly ad hominems and comb the internet to see if their challengers have ever been arrested for wife-beating or grand theft.

Richard M
Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 9:08 am

Since it only uses radiation models the paper itself is just a verification of many other papers (with slight differences) that demonstrate increases in CO2 will create increases in the total amount of CO2 produced radiation. Probably why they weren’t published.

The article by Willis E on greenhouse-efficiency measured by CERES is the real destruction of climate alarmism. He should publish the findings. By showing there’s no increase in the strength of the greenhouse effect, Willis has demonstrated there is negative feedback to the radiation increase found in papers using radiation models.

I’ve highlighted the main problems with these models:

1) They don’t include boundary layer feedback which cancels almost all the 3 W/m2 of downward radiation at the surface.

2) They don’t mention the increases in upward radiation above the boundary layer.

Reply to  Richard M
September 17, 2022 5:35 pm

So if Wijngaarden, W. Happer and Willis E are undermining the basic physics that CAGW is built on (first principles if you like), why are sites like this getting distracted by the noise being pushed by climate alarmists such getting sucked into stories about Polar bears, Greenland melting, Ice free Artic and so on.

If the basic science is wrong then that message has to be front and centre and people like me shouldn’t have to go searching all over the internet to find that out.

It’s time that the push back against the alarmists with a clear simple single argument. If this is an argument undermines the foundation of AGW theory it needs to be pushed ad nauseam.

The messaging is getting lost amongst the noise.

Richard M
Reply to  Simonsays
September 17, 2022 9:08 pm

Skeptics tend to have their own favorite theories. They often are just as critical of other skeptical ideas as they are of climate science.

John Power
Reply to  Richard M
September 19, 2022 3:48 pm

‘By showing there’s no increase in the strength of the greenhouse effect, Willis has demonstrated there is negative feedback to the radiation increase found in papers using radiation models.’
So it would appear, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Strictly speaking, Willis has only shown that his analysis of the CERES data did not detect an increase in the strength of the greenhouse effect. This doesn’t necessarily mean that there isn’t one there in reality which might be detectable with new, better data and/or a different, more rigorous analysis. It is also unknown at this early stage whether Willis’s CERES data are correct and whether his analysis is not flawed somehow, because neither have been scrutinised, tested and verified independently as yet.

September 17, 2022 3:15 am

Under new management

Even though the media castigated Boris with a passion called hate, they couldn’t fault Carrie’s green influence over him and the policies he put in place for net zero. Now he and all those green ‘certainties’ have gone. 

Now the media is horrified by the new Truss administration and its pledge to exploit shale and the North sea fields to alleviate the cost of living (energy and food) crisis. [More] Renewables is the answer, they cry. Some Truss appointments have sent the hacktivists into a frothing rage

“Her newly appointed chief economic adviser, Matthew Sinclair, wrote a book entitled Let Them Eat Carbon in 2011, in which he argued that “the temperatures we face today may not be the ideal conditions for humanity to live and flourish”. Let warming go wild, in other words. It might be fun. Sure, it was over a decade ago and don’t let’s cancel him for ever over a tiny little book – all he did was mindlessly risk the end of the species.”

The funny thing there is The Guardian claims the culture war, with its twitter-mob pile-ons and cancellations (excommunications), is a far-right myth and yet here is The Guardian’s Zoe Williams saying…. “don’t let’s cancel him for ever over a tiny little book”. Got your doublethink cap on?

“Lancashire fracking: 2.9 magnitude tremor recorded

An earthquake with a magnitude of 2.9 has been recorded near the UK’s only active shale gas site in Lancashire. Cuadrilla said it was investigating the tremor and said no fracking was being carried out at the time.”

Sounds pretty bad, right?

Well, a honeydew melon dropping to the floor registers 2.055 and a desk fan turned on at full power can register 2.855

Which is why the limit was set at 0.5. Now that that ludicrous ban has been lifted and Truss is pressing ahead they have one last throw of the dice…

“The Guardian view on a Tory nightmare: ministers out of step with the crown

King Charles has said that he will abide by the “precious principles of constitutional government which lie at the heart of our nation”. That was read as a reassurance that he would not speak out when he disagrees with the government. But it may also be a threat that he would.”

They’re hoping an unelected monarch will somehow come to their rescue, put a stop to all these nonsensical government decisions and set things straight on the road to net zero (everything).

They should have stuck with the devil they knew instead of hounding him out.

Richard Page
Reply to  fretslider
September 17, 2022 5:02 am

The Guardian (and other left leaning media outlets) do enjoy vilifying people over the slightest thing – they have become new age puritans, and what is cancel culture other than a new form of ‘shunning’.

M Courtney
Reply to  fretslider
September 17, 2022 1:07 pm

He lied and lied again. Boris was the first PM to get a criminal charge held against him while in office. And he failed to get Brexit done – his only policy.

Truss is lucky to be following Boris. Just as May was lucky to be followed by Boris. As he is the worst PM in UK history.

Richard Page
Reply to  M Courtney
September 17, 2022 2:24 pm

Yep. Moral of the story – if you’re going to flagrantly breach Covid lockdown, do it in Durham and invite Angela Rayner! Metropolitan Police don’t have as good a sense of humour compared to Durham constabulary!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  fretslider
September 17, 2022 2:03 pm

Is Matthew Sinclair the same Matthew Sinclair who had a blog called Sinclairs Musings about 15 years ago?
If it is the same person and he hasn’t changed his views greatly then that augurs well as as far as remember it was highly sceptical, particularly about Ed Milliband in his role in DECC or whatever it was called back then.

Reply to  fretslider
September 18, 2022 11:13 am

“Well, a honeydew melon dropping to the floor registers 2.055 and a desk fan turned on at full power can register 2.855”

Not the first time I’ve seen this. And not the first time I’ve tried to get clarification on something, maybe you can help? The header for the column that reads 2.055 says “mm/s”, not Richter. I haven’t been able to find anything correlating Richter magnitude to mm/s. The referenced paper does not mention Richter anywhere.

That same list says a “capsule coffee machine” registers 3.991. RICHTER? I lived 40+ years in Southern California. There is NO coffee machine that would produce nearly a 4 on Richter scale. As a comparison, this 3.9 earthquake: was felt as far away as 100 miles. If a coffee machine could really register 3.991 Richter we would be hearing reports constantly.

2.055 is more than 2.0. Here’s a 2.0 in Archdale NC:
I don’t think a honeydew melon hitting the ground would receive news coverage, nor would it have the same reactions.

And yes, I know it’s logarithmic. Even so, the numbers in the mm/s column simply do not make sense as Richter measurements. I’m not understanding how we’re getting Richter from mm/s. Can someone please explain?

Richard Page
Reply to  TonyG
September 18, 2022 1:30 pm

MMS or ‘moment magnitude scale’ is what is usually used to record seismic shocks today although people (media) often use ‘Richter’ as a common term even though, strictly speaking, it’s incorrect. There are only minor differences between the various scales, usually differing only in the formulae used to derive final figures.

Reply to  Richard Page
September 18, 2022 2:56 pm

Richard, thank you for that explanation, I really do appreciate it!

Taking that back to the linked paper, I’m seeing that the “mm/s” is referring to velocity, however, not “moment magnitude scale” (mms). I think this is clear based on the definition of PPV (the header of that column) as “peak particle velocity” – again with mm/s meaning millimeters per second.

Looking closer I found this: “Finally, the local magnitude (M(L)) of an earthquake at 2.5 km depth that would produce comparable ground shaking to each scenario was determined.” – that column shows 1.5 for that value. Based on this I think 1.5 would be the equivalent magnitude, not 2.005.

If I am incorrect in my reading of this, please show me where.

Richard Page
Reply to  TonyG
September 18, 2022 6:41 pm

I’m having to go by what you’re posting, I’m afraid – I can’t seem to open the pdf. Peak particle velocity is the ground displacement distance of particles due to vibration at a frequency between 1-200 Hz. There is a direct correlation between MMS/Richter scale magnitude and ppv, and you can probably find a chart with a quick online search – the first one I saw measured ppv in inches per second with magnitude 0 equivalent to 0.91 inches/s, 1 equivalent to 5.8 inches/s and 2 equivalent to 36.6 inches/s. Hope that helps after the false start!

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
September 19, 2022 6:10 am

Delete ‘distance’ from the second sentence – I was tired when I posted; obviously it’s velocity not distance.

Reply to  Richard Page
September 19, 2022 6:47 am

I was unable to find anything linking magnitude to ppv before I asked previously, and that seems to have been a major point where I was not understanding. You have provided the missing piece – thank you!

September 17, 2022 3:30 am

My latest investigative report.

Dominion hides OSW threat to whales
By David Wojick

The beginning: Secrecy abounds around the monster offshore wind (OSW) project proposed by Dominion Energy. In this case it is all about the threat to the severely endangered North Atlantic Right Whales. I earlier reported on the big hidden whale study done by the US Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, which is doing the Environment Impact Assessment for this huge project. See

Digging into Dominion’s filing with BOEM I found something even worse. Dominion has done an actual threat assessment but it is 100% secret! This is outrageous.

Here is a bit of background so folks can dig for themselves. There is a lot to look at. BOEM has a separate website on this monster OSW project, which would be one of the world’s largest. The project is titled Costal Virginia Offshore Wind or CVOW. Dominion has submitted a large set of documents in what is called the Construction and Operations Plan or simply the COP. The COP is here:

There is a long main report plus 32 technical appendices. My endangered whales interest was immediately drawn to “Appendix R: Threatened and Endangered Species Review”. It is here:

I expected to get a discussion of the potential threats the project poses to the severely endangered North Atlantic Right Whale and what Dominion might do to minimize the adverse impact. I should also learn what other threatened and endangered species are involved, right Instead I just got a cover page bearing this notice: “Proprietary and Confidential Business Information Exempt from Public Disclosure“.

That is all there is to Appendix R. It is 100% secret. Even the number of pages is not disclosed, as it is with the other Appendices, that one can actually read. So the huge question is”What’s the secret?” What is so secret that every word has to be kept from the public?”

Lots more in the article. Please share it.

Save the whales from OSW!

Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 5:58 am

Do they know what the impacts might be? From a year ago…

“Addressing the effect of offshore wind farms on marine ecosystems

A new research programme has been launched to address the critical gap in understanding how marine ecosystems will respond to the continued growth of offshore wind farms.”

As with any green technology, no pilots or trials were ever carried out. Proponents of OSW will claim

“Offshore wind farms create ‘reef effect’ perfect for marine wildlife – especially seals”

See, It’s all good man.

Reply to  fretslider
September 17, 2022 10:21 am

Mariana Alves Pereira claims in the q&a section of this talk that the untrasonic vibration creates a desert around off shore wind farms.

A simple photo of the underwater pilons would answer the question of whether they form artificial reefs and a camera directed to the water surface on a control and functional pilon would pick up larger sea life in the surface water.

Reply to  fretslider
September 17, 2022 11:04 am

The reefs do not help the whales. It is likely that “wind versus whales” will get to the Supreme Court. This is a unique case because there are only about 350 right whales left in existence and they migrate up and down the coast twice a year. European OSW does not have this issue.

The greatest threat is forcing the whales into the active shipping lanes which are nearby.

Paul Wieland
Reply to  David Wojick
September 19, 2022 3:03 am

Reefs may have a beneficial aspect in that they attract shoaling fish, which of course will draw larger predators.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 6:09 am

“That is all there is to Appendix R. It is 100% secret. Even the number of pages is not disclosed, as it is with the other Appendices, that one can actually read. So the huge question is”What’s the secret?” What is so secret that every word has to be kept from the public?””

It must be something that would be detrimental to the project if made public, and a further guess would be it has something to do with the whales.

The Greens care more about windmills than they do about wildlife. If the wildlife has to suffer, so be it, they say.

william Johnston
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 7:45 am

First the people, then the wildlife. Who (what) is next?

Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 6:41 am

Dominion has done an actual threat assessment but it is 100% secret! 


Reply to  Redge
September 17, 2022 10:56 am

Agencies typically cannot release information claimed as business confidential or proprietary. That is likely an explicit FOIA exemption.

Dave Fair
Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 7:58 am

George Carlin said it all: “We’re so self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I’m tired of this shit.”
I, too, am tired of this shit. Plus all the other Leftist crap.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 17, 2022 9:46 am

The late George Carlin:

“Save the Planet — NOT”

Mr. Brian M Jolliffe
September 17, 2022 3:50 am

What continues to amaze me is the multiplicity of ways in which the claimed 1deg.C rise in average global annual temperature has allegedly affected the environment.
The reality is that this temperature rise represents a capacity of sensible heat that can be used once and is not available to raise the ocean’s surface water sensible heat, to provide latent heat in vaporising ocean water and heat of fusion to melt ice, in perpetuity. In summary, the temperature rise can be used once, to do otherwise is to indulge in creative accounting, akin to boiling a kettle in 1880 and to still be using it to provide hot water today.

September 17, 2022 4:02 am

For the last few winters some of the links in the Great Lakes section of the Sea Ice Page have not worked. Would it be possible to get all the links back working again for when next winter arrives?

Richard Page
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 17, 2022 5:03 am

Frozen shut?

Barrie Etherington
September 17, 2022 4:48 am

Has anyone read this article? I am interested in the author’s opinion and wondered how the original “97% of scientists” consensus claim compares under same scrutiny.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Barrie Etherington
September 17, 2022 9:45 am

Look, the alarmist scientists are also keepers of the global temperature records which they have egregiously altered to fit CO2 rise. Here is an example, far away from USA where they can cook the books with impunity: Capetown South Africa. Compare the raw data (which looks almost identical to USA’s raw temperature chart)

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And here is what GISS did to it:

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Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 17, 2022 10:44 am

Can you post a link to the source of these graphs?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  bdgwx
September 17, 2022 3:23 pm

They were published some years ago on WUWT, but here is a link to the article by the author (the late) Philip Lloyd, a South African geophysicist I think.

Sorry, I neglected to attribute it in my comment.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 17, 2022 6:00 pm

Got it. Thanks. That data is from GHCNv3. The 14168816 station in v3 is a composite of two stations SFM00068816 at the international airport and SFXLT658717 at the astronomical observatory. The stitch occurred circa 1960 which resulted in a very large changepoint due to the 112 meter increase in elevation.

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Here is what the continuous record at the astronomical observatory looks like.

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September 17, 2022 5:09 am

Ref: EPA Endangerment Finding’s Technical Support Document (TSD).
Am I correct in assuming that the logic used to demonize CO2 as a pollutant, with respect to the EPA TSD, is still sealed and not public?

Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 17, 2022 5:30 am

There’s no logic to demonizing CO2.

Reply to  beng135
September 17, 2022 5:45 am

Agree, but the EPA IG said this about their logic … “the review results and
EPA’s response were not publicly reported …” In other words their ill-logic is still sealed — unless someone has since opened that envelope.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 17, 2022 5:49 am

First I have heard of anything being sealed. EPA cited the IPCC. We sued saying they had to do their own assessment (which we could then challenge) but the Court ruled that EPA did not have to “reinvent the wheel”. I think anything sealed would have been open to the litigants.

Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 5:56 am

Understand … but then what does the IG comment “not publicaly reported” refer too? Is it now public and where can it be found?

Reply to  David Wojick
September 17, 2022 5:58 am

Can you clarify this comment … “The EPA did not release the findings supporting its Technical Support Document (TSD), as is required by law. Instead, it has kept them secret.” which is found here in this WUWT post …

September 17, 2022 5:28 am

An interesting energy-issue site:

Reply to  beng135
September 17, 2022 6:54 am

Still wanting/needing the one true definition of TOA.
Or several if we include true and radiative.
Lots of experts very few prepared to put up a definition to talk about that agrees with the science.

Dave Fair
Reply to  angech
September 17, 2022 4:01 pm

Who cares? Pick your own definition, angech, and have fun with it.

Doug Huffman
September 17, 2022 6:11 am

Electric Vehicle experience. Milady Wife and I are just home after ~400 miles ‘bicycling’ the coast of Wisconsin. She is 83 y.o. and has had electrical assist on her recumbent trike for four years now. Recently she purchased a new 48 VDC battery for the new battery capacity for our trip.

Two days ago she charged as part of daily touring routine, during which she moved the charger from one 15 Amp convenience outlet to another. On plugging it back in, the charger failed and killed the battery charge controller.

So I raced home 12.15 MPH average for three hours and fetched her and her bike home in the diesel car.

Beyond the complexities of an EV there is also the fragility of the required equipment.

Steve Case
September 17, 2022 6:21 am

To be sure, ESG has been covered in WUWT articles prior to these two:

ESG and the Rise of Woke Capitalism – Craig Rucker

Another Bad Day at Black Rock

There’s two important points:

    Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street and probably more to follow
    are not following the spirit of their fiduciary responsibilities.

   What’s going on represents the sinister take over of Wall Street by
   a left-wing socialist/communist world-wide dominion. And that’s the
   important one.

The left has successfully infiltrated most other western institutions; the media news and entertainment, education public and private, Most of the judiciary, Many large corporations, The Catholic church, The FBI. There’s not much left except the financial world and Wall Street. Think of the “Eye on the Prize” movements.

We are on track to a world where only one view point is permitted.
George Orwell had it right.

Reply to  Steve Case
September 17, 2022 8:56 am

TRUMP! re elected president.

TRUMP! and congress put new members on the Securities and Exchange Commission.

New board fires any “investigator” who has been going after conservative companies for WHATEVER reason without results.

New investigators go after EVERY major corporation that has not looked out for the best interest of the shareholders, to include requiring them to prove that having their headquarters in EXPENSIVE cities is somehow justified. The intent of this is to make them move their corporate headquarters to less expensive areas, like Alabama or the boarder areas of Texas and Mexico.

Also require the boards to justify their ownership of luxury boxes for sports teams, season tickets to expensive cultural centers, etc.

Require justification of donations to non profits like BLM, etc.

After the dust settles, the board members and CEOs should have been fined substantially and such fines paid out of their own pockets, as well as all incurred legal costs to the “corporations”.

Steve Case
Reply to  Drake
September 17, 2022 9:57 am

Draconian, but I like the spirit (-:

Janice Moore
Reply to  Drake
September 17, 2022 10:22 am

TRUMP! 2024

He WILL win — Mark and Yolanda Robinson and wide-awake blacks and other minorities will make it happen.

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Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 6:23 am

It’s time for major reform of all Executive Branch Agencies in the United States.

When Republicans take control of the U.S.House in January, the first thing they should do after throwing all the corrupt Clinton-Obama-Biden radical Democrats in jail, is to reform the bloated, overbearing federal agencies that are plaguing the U.S. population, starting with the EPA.

Another area of reform should be the rescinding of the hiring of 87,000 new IRS agents, along with disarming federal agencies that don’t need to be armed. For some reason every government agency is arming themselves to the teeth. The light of day should be shown on this potential threat to individual freedoms.

There are many other areas that need reforming, too.

Let’s hope we get lucky and the Republicans get put in a postion where they can stop the radical Democrat madness, and will take appropriate action to do so. If that happens, we will be in good shape.

Get out and vote and vote those radical Democrats out of power.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 7:03 am

The first step on the right path would be to shut down the UN offices in the US. Send the entire mob to Zimbabwe. They could do with the additional income. And it would give UN staffers a taste of the real world rather than their current cosseted existence.

The fix for DC is require the place to be 100% ‘renewable” and shut off all interconnections with other jurisdictions. Let them prove the validity of Nut Zero on their own turf.

Reply to  RickWill
September 17, 2022 10:45 am

What did Zimbabwe do to deserve the UN being foisted onto it?
I would suggest S. Georgia.

Richard Page
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 17, 2022 12:34 pm

I vote for Venezuela!

Reply to  Oldseadog
September 17, 2022 6:29 pm

Iran. Though N. Korea could be a good spot.

Steve Case
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 7:06 am

When Republicans take control of the U.S.House in January…

Ha ha ha ha! Democrats have figured out how to stuff the ballot boxes, and they will be doing it again 2022.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 9:06 am

How to terminate the 87,000 now IRS agents, eliminate the Income tax and 99% of the IRS by implementing the Fair Tax.

The Fair Tax gets the government out of every individual’s and corporation’s finances as related to income, eliminated EVERY tax deduction, AND credit, to include all the Green subsidies, and sets a national sales tax to replace the revenues from the income tax, Social Security taxes AND Medicare taxes.

It also deletes the need for BILLIONS of dollars spent on overhead from individuals and businesses to meet the legal and financial burden of filing tax returns, creating tax deferred accounts, etc. Now states that have income taxes will be put in a tough position re still requiring these expensive services, and Corporations who fail to relocate from income tax states to those without income taxes, would be up for investigation by the SEC for failure to meet their responsibility to shareholders,

Reply to  Drake
September 18, 2022 6:39 am

So fed and local taxes will be strictly additive, no exception?
That would be fun!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Drake
September 18, 2022 10:43 am

Those 87,000 IRS employees will have to go on welfare if they are terminated.

Richard M
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 9:19 am

They will need a super majority to override a Biden veto and the filibuster. That’s never going to happen with the current media influence.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 17, 2022 3:51 pm

I hope a lot of new boilerplate laws are enacted to enshrine abundant cheap energy as part of national security in law as well as to protect the Constitution, review the charitable institution criteria and decertify and possibly punish those who engaged in funding sedition, circumvention of laws, acting as undeclared foreign agents and received corporate crony “welfare” from political friends in power. A lot of crimes have been committed that need attending to.

When Hillary took pride in publishing her income tx papers, which showed she had ‘earned’ $105 million in one year without a job outside of government, I was truly blown away. Congress used to query organized crime bosses who earned 5% of that figure, concluding it was ill gotten gains! 10% for the Big Guy was piker’s loose change in comparison.

September 17, 2022 6:51 am

This is something I put together to see how well sunlight correlates with recorded surface temperature:!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNhG4gM4gmzW9MS07d

Reply to  RickWill
September 17, 2022 9:07 am

100 to 500 “EMR” on your y-axis doesn’t seem right if EMR is only SW at TOA…as cos(zenith) changes 23.5 degrees through the year, the ocean surface temp is going to vary and it’s interesting that it takes 2 months for the bulk surface to warm up or cool down. Of course daily SST variation are not going to show at this scale….

Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 17, 2022 3:29 pm

The geometry is not simple. Remember that the South Pole currently gets the highest daily sunshine in any year.

I do my own calculations but this web based calculator is easy to use:

Michael in Dublin
September 17, 2022 8:12 am

This headline appeared about South Africa’s electricity supply utility:
Inside Eskom’s week from hell – fires, broken conveyors and disaster as 50% of generation capacity fails

In the week between 3 and 11 September, 45 units at Eskom power stations failed, equaling roughly half of the power utility’s generation capacity.

Follow this the South African president is visiting the USA/UK to beg for money for their renewables progamme. In the meeting President Biden announced millions in funding – he seems to have a endless supply of money to hand out – aimed at accelerating the phasing out of coal-fired power generation in South Africa.”

I predict that if the South African government cannot get their electricity utility to function properly that all moneys received for a transition to renewables will end up going into a black hole.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 17, 2022 10:55 am

The deal is that wealthy nations (US, UK, Germany, France and European Union) will provide $8.5 billion for South Africa to help reduce its dependence on coal” but there is all sorts of wrangling about who is going to give what. Meanwhile those hoping to get the money in South Africa are like vultures fighting among themselves who is going to get the best morsels.

If this continues climate folly is going to lead to climate wars with deaths that will dwarf those of the Russia/Ukraine war.

Russell Cook
September 17, 2022 8:13 am

For those of you who are U.S. residents, have you ever emailed, or interacted in any way via social media, with climate scientists, right-wing-think tanks, climate issue website administrators, or businesses connected in any manner to those individuals, or with other people who even resemble the above descriptions, who do not accept the settled Clima-Change™ science orthodoxy as mandated by the Biden Administration, the IPCC, Al Gore, and the mainstream media? If so, prepare for confiscation of all your smartphones, computers, and related electronic record-keeping devices. Obey.

AmericanThinker, 9/16/22: “With the FBI seizing phones and computers, Congress should act

… Congress should pass a law mandating that the FBI, which is probably copying the hard drives the moment it has these phones and computers in its possession, must return the seized electronics to their users within a reasonable — and that would be very short — period of time. … If you agree, contact your congresscritters and ask them to make this a priority. It’s a simple idea that could be part of a one-page bill that gets passed and instantly signed into law. Moreover, it’s not just for the benefit of those whom the FBI is persecuting. This is the kind of bill that protects all Americans because it’s the rare person today who isn’t dependent on electronic devices.

September 17, 2022 8:29 am

John Kerry trying to influence our monarchy.

Reply to  JohnC
September 17, 2022 11:23 am

I’m not sure John Kerry could influence a preschool to take recess.

To me, it just seems everything he says comes out as really doofus.

September 17, 2022 8:46 am
Reply to  Tom.1
September 17, 2022 9:19 am

I’m guessing stores and management continue on as before, but management can now foresee significant saving in inheritance taxes which they can bonus out to themselves….

September 17, 2022 9:07 am

My co-authors and I published almost every important fact on the Climate scam in 2002 (below).
To my knowledge, we have the best (earliest and most accurate) predictive track record on the entire Climate-And-Green-Energy story. The Climate and Green Energy scam was never about the climate – it was always about destroying the economy to bring about the Brave New World of Global Fascism.
“You will own nothing and you’ll be happy”. -World Economic Forum
This green scam is now at least 50 years in the making, since ~1970. Richard Lindzen of MIT has been publicly questioning the Global Warming false narrative since the 1990’s. Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, was warning about the Green scam since the mid-1990’s’. I knew that dangerous manmade global warming was a false narrative since ~1985, but studied it for 17 years before co-authoring my first paper in 2002.
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
– by Sallie Baliunas (Harvard-Smithsonian) , Tim Patterson (Carleton), MacRae (Queen’s, Alberta)
I PUBLISHED ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2002 in the Calgary Herald:
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
British Undersecretary for Energy and Climate Change, 31Oct2013
By Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy” schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful prediction (or “projection”) of global temperature and thus have no scientific credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.
See and my papers listed therein for proof.

By Allan MacRae, 28July2022
We predicted it in 2002 and 2013 – it was all terribly costly – in dollars and lives – and all entirely avoidable.
A willful squandering of the lives of innocents.
Crimes against humanity.
Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., Calgary

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 17, 2022 9:34 am

Further, 16 excess deaths per 100,000 doses associated with boosters in New Zealand according to this analysis.

Reply to  Scissor
September 17, 2022 12:50 pm

[snip, you know why-mod]

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 17, 2022 3:43 pm

We all know why. That’s what WUWT does.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 17, 2022 4:48 pm

Mod: I have only ever been censored for allegedly being “off-topic”.

My reply to Scissor was ON-topic and this is the most important topic in our civilization at this time. I’ve done ~5000 hours work on Covid-19 and have one of the best, if not THE best, predictive track records on the Covid-19 lockdowns and toxic “vaccines”. For proof see

I suggest your snip is “highly inappropriate”.

Most people, including most people who read Wattsup, do not fully understand how genocidal the Covid-19 lockdowns and vaccines truly are.

More American millennials (age 18-45) have now died from the toxic Covid-19 injections than from the Vietnam War,

You are being culled, and it’s no accident.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 18, 2022 10:18 am

My reply to Scissor below was added when this comment also disappeared – for a while.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
September 18, 2022 1:14 pm

What a hypocrite you are Charles Rotter.

You are not in the least interested in science or freedom of expression..

You are only interested in the WUWT point of view.

WUWT is a lukewarmist website that uses its lukewarmism to gain a foothold in the CAGW debate.

WUWT has no more evidence for its belief in the minimal effect of the GHE than does the CAGWers belief in the catastrophic effects of the GHE.

You are both sophists.

Shame on you.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
September 18, 2022 2:28 pm

You have zero insight into my thought processes or reasons for decision making.

I keep it close to the vest.

In what episode of Kung Fu did Kwai-Chang Caine say that because I have the Box Set?

Reply to  Charles Rotter
September 18, 2022 2:39 pm

So why do you allow Willis Eschenbach to SPAM us with countless posts about downwelling longwave or back radiation?

WE has not a shred of evidence to back his dodgy hypotheses yet you let him post with impunity.

Oh, I forgot, Allan MacRae is a scientist and WE is not.

Forgot there for a moment.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 18, 2022 2:45 pm

You are being snipped, Allan, I am being moderated.

Bit like the Guardian.

Reply to  Scissor
September 18, 2022 7:38 am

Hi Scissor,
My reply to you was on-topic but long. You raised the most important topic in our civilization at this time. I’ve done ~5000 hours work on Covid-19 and have one of the best, if not THE best, predictive track records on the Covid-19 lockdowns and toxic “vaccines”. I spotted the Covid-19 scam and published on 21Mar2020 here on wattsup. I advised governments and media to NOT deploy the toxic Covid-19 “vaccines” on 8Jan2021. Not an anti-vaxxer, but I’m leaning that way – trust is gone.
Most people, including many who read Wattsup, do not fully understand how genocidal the Covid-19 lockdowns and vaccines truly are.
More American millennials (age 18-45) have now died from the toxic Covid-19 injections than from the Vietnam War. For proof see
We are being culled, and it’s no accident.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 18, 2022 2:12 pm

If we are going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, why would they bother with a vaccine at all. If the objective was to cull the population, the vaccine does not make sense. Before the vaccines the mortality rate for over 80,s was about 20%. The vaccine slashed that. Maybe if I was complete conspiracy theory nut job, I would think they released the vaccine to slow down the cull so we didn’t become suspicious that this is a man made virus designed to get rid of the useless eaters.

Reply to  Simonsays
September 18, 2022 4:28 pm

Simon – your assumptions are wrong.
The total all-cause death rates for all ages jumped in 2021 AFTER the toxic “vaccines” were deployed.
The original Covid-19 alpha virus was only fatal to the very old and infirm – average age of Covid-19 deaths in Alberta in 2020 was 82, Do you still not understand?
A five-day treatment with Ivermectin would have cured most cases but was disallowed.
The Covid-19 “vaccines” did not work at all, except possible for the alpha strain, which is long extinct.
IF you are inclined to become informed, read
“Conspiracy Theories” just don’t last as long as they used to. Now they mutate into Real Conspiracies in mere days or weeks.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 18, 2022 4:52 pm

This note just arrived. I called this Covid-19 lockdown scam correctly on 21Mar2020 and advised governments and media to NOT deploy the toxic Covid-19 “vaccines” on 8Jan2021. I reiterated many times to NOT inject children, who are at NO risk of death from Covid-19.
A slaughter of innocents by those who were fully informed to NOT proceed.
I already knew this would happen, but I’m still upset. Killing babies and children, for Christ’s sake! I told you so! I told you so! I told you so!

See for proof.
By The Exposé On September 18, 2022
An exclusive investigation carried out by the team here at The Exposé has forced the European Union’s official statistics department to begin a Europe-wide investigation into why there has been a significant increase in excess deaths among children aged 0 to 14 since the European Medicines Agency approved the Covid-19 injection for children.
On the 29th of August 2022, we exclusively revealed that official mortality figures for Europe showed a shocking 691% increase in excess deaths among children up to week 33 of 2022 since the European Medicines Agency extended the emergency use authorisation of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for use in children aged 12 to 15 in May 2021.
Before this decision by the European Medicines Agency, deaths among children in 2021 were below the expected rate. But following the emergency use authorisation, we discovered that excess deaths among children had risen by a deeply troubling 1,599% by the end of the year compared to the 2017 to 2020 average.

Reply to  Scissor
September 19, 2022 5:40 am

Hi Scissor,
I’ve updated some of the new Covid-19 evidence here:
SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT – The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence. (
This paper is long since I keep adding new evidence about the Covid-19 scam.
Some very smart people have labelled them “bioweapons”. The evidence supports that allegation. Cheap and effective cures have been banned. Expensive, toxic and ineffective “vaccines’ have been press-ganged on us all.
No rational individual or group could be this obtuse, this wrong for this long – the slaughter appears to be deliberate.
Best regards, Allan

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 17, 2022 8:45 pm

Always good to see your posts Allan. I’ve also been worried about our climate cooling for some years now, and, let’s face it, Canada is the worst positioned of any Northern nation, politically, economically, mentally, and especially, in terms of self-sufficiency, to face such a threat. If I could cure my wife of her love for Montreal, we’d be back in the Rockies in a flash.

But I’m just thinking of a good place to die. Do you think Alberta has a chance to survive a little ice age on its own>? Or is that too much to hope?

Reply to  otropogo
September 17, 2022 10:31 pm

Hi Otro.

Osoyoos BC is the warmest place in Canada – rarely gets any snow. However, it tends to be smoky from forest fires in the summer.

There is lots of natural gas in Alberta and BC so I think we can survive a Little Ice Age just fine. Quebec is more vulnerable due to ice storms that can pull down the power lines.

I was born in Montreal and then it was the business capital of Canada.
I left in 1967 when it was apparent that Quebec would be focusing on language-based racist bigotry – and it has not disappointed – Quebec has pursued parasitic political nonsense for generations and shows no sign of stopping.

All the English-speaking brains, money and head-offices moved out of Quebec in the 1970’s and 1980’s, making Toronto the new center of Canadian business.

Canada would be so much better-off if we had accepted Quebec’s alleged desire to separate from Canada decades ago. Quebec’s endemic political corruption has harmed Canada economically and politically over one hundred years.

One dares not write these truths in Canada since it is anathema to our National Religion – but it is all obvious and true. Apologies for the rant… 🙂

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 18, 2022 7:29 pm

Long before I moved here almost a decade ago, I already felt the same way as you about Quebec’s negative effect on Canada’s political, economic, and legal systems. But now, from up close, I realize that it’s irreversible and imminently terminal.

I think Alberta’s only hope for survival as a society is to go it alone, and then work to persuade Saskatchewan, and maybe Eastern and Northern B.C., to join. If they can get that far, Cascadia becomes a real possibility.

Reply to  otropogo
September 19, 2022 4:31 am

Hi Otro,
Re the survival of Alberta:
Canada (mostly Alberta) is the 4th largest oil producer in the world and the largest foreign supplier of oil to the USA. Our leadership is so clueless that I bet not one of our current provincial representatives knows how that was accomplished. That story is told in a comment here:
Savage: Sovereignty Act could be as harmful as the Trudeau government | Edmonton Journal
Albertans continue to be vilified and robbed of billions by Ottawa, Quebec, etc. – a total of about $1 trillion, or $1 million per Alberta family-of-four since 1961 (Robert Mansell, U of Calgary).
Alberta has enormous power, yet our politicians, who seem to be “bought” by Eastern and foreign interests, don’t do anything significant to improve our economy. Our politicians talk tough to Ottawa at election time but then get elected and hide under a rock – getting paid to do nothing.
Alberta’s energy industry IS the primary economic engine of Canada and yet we act like we are some poor welfare state.
Our governments at all levels have sleep-walked through a decade of economic sabotage by corrupt green groups, who were bribed with $1.3 billion of foreign money to oppose much-needed pipelines and have cost us $200 billion in lost oil revenues. Most of the gains we made in the 1980’s and 1990’s have been damaged or destroyed by corrupt and foolish politicians at the federal and provincial levels.
Alberta is the reason Canada still has a functioning economy, despite all the efforts of countless phony-green scoundrels and imbeciles to bring us down. If we had any competent leadership, we could solve our problems in a few weeks – we hold all the real economic power in Canada – it’s time we used it!
Again, another rant – must be the weather.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 19, 2022 3:55 pm


I’ve just spent more time than I want to count looking at Danielle’s poorly configured webpage about her proposed Sovereignty Act. I hate FAQs that deny an option to “open all”, and especially those that don’t even let you open each separately and leave them open so you can copy the text. Reasonably honest writers will allow you to download the entire text in pdf or Word form. Hell, even the crooks in Ottawa will give you that!

I would add that I spent the better part of an hour opening, selecting, copying and pasting Danielle’s FAQs together, and I really don’t think it’s worth the effort. Where’s the damn draft of this proposed Act?

So you know that I’m not a blind follower of Danielle Smith, I think she’s exercised bad judgment in choosing her advisors. But who hasn’t? It seems that in Canadian politics, only the crooks are able to find sharp advisors.

That said, the article by Ms Savage stands reality on its head. She writes:

 “Investors want certainty and predictability. They want to know that places where they build and invest are stable and abide by the rule of law. They want to know that governments follow the law, don’t rip up contracts, and don’t interfere with the courts and law enforcement. They want to know that they are investing in a democracy, not a place where politicians can ignore the laws and the courts. “

It is to laugh!

Does Ms Savage really believe Albertans are soooo ignorant, or stupid, as to be unaware of the lawlessness of the Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance, the Clerk of the Privy Council and the Chief of the PMO in relentlessly cajoling and finally threatening the Minister of Justice to overturn the decision of the prosecutor in the SNC-Lavalin case?

Does she herself perhaps believe the then Justice Minister’s claim that “no offense was committed” was anything but a desperate and pathetic ploy to get back into the good graces of the very people who had set her up to be the “fall-guy” in the case?

Does she believe the spectacle of several retired Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada lining up with their hands out to offer their rationization skills to these criminal conspirators is evidence of the political, social, and legal stability international investors seek?

The entire political and legal communities of Canada should have called out for prosecution of this indictable offense, to which the offenders freely and publicly admitted. But no, the cabinet and the government MPs applauded this crime “for the common good”. And even the so called opposition lacked the moral fibre to insist on a criminal prosecution.

I can’t imagine anything worse Ms Smith and her Sovereignty Act could possibly do to Albertans than what the Parliament of Canada has already done to our national “stability”. It’s the stability of willing slaves, who, when the master says “jump”, jump. And when the master says “black is white”, so be it.

Ms Savage’s rant is nothing but an ad hominem attack on a conservative leadership candidate her masters fear. She claims to describe the Sovereignty Act of Ms Smith ‘in a nutshell’, but there is nothing in this shell she offers, except the limitless hypocrisy we have come to expect from politicians.

Reply to  otropogo
September 19, 2022 4:21 pm

I agree Otro,
I realized years ago that there is no real Rule of Law in Canada – it’s a charade, with Judges and Justices including the Supreme Court of Canada just “making it up as they go”.
The outrageous persecution of the legal, peaceful truckers convoy protest in Ottawa proves my point. Ottawa falsely criminalized a peaceful demonstration that embarrassed and frightened Li’l Fidel. Legally, Canada is a banana republic.
Reminds me of something that happened in Washington on Jan.6: “an apprehended insurrection? Give me a break – the average Texas Friday night bar fight is a greater threat to the Union.
Our governments routinely manufacture phony crises to stampede the sheep: Global Warming aka Climate Change, Covid Lockdowns and “Vaccines”, the Ottawa Truckers Convoy “crisis”, the Washington Jan.6 “insurrection”- be very afraid!!!

Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 19, 2022 10:03 pm

I somewhat agree, Allan. More so with your first and last paragraphs. But having an expansionist Turkey in Nato and being dependent on Saudi Royals worries me quite a bit more than congressional shenanigans .

Reply to  otropogo
September 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Hi Otro,
No opinion on Turkey, except at Thanksgiving (positive).
Are you concerned about being dependent on Saudi for energy? I am less so. Shale fracking for natural gas and oil seems to be an economic new source, provided prices stay reasonably high. USA shale oil production has been up, down and up again, dependent on price – not my expertise but there seems to be lots of resource globally – production depends on price.
Canada (mostly Alberta) is still the 4th largest oil producer in the world – mostly from the Alberta oil sands. Our idiot provincial and federal politicians sabotaged oil sands growth over a decade ago, killing the major incentives that I primarily initiated in the 1980s’s and 1990’s, including: New Tax terms, New Crown Royalty terms, and huge reductions in operating cost per barrel.
For details, see my comments here:
Savage: Sovereignty Act could be as harmful as the Trudeau government | Edmonton Journal
Our oil and gas is also being shut in by anti-pipeline campaigns financed by over $1 billion in foreign (mostly USA) money. Our governments have squandered our wealth through astonishing incompetence and corruption, but it should be easy to reverse and restart growth. Alberta essentially holds all the real economic power in Canada – our energy industry is the backbone of the national economy. It’s just that we elect some of the most spineless politicians on the planet – we hope that will soon change.

In summary, i think that USA shale oil and gas and Canadian shale gas and Alberta oil sands could provide North America with the energy we need. With competent leadership (hah!) in the USA and Canada, we would have energy security.

September 17, 2022 9:33 am

The Evaporation of Water.
17/8/22 Alasdair Fairbairn
For some time I’ve been delving into the Evaporation Process in Water which occurs at Constant Temperature. (see phase diagram).
The empirical equation to be found on the Engineering Toolbox site, reveals that the RATE of evaporation is a function of the difference between the prevailing Vapour and Partial pressures.
[Note: The site equation equates these to humidity values but IMO? this is equivalent but expressed in pressure].
***The graph below traces these pressures where it will be noted that the Partial pressure ceases to rise at around the temperature of 30Deg.C; but the Vapour pressure rapidly increases! resulting in a very rapid increase in the RATE of evaporation. Should I had extended the graph to include 100deg.C the the Difference would have been very large (circa 9.9 psi) and result in boiling at that temperature.
Other graphs (not included here) show that the difference in pressure starts to become significant at around 22deg,C and rises more quickly thereafter. 
It appears that what is happening here is that the incoming solar radiation is being swamped by this evaporative absorption and is prevented from increasing the sea surface temperature any further; thus giving rise to a maximum temperature for sea surfaces generally.
From observations it appears that this circa 30Deg.C crops up regularly, like some magical figure. For instance the Oceans appear to have a maximum surface temperature of 30Deg.C but with much higher temperatures occurring over land where there a lack of available water to hand. (Witness Death Valley.) However as the Oceans comprise some 72% of the Earth’s surface and taking into account the plant water/atmosphere interface is seems that there is a considerable constraint on how far the global temperature can rise.
Statistically the global temperature is around 15 or so Deg.C which is consistent with a maximum temperature of around this 30degC, depending on any skew factor.

We also have the evolutionary situation where animals tend to have body temperatures of around 8 or 9 degC above this 30 figure which is probably the optimum for survival depending on the species. (humans 36.5, chickens 42, cattle 38.5, sheep 39, with birds tending to be higher.)
The variability of this 30 figure is probably due (my guess) to the large number of other variables involved in the process; not least of which is the buoyancy factor in the high volume Vapor produced.
It is this buoyancy that produces the Hydrological Cycle which drives Latent Heat UP through the atmosphere for dissipation in the clouds and to space. This done alongside any radiation energy movement. A major Global Energy balancing system??
I would be very grateful for any constructive comments on this.
 Regards to all Alasdair Fairbairn

*** 🤭 😤 Sorry I seem unable to include the graph here. Hopefully the description will explain sufficiently. 🤞 🤞

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Alasdair
September 17, 2022 10:55 am

Oddly enough, 30°C is the temperature at which the cooling towers of power stations work..
OMG, Is 30 = the new 42? Too far removed from 97 😀

Reply to  Alasdair
September 17, 2022 6:03 pm

I would be very grateful for any constructive comments on this.

 Regards to all Alasdair Fairbairn

The ocean limit of 30C is more complicated than just evaporation.

The ocean limit is due to the persistence of clouds that reflect and block sunlight from reaching the surface.

The reason for that is that the level of free convection is very close to freezing altitude when surface is at 30C.

The ability of the atmosphere to partition into a free convecting zone below the LFC and a de-humidifying zone above the LFC is the most important feature of Earth’s atmosphere that enables clear sky over water. If an LFC did not form then clouds would be ever present over water as the air saturated. It is impossible for the air column to be completely saturated and perpetually stable because water is condensing or solidifying above the LFC.

The process is explained here:

Depending on where you live and time of year you can see the transition in the cloud formation. Below 12C, the clouds are low and dull. Above 15C the clouds begin to “pop”. They look lively. Attached is cloud over 14C water. They are just starting to pop.

That pop indicates convective instability and is created by the ability to partition. The popping is when the instability occurs.

Between 15C and 22C the popping does not fully saturate the dehumidifying zone so that process alone does not create rain. Above 22C, the atmosphere can fully saturate and the instability causes cloudburst. The higher the base column temperature, the more intense the instability. Open water cannot get warmer than 30C so the cloudburst does not usually result in hailstones. Over land, where the base temperature can be higher than 30C, the cloudburst can create large hailstones.

Reply to  RickWill
September 17, 2022 6:07 pm

I have produced a chart of relative humidity versus surface temperature that makes my point about the transition from about 12C.

The data that this is based on is monthly so there are some absurd aspects like RH higher than 100% for the entire month. Also the satellite monitoring loses accuracy with persistent cloud meaning the observed moisture above 27C is going to be lower than actual. The rise in RH above 27C should be greater than shown.

September 17, 2022 10:17 am

Global Warming fashion…
Lululemon is a climate polluter, one day, says…
And a big environment savior the next!
– – – – – – – – –

Hundreds of yoga teachers call out lululemon over coal-powered factories
Climate campaigners say pollution from multibillion-dollar clothing company’s production is inconsistent with its ethical branding

Lululemon billionaire Chip Wilson gives record $100 million donation to BC Parks Foundation
“It’s our hope that this gift will mark a major change in B.C.’s efforts to protect its incredible natural wealth.” Chip Wilson.

John VC
September 17, 2022 10:48 am

Probably well out of the discussion, but I’m curious.

Here in Texas we see a lot of wind turbine blades being hauled down the highway, Over the years the rigs just seem to keep getting longer. The other day I watched a train hauling blades–a first for me. Goggle tells me that a typical rail flatbed can be 60, or 89 feet long not including the couplers. These blades were about 2-1/2 cars in length. Are we really building wind generators with blades 150-200 feet in length?? These blades also had projections along one of the edges where the blade thins down. Don’t know if it is the leading edge or trailing edge. Probably 30 or so, about (my guess) about 9-12 inches long. If it is the leading edge, could they be intended to make the bird chopping more efficient??

Reply to  John VC
September 17, 2022 11:34 am

Land-based wind turbines are getting ever bigger. When Vestas opened its blade factories in Colorado they almost immediately started modifying fixturing for blade manufacture in order to accommodate production of larger blades than those for which the plants were designed.

Richard Page
Reply to  John VC
September 17, 2022 12:45 pm

I would say that the thinner edge would be the trailing edge and the little projections would be the vanes of vortex generators. I’ve seen vortex generators on aircraft and they make the wings far more efficient – I wasn’t aware that they do the same on turbine blades until I looked it up. Well spotted and thank you for bringing it up.

Richard Page
Reply to  John VC
September 17, 2022 1:07 pm

On a second look, the vortex generators are likely to be found built into the ‘wing’ of the blade – those projections may be mini gurney flaps, or wickerbills; devices that also help to increase the efficiency of the turbine blade going through the air.

Steve Case
Reply to  John VC
September 17, 2022 9:51 pm

Time for this one:

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Paul Stevens
September 17, 2022 11:14 am

I wonder what Netflix is going to do after the woke start Twitter Mobbing them because they are showing old reruns where there is no introduction of acceptable pronouns for the characters? Do they edit the material and try to sneak the preference in? And then alter all the dialogue so the correct pronoun is used whenever a character is referenced? Or does netflix simply remove all of the inappropriate trigger-loaded programs? Maybe put trigger warnings in front of each scene. And how come current affairs programs, when introducing their guests, don’t require their guests to announce their preferences? The offline media has a lot of distance to make up to get woke. Or maybe the media knows how many watchers will just be shutting them off if they actually start acting in the correct manner that Wokeness requires. Isn’t ignoring correct pronouns a microaggression, in this case repeated time and time again. No wonder folks of a certain age don’t watch conventional media. They can’t handle the emotional pain.

September 17, 2022 12:11 pm

There have been many complaints about the “science of Climate Change” and also the fact that every branch of science now produces papers of questionable results. Approximately 90% can’t be duplicated at least in Medicine.
It wasn’t always that way. I arrived at UCLA in 1973 and was fortunate to meet Dr Norman Simmons PHD. He was prof emeritus at the time. He graduated from Harvard Dental school and later studied under George Whipple an Nobel laurate(discovery of the cause of pernicious anemia ( lack of B12) who was the author of 300 critically acclaimed papers. Norm came to UCLA in 1950 and worked in a wooden barracks before the Med school was built.
In 1952 he was the first to isolate intact uncontaminated sample of DNA in the laboratory and that specimen was forwarded to a friend and investigator for Xray crystallography and later hydrating the specimen it was discovered to be a double helix. Watson and Crick described the structure from specimens derived from that work and of course got the Nobel Prize. They gave credit to Norm.
Later Norm was nominated for The Nobel Prize in 1972 for very sophisticated ground breaking work with proteins.
He later went on to do other work as well.
He was a true scientist!

Reply to  James Stagg
September 17, 2022 7:30 pm

“En Marche” (Macron’s party) talking heads claim he never changed course on nuclear fission (he did).

Macron was a full Hollande-ist, as such, he made a law limiting nameplate nuclear power in France and close two very well maintained reactors. I’m extremely disgusted.
I have no words.
Just typing those phrases is hard for me.

September 17, 2022 3:21 pm

Is WUWT a sceptical website or a lukewarmist website?

If WUWT is sceptical, what is it sceptical about?

If WUWT is lukewarmist, what evidence does it offer for that lukewarmism?

If WUWT is lukewarmist, what evidence does it offer that CAGW is false?

If WUWT is lukewarmist, what evidence does it offer that lukewarmism is true but CAGW is false?

In the opinion of WUWT, how does the evidence for lukewarmism differ from the evidence for CAGW?

Is WUWT saying Chicken Little is the wrong approach to climate change but, by being lukewarmist, WUWT is just chickening out?

Do you think certain article posters should be given free rein to promote climate sophistry, using addition and subtraction of power fluxes e.g. 100 W/M^2+ 25W/m^2= 125W/m^2?

Do you think WUWT should moderate for asking such questions?

Richard Page
Reply to  leitmotif
September 18, 2022 6:55 pm

WUWT is a good forum to discuss ideas; nothing more nothing less. If you have no critical thinking skills, cannot navigate your own way through the labyrinth of articles and posts without having your hand held then perhaps WUWT isn’t the place for you. WUWT can and does moderate the conspiracy theorists, the extremists, spambots and the more vicious of the troll species but after that, we’re on our own. Bye, bye dear, you won’t be missed.

September 17, 2022 3:45 pm
September 17, 2022 3:47 pm

Here’s a vid of a crane collapsing during a lift:

September 17, 2022 4:19 pm

Why NASA’s Artemis Has Fuel-Leak Problems That SpaceX Doesn’t | WSJ

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NASA’s Artemis I launch has been delayed twice because of problems with their main fuel: liquid hydrogen. It’s not a new one for the space agency. As NASA described it, “hydrogen is difficult to work with.”

Meanwhile, SpaceX has switched to methane for their Mars-bound Starship spacecraft.

WSJ explains why NASA still uses the leak-prone fuel.

Hydrogen is a b*tch

September 17, 2022 4:21 pm

Announcing, for the first time, a “tornado alarm” what will alert you 24/7 when the NWS determines you are in the direct path of a tornado or winds of 80+mph.

Unlike apps and weather radios, this will only awaken you for a truly dangerous situation. No shrieking alarms at 2am for 1″ hail.

More information is here:

September 17, 2022 7:13 pm

By the same logic we announce the university is closing-
A Canadian university cancels intramural hockey in the name of ‘equity’ (

September 17, 2022 11:02 pm

SE QLD…..Just had advice from my electricity supplier that my daily rate is to increase by 70% and my actual usage rate is to increase by 50%..

I’m forever grateful that renewables are enabling cheap energy for all of us.

Joseph Zorzin
September 18, 2022 5:58 am

“Decarbonizing the energy system by 2050 could save trillions”

Transitioning to a decarbonised energy system by around 2050 is expected to save the world at least $12 trillion, compared to continuing our current levels of fossil fuel use, according to a peer-reviewed study by Oxford University researchers, published in the journal Joule today.

total nonsense, of course

James Schrumpf
September 20, 2022 8:47 am

It would be nice if there were a software repository somewhere, like a GitHub for WUWT, where we could drop off bits of s/w we’ve written that people might want to play with. I don’t know much about those things at all, but the idea just popped into my head.

September 20, 2022 12:12 pm

France warms up to the idea of cutting e-cars charging points in case of cold weather:

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