Official portrait of Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese. By Australian Government link. Image modified

The Guardian Accuses the Woke Aussie Government of “Climate Denial”

Essay by Eric Worrall

The Aussie Government is in the middle of allocating billions of dollars for renewable grid extensions, and they just voted through a climate target with Green Party support. But no level of green piety can satisfy the true climate zealots.

Labor is sending mixed messages on energy – and some of it sounds like climate denial

Adam Morton
Mon 29 Aug 2022 03.30 AEST Last modified on Mon 29 Aug 2022 08.45 AEST

The release of vast new areas along the Australian coast for oil and gas exploration is undermining proclamations about creating a cleaner economy.

The Albanese government has a decision to make: does it want people to think it takes the climate crisis seriously? Because at the moment it’s sending mixed messages.

On one hand, it is telling a story of progress. Its ascent to power has, along with the rise of the teals and the Greens, reset the way the country thinks about dealing with the problem.

The 2030 national emissions reduction target (a 43% cut by 2030, compared with 2005) is not what the evidence says is needed or possible, but it is a step in the right direction. It is expected to soon be legislated, which if nothing else is a signal of intent.

But this is only part of the story. The other part is more familiar from the past nine years, and sounds a lot like climate denial.

It was on display last week when the resources minister, Madeleine King, announced the release of new areas along the Australian coast for the oil and gas industry to explore and potentially exploit.

It is, of course, true that Australian households and businesses use gas for heating, cooking and some electricity generation and high-temperature industrial processes. The message from King is that she sees no need to drive change away from that.

It is a different story in the east, where there is hardly any gas power in the grid, gas prices are ridiculous and the energy transition will be a straight jump from coal to renewable energy with backup.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/commentisfree/2022/aug/29/labor-is-sending-mixed-messages-on-energy-and-some-of-it-sounds-like-climate-denial

This kind of back stabbing is to be expected. Deep greens, like hardline communists, always end up denouncing each other, accusing each other of backsliding and lack of commitment. Frankly I’m surprised it took this long – it has been a few months since Anthony Albanese was elected as Australian Prime Minister.

Having said that, I’m not sure why Guardian journalist Adam Morton is so bothered by a little energy transition oil and gas exploration.

Aussie politicians claim government help will unleash $130 billion of private investment in energy storage and renewables. In 2020 Guardian journalist Adam Morton himself explained renewables would cost less than coal from 2030 onwards.

If this cost inversion occurs, there will be no longer be any need for governments to finance renewables and discourage fossil fuel use, people will flock to green energy of their own free will.

In the meantime people need fossil fuel. Surely even deep greens like Adam Morton don’t want people to suffer hardship and energy shortages, while we all wait for their glorious green energy revolution to kick in?

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Tom Halla
August 28, 2022 6:06 pm

The deep Greens want people freezing in the dark in a mud hut.

Stephen Mueller
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 28, 2022 7:21 pm

It won’t worry me Tom I grew up riding horses and shooting and trapping my food, duck, rabbit, fish and camping out by a fire while my food cooked etc,, I want the see the greens try and live
like that, it would be fun to watch.

H.R.
Reply to  Stephen Mueller
August 28, 2022 7:49 pm

From the article: But no level of green piety can satisfy the true climate zealots.”

So let’s give them what they want, eh Stephen?

Round up all the We Want Zero NOW! mob and send them on a one-way trip to Green Utopia®.

I’m sure there is a suitable patch of Oz large enough to hold them all that has some water and a bit of forest. Give ’em a few wind turbines and some solar panels and a few reels of cable as well as a battery electric bus or two. Send them all there and let them live out their dream.

Hey, you’ve lived without fossil fuels and electricity, Stephen. Why can’t they do it too?

Why should they wait on us dummies to catch up when they can have everything they want right now?

Send the greenies to Utopia® and the rest of Oz will catch up later.

ATheoK
Reply to  H.R.
August 29, 2022 6:26 am

I’m sure there is a suitable patch of Oz large enough to hold them all that has some water and a bit of forest. Give ’em a few wind turbines and some solar panels and a few reels of cable as well as a battery electric bus or two. Send them all there and let them live out their dream.”

Why curse Oz?
There are virtually uninhabited islands off of Alaska.

They can make friends with the indigenous wildlife, e.g. bears, learn to fish and hunt while enjoying an idyllic life…
If they really insist, they can remain vegan. If they don’t have kelp beds, I’m sure they can find plenty of seaweed on the beach after storms.

If they can’t buy pedal operated blenders, they can grind the seaweed on the beach rocks.

If they’re really silly, they can install solar arrays and wind towers. However, maintaining those renewable energy sources likely requires serious electrical and mechanical skills.

H.R.
Reply to  ATheoK
August 29, 2022 7:53 am

ATheoK: If they’re really silly, they can install solar arrays and wind towers. However, maintaining those renewable energy sources likely requires serious electrical and mechanical skills.”

I’m not cruel and I proposed giving them their Utopia® and the tech they advocate. It’s up to them to make use of it. They should be on their own, but I’d least give them a head start.

First thing up for them is to make tools to make the parts needed to install and maintain their tech. (ooooo… that’s a showstopper right there.)

What’s that you say? The only skills they possess are World Class angry whining, angry protesting, and virtue signaling? That’s their problem, not mine. I have a different skill set and a different idea of utopia.


Yeah, Alaska is not a bad suggestion. Loads of natural resources there. People have lived off the land there since forever. And no one can hear you scream.

AndyHce
Reply to  Stephen Mueller
August 28, 2022 10:03 pm

they disallow duck, rabbit, and fish — and fire.

Steve G
Reply to  AndyHce
August 29, 2022 1:31 am

Correct – no animal protein allowed. You must forage in he bush for plant based food only….and they will probably die from exposure, or by eating toxic plant material. .

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Steve G
August 29, 2022 4:25 am

id be telling them that the nettle bushes are great eating and showing em where to find em

ATheoK
Reply to  ozspeaksup
August 29, 2022 6:32 am

You mean leading them into a nettle patch and then having them hand harvest their own nettles?

Have them try fern roots and skunk cabbage too!

ATheoK
Reply to  Steve G
August 29, 2022 6:29 am

???
They’re going to count the squirrels in my woods or the rabbits in the fields?
Can they even count? Math tends not to be in their skill set.

OldGreyGuy
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 28, 2022 7:47 pm

> The deep Greens want people freezing in the dark in a mud hut.

Chewing raw stringy vegetables and dying of easily cured complaints that were defeated by medicines in the 20th century but which are no longer available as there is no power to run the factories to produce them.

Dennis
Reply to  OldGreyGuy
August 28, 2022 10:29 pm

In Australia now supported by the pale green Teal party masquerading as Independent MPs.

MarkH
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 29, 2022 5:46 pm

Like all Marxist systems, you can never be “woke” enough. You denounce those who oppose the issue of the day, then the ones who follow along are denounced the following day for not going far enough. It’s a Marxist purity spiral that always ends in a pile of skulls. This is now happening, at an increasing rate across almost all aspects of society, from science to education, politics, economics and even religion. A co-ordinated take over of all aspects of society by neo-Marxists (effectively technocrats), lead by the WEF. This has been in the works for decades and appears to be coming to a head. They have accelerated their plans, perhaps due to the election of Trump in ’16, which was not something they expected. This may be our only chance to prevent the developed world plunging into a collectivist (a technocratic authoritarian version this time) nightmare. They have moved too fast, and shown more of their hand than they wanted.

Live not by lies.

Edward Katz
August 28, 2022 6:08 pm

We should all remember that to The Guardian and all its compatriots, no matter how much is done and how much money is spent to solve the ostensible existential threat of the climate crisis, the crisis will continue to exist. Without it, what would would they have to write about?

Reply to  Edward Katz
August 28, 2022 6:51 pm

” Without it, what would would they have to write about?”
You could turn that around. Here is the Australian Government releasing large offshore areas for gas exploration. But it is never enough. What else would Eric have to write about?

So instead of writing about the new areas, he writes about a journalist in the Guardian.

Lrp
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:16 pm

Undermining proclamations is always fun.

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:29 pm

They should be releasing all of it.

b.nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:28 pm

I agree..

Australia has PLENTY on On-shore gas areas (like the UK does), that should be being used, rather than go to the extra expense of off-shore.

4 Eyes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 3:33 am

Unbelievably disingenuous

Dennis
Reply to  Edward Katz
August 28, 2022 10:31 pm

Often referred to in Australia as The Turnbull Times after the former centre-left PM who apparently encouraged The Guardian to establish an on line news website here.

Peter K
August 28, 2022 6:32 pm

Spend $130 billion on renewables and the return investment will be:-

A) Global temperature will be lowered by XC
B) Global CO2 will be reduced by Xppm,
C) Electricity costs will be reduced by X dollars.
D) It will make us feel warm and fuzzy. (except in the winter)

I am sure that Albo and the Greens have a similar ROI on paper in their business case submission to the banks.

AndyHce
Reply to  Peter K
August 28, 2022 10:05 pm

A, B, and C are backwards but you probably knew that.

ATheoK
Reply to  Peter K
August 29, 2022 6:37 am

Where X=0?

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Peter K
August 29, 2022 5:17 pm

‘Aussie politicians claim government help will unleash $130 billion of private investment in energy storage and renewables.”

I don’t think so. What world do these people live in. UK-EU-US know well with renewables having peaked in 2017 in Europe, Green power companies going broke by the dozens, with people rising up against high prices of power and fuel, which are proxies for absolutely everything else, with the “Policy-Caused” rampant inflation and the free-fall of economies around the world baked in and looming for several years, the Sri Lanka pilot study for what what a WEF world will look like,

No private investment! Why do investment bankers like BlackRock go after retirement savings for the Great Green Boondoggle? Start managing you own investment monies in Oz. You don’t seem to be protected by your own government like they are in the US and this 130B private investment is earmarked for you!

MarkH
Reply to  Peter K
August 29, 2022 5:52 pm

The banks are full ESG (Environment, Social, Governance) and SDG (Sustainable Development Goals) as pushed by the WEF, ROI is not even on the table for them. The money is all made up anyway. They are fully invested in the neo-Marxist transformation. They will transform the Earth into a Socialist Utopia, even if it destroys everyone (spoiler alert, it will).

JBP
August 28, 2022 6:54 pm

Huh. Shocked. Greenies are not restricting themselves to reasoning or logic.

markl
August 28, 2022 7:23 pm

“It is a different story in the east, where there is hardly any gas power in the grid, gas prices are ridiculous and the energy transition will be a straight jump from coal to renewable energy with backup.” Can you explain how this will happen please? I smell bullshit.

Reply to  markl
August 28, 2022 7:58 pm

Can you explain how this will happen please?”
It is happening now, successfully, in South Australia. Wind, solar, with gas backup as needed. They ditched coal.

Chip
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:14 pm

South Australia had more blackouts in June and is expected to see electricity prices potentially double over the next two years.

Successfully, you say? I think we define success differently.

Reply to  Chip
August 28, 2022 8:32 pm

“blackouts in June”?
People who were that way inclined talked up the possibility of blackouts. But did any actually happen?

electricity prices potentially double”
Here is the recent story on wholesale prices. SA had been the highest in the nation; now they are mid-range. Like other states, the Ukraine war spike hit. But SA fared better than the coal states.

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LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Again Nick leaves Western Australia and NT off the graph as benchmarks as they aren’t part of the national grid 🙂

Let me fix it for you SA is in the middle of really bad

Reply to  LdB
August 28, 2022 10:17 pm

WA has just ditched coal too.

b.nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:36 pm

WA current using around 400 MW from black coal.

Let’s not forget that they have one of the largest GAS (fossil fuel) reserves in the world !

LdB
Reply to  b.nice
August 29, 2022 12:09 am

^^^ THAT

ozspeaksup
Reply to  b.nice
August 29, 2022 4:29 am

and their govt mandated home supply be enforced

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 12:08 am

Yes we are replacing it with gas 🙂

We actually don’t have a lot of coal and that we do have is not good quality and it hasn’t been economic for a while. Not sure what any of that has to do with the post.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 8:58 am

Nick — Ukraine war spike? Was wind affected by the war? How about solar? Coal? Natural gas? If natural gas is currently being supplanted by unreliables why has gas prices made such a difference? Maybe because gas is still a large portion? What happened to net zero? Is someone holding up the installation of wind and solar?

Dennis
Reply to  Chip
August 28, 2022 10:33 pm

SA must be relieved that the former General Motors factory in the suburb of Elizabeth near Adelaide contains several aircraft jet turbines driving generators fulled with diesel and gas.

And they have an interconnector to Victoria’s power stations that are still operating.

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Reply to  Dennis
August 28, 2022 11:02 pm

Here (from here) is the history of the interconnector. Until 2016/7, when they blew up their last coal power station, it was all imports. Since then, mostly exporting to Victoria, with a slight import balance in 2020/1

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MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:30 pm

They are attempting it. The claim that it has been successful is quite a stretch.

Carlo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:33 pm

“Wind, solar, with gas backup as needed. They ditched coal.”
Yes, with GAS BACKUP ,of course, and “when needed’ , being interconnected, they can suck electricity predominantly produced by coal.

Reply to  Carlo
August 28, 2022 8:35 pm

Yes, backup, as the man said. They are not (yet) that interconnected, but what current the interconnector can carry is as much out as in. SA has been a net exporter in recent years.

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:13 pm

They certainly have been exporting there energy intensive industries 🙂

b.nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:38 pm

Rubbish,

The amount the interconnect carries is tiny compared to NSW and Victoria demand.

SA will ALWAYS be reliant on NSW and Victorian COAL for it back-up when wind doesn’t blow.

Reply to  b.nice
August 28, 2022 10:45 pm

The amount the interconnect carries is tiny “
“SA will ALWAYS be reliant on NSW and Victorian COAL”

How?

Peter K
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 1:48 am

SA is sometimes backed up by TAS and VIC when the wind doesn’t blow. SA has a maximum demand of just over 2 GW about a fifth of NSW demand.

Reply to  Peter K
August 29, 2022 2:21 am

just over 2 GW”
And the Heywood interconnector can deliver max 650 MW. It helps, but won’t carry the load.

Dennis
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 7:42 am

SA is spending more taxpayer’s monies building another interconnector, the new one to New South Wales because Victoria is struggling to cope with local state demand

lee
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 8:34 pm
b.nice
Reply to  lee
August 28, 2022 10:44 pm

Last year.. for a few days.. Whoopy-doo

Many times it has next to NONE

Here is data showing basically no wind at all on 26th August

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Harry
Reply to  lee
August 28, 2022 11:02 pm

It wasn’t 156 hours straight. It’s using the same idiotic averaging that Nick uses. You don’t run a reliable grid on averages.
Every night during those “156 hours straight”, gas was required to fill the shortfall. They get their 156 hours straight by taking an average, which means the overgeneration during the day which is exported is being counted at night even though it was not stored or available at night.

Reply to  Harry
August 28, 2022 11:15 pm

What they actually said, correctly, was:
“South Australia set an impressive new renewable energy record in the final days of 2021, with the state’s solar and wind farms and rooftop solar systems supplying an average of just over 100% of local demand every day for a period of almost one week.”

The 156 hours is a local WUWT embroidery.

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 12:12 am

Last I looked 24hrs x 7 days (AKA a week) = 168 hours

Replace the “week” with “168 hours” and the statement is unchanged 🙂

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Reply to  LdB
August 29, 2022 12:49 am

Replace the “week” with “168 hours” and the statement is unchanged”
But they didn’t do that.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 6:01 pm

Nitpick Nick Strikes Again!

Harry
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 2:01 am

“South Australia has done it again. Further cementing its reputation as a global renewables powerhouse, the state sourced an average of just over 100 per cent of the electricity it needed from renewable power for 6½ days leading up to December 29 last year.“

That’s how it was reported in multiple unreliables boosting publications. 6.5×24=156
Once again your pathetic evasions are exposed.

Harry
Reply to  Harry
August 29, 2022 3:52 am

And I forgot to include the title of the article
“ South Australia’s Record-Breaking 156Hr Renewable Run”

So much for embroidery Nick.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 4:33 am

ah almost…a week
and so much input theyre now going to charge people for it
as well as turn OFF rooftop systems in hot weather
so aircon will be running off grid supply at higher costs of course

Dennis
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 7:45 am

When the wind blows, when the sun shines and no clouds to get in the way, unreliable energy intermittently.

It has been pointed out to be like buying a car guaranteed to start 2.1 days in every 7.0 days, but no guarantee as to the working days timing.

John in Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 9:13 pm

So why do we need to spend lots of $$s on an interconnector to NSW/Qld?

Reliability of supply maybe?

Reply to  John in Oz
August 28, 2022 9:22 pm

SA is in recent years a net exporter. Cheap power for NSW and Qld; money for SA.

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:32 pm

Love to see that cost analysis … oh wait commercial in confidence 🙂

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b.nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:45 pm

The amounts are tiny compared to demand in NSW and Victoria.

What does SA produce, manufacturing-wise ?

Lrp
Reply to  b.nice
August 29, 2022 12:55 am

Nothing! That’s why Nick loves it

ozspeaksup
Reply to  b.nice
August 29, 2022 4:35 am

F all anymore! once we had 3 carplants and associated industry as well as 2 major whitegoods etc
now
none of it

Harry
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 2:04 am

I export lots of power during the day. Averages don’t help me at night. I still need to import power from the grid. The idiocy on display by Nick is tragic but par for the course for climate fever sufferers

4 Eyes
Reply to  Harry
August 29, 2022 3:39 am

He doesn’t understand the difference between power and energy

4 Eyes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 3:38 am

Stop confusing power with energy

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 4:34 am

seen sa power prices compared to other states mate?

Nick
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 7:35 am

SA is in recent years a net exporter. Cheap power for NSW and Qld; money for SA.

It is not money for SA as the electricity is not state owned nor is the interconnector.

It has not reduced my electricity bills either.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  John in Oz
August 29, 2022 4:34 am

and every company that looked at it?
backed OUT

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 9:22 pm

South Australia has the county’s highest unemployment rate as the population is declining.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 28, 2022 9:26 pm

Yes, at 4%. Pretty good. Next was Qld (home of coal) at 3.8%. So?

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 9:34 pm

Queensland has the fastest population growth in the country, SA with the highest unemployment rate in a shrinking population is not good.

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LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:17 pm

The point is South Australia is losing all it’s energy intensive users they peaked at 2019 and have been going downhill ever since. Easy to be an exporter when your use is on a downward spiral.

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4 Eyes
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 29, 2022 3:40 am

What on earth does that mean that is relevant?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 29, 2022 4:36 am

oh it rose as people left Vic, but dunno how long theyll stay there;-)

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 9:29 pm

South Australia has the second lowest weekly earnings after Tasmania.

Mr.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 9:43 pm

Wind, solar, with gas backup as needed.

Nick, you forgot to mention the diesel generators.

That’s DISCRIMINATION right there!

Reply to  Mr.
August 28, 2022 10:09 pm

Here is the mix for states in 2020 (most recent I could find). For SA, renewables about 60%, gas 40%. Diesel (oil) maybe 1%.

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Mr.
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:23 pm

They still need them though.

And that’s the point about unreliable renewables –

they can’t stand on their own merits, so the costs of reliable fossil fueled generation still has be borne.

So what’s the point of installing the unreliables?

Reply to  Mr.
August 28, 2022 10:43 pm

Taking 60% out of your fuel bill is quite a point.

Harry
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 11:04 pm

Who hoo! Nick thinks renewables are free. What a fool!

Reply to  Harry
August 28, 2022 11:18 pm

So how much does their fuel cost?

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 12:18 am

Obviously a lot when the grid doesn’t have any spare capacity and the unreliables aren’t working otherwise the SA grid cost wouldn’t follow all the other states using coal.

Again put WA, NT costs on your graph and your argument goes down the toilet.

The cost fluctuation is AEMO and it doesn’t really matter what the mix of coal or unreliables.

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4 Eyes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 3:42 am

How much Capex?

Lrp
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 12:58 am

That’s outright dishonest. Fuel bills are rising

Reply to  Lrp
August 29, 2022 1:10 am

60% of SA electricity came from wind and sun. There is no fuel bill for that.

Lrp
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 4:06 am

Very dishonest

Bill Toland
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 5:12 am

Analysis of the electricity prices charged throughout Europe shows that the more wind and solar capacity a country has installed, the higher its price of electricity. This is caused by a combination of the subsidies for renewable energy and the gigantic costs to electricity grids resulting from the intermittency of renewable energy. The additional electricity system costs mean that intermittent sources of power like wind and solar can never be cost competitive with reliable sources of energy.

https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=2491

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Dave Andrews
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 29, 2022 7:51 am

Yes, in the UK industrial demand for electricity has fallen by around 20% since 2000 but capacity has had to rise by over 20GW to meet this considerably lower demand because of the intermittency of unreliables.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 7:45 am

Do the people of SA get their electricity for free then?

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 9:25 pm

So the other 40% cost them a metric truckload .. is the other version of your stupid statement.

If that wasn’t true there costs would have been really cheap 🙂

So unreliables are cheap until you need them 24/7.

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4 Eyes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 3:42 am

Adding in unnecessary Capex actually counts Nick

Carlo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 31, 2022 3:11 am

What is important in an interconnected system is the overall mix .In interconnected Australia, in 2020 , the other renewable production was about 20% , with coal and gas about 75%. May be we can reach, in the future, even 45%-50% of renewable , but at which cost?. Obviously, to remain realistic, I am not talking of batteries here.

b.nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 28, 2022 10:33 pm

Yet they still are completely reliant on FOSSIL FUELS.

Including diesel on a regular basis, and brown coal electricity from Victoria.

And even though a tiny non-manufacturing state… they cannot “ditch” any of it.

They cannot “transition”… any more than a man can become a woman and give birth.

Its all just a far-left, ignorant FANTASY

LdB
Reply to  b.nice
August 29, 2022 12:22 am

Nick obviously lives in a closet and doesn’t move around the country because he is ignorant of the economic shifts going on in each state.

Hivemind
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 2:21 am

The entire state went black in 2016. There were rolling blackouts in 2017 and 2018 to prevent another black system. Even now, it’s only kept limping along on massive power imports from states that have coal power.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Nick Stokes
August 29, 2022 4:28 am

sa electricity was near 6c a kwh costlier 2 yrs ago and worse now
great deal for greentards bad for avg joe

mort
August 28, 2022 7:33 pm

one side argues the science
the other side proclaims that the world will end
people believe the words of those they trust and respect
scientists, legislators, world leaders etc. have all assured these people
that the world will be destroyed unless CO2 is stopped
you can’t win with rational arguments

the question, in my mind, that needs answering is
‘what will it take to convince the people of this planet that CO2 is not the problem?’

H B
Reply to  mort
August 28, 2022 8:15 pm

Mass starvation, pestilence, and famine nothing less and the pollies,and civil servants that still insist will meet the wrath of pitchfork and torches crowd

griff
Reply to  mort
August 29, 2022 12:34 am

One side uses the science to accurately predict an uptick in worldwide severe climate events… as we see now in Pakistan…

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 1:43 am

Griff, you have confused weather with climate again. The empirical data show no global increase in severe weather events. You have even renamed weather events as climate events. You really need to stop reading the Guardian. It’s not good for you.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 5:25 am

“One side uses the science to accurately predict an uptick in worldwide severe climate events… as we see now in Pakistan…”

Except the actual numbers show there is no uptick in worldwide severe climate events. You and the other alarmists are just making things up.

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 7:23 am

This was Pakistan only a few weeks ago…

“To farmers` delight, rains provide surplus water”
LAHORE: As the second monsoon spell wears out and the third one enters the country next Monday, farmers and water planners have reason to rejoice: showers have eliminated water shortages, helped substantially fill both major dams and benefited the entire crop cycle (rice, sugarcane, and maize).”

“The two spells so far have ended water scarcity that had reached close to 30pc, but provinces are now getting 26pc more than their requirement.”

As to your “uptick” prediction, I say show me your data. I don’t see any “uptick” in the total number of people affected by floods in Pakistan, which is what’s important right?

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Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 8:04 am

griff how old are you? Do you not remember the frequent yearly news bulletins, often in B&W, on the BBC about the monsoons in Pakistan during the !960s?

The Indus is a mighty river and its flood plain is home to many millions of people. Yet the prosperity of those people today is something that their forebears could not have dreamt of having thanks to the use of fossil fuels.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 9:17 am

Pakistan has taken over the world? Otherwise how does one tiny place translate to worldwide? Especially when considering the LIA and MEP didn’t occur worldwide!

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 11:42 am

Griff is lying again.

paul
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 12:52 pm

oh shit !
there’s never been any floods in Pakistan before ?
there’s never been any avalanches in Pakistan before ?
there’s never been any droughts in Pakistan before ?
there’s never been any earthquakes in Pakistan before ?
there’s never been any war in Pakistan before ?

the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling,the sky is falling

Tom Abbott
Reply to  mort
August 29, 2022 5:22 am

“‘what will it take to convince the people of this planet that CO2 is not the problem?’”

I would think a decade or so of cooling while CO2 continues to rise would be a pretty good argument against CO2 being the control knob of the Earth’s atmosphere.

The demonization of CO2 has been very thorough. It will take a lot to disabuse people of the notion that CO2 needs to be controlled/contained. A long cool spell may be what it takes.

MarkW
August 28, 2022 8:27 pm

Isn’t that always the way with leftists. There is no such thing as being pure enough.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
August 29, 2022 12:33 am

sigh.

for the one billionth time, climate science isn’t ‘leftist’…

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 3:11 am

For the one trillionth time, climate science isn’t the problem. It’s the way leftists misuse climate science that is the problem.

Leonard Weinstein
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 6:16 am

What the left calls climate science is not science either.

ih_fan
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 11:40 am

for the one billionth time, climate science isn’t ‘leftist’…

for the one billionth time, climate science isn’t ‘science’…

Fixed it for you. You’re welcome.

Jeff Alberts
August 28, 2022 8:49 pm

Anyone who accuses others of “climate denial”, or thinks there is a climate crisis, is not someone worth listening to.

griff
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 29, 2022 12:33 am

So Pakistan: latest country to see an off the previous scale flood event.

as predicted by climate science, following extreme flood events Australia, China, Germany Canadian NW, NZ….

And we won’t mention the heatwaves…

Really, there’s no change in pattern in severe weather events in last few years?

IanE
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 12:58 am

Nope: none whatsoever – as shown by EVERY statistical analysis!

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 1:54 am

Griff, your lack of understanding of climate science never ceases to amaze. According to climate science, in a warming world, the polar regions should warm more than the tropics. This reduces the temperature gradient over the planet and should result in a reduction in severe weather events.

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 11:51 am

The Yangtze Flood of 1931 killed over 2.5 million people in Central China, so the answer to your question is No, there is no change in severe weather. There was a severe drought between 1928 and 1930.

Why do you persist in telling obvious lies, especially when they can be exposed as such in a matter of seconds with Google?

Chris Hanley
August 28, 2022 9:05 pm

The 2030 national emissions reduction target (a 43% cut by 2030, compared with 2005) is not what the evidence says is needed or possible

Maybe the experience of UK and Germany is having a sobering effect on the Guardian.

griff
Reply to  Chris Hanley
August 29, 2022 12:30 am

The experience of the UK and Germany is down to a fossil fuel price rise and Russian political action.

Not renewables or action on climate change.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 12:40 am

Now that is funny 🙂

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 8:15 am

Everywhere unreliables have been introduced to any great extent has seen an inexorable rise in the cost of electricity because they destabilise the grid and make everything intermittent and thereby increase the costs of the reliable system needed to ensure the lights stay on.

With unreliables you always need a reliable back up, that is two systems instead of one (is that simple enough for you to understand?)

Jim Gorman
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 9:20 am

So, you just need vastly more renewables, right?

Robert B
August 28, 2022 10:00 pm

In the meantime people need fossil fuel. Surely even deep greens like Adam Morton don’t want people to suffer hardship and energy shortages, while we all wait for their glorious green energy revolution to kick in?”

He doesn’t want the plebs to fritter away his decendants’ inheritance.

Mike
August 28, 2022 10:01 pm

Andrew Bolt did a nice write-up on Albo in today’s paper. Basically, he asks does the Gov want to stop the droughts (that we suffered from a few years back) or the floods we have now? Because apparently CC caused both of them.
My question – does anyone in the government realize just how vacuous their path of planet saving looks to anyone with a modicum of reasoning?

LdB
Reply to  Mike
August 28, 2022 10:30 pm

Albo is too busy trying to beat up Morrison I think someone forgot to tell him he isn’t the Liberal leader anymore 🙂

Dennis
Reply to  Mike
August 28, 2022 10:35 pm

No!

griff
Reply to  Mike
August 29, 2022 12:29 am

Australia is now in a climate change induced cycle of severe drought/fires, interspersed with rainfall coming in more often as extreme rain events and causing flooding.

Exactly as climate science predicted.

LdB
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 12:41 am

So same as always and about 10% of the population being the green vote cares

Dennis
Reply to  LdB
August 29, 2022 7:55 am

A business owner in Tasmania explained to me when I asked about the Greens that, unfortunately he said, the Greens main supporter are from mainland Australia, retirees who want to keep Tasmania free of whatever annoys them, an example sustainable commercial logging in designated State Forests.

At the time many State Forests had been converted to UN registered National Parks with bans on logging, mining, dams and just about everything, preserved for “future generations” as National Parks forever, UN Agenda 21 now Agenda 30 – Sustainability.

The State of Tasmania lifestyle is subsidised with Federal grants. Many retirees are partly self funded or fully age pension recipients.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 5:30 am

cycle of severe drought/fires, interspersed with rainfall coming in more often as extreme rain events and causing flooding.

Amazing!

So do tell us, oh wise one: what caused all the previous cycles of severe drought/fires, interspersed with rainfall causing flooding?

I mean, we now understand that the PDO of El Niño and La Niña that Climate Scientology didn’t understand or take into account, cause these cycles on the west and east of the Pacific. We’ve had three years of La Niña, and associated flooding in eastern Australia. When El Niño eventually returns, you’ll no doubt be wailing that the inevitable associated droughts and bushfires are caused by CO2, all completely unpredicted, of course.

Last time, Flim Flannery predicted they would last forever, so convincing governments to buy pointless desalination plants costing a million dollars a week to do nothing. What will he convince them to uselessly do next time? Those taxpayer dollars won’t waste themselves, after all!

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Jim Gorman
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 29, 2022 9:23 am

I would ask how trees that need fire to propagate only showed up after WWII!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 5:33 am

“Exactly as climate science predicted.”

Nothing predicted by alarmist climate science has come true.

Mr.
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 29, 2022 8:19 am

Tim Flannery (climate scientist, cough!) predicted that Oz would never again get enough rainfall to fill their rivers and dams.

Maybe he was just trying to short wellington boots?

Because as one of Griff’s esteemed climate scientists, he sucks at understanding why Oz was called “The Land Of Drought And Flooding Rains”.

Dennis
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 7:50 am

About 130,000 years ago the land we call Australia experienced gradual major climate change, the mostly rainforests disappeared and today cover about 3 per cent of forest area and the replacements were eucalyptus that tolerates long dry drought periods, bushfires and even floods, the land of droughts and flooding rains as it is now and has been for thousands of years.

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
August 29, 2022 9:56 am

“Australia is now in a climate change induced cycle of severe drought/fires, interspersed with rainfall coming in more often as extreme rain events and causing flooding.”

You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

Climate believer
Reply to  Climate believer
August 29, 2022 11:10 am

So let me get this straight…

There’s going to be drought, but increasingly there will be flooding…

Yeah, I totally get why a leftard such as yourself wouldn’t have a problem with that.

Reply to  Dennis
August 29, 2022 12:29 pm

The climate emergency is Nut Zero, about to ruin the electric grids in several nations. If that’s not an emergency, I don’t know what is.

Terry
August 28, 2022 11:18 pm

You can’t fix stupid.

Coeur de Lion
August 28, 2022 11:26 pm

I imagine the ignorant Morton is well enough paid to get by this winter without suffering. But the Guardian has been on its last legs for years. Does he have a family? City-dweller?

another ian
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
August 29, 2022 1:30 am

Remember when The Guardian was running a tirade on businesses that have origins involving money from the slave trade? Like

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/23/british-business-slave-trade-university-college-london-slave-owners

And then

GUY WALTERS: How the woke Guardian newspaper was founded with a fortune linked to cotton – showing the complexities of unravelling the distant past”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443501/GUY-WALTERS-woke-Guardian-newspaper-founded-fortune-linked-cotton.html

Dave Andrews
Reply to  another ian
August 29, 2022 8:20 am

The Guardian knew that themselves and had articles on it in the past which somehow slipped their memory 🙂

Graemethecat
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 29, 2022 11:55 am

The Grauniad published a number of articles in the 1970’s warning about the dangers of the forthcoming Global Cooling.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
August 29, 2022 1:24 am

You think they want people to have such luxuries as a mud hut? No, they can make do with a recycled shoe box and blankets made of recycled copies of the Grauniad – the world’s most popular newspaper (yawn)

Steve G
August 29, 2022 1:53 am

I’ve got a great idea. Lets use only sun and wind generated electricity to power the entire planet…and we can keep all that electricity in BIG batteries!!!

Dennis
Reply to  Steve G
August 29, 2022 7:57 am

Charged overnight from solar panels and/or from a wind turbine installation, because somewhere the wind would be blowing I have been advised by blog mental pygmies.

Serge Wright
August 29, 2022 2:22 am

The game of politics is a game. Allowing exploration is by no means a guarantee that any extraction will occur and in this case we can be sure no extraction will ever occur. The new left leaning government will use this exploration approval to claim they are not a bunch of loony climate zealots (which they are), and to try and attract minor party voters, which now make up 30% of the electorate. They know the reality is that no banks will provide funding and the minister responsible for signing off on the lease will reject the project on the basis of CO2 being harmful. Watch this space.

ozspeaksup
August 29, 2022 4:24 am

Sth Aus would have ZERO power if not for the one poor gasplant remaining
and
sucking power in from Vic and some of thats linked to Tassie hydro
only bad thing re the gas offshoire will be the damned OS companies doing it n creaming profits with low tax paid like now
maybe the govt WILL enforce setprice home supply this time?
and the tard writing forgot the proposed birdshredders off shore the same east coat areas recently announced

Ilma
August 29, 2022 5:10 am

“glorious green energy revolution”. Right! Only for whose pockets it will line off course, with OUR money.

Tom.1
August 29, 2022 6:12 am

For true greens, fossil fuels symbolize the modern post-industrial capitalism-based world, so they hate it. They want to stop using oil and gas irrespective of any environmental or economic benefits.

toorightmate
August 29, 2022 7:11 am

Deep Greens are hard-line communists.
However, they would not last 1 minute in Vlad’s Russia nor Xi’s China.

Dennis
August 29, 2022 7:59 am

Snowy 02 Hydro Project, pumped system, is running several years behind schedule for completion and the original cost estimate has increased considerably.

Looks like more diesel generators will be needed in Victoria.

August 29, 2022 4:11 pm

Green Greens like Adam Morton do want people to suffer hardship and energy shortages, precisely because they think that this suffering will increase public demands for more and more totally ineffective solar and wind power installation. Their glorious green energy will , in reality, never kick in, but thousands will die of energy poverty, while they are waiting for the glorious revolution.

Martin
August 29, 2022 9:31 pm

Yes he does…and stop calling us Shirley!

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