The Big Green Lie Almost Everyone Claims to Believe

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t M; Epoch Times Sticking it where it hurts, to all the politicians who have given lip service over the years to the climate crisis lie.

The Big Green Lie Almost Everyone Claims to Believe          

Patricia Adams
Lawrence Solomon

Almost every member of Congress, Democrat or Republican, pays homage to the Big Green Lie. So do all the past and remaining Conservative candidates vying to be prime minister of the UK and every candidate currently vying for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada. So does virtually all of the mainstream press. The Big Green Lie—that carbon dioxide is a pollutant—is so pervasive that even those considered skeptics—including right-wing NGOs and pundits—generally adhere to the orthodoxy, differing not in their stated belief that CO2 is a pollutant but only in how calamitous a pollutant it is.

The claim that the “science was settled” on climate change never withstood scrutiny. Scientists around the world signed a series of petitions to dispute that claim. The 2008 Oregon Petition, spearheaded by a former president of the National Academy of Science and championed by Freeman Dyson, Albert Einstein’s successor at Princeton and one of the world’s most preeminent scientists, was signed by more than 31,000 scientists and experts who agreed that “the proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind. … Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

What is settled is the abject failure of the three-decade-long attempt by the bureaucracies of the 195 countries of the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to convince anyone other than themselves, a credulous media, and a relatively few gullible people that climate change represents an existential threat. Poll after poll over the decades show the public gives climate change short shrift when asked to rank its importance.

Read more: https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-big-green-lie-almost-everyone-claims-to-believe_4639112.html

What bothers me most about the climate crisis is the opportunity cost, the needless economic pain people endure.

In the USA gasoline prices have skyrocketed, because Brandon’s rabid green administration refuses to allow domestic energy providers to drill for more oil, and refuses to build new pipelines like Keystone.

How many ordinary American families have missed out on visiting the grandparents, because they can’t afford the road trip? How many people will die this winter, because they can’t afford to warm their homes?

Britain, which has embraced this fable more than most, is expected to experience 70% household power bill increases this year, which no end of sight – even though the British people are literally sitting on vast reserves of shale gas, which could cut their energy bills almost overnight.

As for Australia, our nation is a mountain of coal and Uranium, but our government is trying to shut down the the coal and has forbidden the construction of nuclear power plants.

Sooner or later voters will tire of waiting for the promised low cost energy renewables are supposed to deliver, but when they finally awaken, it will still take many years more, to undo the damage this madness has caused.

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UKJohn
August 5, 2022 2:19 am

As a Brit can I just say that UK energy costs have risen a lot more than 70%. Personally mine have doubled and we are being warned to expect large increases in the Autumn. The price cap imposed by the regulator is expected to rise to £3000 pa in October and predicted to rise to £4000pa by spring 2023. Already there is talk of campaigns of dissent.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  UKJohn
August 5, 2022 3:23 am

A comment about the UK relevant to all countries following the green lunacy:
 “the absence of a proper cost-benefit analysis which stands up to scrutiny
(from paper Achieving Net Zero – Michael Kelly)

griff
Reply to  UKJohn
August 5, 2022 3:54 am

Because of world gas prices.

your bill would be even higher without the contribution of renewables paying back money when wholesale is higher than their strike price.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:05 am

Your reply doesn’t address the issue. The issue is the cost penalty that unreliable solar and wind cause.

How much unreliable generation needs to be built before, how much gas needs to be left in the ground, and much money in electric boilers and insulation must spent before heating and cooling rates diminish? Will they ever fall back to the levels at which they were when this mess started?

Ask yourself why the costs of periodic electricity has reached into the thousands. Does the term unreliable mean anything to you.

Ray Swadling
Reply to  Jim Gorman
August 5, 2022 12:18 pm

I actually heard an advert on UK radio about getting a heat pump installed today.
First time. Same sort of tone as the smart meter ones.

I also didn’t know until the recent UK “killer heatwave ( all of two days)” that solar panel efficiency drops of above 25C.

Renewables, the gift that keeps giving…..

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RickWill
Reply to  Ray Swadling
August 5, 2022 3:01 pm

The drop is around 0.7%/C. A panel in full sunlight in 30C shade temp will reach 60C on a pitched roof with air gap; hotter if no air gap. So the drop in efficiency from rated temp of 25C is about 25%. Rather than converting 20% of sunlight to electricity they are down to 15%.

The reverse is true as well. A panel cooled by cloud cover will exceed rated output for a few minutes once the cloud passes if the ambient shade temp is less than 25C. My panels have momentarily exceeded nameplate by 10% on cool days when mostly cloudy with clear breaks.

Peter Barrett
Reply to  Ray Swadling
August 6, 2022 7:17 am

Please allow me the impertinence of a small correction to your post:
Renewables, the grift that keeps giving…..

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:08 am

Griff, stop peddling the nonsense that renewables reduce electricity prices. The evidence shows that the more renewable energy a country installs, the higher its electricity price.

https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2018/02/27/the-high-cost-of-electricity-from-wind-and-solar-generation/

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:10 am

Griff there is no renewable energy. There is only unreliable energy created and backed up 100% by fossil fuel sources.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 5, 2022 9:17 am

Exactly-
Wind and solar are only as renewable as the materials they are made from. We will need way more raw materials in the future to keep up with the fact that they have very short lifespans and are gleaning energy from ridiculously low density sources. That’s why they use more energy than they produce on a lifetime average.

Griff needs to go join a troll farm blogging about Ukraine. They’ll probably pay more than Soros pays free-lancers.

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RickWill
Reply to  Pop Piasa
August 5, 2022 3:06 pm

It would take 83 years for an optimally mounted solar panel at 35S latitude to recover the energy that went into its manufacture, transport and installation. That is if it is mounted on a roof. More if it requires a transmission line to get the power from where it is installed to a household. Also more if it needs storage so it can produce an on-demand output.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 5, 2022 12:57 pm

Except that in some places we’re getting to the point where the unreliable sources are _not_ backed up by FF sources.

Galileo9
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:11 am

Griff, sorry to bother you but you still haven’t answered this post, your in tray must be overflowing by now.

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john harmsworth
Reply to  Galileo9
August 5, 2022 8:36 am

Cockroaches scuttle away when the lights come on. He’s not sticking around to attempt to defend his ridiculous comments. They are indefensible goofiness. A manifestation of his desire to matter in a world he doesn’t understand and has no capacity to affect. Sad stupidity.

PhilW
Reply to  Galileo9
August 5, 2022 11:45 am

Children suffering again…

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AndyHce
Reply to  Galileo9
August 5, 2022 2:23 pm

That picture/caption might be more effective if it didn’t contain a large obvious error.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:12 am

Griff,
Can you explain why people on 100% renewable energy are paying the same as everyone else?

EON “All our customers’ homes and businesses get 100% renewable electricity, at no extra cost. ”
Shell “All of our electricity comes from 100% renewable sources like wind, solar and biomass”
OVO In October 2020 OVO announced its move to 100% renewable electricity and planting a tree on behalf of every member for every year they’re with us

They all say the same thing, 100% renewable Some say at no extra cost, implyiing it’s more expensive to produce.

Not sure how they manage it as on a breezy and sunny day Gas and nuclear are supplying two thirds of electricity, and Gas 100% of gas.

Alasdair
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 5, 2022 7:52 am

These three energy suppliers are, of course, lying in their teeth with the express permission of the Legal Profession.
What they ACTUALLY supply is roughly and variable, 85% fossil/nuclear energy (FNE) with say1% Unreliables Such as solar and Wind, with the balance being ‘others’ such as Hydro, Geothermal etc.
The fossil fuel/nuclear element(FNE) comprises bits of paper with insignificant energy content even if you burn them, and these provide a legal interpretation DEEMING the FNE to be “Renewable”. This being the modern equivalent of the ‘Indulgences’ sold by the Catholic Church years ago.

Im not sure of the difference between DEEMING and LYING; but it does indicate that there are dark forces up there amid our so called leaders.

(It seems that humanity has the propensity to repeat its sins regularly in the historic context.)

Mason Crawford
Reply to  Alasdair
August 6, 2022 10:17 pm

I don’t thing they’re legally lying, if they have produced/purchased enough “carbon” offsets to cover their direct CO2 emissions. Of course the cost associated with the “carbon” offsets just gets passed on to the consumers!

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 5, 2022 1:00 pm

What is actually being supplied depends on your location and the time of day and primarily how windy it is. You can see that at carbonintensity.org.uk at a regional level, and as a country average for a good selection of places around the world at electricitymap.org

Iain Reid
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
August 5, 2022 11:22 pm

It doesn’t add up,

those figures are misleading and do not entirely reflect what happens due to the policy of increasing the use of evs and heat pumps.
Increasing demand means that extra gas generation (U.K.) meets that demand (as nuclear and renewables have given all they can), so these green devices are not as green as they may seem or are made out to be.
This will continue, in my view, as the expansion of the use of these devices will outstrip the expansion of any non CO2 emitting generation actual capacity, especially as nuclear capacity is falling steadily, and there is a limit as to how much renewable generation the grid can absorb. The loss of inertia from the reduction in nuclear generation impacts this somewhat.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Iain Reid
August 6, 2022 2:20 am

The misleading element of the figures from National Grid is that they count interconnector supply as zero carbon. That might have been justifiable for IFA1 back when we were importing from France as it was effectively supplied by the massive 5.6GW nuclear complex at Gravelines. However, the BritNed line comes ashore at Maasvlakte, Rotterdam, and the HVDC converter station is right next door to the coal fired MPP3 power station. Unless that is shut it is the source of the power.

The figures do not directly reveal marginal sources of power as demand increases, but you can get an idea by looking at them over time. The value is really in showing that 100% green electricity is usually a complete myth. There are some rare exceptions. For example, until Hinkley B shut down a few days ago it was possible for electricity in the SW to be supplied entirely by nuclear and solar and a tiny bit of wind if the CCGT plant at Indian Queens was not running/needed, with an export surplus to neighbouring regions.

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:26 am

your bill would be even higher without the contribution of renewables paying back money when wholesale is higher than their strike price.

So why do unreliables need subsidies and reliable back up from nuclear and fossil fuels?

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Redge
August 6, 2022 12:23 pm

Doubt that Griff pays taxes, so he has no idea of the reality.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 6:31 am

They might buy that at the grauniad, but that’s probably where you saw it. Meanwhile, back in the real world..

https://www.masterresource.org/droz-john-awed/25-industrial-wind-energy-deceptions/

Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 7:31 am

Griffy boy, I have to tape up your abdomen with masking tape, otherwise you’ll explode when I shove all the money spent to subsidise your “green energy” where it belongs…

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 7:43 am

griff,

Unreliables are intermittent providers of electricity and thereby need back up available all the time. This in turn makes that back up intermittent and requires far more capacity to meet any given demand. This back up then becomes more expensive because it cannot rely on running at baseload to recover its costs and then the contracts for gas supply then become more costly to deliver because they too are dependent on when the unreliables fail to deliver.

No matter how many panels and turbines you install you are not going to solve this problem so prices will continue to increase driven by the unreliability of unreliables

n.n
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:12 am

Because of progressive prices that are forced, in part, by renewable/intermittent/unreliable energy converters.

john harmsworth
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:30 am

Total nonsense! There is zero “payback” on any renewable energy source. Every single one fails to pay back its initial cost, except at vastly increased cost to the consumer. Solar at my latitude produces about 17% of nameplate rating. Wind generators are already being replaced and filling up landfills with blades that can’t be recycled.
It’s garbage virtue signaling appeasement of the Green mob, by the prophets of the Green religion, for whom no human suffering is too much. Just a toll we pay on the road to the Socialist “paradise”. You’re an evil, dishonest fool, Griff.

michael hart
Reply to  john harmsworth
August 5, 2022 9:08 am

John, unfortunately, I don’t think I can upvote you more than once.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:50 am

UK price caps on domestic energy:

Gas 7p per kWh
Electric 28p per kWh

Even at current gas prices electricity is 4x as expensive.

And in the USA the current gas price is about 1/5 of the UK wholesale – so which “world prices” are you referring to?

The only issue is supply vs demand. Increase supply and the price will fall very quickly.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:03 am

That could only be true if renewables meant a reduction in natural gas consumption.

Unfortunately for you and your fantasies, real world data goes the other way. Renewables mean an increase in fossil fuel demand as well as making the power plants less efficient and more expensive.

Regardless, it was just a year ago that little griffie was telling us that renewables were resulting in coal plants being closed. So which is it little liar in chief, are renewables closing coal plants as you told us last year, or are the causing natural gas plants to be closed, as you are telling us now?

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 12:49 pm

They aren’t. There’s a chunk of renewables collecting over £6bn p.a. in subsidies on top of market prices that are boosted by carbon taxes. There’s a smaller chunk that have averaged quite close to market levels in their CFD strike prices, having been above and below in recent months, paying back just a few hundred £m over the past year since prices went haywire. Net result: big subsidies, including an approx £8bn increase in prices due to carbon tax, £2.5bn in extra system balancing costs and perhaps another £4bn in additional network costs.

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:59 pm

Your bill would be a whole lot lower because energy producers would have had sufficient quantity of fuel stored to produce 120% of required energy instead of 65% with 35% dependent on ruinables

George T
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:52 pm

Renewables never made any sense. I looked into it on three different occasions and each time the return on investment was simply not there. I gave it a chance, but fortunately the cost benefit was simply not there. I don’t believe in virtue signaling, because my hard earned money means something and it would be irresponsible to do otherwise. That indeed is my virtue sign to all the renewable energy advocates. Inflicting this “religion” upon those least able to afford such increased costs is immoral and a crime against humanity.

Elliot W
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:12 pm

Aw Griff. Solar and wind cost more than they produce on a whole-life basis. And your parents’ power bill would be less if fracking had been encouraged in UK . When an artificial shortage of an essential component of civilization (fossil fuels in this instance ) is created, the price for that commodity goes up. Economics 101.

Greg Shark
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 1:21 am

The issue exists as a consequence for the drive to ‘renewable’ energy ….. not the other way around!

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DrEd
Reply to  griff
August 7, 2022 10:32 am

Idiot. Home electricity is more expensive the more per capita “renewable energy” is installed Go look it up. The real DATA shows this unmistakably. But you don’t cre about real data, griff the troll.

Coach Springer
Reply to  UKJohn
August 5, 2022 5:13 am

“Already, there is talk of campaigns of dissent.” Yeah, we’re all threatening them with non-existent resistance.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  UKJohn
August 5, 2022 11:44 am

I would offer you some firewood but Drax has already cut it down, pelletized it, shipped it across the Atlantic, and burned it. In addition to your price cap policy schemes designed to deflect the true cost of market/policy moves, you are also distorting the value of imported wood to burn with tax incentives. Hurry up with the windmill projects so we can have that teaching moment when rated wind capacity far exceeds demand but shortages, price spiral, and lack of competitiveness still exist.

TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 2:27 am

The 2008 Oregon Petition, spearheaded by a former president of the National Academy of Science and championed by Freeman Dyson, Albert Einstein’s successor at Princeton and one of the world’s most preeminent scientists, was signed by more than 31,000 scientists and experts…

Even Geri Halliwell (Ginger Spice from the Spice Girls) signed the Oregon Petition, and still they ignored it!

fretslider
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 4:10 am

the Spice Girls

Manufactured pap – just like Greta Thunberg

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Archer
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 9:14 am

The difference is, I don’t mind listening to the spice girls.

Richard Page
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 6:15 pm

True, perhaps she signed it in her role as UN goodwill Ambassador?

Derg
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 5:20 am

Why did they sign it?

Reply to  Derg
August 5, 2022 7:03 am

Because people are easily fooled when they are manipulated with a constant barrage of lies declaring that CO2 is destroying the planet,. It’s the same basic reason Biden was elected; we have a horribly corrupt press that would rather lie to support the left than accept uncomfortable truths that don’t.and more than just the America press is involved in this malfeasance.

Rod Evans
Reply to  co2isnotevil
August 5, 2022 12:41 pm

The Guardian Newspaper is the coordinating agent for all global news articles regarding climate. It is no surprise there is a unity of position by the MSM. The main MSM players have declared themselves the de facto experts re climate and provide the copy and the style that must be used. A universal stance has been mandated across the whole of the Western World, the science is settled ….apparently?.
The BBC is the foundation on which the Guardian stands and depends for its existence. It is they who have decided the science is settled remember.
The tumbling walrus prove it according to David Attenborough.
What more needs to be said.
They are completely mad.

Redge
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 5:29 am

And the manufactured Climate Chicken Little petition was signed by many more climate clowns and non-entities, so what’s your point?

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 8:06 am

“Even Geri Halliwell (Ginger Spice from the Spice Girls) signed the Oregon Petition, and still they ignored it!”

They certainly didn’t ignore it, they made every effort to sabotage it with fake signatures as you point out. That kind of attention only goes to show what a threat it was to the progressive anti-human movement.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
August 5, 2022 4:16 pm

While the petition has been portrayed by global-warming skeptics as authoritative evidence that many scientists reject the catastrophic scenario of global climate change, Robinson acknowledged that little attempt was done to verify credentials of those who responded.

Editor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 8:07 am

False since they deleted it in time what about the other 30,999 others signatories you didn’t complain about?

Snicker…..

MarkW
Reply to  Sunsettommy
August 5, 2022 9:08 am

Didn’t Anthony’s dog join the Union of Concerned Scientists?

paul courtney
Reply to  MarkW
August 5, 2022 9:52 am

Mr.W: And it submitted an article titled “Doggone hot out there”, and it passed peer review! Tony Heller’s dogs wrote a scathing critique.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Sunsettommy
August 5, 2022 10:13 am

Sunset: the Dark Side always tries to screw up polls unfavorable to their meme by adding silly names. Even this fools their useful idiots.

TonyG
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 8:36 am

If her signature on said petition invalidates it, then likewise Anthony’s dog’s membership in the “Union of Concerned Scientists” invalidates that organization.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  TonyG
August 5, 2022 4:18 pm

Who says it invalidates it? As far as I know Ginger Spice has the same formal qualifications in meterology as Anthony does.

Mike Bryant
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 6, 2022 4:58 pm

Meterology? Hmmmm…

observa
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 8:42 am

Don’t ever forget science isn’t a democracy and eventually your prescriptions based on it have to work or you’ll be found out-
The alleged fraud in Alzheimer’s research and what it means for patients – ABC News

LdB
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 8:49 am

Sounds like a good reason to ignore it … there music was bad enough

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 9:07 am

I notice that you are ignoring all the actual scientists who signed the petition.
If you want to distract and move the goal posts, you need to take lessons from Nick, he’s the subject matter expert in that subject.

ATheoK
Reply to  TheFinalNail
August 5, 2022 11:55 am

More spewing of nonsense from the last nail, likely the last hangnail.

The “Oregon Petition”?

“The Petition states:

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

Signing the petition is the right of all sane and practical people.

Naysayers, like the infected hangnail expose themselves as anti-science luddites and flat earthers.

Herbert
August 5, 2022 2:31 am

Eric,
In the Quarterly Essay of April 2021, “Getting to Zero” the former Chief Scientist of Australia Dr. Alan Finkel wrote-
“ A brief digression on Carbon Dioxide: it is not a pollutant.
Calling it a pollutant runs the risk of trivialising the toxic effects of true pollutants. CO2 is not toxic.
It is a product of human metabolism and we exhale it at more than 100 times concentration than is found in the atmosphere.
In the reverse cycle, plants absorb carbon dioxide to use as the food stock for photosynthesis.
Carbon dioxide is a fundamental part of our lifecycle but it also happens to be a greenhouse gas.”
Absolutely correct but Dr.Finkel’s subsequent explanation of GHE is controversial to say the least.
Now Australia has a NPI (National Pollutants Inventory) of 93 elements and compounds styled “non-greenhouse gas pollutants” and CO2,CH4 etc.now styled “greenhouse gas pollutants”.
The latter category has no scientific justification.
It is done to comply with Kyoto and Paris obligations.

Mr.
Reply to  Herbert
August 5, 2022 5:02 am

They can only get away with this sort of bullshit because of a dumbed down media feeding a dumbed down society.

Speed
August 5, 2022 3:06 am

Eventually all the “true believers” will be unmasked and references to The Wizard of Oz will be overwhelming. “It was just a dream.”

Michael in Dublin
August 5, 2022 3:16 am

A small poll on The Biggest Problem Ireland Faces Right Now:

  • Inflation and the cost of Living 65%
  • Housing 26%
  • Crime 7%
  • Climate change 2%

Not what our politicians would like to see.
They also fail to make the connection between the green lunacy and the biggest problem in public opinion.

Derg
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 5, 2022 5:22 am

I can’t believe it is as high as 2%.It should be 0.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
August 5, 2022 9:10 am

That 2% have incomes that require the scam to continue.

Lark
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
August 5, 2022 11:35 pm

Yeah, if you funnel off the rivers of money for the first three into your cronies’ pockets instead, it shows up in measurable results. CAGW is a much more convenient scam.
But apparently climate change doesn’t provide enough ever-increasing pelf to support their desired lifestyle, so they’ve decided to start lying about the first three as well.

H.R.
August 5, 2022 3:18 am

Last sentence: “[…] but when they finally awaken, it will still take many years more, to undo the damage this madness has caused.”

I believe the intent is to cause such damage in the Western world that there will be no possible recovery. We are to be left in a state of pastoral bliss where the only energy sources are horses, oxen, our own muscles, and the odd water-powered mill.

How soon the masses awaken will determine if recovery takes many years or many decades or a century or two.

It’s hard to say what is going to happen, but there is no doubt that we ere are living in those “interesting times”.

AndyHce
Reply to  H.R.
August 5, 2022 2:46 pm

The considerable but gradual reduction of personal freedoms in the USA through the “emergencies” of the past 80 to 90 years has resulted in most people not even knowing what has been lost. I expect the principles are well understood and it is expected that the same will occur under the new changes, especially as the peoples and culture are replaced by those imported from around the world.

TonyG
Reply to  AndyHce
August 6, 2022 2:42 pm

Excellent observation, Andy. It seems most people can’t even conceive of a life without the government being involved in every little part of it.

fretslider
August 5, 2022 3:28 am

“31,000 scientists and experts”

One [utterly loony] organisation with science in its title dwarfs that… The Union of Concerned Scientists. Perhaps Mr Watts’ dog is still a member of this ‘august’ < /sarc > body?

“Nearly 120,000 UCS members contributed 60 percent of our total operating income. “

https://www.ucsusa.org/about/funding-financials

Eminence or scientific probity are no defence against cancellation for heresy. And the media along with woke big tech decides what is and what is not truth in these Orwellian times.

The Great Barrington Declaration is a case in point. Eminent scientists in their field at prestigious seats of learning who disagreed were now reduced to ‘fringe’ – ie crank epidemiologists…

“The Great Barrington Declaration: Shut down

Collins’s response to a memo signed by thousands of scientists should not have been to call for an immediate and devastating take down”

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-gbd-is-silencing-me/

Email from Francis Collins to Anthony Fauci

“See https://gbdeclaration.org/ This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists who met with the Secretary seems to be getting a lot of attention – and even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published take down of its premises. I don’t see anything like that on line yet – is it underway”?

6a01156e439be2970c01b8d2035091970c-1200×567.jpg (1200×567) (sciencebasedmedicine.org)

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 11:45 am

Perhaps Mr Watts’ dog is still a member of this ‘august’ < /sarc > body?

No, it decided that they were barking up the wrong tree and resigned in protest in September.

Steve4192
August 5, 2022 3:32 am

The climate change cult is built on two big lies.

  1. CO2 is a pollutant
  2. Warming is bad

For some god-forsaken reason, they seem to prefer the climate of the Little Ice Age over our warm and cozy modern climate. I can’t for the life of me figure out why. That period was chock full of cold deaths and crop failures and famines. Sounds like Hell on earth to me.

griff
Reply to  Steve4192
August 5, 2022 3:55 am

I’d prefer not to have a future of 40C heat and drought in the UK and can do without the floods and storms climate change is bringing

Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 3:57 am

Feel free to stop la Niña 😀

Jim Gorman
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:10 am

You must be a great dancer because you certainly have the talent in avoiding direct answers.

Why don’t you tell us that you want the temperatures to return to those in the early 1800’s, i.e., as cold as a well digger’s arse.

Bryan A
Reply to  Jim Gorman
August 5, 2022 5:32 am

Ooooh I love to dance a little sidestep…

Disputin
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:31 am

“…the floods and storms climate change is bringing.”

Oh yes? Some evidence of that, please.

(Hint: there is none.)

MarkW
Reply to  Disputin
August 5, 2022 9:14 am

If it’s warmer than last year. CO2 caused it.
If it’s colder than last year, that’s just weather you science denier.
The Great Models have Spoken.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:50 am

Griff there is nothing happening with the climate that hasn’t happened before. I have been listening to this crap since 1970 and nothing has changed.

damp
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 5, 2022 5:46 pm

Matthew, are you saying that we are not all dead from Global Cooling? Science Denier!

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  damp
August 5, 2022 5:55 pm

For a while there in the late 70’s it looked like they were right,😰but then we went back to normal.😉

fretslider
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:07 am

“I’d prefer not to have a future of 40C heat “

Try [formerly Port] Stanley

Removing the last landmine on the Falkland Islands is a “momentous change”, says islander Barry Elsby. …

Should be safe enough – even for you!

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DaveS
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:15 am

It isn’t (unless you were one of those who freaked out at experiencing a couple of hot days in summer) so you’ve nothing to worry about.

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:30 am

I’d prefer not to have a future of 40C heat and drought in the UK and can do without the floods and storms climate change is bringing

I’ll guarantee it, Griff, mate

ATheoK
Reply to  Redge
August 5, 2022 12:11 pm

I think the proper answer is, ‘Can’t promise that giffie’. You must immediately move to North Greenland or perhaps a better place is Churchill, Manitoba!

Then we can guarantee your temperature desire and water avoidance.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 6:45 am

Don’t worry, the droughts will be 6% drier and so will counter the 6% wetter floods. The Met office said so this morning.

Mark BLR
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 7:54 am

I’d prefer not to have a future of 40C heat and drought in the UK …

Given that 2 or 3 hot days now equals “climate change”, how many “40C heat and drought” days will there be in the UK 5 or 6 months into the future (January 2023) ?

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 7:58 am

griff,

What caused the drought of 1540 when the UK and much of Europe experienced 11 months of very little rain. It was the worst drought in Europe’s history and had absolutely nothing to do with fossil fuels and CO2?

lee riffee
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:10 am

Yeah, because we all know there were no floods, fires and storms before the industrial age! That said, any idea why ancient peoples might have named various deities after catastrophic weather phenomena (and attributed them to those and other gods)? Let’s see – we have Zeus, who is associated with storms and lightning; also see Norse god Thor), and Poseidon who is associated with tsunamis, earthquakes and ocean gales, and then there is the god Hurrican (from where we get the word Hurricane) of ancient central America.
If these kinds of floods and storms didn’t exist before humans began burning fossil fuels, then why did so many ancient societies attribute such weather events to various gods?

Leslie MacMillan
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:17 am

So tell China and India to stop building coal-fired electricity and steel mills that make the stuff you and they want to buy. Your climate is not made where you live. The whole world ‘s climate is made in China, and will soon be made in India and Nigeria, too.

AndyHce
Reply to  Leslie MacMillan
August 5, 2022 2:52 pm

“not even wrong” is the current jingle. The fact that increasing CO2 is being produced there isn’t relevant.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:13 am

Even the IPCC claims only 0.7C of warming over the last 150 years. CO2 had nothing to do with any heat waves.

BTW, I remember griff whining over and over again how cold snaps were weather, and anyone who said differenty knew nothing about how science works.

Now he’s telling us that every minor heat wave is proof positive that CO2 is killing all of us.

One constant with global warming activists, they never let reality get in the way of a good lie.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 12:38 pm

Probably more than a few commentators would prefer you to not have a future, either.

Barass
Reply to  Steve4192
August 5, 2022 12:18 pm

The climate change cult is based on “government science,” ie “Bull S***.”

griff
August 5, 2022 3:52 am

The Epoch Times is hardly a reliable source of information – it is a far right publication associated with Falun Gong…

Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 3:58 am

As you are as ignorant green /red watermelon 😀

fretslider
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:15 am

The Guardian is hardly a reliable source of information – it was founded on the [rich] proceeds of slavery.

So one must conclude you have a bias. Who knew?

StephenP
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 8:08 am

And the Guardian seems to have had a guilt complex ever since.

Disputin
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 4:32 am

Unlike the Guardian!

Don
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:00 am

Better to be far right than to be so-far-wrong.
Better associated with Falun Gong than politicized-pseudoscience-IPCC !

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Don
August 6, 2022 12:47 pm

Don… May I borrow your first sentence, please?

Don
Reply to  Sturmudgeon
August 7, 2022 1:52 pm

Oh sure, just remember to put it back where you found it. Try not to dull it, these things are hard to sharpen up again!

DaveS
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:25 am

On my, the ‘far right’ meme. How very intelligent of you.

By the way, griffy. A few weeks back you posted that some Conservative party members wouldn’t vote for an ethnic minority candidate for party leader. ‘Unfortunately’ was the word you used, IIRC, clearly intended as a dig. You presumably didn’t notice that the polls of party members then showed that Kemi Badenoch was by far the most popular of the original candidates. What’s Kemi Badenoch’s ethnicity, griff?

MarkW
Reply to  DaveS
August 5, 2022 9:17 am

Every good socialist knows that conservatives are pure evil.
No need for actual evidence, disagreeing with socialists is all the proof needed.

Redge
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:34 am

A typical comment from a watermelon

Can’t play the ball, play the man

Lrp
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:44 am

Falun Gong is a spiritual movement persecuted by communist Chinese, you moron

MarkW
Reply to  Lrp
August 5, 2022 9:18 am

They are opposed by communists, therefore they are extreme conservatives.
No need to investigate any further.

ATheoK
Reply to  Lrp
August 5, 2022 12:16 pm

Giffie didn’t know that!

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Lrp
August 6, 2022 1:20 am

Well Lrp griff is in shameful company …..The reputationally disgraced Victoria Police in my home state supported the Chinese Communist dictatorship in 2019 when Box Hill police station raised the PRC flag over the station to celebrate the anniversary of one of the most barbaric and certainly the most genodical regime in human history – much to the hurt and revulsion of Melbourne’s Falun Gong, Tibetan Uighur and Hong Kong communities . A Victoria Police spokeswoman attempted to justify the ceremony rationalizing that it was to honor and respect the local Chinese communities which is pathetic because the Taiwanese flag has never been held aloft over the station to commemorate Taiwans national day ..Not very tolerant and considerate of those offended but thats the paramilitary wing of the Victorian Labor Party for you [ the premier of Victoria employed a United Front department officer as his advisor.].Over the last two years of draconian lockdowns they have even adopted the same brutalist methods of bullying and arresting journalists a film-maker and protest leaders They have an obsession with censorship and secrecy and one widely despised Victorian Police Assistant Commissioner quoted the mentoring words of an Australian Communist Party candidate .After mass resignations and an exodus of Victorians leaving the state , the force is now advertising for recruits to fill the vacancies ….I imagine a grub like griff would be welcome in their ranks ………………” WATCH : Victorian Police station raises Chinese flag : Its a Police Station Honoring a Police State ” https://caldronpool.com/watch-victorian-police-station-raises-chinese-flag-its-a-police-state-honouring-a-police-state/

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 5:44 am

If by “far right” you mean ardent anti-communist, then I agree.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
August 6, 2022 12:53 pm

Griff’s paychecks from soros & co. may be getting fewer… soros seems to be ‘in the crosshairs’ a bit recently… which is excellent progress… but he has SO many evil entities set up, it will take some time.

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 6:27 am

Epoch is as Far Right Extreme as Guardian is Far Left Extreme…better to stick with FoxNews

John Savage
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 7:59 am

I didn’t take you for a bigot before Griff. But now I see you are. Hmmm.

DonM
Reply to  John Savage
August 6, 2022 8:25 am

‘bigot’ doesn’t define him.

His defining feature is hypocritical liar; bigot is just a byproduct.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 8:09 am

“far right publication” … anything to the right of The Communist Manifesto.

As for the Falun Gong, the Communist tyrants squatting in Beijing brutalized this group for meditating and exercising in the park. Griff, a passive-aggressive emotional adolescent, lazily smears these victims of fascists.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:16 am

I see griff still judges authority based solely on ideological allegiance.

Slowroll
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 10:41 am

Why is being rational associated with far right? I guess that means lefties celebrate never facing reality.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 10:52 pm

Falun Gong is a far right religious sect griff ? ….You are a sick individual

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 12:45 pm

Anything connected to FACTS is determined by Griff to be “hardly a reliable source of information”. Regarding Falun Gong, you really should study their tenets… seem quite non-threatening to me… but then, ‘Fear’ is your thing, isn’t it?

Mike Bryant
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 5:14 pm

The Falun Gong are practicing free speech just like you are, Griff. When they tried that in China they were locked up. Many have been killed and had their organs harvested by the CCP.
Your condemnation of the Falun Gong says everything about your views on freedom. I don’t want your brave new world.

Tom Halla
August 5, 2022 3:58 am

I think Michael Crighton bringing up eugenics as a “scientific” fad that had malign consequences is in order.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 5, 2022 4:44 am

Possibly related, it’s at least statistically interesting that covid deaths in Australia are currently exceeding their previous peak.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Scissor
August 5, 2022 5:26 am

This is what happens when you try to eliminate the virus, and then drop all travel restrictions, and then enter winter. It was inevitable and obvious.

Meanwhile, in UK, infections seem to have peaked and are dropping. They will in Australia in summer too. It’s all quite natural.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 6:53 am

Except Australia has an extremely high vaccination rate! No one should be dying!
Everything they did was purposefully the wrong thing to do.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Matt Kiro
August 5, 2022 7:15 am

“…safe and effective…”

n.n
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 5, 2022 8:23 am

The mutagenic, renewable therapeutic is a safer and a viable choice in a minority high-risk cohort would be correct. That said, keep parents and babies away from planned parent/hood and Planned Parenthood institutions, facilities, and practices.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Matt Kiro
August 5, 2022 8:13 am

Stats show that unvaccinated cases have 9x the chance of being hospitalised. We have 90% vaccinated, and still half of hospitalisations are of the 10% unvaccinated.

The increase in deaths is because we kept the infection rates so low before vaccines were available by closing our borders. Basically a function of our geographical isolation which allowed us to keep the virus out.

In my town, for example, we had no infections except in a very few people who caught it elsewhere. Now they’re all getting it, which was an obvious effect of removing travel restrictions.

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Samuel Saunders McAllister
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 8:57 am

The covid vaccine does not stop any of the omricon variants. most of the people who have been vaccinated are being infected. My three daughters under workplace mandates were fully vaccinated and afterwards, cought the variant. They did not have to be hospitalized and recovered in a few days. My own doctor told me that vaccination also does not reduce the symptons of the omricon variant if you catch it! Statistics in Australia show that most deaths occur in the 50 to 90 year age group with most deaths in the 80 year old group and rare deaths in lower age groups.

Meab
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 10:23 am

I used to buy into that narrative until I saw the recent study on Israel vs. Palestine. Israel had 4x the rate of full vaccination as Palestine. The two countries have exactly the same Covid death rate per capita .079%.

Case rate is not a useful metric as that is as much a function of the testing rate as it is the actual case rate. The hospitalization rate is not useful because vaccinated people are far more likely to believe that they are protected from a severe case and are therefore much less likely to seek hospitalization. The actual measure of importance is the excess mortality rate, but that’s often hard to find (another failure of our public health officials). Absent excess mortality, the only measure you should look at is the death rate.

Scissor
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 12:49 pm

I believe that’s using Walensky’s statistical trick, whereby all cases from the very beginning are used to calculate a result.

Using the same methodology, over 90% of Australia’s covid deaths are post vaccine introduction.

R_G
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 5:32 pm

You have wrong information i.e. you are spreader of misinformation. Acording to the official data from NSW health department in 8 weeks (May – July) there were 798 deaths, of which 69% were triple/quadruple inoculatied and all others but two were double inoculated. Those remaining two had vaccination status unknown. Link to NSW page is: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Matt Kiro
August 5, 2022 1:27 pm

Same here in New Zealand too. Except that we have a Communist leader rather than a mere socialist!

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Scissor
August 6, 2022 12:56 pm

Well, see, it’s this “descendants of criminals” thingy… the Aussie authorities have decided to reduce crime.

fretslider
August 5, 2022 4:06 am

Some people are taking the green lies to real extremes.

“Far-left extremists in the Netherlands have threatened to attack farms in the country belonging to “right-wing nationalists”. The threat by far-left extremists in the Netherlands comes as farmers continue to fight EU green agenda measures in their country that could result in the closure of up to 30 per cent of livestock farms, something local government officials have decreed is part and parcel of an “unavoidable transition”.

According to a report by Der Telegraaf, extremists have threatened that they will soon occupy barns of “far-right nationalists” — also known as farmers trying to protect their livelihoods — in the country, and let lose livestock from their pens. “From next week we will occupy livestock farms and free the animals from the mega stables,” the publication reports one online declaration associated with the extremists as saying, who also took time to denounce the farmers themselves.

“They are right-wing nationalists and comparable to Nazis for the animals,” the post said, while urging netizens to join the so-called ‘Animals Defense Force’.”

Far-Left Threatens to Attack Businesses of ‘Right-Wing’ Dutch Farmers (breitbart.com)

Netherlands – European Test area #1 (Great Reset)

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 5:28 am

Where do these loonies think that their food comes from? The food fairy in the supermarket?

TonyG
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 5, 2022 8:41 am

Food comes from the store, Zig Zag. No need to have all those animals in barns, or to pick vegetables from that messy dirt!

Steve4192
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 6:16 am

Why do supposed animal lovers always choose forms of protest that wind up killing all the animals they think they are helping? It’s like those idiots who break into mink farms and set them all free, without realize that every last one of those farm-raised mink will be dead within days as nearby predators gorge themselves on a new food source.

What do they think will happen to those thousands of cattle roaming the Dutch countryside? Most of them will starve, and more than a few will die road accidents that will likely create human casualties as well. The animals would be better off if the greenies just culled them right there on the farm.

n.n
Reply to  Steve4192
August 5, 2022 8:28 am

Case-in-point: People for the [ethical] Euthanasia of Throwaway Animals

Don’t attend, but observe a pride of lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs in gay parade.

Go green, emit for a viable Earth.

Think of the carbon-based babies! #MeToo #HerToo #UsToo

MarkW
Reply to  Steve4192
August 5, 2022 9:21 am

I’ve talked to a few of these Mensa candidates. Those who have thought it through have decided that a death by carnivore is natural and therefore preferred compared to being euthanized for ones coat.

Archer
Reply to  Steve4192
August 5, 2022 11:45 am

A few of those mink did survive, and went on to ravage the native populations of water voles and mice. It took decades for them to recover.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 10:31 am

Well, maybe it’s about time to fight it out. Literally.

H.R.
Reply to  fretslider
August 6, 2022 8:34 pm

fretslider, the Dutch farmers have their backs against the wall, and they know it.

And… they have backhoes. Never mess with someone with a lot of acreage and a backhoe.

rah
August 5, 2022 4:09 am

Joe Bastardi and various others, including the Farmers Almanac are starting to project that a good part of the US will have a colder and more severe winter than we have seen in some time. Think 2013?

Based on those forecasts and the fact my home is heated with natural gas that is likely to double or triple in price this winter I decided it was time to install a fireplace insert.

My wife loves the ambiance of the open fire but on this one I overruled her.

I have a free source of cured hardwood that will be enough to last us the rest of our lives. All I have to do is cut it, split it, and store it. I have a lean-to off the back of my garage that holds more than 2 full cords. And will actually probably hold three or more when the wood is cut to the maximum 18″ length and split to the size optimum for use in the insert.

So I started shopping for a fireplace insert. Found what I wanted. The wood burning high efficiency noncatalytic unit is advertised to heat 2,000 sq. ft. More than enough for our home. With stainless steel ducting and cap, and an outside air kit, it cost me just under $2,400 new and delivered.

I went to the local fireplace shop to get a ballpark estimate on a similar unit they had including installation price. It was $7,000.

It was all my neighbor, and I could do to get it up over the steps of the deck and in the back door even after taking the firebrick out of it, but it now sits in the living room next to the fireplace awaiting installation.

First step was to call the chimney sweep we have used in the past. I will have him do his thing before I begin installation and since he is certified he can give me tips on the installation.

One thing I was relieved to find was that the slot in the back of my fireplace where ash is dumped will work perfectly for a route to supply the unit with outside air.

I figure that the unit will pay for itself in less than three winters. Thankfully this Hoosier lives in a place where it is highly unlikely the climate wackos can push through any ban on burning.

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c1ue
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 5:29 am

I wouldn’t assume anything. There are all sorts of pending legislation and wannabe restrictions on particulate emissions i.e. wood burning – which is why the SCOTUS pruneback on EPA’s diktat limits is so important. At least now the rules are more likely to be state-based vs federal.

joe x
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 6:11 am

rah, you under estimate the value of your payback. when interruptions in ng supply occur, the cost to repair water damage and burst frozen pipes just once will give you a net gain.

when people think of rolling black outs or power outages, electricity comes to mind. we must also include ng in the outage mix. i can’t think of a better energy source for heating a home or business than ng. the globalist/leftists know this. those who think ng to their home as 100% reliable are fools.

ng will be used as a weapon against the mass’s.

rah
Reply to  joe x
August 5, 2022 7:17 am

I guess it is certainly possible that NG supply would be interrupted but a main gas line runs underground on the opposite side of the road that passes in front of my house. The line that supplies my house runs right off it through a pressure stepdown unit. So we shall see.

At my place so far electrical service has been the greater concern since I am near the end of the line for the utility that supplies it and the lines pass through lots of woods before they get to my place. We lose power here about three times a year typically for a duration of 3-5 hours each time.

Several years ago, after an ice storm we lost power for three days. When that happened I spliced into the power line that ran to my furnace and put in a plug and receptacle so I can supply the power to the furnace to run my furnace using my generator. In addition to the furnace the generator is big enough to supply electricity for my refrigerator and a few lights and TV. But my well pump, water heater, and stove are all electric and 220 V and I can’t run them.

The obvious answer is to put in a whole house generator having duel fuel capability with transfer box and run it off NG when available and have an LP tank to run it in case of NG interruption. But that is a bit beyond my budget.

joe x
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 7:24 am

beyond my budget as well, but we do the best we can.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 1:42 pm

120V gasoline-powered generators work fine for lights, a fridge, or two, and gas or oil fired heating systems. Rather than splicing and un-splicing the heating system, I spent a few bucks on a ‘Manual Generator Transfer Switch’,which piggy backs on to my emergency cut-off switch. I just toggle the switch to ‘generator’ and plug in my extension cord as needed. Saves time and no need to deal with any wiring in the dark.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 11:13 am

Storing wood next to the house can bring mice, snakes and Termites Rah, be watchful of that. Best to stack it on treated boards for the summer.

rah
Reply to  Pop Piasa
August 5, 2022 1:04 pm

The garage is detached and has a block foundation with aluminum siding. I have termite spikes in around it and use antguard which keeps the ants away pretty well.

It is one of my projects to replace it eventually with a 2 1/2 car attached garage and convert the old garage to a screened in patio since it is right next to my composite deck that I put in a few years ago.

The biggest problem I have with insects are the boring bees which go after the lean-too because it is not sheathed in metal.

John Hultquist
Reply to  rah
August 5, 2022 1:52 pm

I have a free-standing wood stove with a catalytic burner.
I cut and stack wood for the following year — in a very dry hot summer climate.
Often the recommendation is for 2 years; 11% moisture.
Get one of these to check: Wood Digital Moisture MeterMine is a Stihl (under $20 when I bought it), but Amazon has dozens.
You may want to have sources of H2O in the house to up the R.H.; but
again, it depends on your climate.
I only have one hardwood, and not much of it. It is a small thorn tree.
One of the thorns pierced the sidewall of a truck tire, requiring replacement.
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rah
Reply to  John Hultquist
August 6, 2022 1:13 am

Much of the hardwood from my source is has already cured whole and free standing. IOW they were dead standing trees. The moisture measuring meter is a great idea though. Thanks! I’ll get one.

David Dibbell
August 5, 2022 4:35 am

“What bothers me most about the climate crisis is the opportunity cost, the needless economic pain people endure.”

Excellent point, Eric. And the wasted time and effort can never be recovered.

fretslider
Reply to  David Dibbell
August 5, 2022 4:48 am

“What bothers me most about the climate crisis is…”

I’ve yet to experience it. It’s always somewhere else – usually more exotic.

Cue griff and two hot days…

Matt Kiro
Reply to  fretslider
August 5, 2022 7:04 am

exactly. There are plenty of weather events every year, but I have yet to see any climate crises. Places near rivers can flood, deserts experience years of drought. These are part of the climate of those area, not symptoms of change.

Quelgeek
August 5, 2022 4:42 am

You talk of opportunity costs and “it will still take many years more, to undo the damage”.

I fear you suffer from a normalcy bias. You badly underestimate the problem. The chilling effect on manufacturing investment when governments embrace Net Zero will be terminal. There will be no undoing it. Once manufacturing leaves it can’t and won’t ever come back. You give up the infrastucture it needs. You lose the skills the workforce needs. You lose the customer base. You lose the supply chains and logistics. You lose it all. Forever.

Factor in the use of the banking and insurance industries being recruited to enforce the policies and the job is done. End of.

My wife has had a tiny taste of what happens when the government burdens the banks with policing its new rules. The banks are not competent to do the job but do it they must. Under the threat of severe penalties the banks err on the side of caution and refuse service. There is no appeal.

commieBob
August 5, 2022 5:00 am

I always thought that, when green policies really start to harm people, the population will rise in rebellion. Lately, I have seen more and more green madness without much push back. I was beginning to despair. Then Sri Lanka happened.

Sri Lanka passed green (it’s really a four letter word) laws to force agriculture to go organic practically overnight. Of course agriculture collapsed. You really have to be well educated not to have predicted that. (With enough education you will believe anything, no matter how stupid.) The result is that the Sri Lanka president’s residence was overrun by the people in a manner that makes Jan. 6 look really tame. The president has resigned.

Michael Shellenburger has this to say about the situation.

commieBob
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 5:02 am

With enough education you will believe anything, no matter how stupid.

Defund the universities!

Derg
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 5:27 am

This ^

Quelgeek
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 5:17 am

We’ll never know, but I suspect the organic push was really to conserve foreign exchange reserves. If you don’t buy fertilizer it slows the losses and gives you a bit more time at the trough.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Quelgeek
August 5, 2022 7:11 am

Except their two main exports are rice and tea, and those suffered horrific % losses because of the lack of fertilizer. So their foreign exchange reserves crashed with nothing to export.

DaveS
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 5:28 am

The Dutch government seems to be intent on following a similar path.

Doonman
Reply to  DaveS
August 5, 2022 8:00 am

Along with Canada.

griff
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 8:53 am

Because it couldn’t afford to import fertiliser.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:25 am

So the government mandating organic farming and banning fertilizer had nothing to do with it?

Do you really believe the rest of the world is as ignorant as you make yourself seem?

Kevin kilty
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 10:14 am

Not being able to afford fertilizer? They couldn’t afford not to. The problem was they’d been led to believe they could right the books by foregoing fertilizer; led to believe this by people who had no experience in the matter and no understanding. It’s like saving money in running a motel by not cleaning rooms…

commieBob
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 11:28 am

Sigh … I weep for our dear griff. I cling to the belief that he’s not really that ignorant and stupid, just ideologically possessed. I suppose it could be all three though. Something like that.

Any successful business person will immediately see why griff is not even wrong. I suggest he start a business. It would lead to less bloviation and more in-touch-with-reality comments.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 12:05 pm

Griff has demonstrated the ability to cut and paste from things he reads and almost understands. However, he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to defend his claims by participating in an exchange. Indeed, he acts as though there is no need to defend his claims. Therefore, I’ll have to go with the hypothesis that he is “ignorant and stupid.”

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  commieBob
August 6, 2022 1:10 pm

I’d sure like to see the list of any businesses he could ‘start’, let alone run.

Slowroll
Reply to  commieBob
August 5, 2022 10:47 am

“Some ideas are so ludicrous that only an intellectual would believe them”… said by I believe, George. Orwell.

Scott snell
August 5, 2022 5:19 am

The Epoch Times is a great publication with a lousy name, which makes it sound like some end-of-days apocalyptic newsletter.

Straight reporting, not too much bias. No inflammatory conclusions. Just the facts, ma’am.

griff
Reply to  Scott snell
August 5, 2022 8:52 am

It is primarily intended to put out anti Chinese propaganda and is resolutely biased toward the loon end of the right wing spectrum

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:26 am

griff, like most socialists declares that reality is nothing more than anti-communist propaganda.

BTW, do you have any evidence to support your beliefs or is that just what the Guardian told you to believe?

Last edited 7 days ago by MarkW
commieBob
Reply to  MarkW
August 5, 2022 11:45 am

When you start getting flack, you’re probably over the target. So there’s that.

My Chinese relatives will not be seen within a mile of the Falun Gong. Whether or not the Epoch Times is the propaganda arm of the Falun Gong, they still treat it like cholera. You could say that’s because China is a totalitarian society with no concept of free speech.

On the other hand, I fear and loathe the woke social justice warriors who surround me. That’s why I post anonymously. America, and Canada even worse, do have a free speech problem.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  commieBob
August 6, 2022 6:16 am

So too Victoria Australia and the United Kingdom …..Recently a British Army veteran was arrested by some horrible police in a part of England troubled by unsolved violent crimes , for re-posting a satirical meme featuring four Pride flags arranged to look like a Hakenkreutz swastika . Retired police officer Harry Miller [ who once took the College of Policing to court after he received a lecture by some dumb copper who took a ” ladybrains” course and had never heard of George Orwell ] was arrested for defending him …The man who originated the meme – actor Laurence Fox – was present to film the disgraceful incident yet was not arrested .All the veteran did was re-post the offending meme ..So one was left with the impression the cowardly Woke inquisitor police turned up intent on making an example of a veteran whom they suspected the general public may not sympathize with or generate as much outrage as the arrest of a famous actor .. The United Kingdom is also fast becoming a totalitarian society with no concept of free speech

DMacKenzie
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:31 am

Anything not “woke enough”, seems to invoke claims of loony right wing bias in Griff. Odd that our least biased news reporting now comes from Al Jazeera and Gravitas out of India.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  DMacKenzie
August 6, 2022 9:12 pm

The Qatari channel Al Jazeera is terribly biased [ particularly the Palestinian nationalist cause ] and promotes global warming alarmist propaganda …. ….The least biased reporting comes from GB News and Sky News Australia

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
August 6, 2022 9:13 pm

Kudos to the Federalist and the Gateway Pundit

Kevin kilty
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 10:16 am

Intended to end the happy talk about China — lifting the veil so to speak.

Lrp
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 12:22 pm

Persecuted people whose organs are harvested by the communist Chinese, you moron

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  griff
August 6, 2022 5:57 am

You are a liar griff ..The Epoch Times produces content critical of the Chinese Communist Party – not ” anti Chinese propaganda “

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
August 6, 2022 1:14 pm

Critical difference! Thanks.

jeffery P
August 5, 2022 6:16 am

Again, carbon dioxide is a red herring. CO2 is the WMD of the War on Western Civilization. The goal isn’t reduction of GHG, the goal is to destroy western civilization and build back better with a globalist government of elites.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  jeffery P
August 5, 2022 8:15 am

Thankfully, I’ve looked in the Book: The next one world government will be the Lord’s. The demonically inspired, criminally insane lunatics currently working so feverishly toward their own globalist fever dream will ultimately fail, despite all the real damage they are inflicting.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Matthew Schilling
August 6, 2022 1:15 pm

When it fails, it will have been the result of real Fighters here on earth.

griff
Reply to  jeffery P
August 5, 2022 8:51 am

Lunatic conspiracy theory.

why would anyone need to invent such a complex idea and rope so many into it to get world domination.

and the rich and the elites already have about as many yachts, private jets, mansions as they can use

MarkW
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 9:28 am

I guess the fact that your masters have stated that this is their goal is irrelevant.

jeffery P
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 11:23 am

Did you just wake from a coma? Spend your life in a cave, did ya? People driven by power and control never have enough.

Slowroll
Reply to  jeffery P
August 5, 2022 10:48 am

Bingo

August 5, 2022 7:00 am

For the sake of clarity and truth, the Keystone pipeline has been in operation for years. It is the Keystone XL portion which was stupidly cancelled by Pedo Joe.

tgasloli
August 5, 2022 7:21 am

“Sooner or later the voters will tire…”

Maybe, but with the majority of all political parties bought off by the “investors” in “renewables” it will likely be too late for any change.

Add to that the looming US bankruptcy and we are doomed.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  tgasloli
August 5, 2022 8:18 am

Exactly! We The People are not the customers of politicians, nor have we been for quite some time.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  tgasloli
August 6, 2022 1:18 pm

Bannon was fiery @ CPAC.

Doonman
August 5, 2022 7:36 am

Remember, people who want to lower your standard of living are not your friends.

Matthew Schilling
August 5, 2022 8:10 am

Climastrology is Lysenkoism for the Criminally Insane.

n.n
August 5, 2022 8:11 am

Go Green [blight] for redistributive change and renewable, intermittent, unreliable energy. Go green, emit, for a viable world. Think of the carbon-based babies of green (BOG), babies of pink (BOP), etc.

August 5, 2022 8:34 am

For every winner there is a loser. Follow the money. The Green New Deal is creating energy shortages driving windfall profits at the expense of taxpayes and ratepayers.

The exact opposite of what was advertised. Why? Because no one stopped to ask where the additional energy needed to build the green economy was going to come from.

Instead of oil and gas to run the old economy we must now run the old economy while building an untried green economy. At least double the cost.

Kevin kilty
August 5, 2022 8:35 am

Opportunity costs galore,yes. Foregone wealth too, but also ruining current wealth. But much of it accommodating the usual sausage-making and log rolling in D.C. In order to get the stupidly misnamed Inflation Reduction Act passed the Dems agreed to allow Manchin the Mountain Valley Pipeline to be finished, and Sinema to service her big donors. Well, if the MVP can be finished then why not Keystone? You see, there is no consistency or reasoning here. Nothing but posing fakers, lies, and save-the-appearances twisted logic.

Last century there were many examples of people being far more comfortable with murdering hundreds of millions, and oppressing billions, rather than admit failure of their ideas. So, what exactly will put an end to this current madness, or more precisely the current half dozen or so manias currently in progress?

mwhite
August 5, 2022 8:35 am

British people are literally sitting on vast reserves of shale gas
Not just the shale reserves, the coal beneath the UK is full of gas.

griff
Reply to  mwhite
August 5, 2022 8:49 am

They aren’t – at least not enough to make a difference to price or supply, says the British Geological survey and the former head of Centrica (a major energy firm)

Dave Gee
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 2:22 pm

You do write a load of cock Griff – what drives it?

Perhaps you must have been looking at a different British Geological Survey website – there may well be two of them.

Here’s a quote from the one I looked at ….

“Andrews (2013) estimated a total gas-in-place estimate for the Bowland Shale Formation and Hodder Mudstone Formation between 822 and 2281 trillion cubic feet (tcf). As a comparison, the total gas consumption in 2018 in the UK was 2.98 tcf. Since then, other estimates have suggested the total gas-in-place volume could be considerably less (around 140 tcf; Whitelaw et al., 2019). ”

Or maybe you might consider ….

Hard coal
The UK has identified hard coal resources of 3 910 million tonnes, although total resources could be as large as 187 billion tonnes. There are 33 million tonnes of economically recoverable reserves available at operational and permitted mines, plus a further 344 million tonnes at mines in planning. There are also about 1 000 million tonnes of lignite resources, mainly in Northern Ireland, although no lignite is mined. This significant coal resource base is, however, rendered largely irrelevant by policies designed to drive coal out of the energy mix and a hostile planning environment for surface mines.”

You might want to just stick “syngas” into your favourite search engine and spend a moment or two reviewing the figures there as well.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2022 6:30 pm

Centrica is intrinsically biased. They are trying to divest the gas supply side of their business and heavily buy more renewables – they were also one of the first to set up a heat pump installation section. They have been firmly against fracking and dor more unreliables – not an honest broker.

Gyan1
August 5, 2022 10:30 am

The Epoch Times is a great story of its own. The founder fled China and is trying to prevent the US from becoming the authoritarian state he left.

Richard M
August 5, 2022 11:27 am

The Big Green Lie—that carbon dioxide is a pollutant—is so pervasive that even those considered skeptics—including right-wing NGOs and pundits—generally adhere to the orthodoxy, differing not in their stated belief that CO2 is a pollutant but only in how calamitous a pollutant it is.

This is one of the biggest problems. Many skeptics accept the false premise that increasing CO2 produces some warming via 3.7 W/m2 of downwelling IR.

Doesn’t happen. There is no 1 C of warming from 2X CO2. The reason is a lack of understanding of immediate negative feedbacks from the boundary layer. And, without this initial warming, there are no positive feedbacks.

The increase in downwelling IR from doubling CO2 is either immediately countered due to thermal equilibrium processes or results in increased evaporation. No surface warming occurs

Danley Wolfe
August 5, 2022 11:36 am

Sorry but …. The Epoch Times is a little bit too far right even for most of us who follow WUWT… it lacks all credibility.

Gyan1
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
August 5, 2022 4:26 pm

Much like WUWT, the Epoch Times covers stories and information legacy media ignores or outright lies about. They display some bias but have exponentially better journalistic integrity than mainstream propaganda factories.

Truthful facts are not right wing. Brainwashed leftists believe any information contrary to their delusions is right wing as a way to preserve cognitive dissonance.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
August 6, 2022 1:23 pm

A lot of your ego, there… “even for most of us who follow WUWT”. When was your survey done?

Rod Evans
August 5, 2022 12:54 pm

Can I remind everyone Griff is nothing but a paid troll whose roll in the Climate debates is to be a contrarian. He has no intention of engaging in debate or even reading the endless rebuttals to his comments. His role is to flood the site with comments contradicting real science. His inane postings are meant to flood the comments and the more people that do that the happier he/she/it is.
It may be better to ignore Griff and let the unsupported posts he/she/it places be the equivalent of talking to an empty room.

Danley Wolfe
August 5, 2022 2:59 pm

The problem with trolls like Griff – is legitimate posters feel it necessary to respond … and like this post it turns into a Griff Post not a WUWT post. I highlighted the times Griff was mentioned in this post and it is too many to count … so Griff wins What’s Up with That becomes Griff Too Many to Count. So in that sense Griff won !!!! Better to just ignore these types and stick to the topic of the post and not Griff. Griff is a Grifter.
No. of mentions of “Griff”

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Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
August 6, 2022 6:24 am

Griff is one Todd Huffman

observa
August 5, 2022 6:40 pm

Sooner or later voters will tire of waiting for the promised low cost energy renewables are supposed to deliver,

Howsabout right now because we got human rights?
Enough is enough: this winter I will be refusing to pay my energy bills (msn.com)
Make them pay to fix the climate instead-
It’s time to ban private jets – or at least tax them to the ground (msn.com)

August 5, 2022 6:42 pm

The problem is what ever comes up in the first couple of entries on the the first page of Google (or most search engines) is what the Sheepeople believe. I have experimented with different quires for example:“how many rich AGW activists actually live in completely off grid houses and have a truly “sustainable” life style. What often comes up is a bunch of AGM propaganda ie the settled science, CO2 , forcing , etc etc before you actually get down the list and then maybe if your lucky that is , actually get a responsive answer to the specific question. Oh the answer to that question above is None.

Andy Espersen
August 5, 2022 10:50 pm

“Sooner or later voters will tire of waiting for the promised low cost energy renewables are supposed to deliver, but when they finally awaken, it will still take many years more, to undo the damage this madness has caused”.

Like “observa” below, I copy and paste the last sentence in the article. It will be sooner rather than later!! And it should not take a very long time to undo the damage from the madness:

It’s the Economy, Stupid”. I am an optimist – and I have great faith in our democratic, electoral system. The up-coming mid-term elections in the United States will be the game changer. Trump ideas (but most likely not including Trump as a presidential candidate!) will win. Watch this space – and listen to the anguished screams from the woke, panicked alarmists.

observa
Reply to  Andy Espersen
August 6, 2022 1:51 am

Yes it’s their stupid prescriptions that will bring them undone but even their settled science meme is under siege everywhere-
Extinct Pathogens Ushered The Fall of Ancient Civilizations, Scientists Say (msn.com)
They’ve ridden the social media wave with their dooming and message control but when the greenouts seriously kick in they’ll find it can turn on them quickly with a vengeance.

Kevin
August 7, 2022 7:22 am

“Secular perversity thus uncritically assumes that, if indeed there exists some ‘flaw” or ‘fault’ operating to prevent the fulfillment of human potential, the place to look for such a fault was in ‘nature’ when, in point of fact, the fault is not in ‘nature’, but in the construction placed upon it by the human mind. To make this assumption is to suppose that man begins, so to speak, where nature leaves off; that the human task is to perfect the imperfection of nature’s handiwork. In other words, it is idolatry in its most subtle and seductive manifestation, the worship of man by himself.”
 
* Charles Cochrane

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