Ability of mankind to solve problems is beyond imagination

Message to governments: Don’t kill human creativity with political stupidity

By Franco Battaglia and Guus Berkhout

This is from an interview of Professor Guus Berkhout by Professor Franco Battaglia, published July 20, 2022 in La Verità, a daily newspaper in Italy. Berkhout is a retired professor of geophysics from the Technical University of Delft and a co-founder of CLINTEL. Battaglia is a professor of chemistry at Università degli Studi di Modena e Reggio Emilia.

Q: Can you tell me something about CLINTEL?

A: Climate Intelligence (CLINTEL) is an independent foundation active in the field of climate change and energy transition. CLINTEL was initiated by emeritus professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout with the objective to make the many critical climate organizations around the world combine forces and work closely together against one-sided information and false conclusions promoted in the news media. CLINTEL was founded by Guus Berkhout and science journalist Marcel Crok (author of the book The State of the Climate) in March 2019.

The Clintel mission is: “Bringing Climate Knowledge to the World”. The “World” means mainstream climate scientists, green energy engineers, model-driven policy makers and (supra)national political leaders. In the coming year, the judiciary and the general public will receive extra attention from CLINTEL. Not only in The Netherlands and Europe, but worldwide. An important opportunity will be Clintel’s presence in the forthcoming high-profile Shell lawsuit.

CLINTEL’s climate vision can be simply summarized by: “There is no climate emergency”. We formulated the World Climate Declaration (WCD), a one-page summary of what scientific climate realists agree upon. In a few words, the WCD states that global warming is a fact but not a crisis, the cause of global warming has large natural components, more CO2 in the atmosphere is a blessing, and climate measures must be focused on adaptation. Currently, the WCD has been signed by more than thousand scientists and engineers. Both the Declaration and the list of signatories (arranged per country) can be found at www.clintel.org.

The ambition of CLINTEL is to generate and collect knowledge about, and understanding of, the causes and consequences of climate change as well as the effects of climate policy on the energy and food system, both determining the welfare and well-being of the world.

Signatories constitute a close network of climate and energy experts. It makes CLINTEL a strong organization with a wealth of operational knowledge. To keep in close contact with all countries around the world, CLINTEL has appointed ambassadors that provide firsthand information on the latest developments in each country.

Q: Considering your large international exposure as leader of CLINTEL, are you worried about the future?

A: No, I am very hopeful and let me explain why. In the past centuries, faith and superstition have been replaced by rational thinking (“Age of Enlightenment”). For instance, by rational thinking it became clear that extreme weather is not in the hands of mysterious gods but it is determined by a complex interplay of natural forces. Another example shows that, step by step, primitive medicine men became the qualified doctors of today. And, last but not least, enlightened thinkers initiated a continuous flow of great technological developments in all sectors of society. As a result, the quality of life has greatly improved.

Surprisingly, we only hear doom and gloom from the media. According to them, the world is collapsing due to the influence of man. But hard facts show the opposite. Did you know that (i) in the past 100 years the number of people on our planet increased from 1.9 billion in 1922 to 7.9 billion in 2022, while global life expectation increased from 40 to 73 years, (ii) the number of people who died by natural catastrophes decreased by more than 90%, and (iii) there were never so many people taking care of the natural environment, etc., etc. What a hopeful perspective!

LIFE EXPECTANCY IS THE BEST SINGLE MEASURE FOR QUALITY OF LIFE. The increase of world life expectancy with increasing world population (more people, more brains, more creative power) is the best evidence against the evil Malthusian movement and WEF’s destructive Great Reset ideology.

However, if we stop thinking rationally, if we stop investing in truthful science and education, if we stop setting the right priorities in technological development, if we stop improving the agricultural productivity, then progress will stop. That is what I fight against.

Q: Can you give an example of setting wrong priorities in technology?

A: Today’s huge technological investments that try to stop climate change are a historical mistake. If we study the past and present, we see that the cause of climate change has large natural components, the combination of solar irradiation and oceanic behavior being by far the most important. Thinking that we can stop climate change by decreasing the CO2-concentration in the atmosphere is not only naive, but also an outrageous waste of money. The cost is huge, the benefit miniscule.

What must be done is: 1) accept climate change as an unavoidable natural phenomenon, 2) better understand the climate system with truthful science and 3) adapt to its continuous changes by developing effective adaptation technologies. To illustrate the importance of early adaptation, see three topical examples on floods, droughts and energy shortages:

  • Look at last year’s flood crisis in Western Europe (Limburg, Ardennes, Eifel). The large amount of casualties and the enormous material damage were the result of administrative incompetence. Deforestation, canalization, asphalting and more solar farms were the real causes. Water couldn’t get into the soil and caused levels to rise superfast, leading to a huge flood. With the debris taken with it, the damage was enormous. Brussel’s plan for more logging will make it even worse in the future, giving green administrators the opportunity to blame the climate even more.
  • This brings me to this year’s drought in the Po delta. Droughts in deltas are increasingly caused by – yes again – administrative incompetence. Outdated water management strategies aim at mitigating floods by rapidly draining excess water (see also previous point), while the opposite need be done. Excess water should be taken up by the soil and stored into freshwater basins. In dry periods the stored water is available for the ever-increasing local water demands, the latter being mainly due to expansion of agricultural land use and related intensification of groundwater extraction. Again, don’t blame climate change!
  • Look also at the current energy shortage. That is not (only) the fault of the Ukraine-Russian war, but it is (entirely) the fault of incompetent governments who banned investments in fossil fuels. An old Dutch saying states: “Never throw away old shoes, before you have bought new ones”. Wind turbines and solar panels are not only extremely expensive and space intensive, but they are also unpredictable energy suppliers and, therefore, they require a huge back-up system. So, totally unsuitable to replace the current energy infrastructure (‘the old shoes’). Using hydrogen for storage purposes involves big energy losses and makes the renewable circus even more foolish. Did you know that in the current global energy mix, 80% is fossil fuels and only 2% is wind and solar?

Q: In your country citizens don’t trust the government anymore and farmers make an uproar. How could this happen?

A: The green policy of Western governments has nothing to do with the real world, nor with honest science, nor with common sense. The CO2-crisis is artificial, constructed by climate alarmists who, with their pitch-black scenarios, have Western governments and parliaments in their power. To formulate it nicely, Western administrators are naïve and do not (want to) realize how essential the role of CO2 is in nature. Bear in mind, climate change is much more than CO2, and CO2 is much more than climate change. Isn’t CO2 the raw material for all life on Earth? Looking at total costs and benefits, isn’t more CO2 in the atmosphere a blessing for mankind and nature? In the Netherlands citizens see that green policies are pushing them into poverty. Poor citizens. We see that the fake climate crisis is leading to a real economic crisis!

And then there is the fake nitrogen crisis. According to the militant Dutch green movement, the use of fertilizers by farmers is causing a NH3-disaster to adjacent heath areas. Poor farmers. Why should innovative agriculture make way for artificial nature on artificial pieces of poor land? Isn’t NH3 indispensable to ensure sufficient food in the future? Let us hope that the fake nitrogen crisis does not lead to a real food crisis!

Dutch farmers are inventive and are willing to put their heart and soul into further harmony between intensive agriculture and nature. But only in cooperation with administrators with common sense. And right they are.

Q: What is according to you the solution to stop the transition to darkness?

A: I have three principal recommendations:

  1. Today’s government policies are driven by computer models. However, the results of those models are completely determined by what the modelmakers put into them. Modelmakers can set up a model in such a way that it produces whatever the financier wants to see. Politicians are fond of models. In governmental research institutes, scientists follow instructions to set up ‘scientific’ models in such a way that the outcome favors the intended governmental policy. They then blatantly claim that the outcome is scientifically sound. My advice is to ban the use of politics-driven ‘scientific’ models all together. Those false models push us back into the dark times of superstition.
  2. History tells us that scientific breakthroughs were always initiated by new and better measurements. Think of the spectacular developments in telescopes and microscopes, such as the recent James Webb space telescope. This stunning imaging instrument searches for the first galaxies that were formed in the early universe. The first pictures are spectacular. Think also of the newest Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite, GOES-T, for weather observing and environmental monitoring. My advice is to heavily invest in high-quality observation systems that can accurately measure the complex properties of the Earth’s atmosphere, land surfaces and ocean behavior in both space and time. Better measurements will show us the way forward!
  3. Today, we see that supranational organizations – such as the WEF, IMF, World Bank, IPCC, UNFCCC, WHO, FAO, etc. – bring global regulations that overrule national laws. The worrying trend is that they want to establish a so-called ‘World Government’ that tells national governments what to do. However, individual countries (often with very diverse regions) are very dissimilar and, therefore, their national needs and opportunities are very different from each other. They all require tailor-made approaches and solutions. Coming up with one uniform global regulation will be counterproductive. In addition, it will be the end of the Western democracies.

When the voice of the people no longer comes through in government and parliament, democracy fails. This means that regulation of undemocratic, unelected supranational organizations must NEVER overrule national law. In addition, to undo the enormous green damage, we urgently need in each Western country a national RECOVERY CABINET with a competent team of PROJECT-MINISTERS, who know the content of their portfolio inside out and who are not the playthings of supranational bodies, rigged advisory committees (who already know what the outcome is expected to be), commercial research firms (who think of a follow-up assignment while they are writing their proposal) and cunning lobbyists (who plunder the big subsidy pots).

In conclusion, false scientific models have given (supra)national organizations a license to experiment with the global energy and food system. As expected, the outcome is catastrophic. If you are not yet convinced, have a close look at Germany. This country has worldwide the largest share of renewables in its energy system (about 20%). As a result, its energy supply has become unreliable, and its energy prices have become unaffordable. Don’t blame the climate or the Ukraine-Russian war. In Germany, the fake climate crisis has caused a real energy crisis!

And have also a close look at Sri Lanka. This country was persuaded by the supranational elites to make its national agriculture system sustainable by banning its fertilizers and its traditional crop protection. As a result, not only did the country’s food exports collapse, but now Sri Lanka cannot feed its own people. In Sri Lanka, the fake sustainability crisis has caused a real food crisis.

Despite these dramatic realities, the global ‘Great Reset’ circus continues. Every human activity must be NET ZERO: Net zero CO2 (no fossil fuels for energy), net zero NH3 (no fertilizers for agriculture), and what is next …..net zero CH4? Germany and Sri Lanka give us convincing evidence of what we can expect on a global scale. I advise all green utopists to critically evaluate the great harm they are doing to the world.

From a July 15, 2022, interview of Guus Berkhout, by Franco Battaglia on the supposed climate crisis.

Professor Battaglia plays a leading role in the critical climate community of Italy and Professor Berkhout is president of CLINTEL.

This is the full interview, the version published in Italian, in La Verità, has been edited down a bit for space. Andy May improved the English a little.

The featured image is a cartoon by Peter Schrank from The Economist, July 15, 2021.

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Oldseadog
July 21, 2022 2:16 pm

The headline is “Message to governments”.

The question is how do we get governments to listen to the message and then to act on it?

I ain’t holding my breath.

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Rud Istvan
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 21, 2022 2:47 pm

Vote. Macron is neutered. BoJo is gone. Biden will be. AOC, dunno; New York is as crazy as she is.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 22, 2022 1:32 pm

“Look also at the current energy shortage. That is not (only) the fault of the Ukraine-Russian war, but it is (entirely) the fault of incompetent governments who banned investments in fossil fuels”

Even the Ukraine-Russian war (and the emboldenment of China) is the fault of incompetent governments

yirgach
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 21, 2022 3:53 pm

Mr. Putin has another message to governments:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549739123736514560

Old Man Winter
Reply to  yirgach
July 21, 2022 5:56 pm

Brandon’s plan was to shut down any way to increase energy supplies so $5+ gas would be permanent, creating high inflation too. They would then continue with solar & wind (SAW)
expansion. By beng weak on the S border & in Afghanistan, that signaled to China, Russia, & the Islamists they could do whatever they wanted without US interference, which set the
world up for unnecessary crises. When Putin invaded the Ukraine, Brandon began to act
tough & gave Ukraine weapons as well as an embargo against that “evil” Putin for doing
what he had invited him to do, ensuring Europe would eventually get cut off from Russian
energy. So now Europe’s getting red pilled on its nutty Net Zero & the economies there face
recession at least & a possible collapse of their industrial base. While Europe’s gain of a
cold splash of reality at the cost of their economies could be the best thing to happen to
them, it probably won’t be as they’re still too married to the Green Agenda, which has been
a force in Europe for 40-50 yrs.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2022/07/21/biden-climate-adviser-gina-mccarthy-says-biden-will-move-forward-with-every-power-available-to-him-to-make-the-change-and-shift-to-clean-energy-to-get-rid-of-fossil-fuels/

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 22, 2022 3:48 am

I often wonder if we should not try and target certain politicians and have them personally invited to some of the best presentations.

Consider William Wilberforce, a brilliant young orator. When he raised the issue of slavery and its abolition, he was a lone voice in English politics. His constitutency knew and supported him as an independent for his whole political career. He slowly gathered a group of likeminded people and even though it took more than a generation his views prevailed.

We do not have thirty years to convince people about the foolishness of climate alarmism but many small groups with the same strong convictions that draw in younger people may be effective.

IanE
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 22, 2022 5:56 am

Horses, water, drinking.

Reply to  IanE
July 22, 2022 8:50 am

Sadly, virtually none of the woke green advocates will understand your comment.

Nik
July 21, 2022 2:25 pm

Yes, we humans are so good at solving problems that some of us invent new problems out of non-problems, so that we can waste trillions of $$ and wreck economies solving these problems so that we can feel virtuous.

LdB
Reply to  Nik
July 21, 2022 9:08 pm

We could change the title to
“Ability of mankind to create non existent problems is beyond imagination”

Tom Halla
July 21, 2022 2:27 pm

It is usually replacing a group of politicians rather than convincing the incumbents of their error. The greens cannot admit their philosophy is fundamentally wrongheaded, so voting them out is the solution.

Rud Istvan
July 21, 2022 2:43 pm

Nice interview. Echo the sentiments, but very much doubt Clintel will be as successful as hoped. Facts and rational thinking do nothing against what amounts to warmunist religious fervor.

There are just 2 things that will (eventually) bring a halt to the religious fervor:

  1. Public ridicule of their continuing failed climate predictions. There are many easy personalizable targets, like Wadhams on summer Arctic ice, Hansen on sea level rise, Sterling on polar bears, Dessler on anything… Not so easy via MSM, but very easy on growing uncensored alternative internet channels. All IPCC lead authors are increasingly vulnerable as their indelible IPCC pronouncements fail to materialize. One AR6/CMIP6 example suffices. The newest, ‘most improved’ climate models widened rather than narrowed the uncertainty range for ECS! OOPS.
  2. A true catastrophe caused by their renewables solutions. For one likely example, the UK grid goes dark from lack of wind in a midwinter Arctic high, so many die. Gas furnaces still have electrical controls and fans. Black grid restart takes at least a week. Regrettable, but probably necessary to wake the woke like BoJo up.
Editor
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 21, 2022 6:59 pm

Rud,

very much doubt Clintel will be as successful 

You know I admire you and read your stuff. But no successful worldwide fight, toward sanity or toward idiocy, can be successful if the battle is fought on one front. WUWT, Climate, Etc., CO2Coalition.org are wonderful organizations, but they are U.S. based. The U.S. is a small fraction of the world, and the climate alarmists want the whole world.

We need our European partners, Clintel.org, NoTricksZone.com, GWPF, and the wonderful Joannenova.com.au in Australia, and many others I am pissing off by not mentioning them. I have noticed my posts magically appear in Germany, Thailand, Indonesia, Korea, Thailand, France, and Poland.

The best revolutions against stupidity, are ground-up revolutions. Otherwise, stupidity wins. History tells us this time and again. Support our friends overseas, the loss of our freedom to a world government is a loss shared with everyone.

Doonman
Reply to  Andy May
July 21, 2022 8:59 pm

The New World Order has latched on to the green thinking religion which casts humans as the Pariahs of Gaia. It used to be that witches were the enemies of Godliness and did Satan’s work and must be destroyed, along with non believers and savages. Now it’s all humans wanting a better, modern life that must be destroyed. In the end, it’s all about preaching sustainability and enforcing self sacrifice through a series of a self flogging exercises that accomplish nothing.

Nothing has changed except the Priests that run a particular church that demands penance and repentance for your Earthly sins.

Slowroll
Reply to  Doonman
July 22, 2022 8:24 am

Yep. It’s the First Church of the Boiling Globe.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Andy May
July 22, 2022 2:49 am

Andy,
Rud is right when he uses the phrase “public ridicule.” When one looks at effective printed matter, I wonder if we should not make far more use of cartoons and comics. In ancient times a good court jester was far more convincing than eloquent politicians – and was often able to get away with it. When we get people to laugh at the points climate alarmists make and at their actions – even though much is no laughing matter – we hurt them far more than by carefully reasoned arguments which fly over the heads of most people.

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Editor
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 22, 2022 3:30 am

Public ridicule is effective, no doubt. But reason and unbiased scientific research and reporting is also necessary and effective.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Andy May
July 22, 2022 4:24 am

I agree but it is who to target with which.

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TonyG
Reply to  Andy May
July 22, 2022 10:37 am

But reason and unbiased scientific research and reporting is also necessary and effective.

Necessary, yes. Effective? I’m not so sure. The current beliefs we’re fighting are not based on reason. Most people don’t bother to employ reason. We need that to back up the position, but emotion is how you get most people to change.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 21, 2022 10:07 pm

A true catastrophe caused by their renewables solutions

It’s a nice idea, but doesn’t work. The Woke will merely blame fossil fuel power generation, and claim that we need more unreliables.

You know, like griff does repeatedly here about Texas.

Bob Close
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 25, 2022 6:06 am

I agree completely Rud. In Australia we are trying very hard to emasculate our economy with current energy policies and the climate wars of the previous decade. Given the dominance of climate alarmism and wokism in Victoria with their energy destroying state ‘environmental’ policies, in which they are trying to emulate California. It is to be expected that they, in their coming self induced energy poverty, will shortly experience horrible blackouts to match their awful Covid lockdowns that mentally traumatized half the public, but unfortunately not the terrible Labor government.
Perhaps ‘Reap what ye sow’ will finally convince the public they backed the wrong horse and get rid of this alarmist and hateful administration, replacing it with someone who has realistic climate and energy policies that will bring back cheap reliable power and resultant prosperity. We can only hope the climate conn is nearly over.

Joseph Borsa
July 21, 2022 2:45 pm

A “must read” for everyone concerned about the current trajectory of our energy policies. Brilliant analysis and synthesis. Makes total common sense.

Pauleta
July 21, 2022 2:55 pm

We need more scientists in government, Oh wait … what happened with covid?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Pauleta
July 21, 2022 3:12 pm

Ouch. Fauci and Birx, bought and paid for by Big Pharma. No different than thousands concerning climate change and the renewables ‘solution’. COVID is just more obvious, since the ‘vaccines’ plainly do not work as advertised just last year by FJB, as FJB just himself proved.

Scissor
Reply to  Pauleta
July 21, 2022 3:47 pm

The good ones retired, quit or are otherwise silenced.

DonM
Reply to  Pauleta
July 21, 2022 6:06 pm

After a half lifetime in govt/politics, they cannot be considered scientists.

Rick W Kargaard
Reply to  Pauleta
July 22, 2022 9:47 am

I have noticed that you can find science to support almost any argument. However, that science is almost always faulty and constitutes most science by armchair study as opposed to honest and hard in the field data collection and analysis.

Indur Goklany
July 21, 2022 2:57 pm

True: “Ability of mankind to solve problems is beyond imagination.” Unfortunately, so is its ability to screw up. Witness, Biden, as foretold by Obama.

Editor
Reply to  Indur Goklany
July 21, 2022 6:37 pm

Indur,
The article says:

One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” Speaking of his own waning understanding of today’s Democratic electorate, especially in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: “And you know who really doesn’t have it? Joe Biden.”

‘The President Was Not Encouraging’: What Obama Really Thought About Biden – POLITICO

Indur Goklany
Reply to  Andy May
July 22, 2022 5:31 am

Thanks Andy. I was commenting on the headline.

Shoki Kaneda
July 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Politicians hate creativity because it’s messy, unpredictable and, worst of all, uncontrollable.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
July 22, 2022 3:04 am

Perhaps the expression “human ingenuity” is better than creativity which has been overused to mean almost anything and as you recognize not something politicians can legislate or engineer.

markl
July 21, 2022 4:10 pm

Nothing will change until the Marxist hold on the MSM is neutralized. They won’t allow it to be bought like they acquired control so the only alternative is to out perform them with real news and views that people can trust.

Drake
Reply to  markl
July 22, 2022 10:24 am

In the US, the only way the Marxist hold on the MSM will be neutralized is if the NEW SCOTUS overturns the 1964 NYT vs Sullivan where the SCOTUS ruled that the libeled/slandered must prove intentional mal intent when overruling a judgment against the NYT.

This has allowed the MSM to act viciously toward conservatives with almost no fear or retribution.

I think Palin’s suit against the NYT is on its way to the SCOTUS. It would be poetic justice to see that case overturn the 1964 precedent.

THEN, when TRUMP! sues EVERY MSM OUTLET for their coverage of the Russia hoax, and only needs to prove the MSM relied on 100% leftist sources without any actual research for their reporting, then the bankruptcies would end the free ride of the left/MSM.

Bob
July 21, 2022 4:27 pm

Excellent article. It is refreshing to have intelligent experts who are knowledgeable about this subject finally put the blame where it belongs, incompetent politicians, administrators and bureaucrats. This whole made up crisis nothing but BS.

SkippingDog
July 21, 2022 4:29 pm

Nearly as advanced as mankind’s ability to create unique new problems needing solution.

Chris Hanley
July 21, 2022 4:38 pm

… have a close look at Germany. This country has worldwide the largest share of renewables in its energy system (about 20%)

Allegedly in 2021 wind and solar together supplied ~12% of Germany’s total energy consumption.
The excess cost of those ‘renewables’ has forced an overall drop in energy consumption in Germany per person of ~20%.
The much acclaimed reduction in Germany’s GHG emissions is largely due simply to the extra cost burdens of wind and solar.
Link.
After decades of steady growth German productivity has stalled since the beginning of the Energiewende policy in 2010.
Link.
Incidentally solar PV in Germany is a net energy sink, the only reason it is barely viable is that the panels are made in China using cheap labor and coal-sourced energy and subsidized.

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MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 21, 2022 9:28 pm

It must be said that Germany’s insistence on closing down nuclear is perhaps the conclusive proof of their absolute incompetence and stupidity.

A policy introduced after Fukushima, (where a 60 year old design shut down as designed, but whose cooling system was overwhelmed by a tsunami that was genuinely unprecedented); this was the threat. The threat of a tsunami in the Bavarian lakes??

And with a tsunami of real, tangible energy problems staring them in the face, they still insist on closing down nuclear?

Best of luck!

July 21, 2022 4:53 pm

Please consider signing the Clintel WCD, as explained here:
https://www.cfact.org/2022/05/10/consider-signing-the-world-climate-declaration-1/

rhs
July 21, 2022 5:19 pm

Today’s problems are probably yesterday’s solutions.

Olen
July 21, 2022 5:48 pm

I’m not buying any ocean front property with a large expensive mansion, not because I don’t believe in climate change, because I cannot afford it.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Olen
July 21, 2022 6:16 pm

High energy prices guarantee you will never ever be able to afford it!

Editor
Reply to  Olen
July 21, 2022 6:40 pm

The real question how many can afford to drive to the grocery store? How much does healthy fresh food cost, when the farmers and truckers have to pay $7/U.S. gal. of gas or diesel?

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roaddog
July 21, 2022 9:11 pm

What do you think abortion is?

An unfathomable loss of intellectual potential.

IanE
Reply to  roaddog
July 22, 2022 5:59 am

Sadly I see very little sign of intellectual potential in the vast majority of the population,

Redge
July 21, 2022 11:59 pm

LIFE EXPECTANCY IS THE BEST SINGLE MEASURE FOR QUALITY OF LIFE.

I think that depends on how you determine what is a quality life.

Is living a long life alone in abject poverty a quality life? It could be but it may be a miserable life.

NET ZERO: Net zero CO2 (no fossil fuels for energy), net zero NH3 (no fertilizers for agriculture), 

Net zero does not mean any fossil fuels or no fertilisers, it means if reliable fuel is used a tree must be planted

If we expect climate scientists to correct the Misleadia when making outlandish claims, it’s important we do the same when our side miscommunicates.

Editor
Reply to  Redge
July 22, 2022 10:02 am

Redge,
Banning ammonia fertilizer is a real thing and caused severe problems in Sri Lanka and elsewhere. See here, there is no miscommunication.
BBC Ignore the Real Reason for Sri Lanka’s Problems – Watts Up With That?

Redge
Reply to  Andy May
July 22, 2022 11:26 am

Andy,

Being a Brit, I know how bad the BBC is.

I just think our side stating Net Zero = no fossil fuels for energy is not correct and in this fight, we have to correct our own when mistakes are made

JMHO

KcTaz
July 22, 2022 12:46 am

The real problem seems to be not the Climate or any of the many other hobgoblins of today such as Racism, White Supremacy, Right-wing Extremists etc. but a coordinated effort by the powerful and their all to willing media to create fear and feelings of helplessness in the masses, especially, in our youth. Combine that with a massive dumbing-down in education and knowledge being replaced with indoctrination and we have all the makings for a real disaster not seen since Hitler captured the minds of Germany’s youth and general population which led to WWII, or Mao’s capturing of the entire population of China under the god of Communism.

“Too much of what is called ‘education’ is little more than an expensive isolation from reality.” Thomas Sowell

“In a democracy, we have always had to worry about the ignorance of the uneducated. Today we have to worry about the ignorance of people with college degrees.”
Thomas Sowell

“It is bad enough that so many people believe things without any evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else’s opinion.”
Thomas Sowell

“One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people’s motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans—anything except reason.”
Thomas Sowell
I do fear we are rushing headlong back to a time of witches and demons and leaving The Enlightenment far behind us.

Michael in Dublin
July 22, 2022 2:35 am

A glance through the signatories of the World Climate Declaration drafted by CLINTEL is quite revealing. The Netherlands appears to have the highest number per million inhabitants. Italy has the same total number as the USA – which has more than 5 times the population of Italy – but has treble the number of Germany which has a larger population.

The number of signatories in the Netherlands and Italy is encouraging but troubling that more, in places like the USA and Germany, did not feel free to publicly endorse this statement. We should commend those who put their names to this statement and draw attention to it among our relatives, friends and neighbors that many reputable and experienced scientist and professionals from all over the world offer a far better alternative than alarmism, namely adaption.

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Yooper
July 22, 2022 5:40 am

Take a good look at this, it’s a start:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fauci-other-us-officials-served-lawsuit-over-alleged-collusion-suppress-free-speech

Maybe we climate realists ought to do the same thing…

IanE
July 22, 2022 5:55 am

Well, well, I now look forward to a major programme about this on the BBC, the National Treasure that keeps taking.

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