1953 Communist Art, slightly modified

The Utopian Vision Driving Green Energy Enthusiasts

Essay by Eric Worrall

A glorious vision of green steel, green cement, green fertiliser, green hydrogen and a green energy export business. Prosperity revitalised. Shame the numbers don’t add up.

Albanese just laid out a radical new vision for Australia in the region: clean energy exporter and green manufacturer

John Mathews Professor Emeritus, Macquarie Business School, Macquarie University

Elizabeth Thurbon Scientia Associate Professor in International Relations / International Political Economy, UNSW Sydney

Hao Tan Associate Professor, Newcastle Business School, University of Newcastle

Sung-Young Kim Senior Lecturer in International Relations, Discipline of Politics & International Relations, Macquarie School of Social Sciences, Macquarie University

Published: July 14, 2022 6.03am AEST

Our clean and green transition is bigger than just renewables

Since Labor took office, we’ve heard a lot about our future as a renewables superpower. Often overlooked is the fact this would mean not just generating renewable electricity and green hydrogen at vast scale but also investing in new industries and processes to grasp as many opportunities as we can. 

This would mean investing in upstream industries such as solar array fabrication and electrolyser manufacture, as well as downstream industries such as green steel, green cement and green fertiliser. These new green products would be produced using locally generated supplies of green hydrogen and cheap clean renewable power, as economist Ross Garnaut has outlined. 

Green energy is no longer a niche concern. Australia’s largest companies are leading the way. 

Andrew Forrest’s new spin-off company, Fortescue Future Industries, has begun constructing a $1 billion project building green hydrogen manufacturing components, cabling and renewable generation in central Queensland. This single project is expected to double the global production capacity of green hydrogen. It will make Queensland home to a new green hydrogen fuel and components export industry.

If our new government can pull this off and turn vision to reality, we could embrace a new green growth economy and begin our own green industrial revolution. 

Better yet, Australia could finally make full use of its abundant land and renewable resources to fast-track the clean economic development of our Indo-Pacific neighbours.

Read more: https://theconversation.com/albanese-just-laid-out-a-radical-new-vision-for-australia-in-the-region-clean-energy-exporter-and-green-manufacturer-186815

I understand why people who prize order find this vision beautiful. The world remade, happy workers toiling in the sun, building a better future. A daydream, a worker’s paradise. In my experience though, the authors of such visions rarely picture themselves toiling in the sun alongside the other workers.

The vision of course is false. The numbers don’t add up, and have never added up. S&P’s massive copper shortfall. Billions of tons of material we just don’t have, a government funded chimera, a colossal, doomed waste of resources which will leave us poorer.

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Tom Halla
July 18, 2022 10:05 am

But it uses so many buzzwords the math does not matter/s

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 18, 2022 10:24 am

[HotScot’s reply was to a spam comment since deleted – mods]

Delete this crap, someone, please.

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Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2022 10:37 am

Someone tell her she can earn much, much more on Onlyfans…

Reply to  fretslider
July 18, 2022 10:47 am

and you know this how, fretslider? 😜

Reply to  Mr.
July 18, 2022 11:24 am

It pays to try to know what’s going on..

“Paying my way through college with OnlyFans was the best decision I ever made’”


Reply to  fretslider
July 18, 2022 6:19 pm

Someone tell her she can earn much, much more on Onlyfans…”

Who her?

Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2022 11:05 am

No, HotScot, leave it up. It’s evidence.

Don Perry
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 18, 2022 12:01 pm

MODS: Please don’t let this kind of spam garbage infiltrate this site. Delete and ban the IP address from which it came or there will be a flood of this crap in everything that gets posted.

Reply to  Don Perry
July 18, 2022 3:32 pm

MODS: need to insert a “Comment Deleted” note too.

Otherwise the Reply comments get out of kilter.

Reply to  Mr.
July 18, 2022 6:35 pm

It is better to remove the entire comment to eliminate it fully from the thread.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 18, 2022 8:45 pm

Yeah but as I said, the reply comments get out of kilter.

HotScot’s reply above is not in reply to Tom Halla’s comment.

And so on . . .

Randle Dewees
July 18, 2022 10:08 am

I’d say the backgrounds of the authors don’t add up

Bruce Cobb
July 18, 2022 10:09 am

That’s the beauty of magical thinking. Like with Peter Pan, all you need to do is Believe.

alastair gray
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 18, 2022 1:01 pm

And every time I say “Net ZEro is bollocks” a woke greenie dies. Wouldn’t it be nice . . . . . . .

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 18, 2022 1:10 pm

That’s fiction!…

Reply to  Truthbknown
July 18, 2022 2:16 pm

Nonsense. Peter Pan and Tinkerbell are in the WH right now.

Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 1:44 am

There are a couple of characters in the WH now but they sure aren’t those two. Peter Pan and Tinkerbell wouldn’t set foot in the WH.
It would be fun to think of the characters who would but it’s late and I’m going to bed.

Gerry, England
Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 6:24 am

They would most likely do a better job than Dementia Joe and Commie Kamala.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Gerry, England
July 19, 2022 6:46 am

“They would most likely do a better job than Dementia Joe and Commie Cackling Kamala.”
— corrected.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Truthbknown
July 18, 2022 7:56 pm

Not slur fiction by associating it with The Conversation, please.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 18, 2022 10:00 pm

Don’t forget the fairy dust.

The Real Engineer
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 19, 2022 12:53 am

Is that “make believe?”

Steve Case
July 18, 2022 10:11 am

A glorious vision of green steel, green cement, green fertilizer, green hydrogen and a green energy export business.


Gunga Din
July 18, 2022 10:17 am

But I like gray cement.
(I’d love to have a green lawn. But a green driveway…)

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Reply to  Gunga Din
July 18, 2022 3:38 pm

You can get green (red, brown, probably any color … I haven’t seen blue) but green, like all green stuff, costs about 30% more.

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July 18, 2022 10:19 am

Not a single technical type there. Why should they be good at math?

Andy Wilkins
Reply to  Curious George
July 19, 2022 6:20 am

My thoughts too: none of them are engineers or hard scientists. They have spent a lifetime in academia producing nothing of any worth. (I notice that John Matthews is into the “circular economy” – junk theory)

Gunga Din
July 18, 2022 10:20 am

If you scratch any these green things is there red underneath?

Richard Page
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 18, 2022 11:52 am

It should be – it’s all built on blood.

Ron Long
July 18, 2022 10:24 am

Once again I find myself fretting over whether this Greenie CAGW crowd is stupid, dishonest, or some combination of the two. However, for sure it’s the same thing as our parents told us: follow the money.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 2:14 pm

Socialism? Orderly?

I don’t think anyone has ever accused Joe Biden of that.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 2:42 pm

“the problem with your parable is we’re the weeds”

Nomination: Best Comeback Evah! (still ROFLMAO 15 min later)

He was destined to join a cult & the Commie Cult got there first!

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 10:03 pm

What is not to like about socialism you get to stay home and play computer games and you get your living wage and percentage of the countries resources for free. What could possibly go wrong with that vision 🙂

J. R.
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 11:07 pm

Were Russian citizens sent in an orderly fashion to the gulags?

Climate believer
Reply to  J. R.
July 19, 2022 2:11 am

Glavnoye Upravleniye Ispravitelno-Trudovykh Lagerey ,

Chief Administration of Corrective Labour Camps


July 18, 2022 10:26 am

The Industrial Revolution put a satisfactory end to our last Green Utopia; its principle features being – poverty, starvation, appalling health, a short hard life and dreadful child mortality rates.

Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2022 10:52 am

Unlike Mao’s revolution, which REINTRODUCED poverty, starvation, appalling health, a short hard life and dreadful child mortality rates.

Reply to  Mr.
July 18, 2022 4:00 pm

To be fair, much of China had never gotten beyond the poverty, starvation, appalling health, short hard life, and dreadful child mortality. Mao just ensured that those evil people who had managed to improve their lives without worshiping him, were cut down. (Some of) the people following Mao had their lives improved.

Reply to  John_C
July 22, 2022 1:29 pm

Most people who were educated and intelligent, or proficient in the arts, were, let us say, eliminated. Those who remained were the well-known sheep, cowed and obedient to Mao! These are the ones who are currently working the factories and mills. They saw the light, and have no intention of ending up like the others, so yearnings for freedom are FAR from their minds!

Michael E McHenry
July 18, 2022 10:28 am
Michael E McHenry
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 2:16 pm

LOL I’m a chemist (retired) BTW

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 3:34 pm

Careful Eric.
Twiggy will be offering you a job.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 4:06 pm

A friend of mine talked of filling balloons with an oxyacetylene rig, attaching a brick and a short fuse, and dropping a paper bag with the lit assembly in street intersections from a moving car after dark. They’d usually be a couple blocks away before it woke the neighborhood. Never their neighborhood.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 5:46 pm

But this time it’ll be different.

The Real Engineer
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 19, 2022 1:00 am

Interestingly a good oxy-acetylene explosion is much better than a plain hydrogen-air one, its the carbon and oxygen that does it. Now consider why hydrogen cars are a really bad idea, I know, it is because Carbon is a much better fuel! So petrol is best…..

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 22, 2022 1:32 pm

Agreed, and I will NOT be buying an electric vehicle in this lifetime, either! All I see in news is stories about them exploding and/or bursting into flames! When one does ignite there isn’t any electricity to even open the doors! The ONLY good thing I have ever read about them is how QUIET they are, especially when they stop running.

July 18, 2022 10:28 am

This single project is expected to double the global production capacity of green hydrogen.

Doubling nothing, is nothing isn’t it?

The Real Engineer
Reply to  HotScot
July 19, 2022 1:03 am

Hm, I wonder where they are getting the electricity from? It seems that everyone is short already, so the price will rocket up, and all to save the planet?

Reply to  The Real Engineer
July 19, 2022 10:23 am

A mere detail. The left knows precisely what it’s doing……….

Reply to  The Real Engineer
July 22, 2022 5:02 am

They will clear a huge area of farmland and forest for Renewables. It’s where I live in Qld. Then a huge area of desert in Western Australia, you will see it from space. Water to clean the panels,,, a giant deal plant powered by more panels.

The environmental impact will be truly devastating, possibly tens of square miles.

July 18, 2022 10:35 am

I always get a kick out of Greenies who accuse libertarians of imagining an impossible utopia. There’s a big difference between a fiscal and physical impossibility and a mere philosophical unlikeliness.

July 18, 2022 10:35 am

It will leave us poorer, but it will leave them richer. Which after all, was the real goal.

July 18, 2022 10:35 am

Green – wet behind the ears – politician

Jam tomorrow as they say…

July 18, 2022 10:37 am

We have reached a point where we are forced to finance virtuous sounding programs instigated by math and economics challenged celebrities who become celebrities simply by espousing their virtuous sounding program time and time again in the various media outlets….who are voted into power by those who simply recognize the celebrity names on the ballot…those voters being a larger percentage than the voters who actually study what the candidates have said. In the end, the situation probably will result in a citizen’s revolt with a dictator holding the reins of power.

Ben Vorlich
July 18, 2022 10:38 am

Just watched Justin Rowlatt go full Griff on BBC News tonight

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 18, 2022 11:10 am

Get better soon!

July 18, 2022 10:46 am

Typical exaggeration with usual lies thrown in to promise everyone life will be better if you just follow the ideology.

July 18, 2022 10:48 am

Someone who hasn’t a clue.
If the cap fits …….. .

July 18, 2022 10:48 am

Just think about what’s in store

When people start doin’ what they oughta be doin’

Then they won’t be booin’ no more

When a President goes through the White House door

Does what he says he’ll do

We’ll all be drinkin’ that free bubble-ubb

And eatin’ that rainbow stew

Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon

Underneath that sky of blue\

Merle Haggard

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Steve Case
Reply to  dk_
July 18, 2022 11:08 am
July 18, 2022 11:20 am

“…we could embrace a new green growth economy”

How many solar panel cleaners will be needed?

Reply to  fretslider
July 18, 2022 2:11 pm

You do’t imagine anyone will be paid do you?

J. R.
Reply to  fretslider
July 18, 2022 11:15 pm

Is that the 21st Century version of a chimney sweep?

paul courtney
Reply to  fretslider
July 19, 2022 10:26 am

Mr. slider: Dunno how many, but Jill Biden says they’ll be as diverse as breakfast tacos!! So, probably alot.

Rud Istvan
July 18, 2022 11:26 am

Certainly are a lot of critically thinking challenged folks out there. Let’s use ‘green’ wind and solar that is inherently expensive and intermittent to power inherently (because of intermittency) underutilized electrolyzers to make green hydrogen which we cannot store or transport unless liquified cryogenically via more inherently expensive and intermittant wind and solar in a therefore inherently underutilized (because of intermittency) cryogenic liquifaction facility.

Great concept, green hydrogen. Except not in reality. Going to be a lot of wasted $Aus. Will make Solyndra look cheap.

J. R.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 18, 2022 11:18 pm

A Rube Goldberg machine where the parts don’t work.

July 18, 2022 11:29 am

“Nothing “green” ever works properly.”

  • Tim Blair
July 18, 2022 11:30 am

Glorious vision of green..
This is the green build back better LOONS in a nutshell..
Magic batteries for all…
A 50’s tv show…My favorite episode ever 😉 If you have a 1/2 hour to kill, this is a great video..
Science Fiction Theatre The Magic Suitcase
An old man and his grandson invite a lost hitchhiker to stay the night at their vacation cabin. The stranger disappears, but leaves behind a suitcase that generates huge amounts of electricity. Grandpa turns it over to scientists who are clueless as to how this simple device makes so much power.
My favorite episode ever 😉

Bob Meyer
Reply to  upcountrywater
July 18, 2022 1:59 pm

I saw that episode when if first aired. Then I thought of myself as the grandson, now I’m the granddad. But neither of us was dumb enough to believe it.

Richard Patton
July 18, 2022 11:36 am

All of us poorer has always been the goal as I discovered when I did a paper for english comp 25 years ago. Not only that, but they feel that all the land between the Cascades-Sierra Mountains and the Rockies should be human free AND the ‘sustainable’ human population, world wide, should be 200million.

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Richard Patton
July 18, 2022 11:48 am

Ah yes, green utopia. We won’t mind that we”re all broke , freeze in the winter and swelter in the summer. Because of course, we would be living in a green utopia. Thank God for the 2nd amendment. 500 million guns in the US tells me the greenies will not be successful here.

Reply to  Call me a skeptic
July 18, 2022 2:09 pm

Covid death shots are no respecters of firearms.

Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2022 11:46 pm

Some of us remain purebloods, and continue to refuse to get the death shot.

Reply to  Deano
July 19, 2022 10:24 am

I’m still waiting for the trials to finish in 2023 before making my decision.

Reply to  Richard Patton
July 18, 2022 5:50 pm

Damn, I thought that it was 500 million.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 19, 2022 8:57 am

Apparently 100 million have been lost in boating accidents…

edit: oops, wrong reply

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R Taylor
July 18, 2022 11:45 am

Nice picture, except Comrade Albanese’s profile is hidden by the lady’s arm.

ian Coleman
July 18, 2022 11:58 am

Well, green energy already exists, and in fact has long traditions in the past. Take, for example, sailing ships. Completely green. Good enough for Francis Drake? Good enough for me.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  ian Coleman
July 19, 2022 12:52 am

Sailing ships…those were the days, weeks to transport goods unpredictably around the world, nothing perishable of course, sending people up masts in gales on starvation wages, yes the peasants knew their place in those good old days. Send the people you don’t like to Australia – oh wait…

July 18, 2022 12:09 pm

Slightly off-topic: Sri Lanka has “Vistas of Prosperity and Splendour”

another ian
Reply to  Curious George
July 19, 2022 12:54 am

Goes with that

“The Rise & Fall of Sri Lanka”



“Sri Lanka PM: This is how I will make my country rich by 2025”


And on the attempted memory hole

“The WEF questioned after deleted Sri Lanka PM article is recovered by Wayback Machine”

Gary Pearse
July 18, 2022 12:36 pm

“If our new government can pull this off and turn vision to reality, we could embrace a new green growth economy and begin our own green industrial revolution.”

If government has to pull it off it will be a disaster technically and economically. That’s what the science tells us! I’m amazed that the Australian activist scientists are so unmoved by what is clearly the end of The Utopia dillusion in Europe. Uh…you’re next!

July 18, 2022 12:45 pm

I suspect these people are brain dead.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Bob
July 18, 2022 1:41 pm


Jeroen B.
Reply to  Bob
July 18, 2022 1:57 pm

In order to be braindead, they first need to have a brain.
Keep looking, maybe they dropped it in a corner somewhere …..

Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 18, 2022 2:07 pm

Ask Joe.

Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Mayhap I-gor (not Ee-gor) took it on accident?

Reply to  John_C
July 18, 2022 5:45 pm

Ahh, Abey something is it…

Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 18, 2022 11:49 pm

It’s in a jar by the door, right alongside Eleanor Rigby’s face in the other jar by the door.

Michael in Dublin
July 18, 2022 12:50 pm

Green leaders are inexperienced, incompetent and incorrigible.

July 18, 2022 1:08 pm

Does eating bugs sound like “Utopia” to you?… Notice in every scenario the “elites” give up nothing!

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Truthbknown
July 18, 2022 2:13 pm

Ha, you’ve gotta laugh – especially when someone else in this thread mentioned sailing ships

The Standard Diet aboard those little ships was ‘Ships Biscuits
Basically a mix of fat and wheat flour (no yeast) formed into ‘biscuits’ and the baked/cooked.

After some weeks at sea, the sailors became bored with them and, frankly, hated them.
They instinctively knew that they were ‘wrong’ and once they started falling ill with scurvy, they were exactly correct.
But, after several weeks at sea, assorted ‘bugs’, weevils and maggots would invade the Ship’s Pantry and feast themselves on these biscuits.

And the sailors loved them.
The bugs added variety, texture, flavour, animal protein & fat but especially, the bugs vastly reduced the carbohydrate (sugar) content of the sailor’s fayre.

And being in close proximity to all the other folks onboard ship, you became acutely aware of how theirs and your own body worked and what was/was not ‘Good To Eat’

Thus the start of the (proper) Ketogenic or ‘Atkins’ diet = animal fat & protien with very little sugar.

Shame about the Vitamin C and often that was a case where you could do nothing else but cry.
Because the worst affected sailors were those bringing spices from the Far East, especially on the return trip to Europe where the wind was against them all the way.
Huge numbers became very ill and died from Scurvy.

If only they’d known – the holds of their ships, their precious cargo, those dried herbs and spices, were chock-a-block full of Vitamin C
How sad is that..

One is left wondering, did the bugs and weevils, as do all critters on this Earth except us, make their own Vitamin C
(All you need to do so is (Glucose) sugar = exactly what Ships Biscuits were)

Is that why the sailors loved eating the weevils & maggots more than the biscuits? Each one was a tiny Vitamin C factory.

Funny old world innit

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Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 19, 2022 12:41 am

Some years ago, a group of doctors investigating vegan diets were puzzled by the fact that vegans in India were in good health whereas their equivalents in Europe were sickly and anemic. The answer came in the weevils and other insects the Indians were consuming inadvertently in their grains and pulses!

July 18, 2022 1:46 pm

Who’s the fourth guy in the image at the back. I get Stalin, Lenin, Marx and ?

Bob Meyer
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 2:11 pm

Or Bernie Sanders?

Reply to  Bob Meyer
July 18, 2022 5:48 pm

Same philosophy…all those communists are pretty much interchangeable.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 18, 2022 5:57 pm

Yes, it would definitely be Engels.

The caption says “1953 Soviet Art, slightly modified”

Now I’m curious, what was modified? One thing that seems out of place is a flag with black, green, and yellow.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 19, 2022 1:56 am


joe x
Reply to  Waza
July 19, 2022 5:21 am


July 18, 2022 2:01 pm

Puzzled about the Green Hydrogen.

Hydrogen is supposed to be difficult and expensive to produce.


Bob Meyer
Reply to  Roger Roger
July 18, 2022 2:17 pm

It’s easy to produce. You use electricity to produce hydrogen by electrolysis and then you use the hydrogen to produce electricity with fuel cells. It will run by itself forever completely cost free. I’m looking for green investors to make my dream a reality – a mansion by a private lake in a country without extradition.

Reply to  Roger Roger
July 18, 2022 4:23 pm

It is easy and cheap if you start out with something that has a high energy potential like methane but if your going to use a carbon fuel, it’s better just burning it instead of breaking it down. If you start out with a low energy potential like water, it’s pretty inefficient extracting the hydrogen and thus costly. About the only way it might work is if the power comes from a nuclear source and you have excess power at night after you shut down all the peaking power. Current reactors tend to be constant output so you can’t lower the power when you don’t need it. Your only option is to find something to do with the excess power. This may not be as much of an issue in the future if there are more electrical cars out there.

Reply to  Dena
July 19, 2022 12:43 pm

Dena, heaven knows I’m not arguing with you about that but it does seem that’s exactly what Duke Energy has to do, albeit with undesirable consequences.

Duke Energy application points finger at solar for increased pollution

…“After committing $2 billion in tax credits, and more than $1 billion in electricity overpayments for solar power, we now learn from Duke that nitrogen oxides have actually increased, and that CO2 may be headed in the wrong direction,”
…“Renewable energy sounds good, but it performs terribly. If you want electricity available when you need it, you don’t want intermittent, unreliable, renewable energy,” Kish said. “It’s like a cancer on an efficient grid, with its ups-and-downs forcing other sources to pick up the slack in the most inefficient ways, which, in some cases, are more polluting.”

July 18, 2022 2:11 pm

“Premier Dominic Perrottet says a hydrogen strategy unveiled by the NSW government that aims to help the state hit net zero emissions by 2050 is “world-leading”.

Key points:

Premier Dominic Perrottet and billionaire Andrew Forrest unveiled the plan in Sydney today

The new hydrogen strategy signals a transition away from coal in NSW
It’s expected the plan will attract investment from growing overseas markets
The strategy provides up to $3 billion in incentives for green hydrogen production …..”

As usual, Andrew Forrest uses other people’s money. Maggie Thatcher had something to say about that.

John Bell
July 18, 2022 2:35 pm

“This would mean investing…” In other words, put me on the central planning committee so I do not have to work in the sun. If you little peasants would just toil harder WE can do it!

Chris Hanley
July 18, 2022 2:47 pm

The project has gained strong support from both territory and federal governments … (The Converstion).

If the project is so promising why are billionaires Mike Cannon-Brookes of Atlassian and Andrew Forrest of Fortescue Minerals Group happy to share the supposed fantastic profits with taxpayers, why is there not a queue of banks offering support or is it just another case of privatizing profits and socializing risks?

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Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 18, 2022 4:17 pm

This is more like the plot of “The Producers”, or just a plain old Ponzi scheme. The guys running the scam make money, the lawyers, accountants, officers, make money, the investors/owners/taxpayers lose it all.

July 18, 2022 3:20 pm

The decline of the teaching of mathematics is taking a heavy toll on the ability of our political, academic and administrative community to think clearly.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 19, 2022 12:47 am

It is a symptom of a much deeper problem, namely the increasing tendency in the West to rely on wishful and magical thinking rather than logic and numbers.

John Kelly
July 18, 2022 3:34 pm

What the hell are these idiots teaching the kids of today? Rhetorical question, I don’t need an answer. The destruction of the nation is at hand.

July 18, 2022 3:40 pm

Numbers are racist and are a tool of white supremacy. They are irrelevant, doncha know.

July 18, 2022 3:54 pm

Pie in the sky. And destructive.

John Bell
July 18, 2022 4:30 pm

You peasants should be happy to toil in the fields to prop up us (we?) elites who are masterful planners…

lyn roberts
July 18, 2022 5:16 pm

Watched a broadcast from a greenie wearing polyester clothes, using a mobile phone, wearing glasses, usually made of some kind of plastic. Do as I say not as I do. Great example of double standard. If they were genuine they would be wearing natural fibre clothes for a start.

Reply to  lyn roberts
July 18, 2022 11:12 pm

At least bamboo underwear!

July 18, 2022 6:29 pm

This is what the typical communistic dream looks like living in a world of ideologic delusion that will end in failure.

They might be affected by the Unicorn Virus that infects only Nationalist socialists’ morons

Craig from Oz
July 18, 2022 8:16 pm

From the article under discussion…

“Better yet, Australia could finally make full use of its abundant land and renewable resources to fast-track the clean economic development of our Indo-Pacific neighbours.”

So… What are we going to call this?

“White Man’s Burden”?


Cultural Smugness?

Energy Imperialism?

Blade and Panel Predatory Loan Policy?

Basically, whatever we call it, the authors of this article seem to see nothing wrong with treating our neighbours as quaint little simpletons who are unable to manage their own internal affairs properly.

Yes. Well done everyone.

(Also, for those playing at home, White Man’s Burden is the concept on ensuring less developed cultural-geo groups are not forced to ‘reinvent the wheel’ in order to enjoy the fruits of technological advances. It is a somewhat difficult concept to discuss as there is a subjective line between “Hey, we invented sanitation and germ theory of disease, let us help reform your cities so you can enjoy not dying of Cholera” and “Let us Superior People take over the administration of your country and enforce our world views on your culture”.

(As originally named – Kipling – the idea was that the advanced nations of the world (which in the context of the time were ‘white’) had a moral and ethical obligation to share and help the lesser technologically advanced. Global (and well meaning) welfare if you will. Its… an interesting discussion.)

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 19, 2022 1:48 am

That is exactly why the Residential schools for natives in Canada were created.
These people were Victorians and saw themselves as the pinnacle of civilization with a duty to drag others along

Exactly the same as todays green blob

July 18, 2022 9:59 pm

Four academics without engineering or practical science backgrounds get together to write an article about engineering and science…sounds like the start of a bad joke.

July 18, 2022 10:58 pm

You just make a media grab feelgood announcement-
Concerns electric vehicles still won’t be affordable for many by 2035 when ACT bans sale of new petrol cars (msn.com)
and don’t concern yourself with the minor details about the NEM grid-
Gas and electricity demand hitting ‘record highs’ in Victoria (msn.com)
Mandate and legislate and it will all happen just like tapping the touchscreen.

July 19, 2022 1:35 am

“…The vision of course is false. The numbers don’t add up, and have never added up.”

Of course they add up. You’re just using the wrong numbers. If you would figure the numbers correctly, you would find that these businesses will be oustanding successes— at making the investors and the politicians they buy to approve these schemes extremely wealthy.

Yes, Aussie taxpayers will get nothing out of this except debt, misery, inflation and blackouts but solving energy issues and reducing CO2 was never the point, was it?

July 19, 2022 1:47 am

The only green thing about this scam is the color of all the money these crooks are going to fleece Aussie taxpayers out of.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 19, 2022 1:49 am

You forgot green poverty and green hunger.

July 19, 2022 6:07 am

It is cheaper to cross oceans using diesel than Dacron. Sailors wisdom.

Fuel is expensive but wear and tear on your sails and rigging is much more expensive.

Small boats use sails because they cannot carry enough fuel for the crossing.

July 19, 2022 6:11 am

I would be surprised if a green hydrogen factory run on solar power could produce enough surplus energy to pay for the cost of the solar panels.

Otherwise why would a billionaire need government financing? Government financing is how scoundrels make a profit from an unprofitable enterprise.

July 19, 2022 6:19 am

Every day at sea during an ocean passage time must be set aside for sail repair. Chafe points identified and patches glued or sewn on. Running rigging replaced from stores as required at great expense to later replace. Then on arrival in port the sewing machine is hauled out, sails inspected and seams resewn where chafe has worn through the threads. Hundreds of feet of seams needing constant vigilance.

Or you could install a diesel engine and get 20 thousand hours of carefree operation before failure on average.

Last edited 27 days ago by ferdberple
July 19, 2022 6:36 am

The death of a science due to politicization is analogous to a caterpillar being parasitized by the injected eggs of an ichneumon wasp. The eggs hatch into larvae which eat the caterpillar from the inside, hollowing it out. Eventually only the dead husk of the caterpillar remains but the multiple offspring of the ichneumon hatch forth into the world.

Thus what was once climate science now only has the appearance of a science from the outside; but it is full of larvae of political activists which are busy destroying the functional and living elements of the science. Essential foundations such as climate records, and even logical structures such as falsifiability and the null hypothesis, are being destroyed. Geological climate reconstructions are being magicked into conformity with pre-ordained CO2 dogma. Soon all that will be left are the names and logos of scientific societies and journals and universities, but no science, only activists.

And this has not happened only to climate science. It happened previously to radiation biology when it was decreed that the science must serve the political function of shutting down the nuclear industry. This was to be achieved by inflating the dangers of ionizing radiation and birthing the corrosive fiction of the linear no-threshold radiation carcinogenesis (or mutagenesis) hypothesis-fact. This burdens the nuclear industry with needless and costly regulations and redundant measures, renders politically impossible the disposal of nuclear waste and allows activists to say with affected innocence “nuclear is interesting – but way too expensive”.

Now this ichneumon parasitization is being injected into another science – biological evolution. Ironically the arguments of creationism are being turned against classical Darwinian evolution not by bible-belt evangelicals, but by (equally religious) scientists concerned about the political correctness of evolution. The language and paradigm of life from natural selection and sexual reproduction are an awkward fit with current emerging political narratives, particularly that concerning gender, trans-gender and sexual orientation. The question for instance of what – if anything – is a woman, or a man?

So the new synthesis brings in a crowded and confused narrative of apparently new (but generally not new) ideas and mechanisms, such as epigenetics and statistical models of group selection. By the familiar smoke-and-mirrors wave of a wand, these new arguments sufficiently confuse the evolutionary and selective basis of living organisms to allow activists to effectively deny the need to acknowledge biology in political decisions, definitions and power structures.

Extended evolutionary synthesis – Wikipedia

So science after science is being hollowed out by the ichneumon larvae of political activism. Any science that causes any kind of obstruction to the advancement of the progressive political empire must be wasp-injected in this manner. More and more, science is servile to politics. As Russell Brand puts it so well – “don’t follow the science because the science only follows the money”. Science must be shaped to serve and not oppose new political mandates. And they’ve now got an efficient mechanism of changing science from the inside. Ironically it borrows from the same nature whose truths it so fears – the subversive, deadly genius of the ichneumon wasp.

Last edited 27 days ago by Phil Salmon
July 20, 2022 3:08 am

I don’t care how many billions Andrew Forrest spends on green energy as long as it’s his own money.

Reply to  Zane
July 20, 2022 5:45 am

He won’t use his own money as he is a carpetbagger.

Ewin Barnett
July 20, 2022 4:01 am

A vision of an unsustainable utopian society funded by unsustainable creation of fiat money plucked from organic and natural printing presses.

Andy Pattullo
July 21, 2022 8:30 am

In the medical field we call it ganGREEN and the affected area must be cut off or it inevitably kills the individual.

Al B Sommer
July 21, 2022 10:59 am

Who did that picture – it is Authentic Commie!?

July 22, 2022 4:52 am

I live where, maybe, Andrew Forrest will build our green energy future in Central Queensland. To do it, huge swathes of native forrest mixed with farmland will need to be cleared. It’s next to an LNG plant, coal port and coal power station. The area is a wild life wonderland, full of birds, marsupials, and other wild life. It’s on a estuarine harbour, full of fish, sea grass and a big coral reef at the harbour entrance.

Forrest and his friends are going to destroy the Area putting in renewable energy . All because some Professors can’t do some basic, very simple maths. They are going to destroy the environment to “save the planet”

I am upset. There is nothing I can do.

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