Hot Sand

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I live up at the top left of the map in Figure 1, in Northern California between Santa Rosa and the Pacific Ocean. Down the coast on the far side of San Francisco from me is Monterey Bay, and the town of Moss Landing.

Monterey Bay is famous for fish and fishing because there is a submarine canyon that runs all the way in to the shore at Moss Landing. This brings in the deepwater currents with loads of nutrients, which feed a rich marine ecosystem.

Half a century ago, I fished commercially for three years in Monterey Bay, two of them fishing out of Moss Landing. There was a huge old power plant in Moss Landing that was the friend of everyone who fished those waters, because it had two giant chimneys. We fished nights, not days, and at any time of the night, it was infinitely comforting to see the rings of red lights on the chimneys, visible from all over the Bay. They marked home, and land, and safety. Here are the stacks during a full moon.

Now, fifty years later, the power plant is shut down but the chimneys still remain, mute obelisks of an earlier time. You can see their shadows in the upper right of this aerial view of Moss Landing.

And what are the white boxes up at the tip of the shadows of the chimneys? They’re one of the subjects of this post. Those make up one of the largest battery installations on the planet. It’s comprised of hundreds of Tesla Megapack batteries. It stores on the order of 7.3 gigawatt-hours of electric energy (GWh, or 109 watt-hours). Here’s a photo from the ground.

So … what’s not to like about lithium megabatteries?

Well, the first thing not to like is cost. The Tesla Megapacks cost about $327 per kilowatt-hour of storage, a huge amount. And with lithium prices skyrocketing, that will only go up. So building them at grid-scale is stupendously expensive.

Next issue is environmental damage. Lithium mines are not very pretty and are destructive to the environment without special procedures … procedures that are unlikely to happen in the countries where lithium is mined.

Next issue is safety. Here’s a recent story

Second battery malfunction in less than 6 months reported at Moss Landing power plant

7:11 PM PST Feb 14, 2022: MOSS LANDING, Calif. — In Moss Landing, firefighters responded to another battery meltdown at the Vistra Energy Storage Facility Sunday night, when they arrived roughly 10 battery racks were melted.

It’s the second incident at the plant in the last five months alone.

Firefighters say the two incidents should provide a learning opportunity to make any needed adjustments or improvements.

One concern is this plant is going to get bigger.

A Tesla Megapack costs about one million dollars … and ten of them went up in smoke. That’s an expensive “learning opportunity”.

And a final issue is lifetime. Lithium batteries can only be cycled a certain number of times before they wear out and need to be replaced.


With that list of the issues with lithium batteries as prologue, folks that know me know that I’m very skeptical about new technologies. I’ve seen lots and lots of “stunning breakthroughs” announced with great fanfare that never made it off of the drawing board.

But today, I came across an energy storage technology that might actually work. Here’s a drawing of the idea. It’s being developed both privately and by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL). NREL calls its incarnation of the technology the “Enduring” system.

ORIGINAL CAPTION: In a new NREL-developed particle thermal energy storage system, silica particles are gravity-fed through electric resistive heating elements. The heated particles are stored in insulated concrete silos. When energy is needed, the heated particles are fed through a heat exchanger to create electricity for the grid. The system discharges during periods of high electricity demand and recharges when electricity is cheaper. Image by Patrick Davenport and Al Hicks, NREL.

TL;DR Version: Electricity is used to heat sand. When you need electricity, the hot sand is used to boil water to drive steam turbines for electricity.

So why do I think this one is possible? Several reasons:

First, it is very cheap. Instead of using expensive lithium for storage, it uses cheap silica sand. This brings the cost down from the $327 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of lithium batteries to an NREL estimated cost of $2 – $4 per kWh. And even if the final cost is three times that, it’s still only a few percent of lithium battery cost.

Next, it’s safe. Sand can’t catch on fire. Lithium can, and does, and is very hard to put out once it starts burning.

Next, it’s scalable, and it’s cheap to scale. Add more insulated tanks of sand and you add more storage capacity.

Next, it can be built on the sites of closed coal-fired power plants. All the infrastructure is there—train tracks to bring in the sand, turbines, generators, substations, transmission lines, and the like.

Next, it doesn’t require any new or unproven technology. We know how to heat sand, and how to build boilers and steam turbines, and how to do all the things shown in the drawing above.

So will this be the secret technology that sets solar and wind loose to make an actual difference in the real world? Because up to now, solar and wind ain’t doing diddly squat.

Seems doubtful that it will change things that much. Storage is only one small problem with sun/wind. A much larger problem is that most of the electricity from sun/wind is used immediately, and so there’s not a lot left over to put into storage. Next, both technologies require dangerous/rare/poisonous materials, are short-lived, and are hard to recycle. Plus, wind turbines massacre raptors, for a curious reason discussed here.

And there’s another big problem … there’s not a lot of solar/wind energy there to harvest because it’s so spread out, and many of the good sites are already in use. So this storage technology could help at the margins, but won’t be a revolution.

However, sand storage would still be useful for load balancing on the grid, and should be quick to ramp up and down to meet variations in demand.

There’s already a Finnish company that is commercially testing the technology. It’s called Polar Night Energy, and they’re using the heat directly, not for electricity, for district-wide heating of towns in the far north. Here’s their test installation:

Store heat in the summer when it’s not needed, and release it in the winter when it is needed … works for me.

Anyhow, that’s the good news for today … yeah, I know that compared to the ongoing global lunacy it ain’t much, but it’s what I’ve got.

My best wishes to all,

w.

PS: As always, I politely ask that when you comment you quote the exact words you’re discussing. This lets us all know exactly what and who you are responding to, and it avoids endless misunderstandings.

Technical Note: I ran some numbers to see if this all pencils out … seems like it does. R computer language code and results below. Lines starting with “[1]” are the computer output. Anything on a line after a hashmark (#) is a comment.

(us_electric_consumption = 3.9e15)# watt-hours Wh
[1] 3.9e+15
(moss_landing_battery = 7.3e9)
[1] 7.3e+09
(enduring = 26e9) # enduring storage, watt-hours Wh
[1] 2.6e+10
(ca_electric_consumption = 280e12) # Wh
[1] 2.8e+14
(sf_electric_consumption = 5e12) # Wh
[1] 5e+12
(ny_electric_consumption = 51e12) # Wh
[1] 5.1e+13
(enduring/ny_electric_consumption*secsperyear/3600/24) # days of NY City supply [1] 0.19 (moss_landing_battery/ny_electric_consumption*secsperyear/3600/24) # days of NY city supply, Moss Landing Battery
[1] 0.05225152
(degrees_temperature_swing = 900) # °C
[1] 900

(sand_specific_heat = 800e3) # joules/tonne/°C
[1] 8e+05
(storage = degrees_temperature_swing*sand_specific_heat) #storage joules/tonne
[1] 7.2e+08

(storage_whr = j2wh(storage)) # storage wh per tonne
[1] 2e+05
(tonnes_needed = enduring/storage_whr) # tonne
[1] 130000
(sand_density = 1.6) #tonnes/m^3
[1] 1.6
(volume_needed = tonnes_needed/sand_density) # cubic metres
[1] 81250
(tank_num = 5) # number of tanks
[1] 5
(cube_side = volume_needed^(1/3)) #metres per side
[1] 43.31196
(cube_side_per_tank = (volume_needed/tank_num)^(1/3)) #metres per side
[1] 25.32899
(cube_side_ft = m2ft(cube_side)) #metres per side
[1] 142.0993
(sand_per_ton = 40) # sand cost, $/tonne
[1] 40
sand_cost=tonnes_needed*sand_per_ton
paste0("Sand cost = $",format(sand_cost,big.mark=","))
[1] "Sand cost = $5,200,000"

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Julian Flood
July 7, 2022 11:27 pm

Willis, we drove near you back in the late 70s, savouring the wonderful October weather – gales, driving rain, flooded and closed roads. We felt at home.

You might be interested in the UK website SAY NO TO SUNNICA where they mention the hydrofluoric gas given off by lithium ion fires.

While I’m here… Have you thought of examining the Marine Heat Islands (MHIs) at Lakes Michigan, Superior, Tanganyika, seas Baltic, Black, Japan, Eastern Mediterranean, Red etc.

Start with the Sea of Marmara. It has added sea snot.

JF

The Dark Lord
July 7, 2022 11:33 pm

no heat loss was calculated …

here is a stab at it for each cube …
each side – 143 ft squared = 20,449 sq ft times 6 = 122,694 sq ft of surface
times temperature difference 1,000 F
divided by R – Factor of 100

1.226 Million BTU per HOUR of heat loss … per tank

so 6 Million BTU per hour of heat loss … 24/7

I think coal gasification is a better use of the excess solar/wind electricity … and a better energy storage solution …

dk_
Reply to  The Dark Lord
July 8, 2022 2:58 am

Can’t criticize or vouch for your figures, but I think there was an attempt to adjust for heat loss in the efficiency numbers.
I agree with your final point, even though terms like “clean coal” and “coal gasification” are hysterical triggers for a lot of people. Wondering what the yeild of syngas or coal gas might be with the same energy input as the sand-based thermal battery installation? I dunno how to calculate that, but maybe a better use for the energy we were going to put into storage?
But to me synthetic gas production seems a more effective use for the real estate and electrical infrastructure of a prematurely retired coal or gas ( or nuclear) plant than thermal storage, and could provide a healty output of ammonia fertilizer and conventional battery electrolyte at the same time. If paper, plastic, agricultural, and other waste is used as feed stock it could reduce landfill volume. Direct energy-to-thermal storage seems more wasteful even if it was somehow cost-free waste energy recovery.
And this is precisely what is being done for “green” “biofuels” to produce methane, methanol, synthetic gasoline and synthetic kerosene/diesel from agricultural and natural feed stocks ( and the supply shortage is the reason that those products cost two arms and a reproductive organ at retail ).

July 8, 2022 12:25 am

Any hot body, even well insulated loses heat. The hotter is is, the more losses it will have, according to the 4th power of its temperature (°K). That’s Stefan Boltzmann’s law.
Another possibility that’s been also studied is the use of latent fusion. Hollow particles with a substance that melts at a specific temperature. Below a threshold temperature, the substance solidifies and gives back its latent heat of fusion. This helps to solve, at least partially the above mentioned problem. With a mix of several types of particles, with different melting temperatures, it would even be possible to cover a certain temperature range.

Capell
July 8, 2022 1:47 am

A ton of sand at 500 C stores about 100 kWh. If the storage cycle is higher than 20 % efficient I’ll be xurprised.

vboring
July 8, 2022 4:15 am

The Elkhorn battery is 730MWh = 0.730GWh. Not 7.3GWh as stated.

https://insideevs.com/news/590551/pge-moss-landing-elkhorn-battery/

Sand is ok. I like liquids because they flow and are better at heat transfer. Molten salts, molten silicon, and water are good depending on your temperature needs.

See 1414 degrees, many molten salt system providers, and many thermal energy storage water heater providers for details.

July 8, 2022 4:27 am

While technically accurate, this assessment is flawed at it’s core. We do not need man made energy storage because we cannot compete with mother nature’s own “solar energy” storage mechanism. Hydrocarbon fuels are the best energy storage available, aside from using unstable nuclear isotopes.

Sand has 0.00084 MJ/kg of energy stored per degree C. Water has 0.0042 MJ/kg per deg C. So if you raised a kg of sand by 100 C you’d have 0.084 MJ stored. Likewise a kg of water raised 100C stores 0.42 MJ. But consult the following chart for the energy stored in a kg of various hydrocarbons:

https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter4/transportation-and-energy/combustibles-energy-content/

Gasoline and Diesel both store just over 45 MJ/kg, and LNG and methane store 55 MJ/kg. Coal comes in a bit lower at between 24 and 31 MJ/kg depending on flavor of the coal.

Sorry but a complicated and lousy storage method, be it lithium batteries or hot sand – simply cannot compete with the energy density and simplicity of using hydrocarbons as the energy storage mechanism which nature freely provides. (well it’s not free to extract it or refine it, but we don’t have to expend or waste energy to produce it – it was made by nature from solar energy)

Reply to  D Boss
July 8, 2022 6:51 am

Water stores more heat than sand, but you can only heat it up so much before it becomes high pressure steam. Sand and other silicon stuff can be heated to much higher temps so you can presumably use it to heat water to make steam to run generators.

c1ue
July 8, 2022 6:29 am

Isn’t there a sand shortage worldwide?

MarkW
Reply to  c1ue
July 8, 2022 10:21 am

Not yet

July 8, 2022 7:06 am

Willis, nice article but a couple of observations.

As Steven Pfeiffer pointed out, there will be a lot of parasitic power needed to run this system. Conveying the sand from the bottom of the system to the top will take a lot of power. Think of the horsepower it takes to power a dump truck from a dead stop to some speed, lots of torque and plain old horsepower needed.

As drawn you are looking at some complicated conveyer design to reverse direction without causing jam up of material.

Lastly, this shows no cooling towers to change the warm steam into liquid water so it can be pumped back to be heated.

This pumping also takes a lot of power to maintain pressure through the system. For megawatt power generation, much sand and water must be moved requiring a considerable amount of parasitic power which reduces the efficiency of the overall system – a lot.

MarkW
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 8, 2022 10:28 am

As always, the devil is in the details.
The biggest question I have is how do they transfer the heat from the sand to the water.

If you are going to drop the sand into the water, you need a mechanism for getting the sand into and out of the boiler, without losing any of your steam pressure.

If you are pumping sand through pipes in the water, you have to deal with issues of heat transfer out of the sand, and friction of the sand in the pipe.

If you run water pipes through a sand bed, you still have to deal with issues of heat transfer and friction, plus you have to add a mechanism to move the sand through the sand bed.

Charles Higley
July 8, 2022 9:01 am

It matters not if this energy storage system works. Maybe it will. However, wind and solar are still unsustainable in material requirements, mining burden, material burden, maintenance burden, environmental pollution, physical foot print, unreliability, short-half-life, nonreoyclability, infrastructures, and expense. Adding batteries which would have to relatively close to these stupid installations simply increases the cost but in no way fixes the problems with wind and solar.

Earthling2
July 8, 2022 9:30 am

Might make sense for somewhere like the Sahara Desert where you have endless sand, and endless Sun as ‘slave’ panels become less expensive. Plus there is water available from underground aquifers. Much of the ‘plant’ could be built from local materials. But a far distance from markets to send those electrons. It does seem rather inefficient in general to be storing solar/wind, which in itself isn’t that efficient already.

Where I think this might have some application is just storing raw heat, to be released as raw heat for space heating either over night or maybe even season to season. Still a lot of sand to heat all summer, for use in winter. For that matter, I have been using rocks (and concrete) for 40 years to store thermal heat over night. Passive solar makes a lot of sense.

This is similar to using solar panels to make electricity to heat water. That is truly bizarre. But a black barrel of water on a roof, or a simple black garden hose in a box covered in clear plastic 6 mil poly will make that same hot water for 1/100 the cost of using solar panels to make electricity to make hot water. Converting electrons to heat and back to electrons seems to be a last ditch effort. Or should be. Seems to violate the laws of common sense.

This does put into perspective the massive problem we would have if we were to ‘outlaw’ fossil fuels, or when the cost of fossil fuels rises so high in the future when recoverable supplies of fossil fuels are being severely depleted in a few hundred years. I am an optimist in that regard though…the Universe is one really big free lunch and I am sure w.e will figure it out.

MarkW
July 8, 2022 9:58 am

I doubt that the boiler and turbines that were used by the coal plant will work for a hot sand system.
A boiler designed to work with hot gases from a coal fire will not work for transferring energy from hot sand into the water. A complete re-build will be necessary.

Likewise a turbine that was designed for the temperature, pressure and volume of steam coming from a coal fired boiler will be much less efficient with the lower temperature, pressure and volume coming a hot sand boiler.

Editor
July 8, 2022 11:06 am

While this idea might actually be workable, it is not because of sand. “Sand” is just a placemarker for any substance that is cheap and has the capacity to act as mass thermal storage.

The losses involved in capacitance heating and the heat recovery process make this idea silly unless one is using electrical energy that would otherwise be wasted or “thrown away”.

Waste electrical energy is solar or wind that is overproduced when not needed and must be disposed of to protect the grid.

etudiant
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 8, 2022 2:05 pm

The idea of storing excess energy in a heated medium is more simply exploited by Energy Dome ( see: https://cmte.ieee.org/futuredirections/2022/05/11/using-co2-as-energy-storage/ and also: https://energydome.com/ )

The idea is to use CO2 as the working fluid and storage medium both, compress and heat to supercritical state and store in hot pressure vessels, then feed through a turbine to generate power, saving the gas in a large gasometer structure until it gets compressed again.
The virtue of CO2 is that it liquefies easily at modest pressures and temperatures, plus it is non toxic. Note that there are still major issues dealing with heat extraction during compression and heat injection during the generating phase However, CO2 is quite stable even at 1000*C, so at least potentially a reasonable working fluid.

Editor
Reply to  etudiant
July 8, 2022 3:28 pm

etudiant ==> Storing energy as heat has a long history — thermal walls behind glass, brick floors, adobe buildings (which store cool), etc.

The repeated emphasis on “sand” in these sciencey MSM stories reveals that understanding is lacking.

Any Boy/Girl Scout knows that rocks heated in the fire stay hot — for a long time — even when dropped into the creek. Many have burned their hands proving this is true.

I would like to see a real world analysis of the efficiency (details of losses involved) in the energy in // energy out.

u.k.(us)
July 8, 2022 12:52 pm

My hometown, less than 2 miles from O’Hare airport.
The Elk Grove Village located in Illinois, not the one in California.

“About North America’s Largest Industrial ParkElk Grove Village is where great makers come together to make great things. Elk Grove is home to the largest industrial park in the United States with over 62,000,000 square feet of inventory, 5,600+ businesses, 22 data centers, and over 400 manufacturers who specialize in plastic, metal, food, tech and more.”

=============
The remaining nuke plants still supply energy, but are getting long in the tooth.
Time for an upgrade.

July 8, 2022 5:14 pm

The problem with thermal storage is the huge loss when heat is converted to electricity.

A far more efficient and cheaper solution is the hydroelectric pumped storage principle. As an example, there is the Norwegian «Blåsjø» reservoir with a storage capacity of 7.8 TWh. That is 1000 times more than the example described above.
https://www.statkraft.com/newsroom/news-and-stories/archive/2013/statkraft-five-largest-batteries/

/Jan

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
July 8, 2022 7:50 pm

You are of course right that we need all that. However, pumped hydro is so efficient and cheap that it will usually be the best solution even if we have to add in a few hundreds, or even thousands, of kilometers of high voltage transmission lines.

The technology for high voltage lines has improved recently. DC lines are now the preferred solution. There are such lines up to 3400 km long in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-voltage_electricity_transmission_in_Chin

SAMURAI
July 8, 2022 7:37 pm

I did a quick bar-napkin cost calculation for 1-week Tesla PowerWall battery backup of the US grid:
1-week Tesla battery backup cost for average home: $40,000 (six PowerWalls)
Number of US households: 122 million
Residential power consumption as percentage of total US grid:16%
Tesla PowerWall Lifespan: 15 years (6.66 replacements per century)
Total Cost per century for US entire grid: $205 TRILLION/century or about $2 trillion/year, which doesn’t even consider the cost of building and replacing a wind turbine/solar grid which would likely be more than $200 trillion/century…

Leftists suck and math, science, logic, economics, business acumen, ethics, morals, etc.

Earthling2
July 8, 2022 10:16 pm

As etudiant’s comment was mentioning above, it does look promising for Supercritical properties of CO2 (sCO2) as a viable heat storage/transition medium. CO2 is the magic gas that just keeps giving and giving. 

Research is ongoing to develop a sCO2 closed cycle gas turbine to operate at temperatures near 550 C, using the Allam-Fetvedt Cycle, which is relatively new tech. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allam_power_cycle 

A 50 MW pilot plant was built in Texas in 2018 (NET Power Demonstration Facility) by a consortium of companies and has now been recently commissioned and grid connected. It is also sequesters the CO2 from the nat gas combustion. It is is a demonstration plant, so doubt it is economical at this point. Would be good to see Willis dig into this a little bit deeper and provide more insight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NET_Power_Demonstration_Facility

If I understand correctly, this would have very good implications for bulk thermal and nuclear generation of electricity, because the supercritical properties of CO2 at above 500 C and 20 MPa enable thermal efficiencies approaching 50%. Much better than steam in a coal or nuclear generator at 33%+. This could increase the electrical power produced per unit of fuel required by perhaps a 1/3 or more. This increased efficiency would be very significant in ‘fuel’ saving costs per MW/h generated, at least in coal and nuclear generation and would lower emissions per fuel/energy consumed/produced. This technology is also beneficial to CO2 sequestration, so if we can commodify CO2 for applications like additional oil production, or using the Allam Power Cycle with sCO2 instead of steam, then a win-win for everyone. 

Supercritical sCO2 could also presumably work in this application of converting thermal heat storage instead of sand to electricity, and be a much easier substance to deal with. There are still engineering challenges in getting the right alloy materials to resist corrosion and pitting etc, but is looking very promising. I expect we will be hearing a lot more about (Supercritical) sCO2 in the future. 

Kramer
July 9, 2022 7:23 pm

I bet dollars to donuts that they’ll fill those batteries when power is cheap and sell it back to the grid when it’s expensive. This is a money making scheme actually (if they do this)…

I wonder if this is the main reason for them?