Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I live up at the top left of the map in Figure 1, in Northern California between Santa Rosa and the Pacific Ocean. Down the coast on the far side of San Francisco from me is Monterey Bay, and the town of Moss Landing.

Monterey Bay is famous for fish and fishing because there is a submarine canyon that runs all the way in to the shore at Moss Landing. This brings in the deepwater currents with loads of nutrients, which feed a rich marine ecosystem.

Half a century ago, I fished commercially for three years in Monterey Bay, two of them fishing out of Moss Landing. There was a huge old power plant in Moss Landing that was the friend of everyone who fished those waters, because it had two giant chimneys. We fished nights, not days, and at any time of the night, it was infinitely comforting to see the rings of red lights on the chimneys, visible from all over the Bay. They marked home, and land, and safety. Here are the stacks during a full moon.

Now, fifty years later, the power plant is shut down but the chimneys still remain, mute obelisks of an earlier time. You can see their shadows in the upper right of this aerial view of Moss Landing.

And what are the white boxes up at the tip of the shadows of the chimneys? They’re one of the subjects of this post. Those make up one of the largest battery installations on the planet. It’s comprised of hundreds of Tesla Megapack batteries. It stores on the order of 7.3 gigawatt-hours of electric energy (GWh, or 109 watt-hours). Here’s a photo from the ground.

So … what’s not to like about lithium megabatteries?
Well, the first thing not to like is cost. The Tesla Megapacks cost about $327 per kilowatt-hour of storage, a huge amount. And with lithium prices skyrocketing, that will only go up. So building them at grid-scale is stupendously expensive.
Next issue is environmental damage. Lithium mines are not very pretty and are destructive to the environment without special procedures … procedures that are unlikely to happen in the countries where lithium is mined.
Next issue is safety. Here’s a recent story
Second battery malfunction in less than 6 months reported at Moss Landing power plant
7:11 PM PST Feb 14, 2022: MOSS LANDING, Calif. — In Moss Landing, firefighters responded to another battery meltdown at the Vistra Energy Storage Facility Sunday night, when they arrived roughly 10 battery racks were melted.
It’s the second incident at the plant in the last five months alone.
Firefighters say the two incidents should provide a learning opportunity to make any needed adjustments or improvements.
One concern is this plant is going to get bigger.
A Tesla Megapack costs about one million dollars … and ten of them went up in smoke. That’s an expensive “learning opportunity”.
And a final issue is lifetime. Lithium batteries can only be cycled a certain number of times before they wear out and need to be replaced.
With that list of the issues with lithium batteries as prologue, folks that know me know that I’m very skeptical about new technologies. I’ve seen lots and lots of “stunning breakthroughs” announced with great fanfare that never made it off of the drawing board.
But today, I came across an energy storage technology that might actually work. Here’s a drawing of the idea. It’s being developed both privately and by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL). NREL calls its incarnation of the technology the “Enduring” system.

ORIGINAL CAPTION: In a new NREL-developed particle thermal energy storage system, silica particles are gravity-fed through electric resistive heating elements. The heated particles are stored in insulated concrete silos. When energy is needed, the heated particles are fed through a heat exchanger to create electricity for the grid. The system discharges during periods of high electricity demand and recharges when electricity is cheaper. Image by Patrick Davenport and Al Hicks, NREL.
TL;DR Version: Electricity is used to heat sand. When you need electricity, the hot sand is used to boil water to drive steam turbines for electricity.
So why do I think this one is possible? Several reasons:
First, it is very cheap. Instead of using expensive lithium for storage, it uses cheap silica sand. This brings the cost down from the $327 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of lithium batteries to an NREL estimated cost of $2 – $4 per kWh. And even if the final cost is three times that, it’s still only a few percent of lithium battery cost.
Next, it’s safe. Sand can’t catch on fire. Lithium can, and does, and is very hard to put out once it starts burning.
Next, it’s scalable, and it’s cheap to scale. Add more insulated tanks of sand and you add more storage capacity.
Next, it can be built on the sites of closed coal-fired power plants. All the infrastructure is there—train tracks to bring in the sand, turbines, generators, substations, transmission lines, and the like.
Next, it doesn’t require any new or unproven technology. We know how to heat sand, and how to build boilers and steam turbines, and how to do all the things shown in the drawing above.
So will this be the secret technology that sets solar and wind loose to make an actual difference in the real world? Because up to now, solar and wind ain’t doing diddly squat.

Seems doubtful that it will change things that much. Storage is only one small problem with sun/wind. A much larger problem is that most of the electricity from sun/wind is used immediately, and so there’s not a lot left over to put into storage. Next, both technologies require dangerous/rare/poisonous materials, are short-lived, and are hard to recycle. Plus, wind turbines massacre raptors, for a curious reason discussed here.
And there’s another big problem … there’s not a lot of solar/wind energy there to harvest because it’s so spread out, and many of the good sites are already in use. So this storage technology could help at the margins, but won’t be a revolution.
However, sand storage would still be useful for load balancing on the grid, and should be quick to ramp up and down to meet variations in demand.
There’s already a Finnish company that is commercially testing the technology. It’s called Polar Night Energy, and they’re using the heat directly, not for electricity, for district-wide heating of towns in the far north. Here’s their test installation:

Store heat in the summer when it’s not needed, and release it in the winter when it is needed … works for me.
Anyhow, that’s the good news for today … yeah, I know that compared to the ongoing global lunacy it ain’t much, but it’s what I’ve got.
My best wishes to all,
w.
PS: As always, I politely ask that when you comment you quote the exact words you’re discussing. This lets us all know exactly what and who you are responding to, and it avoids endless misunderstandings.
Technical Note: I ran some numbers to see if this all pencils out … seems like it does. R computer language code and results below. Lines starting with “[1]” are the computer output. Anything on a line after a hashmark (#) is a comment.
(us_electric_consumption = 3.9e15)# watt-hours Wh
[1] 3.9e+15
(moss_landing_battery = 7.3e9)
[1] 7.3e+09
(enduring = 26e9) # enduring storage, watt-hours Wh
[1] 2.6e+10
(ca_electric_consumption = 280e12) # Wh
[1] 2.8e+14
(sf_electric_consumption = 5e12)# Wh
[1] 5e+12
(ny_electric_consumption = 51e12)# Wh
[1] 5.1e+13
(enduring/ny_electric_consumption*secsperyear/3600/24) # days of NY City supply [1] 0.19 (moss_landing_battery/ny_electric_consumption*secsperyear/3600/24) # days of NY city supply, Moss Landing Battery
[1] 0.05225152
(degrees_temperature_swing = 900) # °C
[1] 900
(sand_specific_heat = 800e3) # joules/tonne/°C
[1] 8e+05
(storage = degrees_temperature_swing*sand_specific_heat) #storage joules/tonne
[1] 7.2e+08
(storage_whr = j2wh(storage)) # storage wh per tonne
[1] 2e+05
(tonnes_needed = enduring/storage_whr) # tonne
[1] 130000
(sand_density = 1.6) #tonnes/m^3
[1] 1.6
(volume_needed = tonnes_needed/sand_density) # cubic metres
[1] 81250
(tank_num = 5) # number of tanks
[1] 5
(cube_side = volume_needed^(1/3)) #metres per side
[1] 43.31196
(cube_side_per_tank = (volume_needed/tank_num)^(1/3)) #metres per side
[1] 25.32899
(cube_side_ft = m2ft(cube_side)) #metres per side
[1] 142.0993
(sand_per_ton = 40) # sand cost, $/tonne
[1] 40
sand_cost=tonnes_needed*sand_per_ton
paste0("Sand cost = $",format(sand_cost,big.mark=","))
[1] "Sand cost = $5,200,000"
“Instead of using expensive lithium for storage, it uses cheap silica sand. This brings the cost down from the $327 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of lithium batteries to an NREL estimated cost of $2 – $4 per kWh. And even if the final cost is three times that, it’s still only a few percent of lithium battery cost.”
With lithium, people aren’t paying for the kWh as such. They pay for the dispatchability. Frequency control, but also the ability to switch on in seconds, to cover the gaps when a generator drops out, for example. You can’t do that with hot sand.
I agree…comparing lithium batteries to hot sand is an apples to sewing machines comparison.
But does the sand catch fire 😉
You can get pretty much anything to burn, if you work hard enough at it.
Just pour some chlorine trifluoride on it.🙃
This is not revolutionary. It is just a heat exchanger which could be found in thousands of industrial plants worldwide. Outgoing hot gases heat incoming cold gases and save heating costs. Just reengineered.
Sand has about 1/5th of the specific heat of water but is 3.3 times as dense, so per unit volume it has about 65% of the heat storage capacity of water. However, sand can be heated to over 500 degrees centigrade, water only to 80 or 90 degrees. Depending on the lowest temperature at which you can extract heat efficiently from the storage, say 30 or 40 degrees, a sand based heat battery can outperform a water based one by a factor up to ten.
A few folks are concerned about The 2nd Law and as it applies here.
No no no.
The 2nd Law is the 2nd Law – only Climate Science can and does ride roughshod over it.
The mains concern here is the efficiency of the system and it is Carnot that tells us all about it.
Carnot says that the efficiency of any and all heat engines depends **only** on two things:
Both expressed in Kelvin
The Heat Engine here is the steam turbine driving the generators.
Its input temp is the temp of the steam going in and it’s exhaust is the temp of the fluid coming away from the other end of the turbine
That is it – the steam turbine is the heat engine here
OK
The output of the steam turbine will be as almost all steam turbines is and are and will be about equal to the temperature of the cooling tower = about 30° Celsius
The input to the turbine is limited by the mechanical strength of your system.
In that you can make steam of very high temperature but when you do, its pressure rises considerably.
Designing your turbine system then means a compromise between the temperature handling and pressure capabilities of your materials and also your fabrication skills
Thus in conventional power stations using steam turbines, the limit is set at around 200° Celsius
Running that through Carnot gives you an efficiency of 35%
And that is the efficiency of most fossil fuel powered stations
It’s mentioned that the sand can be heated to 1,000° Celsius.
Yes and very lovely but you can not feed the sand into your turbine
What is needed is something that the sand can heat to that temp and then have that as your ‘steam’
If you can find something then that’s brilliant
Keeping the cooling towers at 30°C and a turbine input of 1,000°C gets you and efficiency of 76%
Epic brilliant fantastic you’ve doubled your power station efficiency but you ain’t gonna get steam up to that – and plenty people have tried.
PS Carnot’s heat engine rule applies inside the GHGE also – where energy (infra-red radiation) interacts with matter to create a temp rise = increased mechanical/physical agitation of the gas molecules
So, run Carnot with an Earth surface temp of +15°C and an atmosphere with and average temp of -15°C…
You get a Carnot efficiency of 10%
Of all the infra-red radition emitted by Earthj;s surface, only 10% of it can go to heating the atmosphere
Now there’s a real bad brain-ache.
Where does the 90% go and how do you reconcile that with the 1st Law?
And if anyone dares ask those questions we know exactly what happens – you’re met by a torrent of personal abuse.
Everything is now wrong in this world but especially, The People are wrong, in every sense.
“Where does the 90% go and how do you reconcile that with the 1st Law?”
There isn’t much wrong with NASA’s “Earth Radiation Budget” diagram.
Yes there is. From a thermodynamic standpoint, the surface is one body and the atmosphere is another body. They both radiate based upon their temperature. The S-B equation for net radiation is (BodyHot – BodyCold) NASA’s radiation budget has the BodyHot getting hotter by using the equation (BodyHot + BodyCold). That is wrong. The only reason for doing this is so you can get a massive number for the “back radiation” value. That is wrong.
This article followed a pattern typical of leftists:
(1) Everything is wrong !
In this case, sola,r wind and lithium batteries are wrong.
(2) New technology is the answer
Sand
I’ve seen this story before.
How about my solution?
Produce electric power only when it is needed.
With nuclear, hydro and gas.
Don’t store anything.
This
just might work.No new technology needed.
Always amazing. How did you get that typed on that newfangled interweb from your Underwood?
The EU commission just okayed nuclear & natty gas as green energy & assuming the US follows
suit, we’ll still need to replace the 22% that’s from coal. If they’re smart, they’ll use natty
gas for all of it as unreliable solar & wind (SAW) needs backup, which with batteries is very
expensive. Currently, the US averages 450 GW continuous generation- ~11k GWh/day. SAW is 12%
of it- 55 GW, 1,300 GWh/day. @ur momisugly $327/kwh => $425B/day battery storage for 55 GW continuous
generation. If they replaced the coal portion also, the total for current & future SAW is $1.2T
Solar has a capacity factor of 9% in both the UK & Germany, because of bad weather & being N of
the Alps. For wind, the UK’s wind capacity factor’s >40%, which is industry average as Ireland
& the UK are the best spots for wind in Europe. Germany’s wind is 18% on land & 35% off-shore,
with most of it on land where Germany has very poor wind potential.
In the US, solar is best in the SW & poorest in the NE quarter & the NW coast. The SE isn’t as
good as the SW because of humidity & cloudier weather. For wind, the best spot on land is the
Great Plains. Unfortunately, there are no cities >1M there. Off-shore wind is great N of San
Fran, on the Great Lakes, & N Carolina northward. (With off-shore wind, the problem is a
NIMBY allergy among wealthy liberals toward wind turbines.) The E coast is subject to
hurricanes & Nor’easters.
So, the SW should use mostly solar, augmented by off-shore wind, where practical. The NW coast
should use off-shore wind & a mix of wind/solar inland, depending on local conditions. The middle
has better wind N & better solar S. SE should use mostly solar. The NE should use wind-
off-shore being best- as solar loses too much to daylight ops only & cloudy weather.
While unreliable green energy’s a scam, at least we should plan to use the best type suited
to a particular area. That would mean off-shore wind @ur momisugly the Farallons, Point Reyes, Mendocino, San
Juan Islands for the whale watchers & Martha’s Vineyard, Cape Cod, … for the sailors. Enjoy!
I can’t see this working unless there is a considerable over supply of wind and solar production. But the idea of capturing waste heat that is being discharged to atmosphere utilizing ‘very course sand or pea gravel’ may have merit that may provide a relativity short term peak supply but not in the configuration/concept as shown in the graphic. A lot of cost for a peak load but likely much cheaper than existing battery technology.
Plus, when the current MADNESS subsides the installation could be useful in the future. The real question is how long will the MADNESS last?
Umm, serious question. It occurs to me that there is considerable energy required to lift the sand, which is not recovered in any way when it falls into the silo after heating. Is this input significant, and if so, was it considered in the input energy costs?
Yes there is a lot of what I call “parasitic” power in this scheme. The usual that you find in every power plant – feedwater pumps, cooling tower pumps/fans.
And yes the energy to convey the sand most likely using electrically-driven blowers, would be significant. May be quite large given the sand quantities involved.
“Sand can’t catch on fire.” True. But anything that comes in contact with those ultrahigh temperature particle silos probably will.
The Gartner hype cycle is a graphical presentation developed, used and branded by the American research, advisory and information technology firm Gartner to represent the maturity, adoption, and social application of specific technologies. Following the discovery of a new technology, what follows is a peak of inflated expectations (eg solar, wind, batteries), followed by a trough of disillusionment (failure to deliver, cost blowouts etc),and then a slope of enlightenment as lessons learned are applied, and finally a plateau of productivity. Lots of technology discoveries never make it through the trough of disillusionment.
The Finnish system makes more economic sense in that the sand is used as a heat store – it outputs heat to be used in a district heating system for domestic premises. There is at least the prospect of getting out a high percentage of the energy put into the heat store. They claim that they can store the hot sand for a considerable length of time – so enabling energy to be gathered in the summertime and then fed into the heating system in the winter. How effective this can be remains to be seen, but the Finns appear to have a prototype system up and running so we should get some results in the near future.
The NREL system is more aimed at storing electrical power. This is bound to be much less effective due to the inherent losses in generating electrical power from the stored heat. The overall efficiency might be between 30 and 45 percent. However, given relatively low capital costs, this low efficiency may still be economically preferable compared with Li batteries, due to the high capital costs of the batteries. It might be an effective approach for dealing with solar or wind power droughts, assuming that enough “excess” solar and wind power is built to enable charging of the heat store during times of plenty.
The NREL system probably only makes economic sense if fossil fuels are banned from electricity generation. Electricity generated using the sand heat store is likely to be relatively expensive, since the input energy must be paid for, whatever its source.
I’m pretty skeptical of any claims to being able to keep something 100 degrees or more above ambient for months, without any external energy input.
Willis, thanks for this post. Interesting.
“TL;DR Version: Electricity is used to heat sand. When you need electricity, the hot sand is used to boil water to drive steam turbines for electricity.”
The illustration says “Brayton Combined Power Cycle”. At this link below there is more technical information. Still some choices to be made, e.g. closed or open Brayton cycle. Clearly though they intend a combined-cycle configuration similar to CCGT plants fired by natural gas. This means the thermal efficiency in the power generation section will be somewhat better than a straight thermal steam cycle plant.
https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/NREL_DAYS.pdf
Also found this. It says “GE 7E.03 Combined Cycle.”
https://www.sandia.gov/ess-ssl/wp-content/uploads/2021/LDES/Zhiwen_Ma.pdf
One scary proposal is Direct Air Capture and conversion to hydrocarbon fuels. This is incredibly energy intensive. IEA proposed capturing 84 million MT of CO2 this way. Using wind energy alone, this would require 150,000 each 2 MW wind turbines. At 70 acres/turbine, that requires 10.5 million acres of land or 16,400 sq mi of land. And then, considering the lifecycle GHG emissions for wind turbines at 8 gCO2e/MJ, for each MT of CO2 captured, 100 kg of CO2 are emitted for production and instillation of the turbines.
There is no free lunch, even with renewable power.
There is no free lunch ESPECIALLY with “renewable” power.
Yes! By burning fuel, we know how to heat sand to where we can recover as much as 80% of the energy energy input to the system.
Affordable storage technologies require cheap generation technology. The sales brochure press release that I saw on the Finnish Polar Night project seemed to have very little information on how they plan to generate the 1000 degree F thermal energy to heat the sand, other than some vague mumbling about recovering waste heat from data centers. They also intended to use it for community steam heat generation within the small community — notably in winter months when solar energy available in Finland is nil (or perhaps Nils).
I’m all for storage as an integrated part of a generation system, but it has to be rated at the system output per input energy unit, and in GWh, not peak output under ideal conditions. Say an ideally sited and well maintained 6MW rated wind turbine with attached thermal storage might be able to ideally achieve 1.5 MWh output for peak years of operation. Most likely it would produce much less. A thermal “battery” of this sort might be a useful energy buffer to smooth out the peaks and valleys of wind power generation. On the cost side of the equation, the turbine, thermal storage, and steam generator will “cost” a couple megatons of fossil fuels in materials alone to build and maintain for about a 20 year life span. Is it worth it?
Jefferson’s Monticello stored heat in water pipes on south-facing walls, and generated heat by burning wood (and light by burning wax, fat, and oil). Jefferson himself out lasted the system. I rather doubt he recovered the installation cost.
Bravo!
The brayton cycle machines contemplated for this are ideally reversible, but in reality they are not. I figured the cycle efficiency for joule cycle machines to accomplish this to be around 60%. Then there are heat exchangers of various sorts. One can design heat exchangers that are adiabatic, but what can’t be made are exchangers that preserve availability, so there is further irrevesibility from this. Then there is the generator/motor efficiency.By the time one is done the actual overall efficiencies are perhaps 40% maybe worse because all the cycle inefficiencies are encountered twice — once in and once out. In a ff fired plant one encounters the irreversibilities only once.
I have looked at a similar system before and the land area required is pretty staggering.
Here is an overlooked problem. The needed storage in GWhr is one thing, but one has to build also for the needed peak delivered power and likely also some minimum slew rate. This runs costs even higher.
Fine, NREL, have at your pilot plants, but my view is these are research projects hoping for taxpayer subsidies in order to commercialize.
There seems to be a desperation to neutralize the obvious objections to intermittent and unreliable injection of wind and solar power into the grid. The sales pitch of “cheaper than coal” energy comes first, but folks figure out pretty quickly that it won’t work without massive inexpensive storage. So we get these news bursts about research projects to persuade the public to believe that surely a storage solution will become practical before long.
Exactly right.
I posted this in another thread a couple of days ago, it sure fits here…
Here’s a German solution: Giant Thermos Bottle to store hot water. Ya gotta wonder…
https://electroverse.net/freezing-iowa-spring-means-no-fourth-of-july-corn-germany-builds-huge-thermos-to-help-stave-off-the-cold/
You are going to need a heck of a lot of insulation to keep that sand hot from summer into winter.
Why not steel shot and an inductive heater?
For the sake of brainstorming: what about using large concrete cylinders mounted on magnetic bearings?
Sounds like an idea for wasting less money than spending it on batteries.
How long can it stay hot? With good insulation, probably at least several day…but what if you need stored energy to compensate for extended intervals of low wind/solar output…a couple of weeks, say…or, for that matter, extended periods of above-average demand….how much heat will be left in the sand?
H?w is this better than storing the heat in water?
It’s difficult to heat water to 900 degrees.
Redox flow batteries should perform much better than Tesla Megapacks in this kind of application.
Hot sand? Meh. Hot jelly doughnuts? Now you’re talking!
The Korean built Barakah Nuclear Power Plant cost about $25B for 5GW power, or about 44B KWh over the space of one year, which would be $.50 per KWh, but of course the reactors are good for 50 years so 1¢ per KWh. Sure, this back of the envelope calc ignores the cost of fueling every 18 months or so, maintenance, company picnics, and donations to the local environmentalists to encourage them to go glue themselves to some coal plant or far away road, but it shows how stupidly not stupendously expensive the battery backup idea is.
Tru ‘dat, I’m a huge fan of nuclear.
w.