India Reopens 100 Coal Mines

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

Political leaders of developing countries face constant pressure to generate enough electricity for their populations as they are being asked to reduce dependence on fossil fuels. In a bold and rebellious move, India has ordered reopening more than 100 dormant coal mines to meet skyrocketing domestic power demand.

The action is just one of the many measures that the country has taken to ensure a seamless supply of coal to power plants that generate more than 70 percent of the electricity consumed by the subcontinent’s industries and 1.3 billion people. Leaders in developing parts of the world are ready to wear a badge of dishonor that climate alarmists award those who reject their absurd policy proposals.

“Earlier we were hailed as bad boys because we were promoting fossil fuel and now we are in the news that we are not supplying enough of it,” said India’s Coal Secretary, pointing to the negative coverage of a media that change colors as frequently as chameleons and the global hypocrisy over fossil fuels.

The post-pandemic economic recovery has sent power demand to unprecedented levels, resulting in rapid depletion of coal stockpiles at power plants and threatening serious consequences both to individual lives and major industrial processes.

Consistent with recent policies, India has again chosen to prioritize energy production over climate policies. The number of mines to reopen is expected to total nearly 200 soon.

In fact, the government is going as far as to remove mandatory technical requirements for the immediate operation of these mines. “With the mine developer and operator model already existing, companies bidding for shut mines need not be technically qualified to do the mining work and the same could be outsourced on payment of a fee,” said a coal ministry official.

In addition, the government has ordered the removal of environmental regulations that are needed before currently operational coal mines can increase production. In a memo, the government asked operating mines to increase production by as much as 40 percent. Forget international climate strictures, the country is dispensing with local environmental regulations to meet energy demand. Desperate times require desperate measures, we suppose.

There are talks of providing loans to increase domestic coal production. Business Standard reported that “leading mining companies, including Adani Enterprises, Vedanta and Essel Mining, have informed the coal ministry that they will be keen to add sizable chunks of investment to expand coal production. This means they will need more bank financing — marking a reversal of the climate change programme. And the government is keen to walk the extra mile to make it happen.”

The federal government has also ensured that new funding mechanisms will be put in place for its thermal plants to procure more imported coal from countries like Indonesia. Not to forget, the country’s railways have already suspended many commercial passenger trains to free up the tracks for coal freights.

These measures are just the beginning of dominance by fossil fuels as an energy source in a country that will have the world’s highest rate of growth in electricity demand over the next two decades. Last November, the Indian prime minister called out the colonial mindset of Western political leaders when it came to energy freedom in developing parts of the world.

Those in charge of India’s power generation embrace the “bad boy” tag to ensure that 1.3 billion people have affordable and reliable power. However, their legacy may be one of wisdom while those who cling to foggy, pseudo-scientific projections about climate lead their people to economic decline.

Vijay Jayaraj is a Research Associate at the CO2 Coalition, Arlington, Va., and holds a Master’s degree in environmental sciences from the University of East Anglia, England. He resides in Bengaluru, India.

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2022/05/31/indias_bad_boys_reopen_100_coal_mines_as_demand_skyrockets_835058.html

I cannot understand why they just don’t build loads of solar farms, which the renewable lobby assures us are the cheapest source of electricity now?

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Ron Long
June 8, 2022 10:14 am

Now we know the true meaning of “Net Zero”, as in no reduction of anthropogenic carbon dioxide production..

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Ron Long
June 8, 2022 10:16 am

What? Why was griff not informed?

Redge
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 8, 2022 10:59 am

Because Griff is ill-informed enough as it is

Bryan A
Reply to  Redge
June 8, 2022 1:25 pm

In all likelihood India could eliminate close to 1/2 of their Energy demand by simply closing ALL of the fraudulent call centers posing as …

Microsoft Windows Support
IRS agents
Social Security benefits
Etc, etc, etc…

n.n
Reply to  Bryan A
June 8, 2022 2:18 pm

Labor and environmental arbitrage, and fiscal creativity, per chance a World War Spring (WWS) for a Green New Deal, the same as the old New Deal.

Vuk
Reply to  Ron Long
June 8, 2022 11:24 am

Guardian:China’s coal production hit record levels in 2021Official government figures show that China’s coal binge also spurred the country to record high coal output over the (2021) year as a whole. Chinese coal production climbed to an all-time high of 4.07bn tonnes, up 4.7% on the previous year, in a blow to climate campaigners months after the UN’s Cop26 climate talks in Glasgow.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/17/chinas-coal-production-hit-record-levels-in-2021

Willem post
Reply to  Vuk
June 8, 2022 6:46 pm

That additional DOMESTIC coal is dirt cheap for India, because the mines are fully developed.

A large quantity of very low-cost, STEADY, ALWAYS-THERE electricity will be generated with that coal for decades.

China told the U.S., if you sanction us, we will leave the QUAD alliance, and join up with Russia and China, which would mean game over for the U.S.

Shoki Kaneda
June 8, 2022 10:22 am

Wow. A leader who addresses citizens’ needs and says FU to the wokerati. Sounds like a recent US President.

Derg
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
June 8, 2022 10:57 am

Well let’s not get carried away, but at least, he is not in with the globalist crowd.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Derg
June 8, 2022 1:10 pm

thats not getting carried away … thats simply a description …

Dave Bufalo
June 8, 2022 10:27 am

And here we are in the US shutting down coal fired coal plants. Nuts.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Dave Bufalo
June 8, 2022 10:45 am

The average age of retirement of ‘old coal’ in 2018 (when I looked it up) was 42 years. By that standard, about 1/3 of remaining old coal generation will be retired by 2025. All replaced by CCGT, which has had a lower LCOE thanks to low nat gas prices from fracked shales like Marcellus. Break even LCOE was about $8/mbtu when I last calculated it a few years ago.

But with natgas now at $9/mbtu thanks to Biden, some new USC coal might come into the mix next few years. A new USC coal plant takes about 3.5-4 years to construct based on the only one in the US, Turk in Arkansas.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 8, 2022 11:28 am

Yes, but you might want to look up the legal troubles of Turk and the settlement agreement with the idiot Sierra Club.

H.R.
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 3:31 pm

I hpe the agreement with the Sierra Club was that if the SC agreed to go pound sand, Turk would agree to keep building a reliable power source.

RickWill
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 8, 2022 5:55 pm

The new Labor government in Australia is attempting to accelerate the dispatchable generator payment system. This will be a subsidy to dispatchable generators to sit idle but available. It is likely to apply equally to gas and coal generators as well as batteries that hold a reserve. It will be good for the cycle life of batteries because they can use some capacity for arbitrage and the remaining capacity gets paid for just to sit there ready to go.

And, in breaking news, Melbourne City Council has ceased the program of quarantining perts of existing roads for the sole use of cyclists. This is a hard one for the Green dominated Council to swallow. But delivery drivers pointed out they would not be able to deliver beans and milk to the coffee shops if the cycle paths continue to take up precious road space – an emerging disaster that was untenable.

Dennis
Reply to  RickWill
June 8, 2022 9:22 pm

That plan was started by Morrison Government Minister Angus Taylor, around the same time proposals for 4 gas fired generators (2 in NSW and 1 each in VIC and SEQ) were put forward to the State Governments responsible for electricity supply and 1 coal fired power station for NTH QLD with Federal prepared to underwrite the finance for a private sector venture.

To date only 1 gas generator has received State planning approval, NSW for the Hunter Valley.

It is good that the new Labor Federal Government is supporting the previous government’s initiatives.

oeman 50
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 9, 2022 8:10 am

Sorry, Rud, but no U.S. utility today would dare risk billions of dollars (even if it got regulatory approval) in a new coal plant when it could be shut down by lawsuit, a change of regulation, an unelected bureaucrat, or the the stroke of a judge’s pen.

MarkW
Reply to  oeman 50
June 9, 2022 9:59 am

or the stroke of a president’s pen.

Rud Istvan
June 8, 2022 10:35 am

Of course they are doing this. Just like Modi promised. No other India options.

The US may now see new USC coal also. The breakeven LCOE for new USC coal is about $8/mbtu natgas CCGT. The Henry Hub price is now over $9 thanks to Biden fracking bans on public land, LNG demand, and the EU/Russia natgas situation.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 8, 2022 2:31 pm

Of course they are doing this.”
The usual level of “scepticism” found here. This is a report from “Vijay Jayaraj, a Research Associate at the CO2 Coalition, Arlington, Va.” A bit of due diligence is required.

VJ’s report says “India has ordered reopening more than 100 dormant coal mines“. So looking at the report he cites, India hasn’t ordered any reopening. What his source says is
Coal India Ltd (CIL) will invite bids from the private sector to reopen 20 closed mines in the next few weeks,” They aren’t ordering anything, and may well not get bidders. If they do, then
“”This pilot may be followed up with over 200 mines being brought under auctioning in phases,” one of the people said.”
May be followed up…someone said. And people might bid, and if they do, might decide to sink money into reopening the mines.

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 3:11 pm

Ordering, vs taking bids to re-open.

I guess when you are desperate to support an agenda, that sounds like a big deal.

Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2022 3:16 pm

The mines closed because they were uneconomic. The gov’t thinks that with higher prices, someone might think it worth another look.

They might. Or not. It’s nothing like VJ’s report says.

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 5:17 pm

That’s your interpretation, influenced by what you are paid to believe.

Alcheson
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 10:57 pm

Only uneconomic because of intentional regulations, taxes and red tape by governments pushing the phony AGW agenda.

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 3:22 pm

As a slight clarification I offer a bit more information: 204 coal blocks were cancelled in 2015 by the Indian High Court, this is now the second or third auction of coal blocks – 104 blocks have already been allocated in 2021-2022, leaving only 100 blocks left to be auctioned. They have received bids, allocated mining rights to the winning bidders and, I believe, that mining has already started or is due to start very shortly.

Editor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 3:24 pm

Hi Nick – you say “A bit of due diligence is required.”. Well, maybe you should have actually done some, it wasn’t all that difficult:

“The government plans to lease more than 100 dormant state-owned coal mines to private miners on a revenue-sharing basis.”

from India Times
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/coal/india-to-reopen-abandoned-coal-mines-as-heatwave-hits-supply/91388865

Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 8, 2022 3:48 pm

From your cited report
“Officials said they will “cut out the red tape” to encourage bids from mining giants Vedanta, Adani and others”

That is a long way from ordering the mines to open.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 4:26 pm

Maybe not! Given my 4:05pm citation from the WaPo below & the price of
energy zooming, they’ll probably have few of the 100 remaining out of 204 total
not getting bids. A major reason for them not to could be the flip-flopping of
greenie hypocrites!

“Earlier we were hailed as bad boys because we were promoting fossil fuel and now we are in the news that we are not supplying enough of it,” said India’s Coal Secretary, pointing to the negative coverage of a media that change colors as frequently as chameleons and the global hypocrisy over fossil fuels.”

Another reason could be a post-pandemic crash!

“The government says it plans to increase domestic coal production to 1.2 billion tonnes in the next two years to support a post-pandemic economic recovery.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/12/net-zero-india-plans-to-double-coal-use-by-2040/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=net-zero-india-plans-to-double-coal-use-by-2040

Editor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 5:07 pm

The government orders the department to open the mines. The department does that by inviting tenders – a slightly more effective method than the department office workers spreading out with shovels. Anyway, if we cut the hair-splitting, the message is clear: the Indian government is setting about opening or re-opening a large number of coal mines, and the people of India are more important than the greenies.

LdB
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 9, 2022 12:07 am

Yeah that is basically the way I read it … the wanting a profit share is code speak for they know it’s going to happen.

I think there is a lot more hoping and praying from Nick than actual belief.

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MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 5:19 pm

And you wonder why people call you nit-pick Nick.

Are you really this desperate to change the subject?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 8, 2022 8:29 pm

So… when you perfect time travel and decide to holiday in 1912 you are going to tell everyone that the new that an iceberg has caused a hull breach is a long way from saying the ship has sunk?

You are playing with words and you know it.

If you want to put forward a convincing argument, make one.

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 9, 2022 12:06 am

Try reading the statement again and in full.

They can hardly say company xyz is going to open mine x because they are doing a bidding process with a revenue-sharing basis.

It is the same if you decide to sell a house you can’t say you sold it but you know from the economic background the likelyhood of selling it.

The fact they are wanting a revenue-sharing basis (they are State assets) gives you a fairly good indication they know they are profitable.

I suspect it’s you who is clutching at straws so lets get your view if the proposed openings go ahead?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 9, 2022 4:08 am

“May be followed up…someone said. And people might bid, and if they do, might decide to sink money into reopening the mines.”

You ought to apply that kind of criticism to the claims that humans are altering the Earth’s climate with their CO2 production.

LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 9, 2022 6:23 am

It probably doesn’t matter anyhow we know there is 1M tonnes of coal from Adani mine heading to India

https://www.maritimegateway.com/adani-bags-key-coal-tender-in-india/

Adani is giving numbers between 25-50Million in first couple of years.
https://inqld.com.au/business/2022/05/30/rise-and-rise-of-adani-coal-giants-carmichael-mine-may-triple-in-size-as-part-of-planned-expansion/

Should we add the increase in Gautam Adani wealth
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-asia/article/3178290/gautam-adani-and-mukesh-ambani-profit-surging-coal-oil-amid

Apparently making money is all about timing .. who knew 🙂

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Old Man Winter
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 8, 2022 4:05 pm

“As cities went into rolling blackouts because of electricity shortages, the Power Ministry ordered
plants that burn imported coal to run at full capacity.

The environment ministry has given coal mines permission to boost production by up to 50% without seeking new permits, according to a May 7 memo. The memo attributed the relaxed environmental regulations to “huge pressure on domestic coal supply in the country” and said “all efforts are being made to meet the demand of coal.”” (Washington Post)

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2022/may/29/india-to-reopen-coal-mines-as-demand-for-energy/

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Gary Pearse
June 8, 2022 10:37 am

The countries whose policies are guided by what’s best for their own people are are former colonies, mainly of UK. I note that these countries are run by Trump-like “bad boys” in how they choose to interface with the world. Modi is going to Make India Great Again! (And help save our sorry asses elsewhere in the ‘British Commonwealth’)

markl
June 8, 2022 11:01 am

Go Woke, go broke. People are s l o w l y realizing the Marxist ideology push is not a conspiracy theory and they are out to control the world. After years in the shadows relentlessly indoctrinating and gaining powerful positions the Agenda 21/30 proponents have come out of the closet to a population that knows what they’re up to. AGW may be just a part of the plan but it ranks up there as one of the most damaging. AGW and ESG need to be put in their proper place which is destroyed.

marlene
June 8, 2022 11:02 am

“…to meet skyrocketing domestic power demand.” Good for them. But we in America don’t have such a leadership like India that cares about its people. 

Bruce Cobb
June 8, 2022 11:05 am

Uh-oh, how are they going to ‘splain this at the next shamapalooza climate frolics in Egypt?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 8, 2022 11:13 am

Easy. Don’t go.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 8, 2022 11:31 am

Extra Champaigne for all at the open bar and free drinks with little parasols for Mann

Bryan A
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 1:30 pm

Never attend one of His Lectures, he MANNSPLAINS everything

Richard Page
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 9, 2022 4:18 pm

Trust me, when India and China raise the bar for money to developing nations again then the developed nations won’t dare raise a fuss over a few coal mines. USA, EU and UK made this bed and they are going to be bloody uncomfortable lying in it – India and China will be happily turning the screws to get whatever they can whilst using whatever fuel they like to power their economies.

ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 11:20 am

I suggest naming one of them the Griff Pit.

michel
June 8, 2022 11:21 am

As I have said before, no-one believes it. Outside of small cliques in the US, UK and Australia. But the world in general, and in particular the biggest and fastest growing emitters, and the ones who are most at risk of catastrophe if there really is extreme global warming – none of them believe a word of it.

You just have to look at what they are doing. Come to the conferences, then veto any effective decisions, then go home and build more coal fired power stations.

It baffles me why the warmists do not see what is plainly in front of them.

Vuk
Reply to  michel
June 8, 2022 11:26 am

… and EU

michel
Reply to  Vuk
June 8, 2022 11:56 am

Well, Germany maybe, but they are engaged in a complete U-turn, while keeping on with the rhetoric. Even the Commission is reclassifying various previously incorrect fuels as green, or temporarily green, or honorary green.

Bryan A
Reply to  michel
June 8, 2022 1:38 pm

A kind of Dusty Mauve
Mauvelous simply Mauvelous

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  michel
June 8, 2022 12:11 pm

Probably because the “warmists” don’t understand and/or believe the dogma themsleves. All they see is an effective podium from which to pull money and power out of the pockets of the citizens.

Alcheson
Reply to  michel
June 8, 2022 11:00 pm

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with stopping global warming.

michel
Reply to  Alcheson
June 9, 2022 12:00 am

Yes, this is increasingly plausible, when you look at the policies that are advocated in Western countries where the political class is sold on warmism. They mostly have no discernible bearing on global warming – even if the theory were true, the policies would have no effect on it. But they are advocated with great passion.

Its very difficult to see what the motivation for this stuff is. On this site you will find many just saying dismissively that its really about control, or about the destruction of the economy.

But if you ask the real hard core green people, Extinction Rebellion for instance, or the Insulate Britain lot, they do seem quite genuinely to be citing the supposed climate crisis as their motivation. If you look at the UK Parliament Climate Change Committee, its hard to believe they are consciously trying to wreck the economy.

I suspect history will record it in the end as one of those episodes of mass hysteria which have happened before, and which are ultimately inexplicable.

PCman999
Reply to  michel
June 9, 2022 12:39 am

Besides burning supposed witches, and Nazism, I don’t recall any mass hysteria events. Always seemed like an overused sciency sounding phrase thrown about whenever something happened that couldn’t be explained.

But definitely climate change emergency crisis can be added to witch trials and Nazi-Hitler worship. Oh, and the Jim Jones cult and that other cult, all shod in white sneakers waiting for their comet-hiding spaceship to come take them away. Oh, and Scientology.

michel
Reply to  PCman999
June 10, 2022 12:30 am

There have been very many such events in modern history. Admittedly the term is not a very precise one, but its a category for delusional beliefs, without evidence at the time, which acquire large acceptance accompanied by intense feelings. Often such beliefs are clusters of logically unrelated ideas which nevertheless are accepted together. We seem prone to them as a species, but a couple of recent social developments have made us more so, and have increased the scale of them.

One has been the drift towards moral and epistemological relativism. That is, the view that ‘good’ means ‘good for me’, and that when I claim a proposition is true, that doesn’t mean it corresponds to reality, just that I assert it. People don’t know the philosophical background to these changes, but they have become part of the furniture and are now accepted without question as the way in which policy discussions are conducted.

The result has been a general devaluing of logical argument. Its often not even attempted, and careful logical dissection of ideas and policy proposals is denounced as denialism, racism, phobia etc.

A second has been the rise of mass communication, the press from the late 19th century and Internet from the late 20c. This has facilitated the dissemination of all kinds of ideas and allegations.

Climatism meets most of the criteria. Apocalyptic predictions for which there is little or no evidence. Policies advocated which won’t have any effect even if the predictions were valid. Lots of logically unrelated beliefs which form part of the faith, like the utility of wind and solar. Very strong feelings, denunciations of unbelievers, extreme demonstrations (as in Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain in the UK).

Another contemporary example of the thing is the Trans movement which expresses a similarly unreasoned set of beliefs and policies…. but that’s another story.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  michel
June 9, 2022 4:18 am

“It baffles me why the warmists do not see what is plainly in front of them.”

Alarmists don’t see a lot of what is in front of them. I think that’s part of their mental handicap.

Net Zero is dead for all practical purposes. India and China and Africa will negate any reductions in CO2 output by the stupid Western Democracies, who are bankrupting their countries in their efforts to reduce CO2.

Idiocracy in the Western Democracies. And Biden is the Chief Idiot.

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ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 11:25 am

Next thing you know they will be buying discounted Russian oil. oops

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 3:26 pm

That would be assuming that anybody actually stopped buying Russian oil. The information appears to be that the countries that have stopped using Russian oil can be counted on the fingers of one hand – so much for international solidarity.

PCman999
Reply to  Richard Page
June 9, 2022 12:42 am

It just shows how necessary oil is – and the proof is in the current price.

Net-Zero is a climate activist’s drug dream.

fretslider
June 8, 2022 11:45 am

Apparently, the Indians are buying cheap Russian oil and flogging it… to the US and EU

It’s a funny old world

Tom Abbott
Reply to  fretslider
June 9, 2022 4:30 am

It’s easy to take advantage of American Democrats. They are clueless about dealing with other nations and clueless about economics.

Gordon A. Dressler
June 8, 2022 11:53 am

India to the rest of the world: “Paris Climate Accords? You wanna see our Paris Climate Accords. We don’t need to show you any stinkin’ Paris Climate Accords!”

Or something like that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 9, 2022 4:33 am

India’s leaders are just exercising common sense. Common sense will make the Indian population happier. This will make the Indian leaders happy.

Make India Great Again!

TonyL
June 8, 2022 11:57 am

If I recall correctly, India banned and outlawed Greenpeace. Forced them right out of the country. Said their activities were damaging to National Security. That is ugly right there.
The next step was to label Greenpeace as international terrorists.
Greenpeace took the hint and evacuated the country.

So no, I do not think India cares what the international green blob thinks about them. At all.

Richard Page
Reply to  TonyL
June 8, 2022 3:36 pm

Partly – Greenpeace India had a limit on how much funding they could receive from foreign organisations (outside India) which they exceeded greatly for several years from Greenpeace International. Their assets were frozen and the offices shut down in 2015, forcing them to rely on donations from only within India – as a result, Greenpeace India are still going but virtually bankrupt.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Richard Page
June 8, 2022 6:24 pm

Perhaps it’s subtle, but Greanpeace is allowed to exist as an Indian funded NGO only. India is one of the few countries that believes in democracy and freedom these days. These are considered alt-right racist homophobe pursuits in the prevailing woke culture in the West.

Of course Modi does know also that there ain’t much funding available from Indian sources.

Andy Pattullo
June 8, 2022 12:07 pm

So India would rather feed its population, provide jobs and opportunities and grow the economy than to commit economic suicide based on eco-mythology just as India is emerging as a successful industrial nation with a large middle class. Fancy that. There is some common sense left in the world after all.

This is what I don’t understand – many leaders of wealthy western nations can be forgiven their idiotic policies and eco-lunacy – they just aren’t very smart to put it mildly. But they must all know in their own minds that they would chose survival and flourishing over destitution and early death. Why don’t they realize that their political career will end as soon as they they offer the latter to their citizens?

H.R.
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
June 8, 2022 4:58 pm

Because they are all part of the kleptocracy. Every last one of them.

Think big picture. When everything crashes and burns, the ones behind it all will relieve the 99% of their wealth, largely in the form of property while we are bartering our possessions amongst ourselves for food. When we are out of resources, they will buy everything up for a few potatoes and crusts of bread on the dollar; not even pennies on the dollar.

You might want to download a few stone soup recipes, because that’s what’s been planned for us.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
June 9, 2022 4:39 am

“So India would rather feed its population, provide jobs and opportunities and grow the economy than to commit economic suicide based on eco-mythology”

I think that sums it up perfectly. 🙂

kwinterkorn
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
June 9, 2022 6:47 am

It is not about smart or stupid, that is, not about IQ’s or intellectual power. It is about something broader and deeper.

I think you have to get Nietzschean to grasp the big picture on this. Nietzsche described the character of rising or ascendent cultures vs falling, late, descendent cultures.

A few hundred years ago, India and China fit well Nietzsche’s description of old cultures in decay. Europe at the time was beginning its great rise to world dominance.

Rising cultures believe in themselves. Rising cultures burst with optimism. They are aggressive and seek to dominate….and they have no problem with shame or guilt as they dominate.

Decaying cultures do not believe in themselves. A free floating guilt and despair for the future are typical. This is Western Civilization today.

An example: It was actually all those dead white European males in the 1600 and 1700’s that began first to write and speak out against slavery. By early the 1800’s slavery was illegal in most of Western Europe. Yet it was still legal everywhere in Asia, Africa, South America, and the Middle East. The idea that all humans are equal and rightfully free is a flower that bloomed first in Western Civilization, especially within Protestant Christianity.

Yet today, the West self-immolates in shame over its past “imperialism”. It talks as if White Europeans invented slavery.

This is historically absurd.

But Western Civlization is clearly in a Nietzschean decline. It despises itself. It is wracked by guilt. It is attracted to weird fantasies of the End Times Coming (the Climate Change Apocalypse). People stop bothering to have children. Basic instincts fall to chaos (I mean they cannot even define what a woman is.….really!).

Meanwhile, various old cultures that were in decay hit bottom. Out of their ashes new vibrancy and growth are arising. I mean, of course, India and China.

This is a process of centuries. Don’t expect any quick change in the courses of these cultures. The West is falling; it will look like suicide. The East is rising.

ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 12:11 pm

It’s for the children and it depends on your definition of “is”.

ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 12:13 pm

It looks like the handlers have waived Griff off on this one.

H.R.
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 8, 2022 5:07 pm

Nah. griff is off in the corner of mom’s basement, weeping. griff’ll be back after a suitable mourning period.

PCman999
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 9, 2022 12:45 am

Griff is working hard on his next post, claiming the huge increase in coal production is to support a huge ramp up in solar cell production.

Bob
June 8, 2022 12:14 pm

While I celebrate India’s move to provide reliable, dispatchable, affordable energy, I think it is a bad idea to abandon all environmental regulations. Just as I distrust and abhor the mindless dredges pushing net zero I feel the same about those who would throw caution to the wind and not put forth a basic effort to produce energy as cleanly as possible and reasonable, just to make another buck.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob
June 8, 2022 12:24 pm

I don’t know about India, but here in the US at least 90% of environmental regulations were never designed to help the environment. They were designed solely to make economic activity too expensive to continue.

Basically what environmental problems that did exist were solved by the early 80’s.

Ivo
Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2022 1:54 pm

In many if not most cases, the intent is to make economic activity too expensive for less thoroughly capitalized potential competitors to continue.

Bob
Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2022 2:17 pm

Yes Mark that is not reasonable.

The Dark Lord
Reply to  Bob
June 8, 2022 1:13 pm

nice strawman … they are not abandoning all environmental regulations.

Bob
Reply to  The Dark Lord
June 8, 2022 2:20 pm

So what is your point? It sounds like you agree with me, nice to have you on board.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Bob
June 8, 2022 6:40 pm

Bob you know that we have way overdone environment so it all could be cut back some. In the case of poisonous chemicals, sewage and the like yeah there should ample safeguarda. Coal? Maybe attenuate dust, but you could put a lump of coal in your glass of water without a problem.

Nixon’s EPA cleaned up the smog and industrial smoke. Lead was taken out of gasoline, scrubbers put on smelters and coal-fired planrs. Since, the trend has been to tighten the screws to harm and destroy industry by neomarxists.

Bob
Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 10, 2022 9:29 pm

Yes, I am with you Gary. Most of the important environmental steps have already been taken. In addition we have taken environmental actions that were unnecessary and won’t/can’t accomplish a damn thing. The worthless legislation/regulations should be eliminated however those first and reasonable should stay in place. I say reasonable because not even some of the first regulations were good, reasonable or justified.

n.n
June 8, 2022 12:14 pm

Follow the science, go green with minority minority emission. Good for them.

Klem
June 8, 2022 1:00 pm

Did Klaus give his permission to do that?

WorkingDawg
June 8, 2022 1:01 pm

Good for them!

Mike Lowe
June 8, 2022 1:25 pm

Quoting a “Research Assistant” trained at the University of East Anglia does nothing to enhance his contorted reasoning! Could hardly have found a more useless place to be “trained”!

Joe
June 8, 2022 2:38 pm

The irony is though india and China have increased coal, power and steel production are collapsing.

Clearly the coal is of low quality, and as this site is mentally retarded, it can’t present facts correctly.

Joe
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 2:47 pm

For future reference, if you’re going to talk about resources, there’s three things to discuss. One, the production. Two, inventory. Three, the result (power, vehicle miles etc). If production grows but the other things don’t then something is wrong, either fake statistics or they are not using it.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 3:39 pm

When I was last in China I didn’t see any power collapsing, the aircraft left on time, unlike in Europe, and you could set your watch by the trains we used, inc the high speed ones you don’t have in the UK.

Joe
Reply to  pigs_in_space
June 8, 2022 3:50 pm

In reality millions are dying of cold and the failaids pandemic and your post is basically Chinese propaganda.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 4:39 pm

He is quite correct. When I was last in China (2018), I experienced what he did. I am in regular communication with friends in China and things are a problem now due to covid over-regulation.

MarkW
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 8, 2022 5:28 pm

Joe lives in his own reality that only occasionally intersects with our own.

Joe
Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2022 6:56 pm

Lib, what will you accept as evidence? When calories fall to starvation level and you’re physically annihilated, will that be evidence?

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Joe
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
June 8, 2022 5:33 pm

Rapid social collapse that kills millions also.

b.nice
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 6:03 pm

Caused by the greenie anti-CO2 agenda.

Joe
Reply to  b.nice
June 8, 2022 6:25 pm

Yes, sure, you’ll die at last.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Joe
June 9, 2022 3:18 am

What a prat!
It shows your ignorance.

I had a work visa in China, so I was getting paid for my work. All you can come out with is crap and insults!

Editor
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 3:45 pm

Actually, India’s steel production is up quite sharply over the last year:
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Power generation is up too, over the last few years, mostly from coal (up nearly 400k GWh since 2011/2). See ‘Yearly gross electricity generation by source (GWh)’ in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_India

Joe
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 8, 2022 3:50 pm

Meanwhile their electricity production is destroyed.

Joe
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 8, 2022 3:57 pm

Here’s a case where the editors of your own site made a categorically false claim.

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PCman999
Reply to  Joe
June 9, 2022 12:54 am

So it dropped because of covid-stupidity.

Do you have any recent statistics?

Why do you bother posting? I’m sure there are some kids running across your lawn that you can yell at, instead of taking up comments space with posts that make Griff look like a genius.

Joe
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 4:05 pm

I’d like to point out libs statistics are mathematically impossible. In BRICS life expectancy and fertility are down and population growth is positive. This is impossible. It’s obvious there’s huge unrecorded death and these countries are already in collapse. America could already be declining population, it’s just that obesity falling makes it healthier for a brief time.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joe
June 9, 2022 4:57 am

“America could already be declining population”

Have you seen the American southern border lately?

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 4:39 pm

So what’s your point? Are you advocating they use wind or solar to deliver a more efficient power grid? If so then you are truly a moron and a jackass.

MarkW
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
June 8, 2022 5:31 pm

Joe doesn’t have a point. He’s an old hand here. Like Nick he loves to dominate conversations, except he doesn’t even try to make sense.
The last time through here, under a different name, the moderators had to place him under a daily post limit.

PCman999
Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2022 12:58 am

There should be an option to block a user – even if they can still post I want to be able to block the crazy stupid trolls so I don’t have to waste my thumbs away scrolling through his dumbass comments.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
June 9, 2022 4:59 am

“There should be an option to block a user”

Just move on to the next comment.

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pigs_in_space
Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2022 3:20 am

seems like they need to stick it to him again!

Joe
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
June 8, 2022 5:32 pm

I’m advocating you destroy oil inventory and die faster.

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 7:07 pm

You are a moron and a jackass. Eliminate oil and society collapses and dies shithead

Joe
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
June 8, 2022 9:59 pm

That’s good

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Joe
June 8, 2022 7:07 pm

How’s the weather in Moskva, tovarish?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 9, 2022 3:22 am

Actually weather in Russia has been pretty miserable this year – freezing cold (now just 12c in Ural and bitter spring in SPB and Baltic states).

When will we get some warmth like further south?

June 8, 2022 3:49 pm

The Indians clearly have their heads screwed on the right way round, facing forward to the future and not into Fantasy Land.

James F. Evans
June 8, 2022 4:06 pm

Good

Ed Zuiderwijk
June 8, 2022 7:01 pm

India is just following the real science and knows that there is no climate emergency at all.

An important factor in spiting the collective international alarmists is that a few years ago they forbade Greenpeace operations by declaring it a hostile organisation. The absence of the constant meddling of that NGO in political affairs must have had an effect on the mindset of decision makers.

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lyn roberts
June 9, 2022 1:53 am

I had to explain to a greenie, that I had solar panels on my roof and it saved me a fortune in power. Her face lit up she was delighted for me, but then I went on to explain that at night and late in the afternoon, checked late this afternoon 54 watts, enough to maybe drive a lightbulb. they do not generate power nor do they generate from moonlight. She was not so delighted at that thought. I waited for the question, what about batteries, at 15,000 dollars for a battery pack where do you think I am going to get that money from as I am a pensioner. She looked at me blankly, she just did not get it that at night I use coal fired power, and if I had a electric car or mobiity cart, which is only a matter of time, I would be using during the day and charging at night, again on coal . I use my own solar power during the day as much as practical, washing dishes, washing clothes, opening and closing my fridge/deepfreeze, cooking and preparing meals. And yes I do run aircon summer and warming in winter for a heart failure husband which drives our power bills higher.

David P
June 9, 2022 6:57 am

Good for India. Now do the same in the US with oil.

ResourceGuy
June 9, 2022 8:45 am
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