Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to President Obama, there should be more government censorship of social media and internet search, to prevent the spread of “toxic information”, like climate skeptics and the opinions of people who don’t trust Dr. Fauci. But expressing the opinion that Russia rigged the 2016 election is completely fine.
APRIL 21, 2022
‘Regulation has to be part of the answer’ to combating online disinformation, Barack Obama said at Stanford event
Former U.S. President Barack Obama delivered a keynote address about how information is created and consumed, and the threat that disinformation poses to democracy.
BY MELISSA DE WITTE, TAYLOR KUBOTA, AND KER THAN
This story was updated on Thursday, April 21, at 6:51 p.m. PT
During a speech at Stanford University on Thursday, former U.S. President Barack Obama presented his audience with a stark choice: “Do we allow our democracy to wither, or do we make it better?”
Former U.S. President Barack Obama delivered a keynote address about how information is created and consumed, and the threat that disinformation poses to democracy.
Over the course of an hour-long address, Obama outlined the threats that disinformation online, including deepfake technology powered by AI, poses to democracy as well as ways he thought the problems might be addressed in the United States and abroad.
“This is an opportunity, it’s a chance that we should welcome for governments to take on a big important problem and prove that democracy and innovation can coexist,” Obama said.
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Read more: https://news.stanford.edu/2022/04/21/disinformation-weakening-democracy-barack-obama-said/
The full video – Obama’s speech starts at around 9:13.
From the video;
“One of the biggest reasons for democracies weakening, is the profound change in how we communicate”
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“20 years ago, the pillars of web search were comprehensiveness, relevance, speed. But with the rise of social media, and the need to better understand people’s online behaviour, in order to sell more advertising, companies wanted to collect more data, more companies optimised for personalisation, engagement and speed. And unfortunately it turns out that inflammatory polarising content attracts and engages. Other features of these platforms have compounded the problem, for example the way content looks on your phone, as well as the veil of anonymity that platforms provide their users, a lot of times can make it impossible to tell the difference between say a peer reviewed article by Dr. Anthony Fauci, and a miracle cure being pitched by a huckster. And meanwhile sophisticated actors, from political consultants to commercial interests to intelligence arms of foreign powers, can game platform algorithms, or artificially boost the reach of deception, or harmful messages.
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Now, its true, tech companies and social media platforms are not the only distributors of toxic information, promise me, ah I promise, I’ve spent a lot of time in Washington, right? In fact, some of the most outrageous content on the web, originates from traditional media.
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Take Covid. The fact that scientists developed safe, effective vaccines in record time is an unbelievable achievement. And yet, despite the fact we’ve now essentially clinically tested the vaccine on billions of people worldwide, around one in five Americans is still willing to put themselves at risk, and put their families at risk, rather than get vaccinated. People are dying, because of misinformation.
I already mentioned the 2020 Presidential Election. President Trump’s own attorney general has said the justice department uncovered no evidence of widespread evidence. A review of the ballots in Arizona’s largest county, the results of which were endorsed by some pretty courageous Republicans, because many of them harassed, and received death threats, actually found more votes for President Biden and fewer votes for President Trump. And yet, today, as we speak, a majority of Republicans still insist that President Biden’s victory was not legitimate. That’s a lot of people.
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People like Putin, and Steve Bannon for that matter, understand its not necessary for people to believe disinformation in order to weaken democratic institutions. You just have to flood a country’s public square with enough raw sewage, you just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorising, that citizens no longer know what to believe.
Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of truth, the game’s won. And as Putin discovered leading up to the 2016 election, our own social media platforms are well designed to support such a mission, such a project.”
— lots of nonsense about Russia meddling in the 2016 election —No-one in my administration was surprised that Russia was attempting to meddle in our election, they’ve been doing that for years, or that it was using social media in their efforts. Before the election I directed to intelligence officials to expose those efforts to the press and to the public. What does still nag at me though, was my failure to fully appreciate at the time, just how susceptible we had become, to lies and conspiracy theories. Despite having spent years being a target of disinformation myself.
Putin didn’t do that. He didn’t have to. We did it to ourselves.
So where do we go from here? If we do nothing, I’m convinced the trends we’ve that we’re seeing will get worse. New technology is already challenging how we regulate the currency, how we keep consumers safe from fraud, and with the emergence of AI, disinformation will grow more sophisticated. I’ve already seen demonstrations of deep fake technology, which shows what looks like me, on a screen, saying stuff I didn’t say.
Fortunately I am convinced it is possible to preserve the transformative power and promise of the open internet, while at least mitigating the worst of its harms. And I believe those of you in the tech community, soon to be in the tech community, not just its corporate leaders, but employees at every level, have to be part of the solution.
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The essence of this place, what put Silicon Valley on the map, is a spirit of innovation. Its what led to the globally integrated internet, all its remarkable applications. What we’ve now learned is, the product has some design flaws. There are some bugs in the software.
We don’t have to just leave it like that. Through the same spirit of innovation, we can make it better.
So I want to make some general suggestions, for what that work might look like.
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We aren’t going to get rid of all offensive or inflammatory content on the web. We’d be wrong to try. Freedom of speech is at the heart of every Democratic society. In America those protections are enshrined in the first amendment in our constitution. There’s a reason it came first. I’m pretty close to a first amendment absolutist. I’m pretty sure that in most instances, the answer to bad speech is good speech. I believe that the free, robust, sometimes antagonistic exchange of ideas produces better outcomes and a healthier society. No democratic government can or should do what China for example is doing, simply telling people what they can or cannot say or publish, while trying to control what others say about their country abroad. And I don’t have a lot of confidence that any single individual or organisation, private or public, should be charged or do a good job determining who gets to hear what.
That said, the first amendment is a check on the power of the state. It doesn’t apply to private companies, like Facebook or Twitter, any more than it applies to editorial decisions made by the New York Times or Fox News. Never has. Social media companies already make choices about what is or is not allowed on their platforms, and how that content appears, both explicitly through content moderations, or implicitly through algorithms.
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When I’m going to evaluate any proposal touching on social media and the internet, is whether it strengthens or weakens the prospects for a healthy inclusive democracy. Whether it encourages robust debate, and respect for our differences. Whether it reinforces rule of law, and self governance. Whether it helps us make collective decisions based on the best available information. And whether it recognises the rights, the freedoms and dignity of all of our citizens. Whatever changes contribute to that vision, I’m for. Whatever erodes that vision, I’m against.
Just so you know.
Alright, with that as my starting point I believe we have to address, not just the supply of toxic information, but also the demand for it. On the supply side, tech platforms need to accept that they play a unique role in how we as a people and people around the world are consuming information, and that their decisions have an impact on every aspect of society.
With that power comes accountability. And in democracies like ours at least, the need for some democratic oversight.
For years social media companies have resisted that kind of accountability. They’re not unique in that regard, every private corporation wants to do anything it wants. So the social media platforms call themselves neutral platforms, with no editorial role in what their users saw. They insisted that the content people see on social media has no impact on their beliefs or behaviour, even though their business models and their profits are based on telling advertisers the exact opposite.
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An interesting study came out recently, and this is just one study, so take it with a grain of salt, but the researchers paid a large group of regular Fox News watchers to watch CNN for a month. And these were not swing voters, these were hard core hand on knee Carlson fans, right there. And the researchers found, that at the end of the month, peoples views on certain issues, like whether voting by mail should be allowed, or whether electing Joe Biden would lead to more violence against police, on some of these issues, their views had changed by 5, 8, 10 points. These people didn’t suddenly turn into liberals. I’m sure they still don’t like me. But at the margins, they had reshaped their perspectives in meaningful ways. Studies like this show our opinions aren’t fixed, and that means our divisions aren’t fixed either, if we can agree on some common baseline of facts, and can agree on some common baseline of how we sort out our disagreements.
The divisions which exist in this country aren’t going away anytime soon, but the information we get, the stories we tell ourselves, as Lincoln said, can encourage the better angels of our nature. They can also encourage the worst. And a healthy democracy depends on our better angels being encouraged.
So, as citizens, we have to take it upon ourselves, to become better consumers of news, looking at sources, thinking before we share, and teaching our kids to become critical thinkers who know how to evaluate sources, and separate opinion from fact. In fact a number of school districts are working to train kids in this kind of online media literacy, not around any particular idealogical perspective, but just, how to check a source. Does this person who is typing in his mother’s basement in his underwear, seem a credible authority on climate change? That is something we should all want to support. Part of this project is also going to include finding creative ways to reinvigorate quality journalism, including local journalism.
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Source: The Youtube Video Above
Obama spent the first part of his speech lamenting the old days, when everyone got their “facts” from the same small set of networks.
The most fascinating part of Obama’s speech for me, is how he seems to believe people should blindly defer to authority. Trust Fauci’s words because he is an authority, not because his words make sense. Don’t listen to the guy in his mother’s basement in his underwear, because he’s not someone like Fauci. Give your faith to President Biden, because he is the President.
In fact the entire speech in my opinion was a lament about how the hold of old authorities has been weakened, and how new authorities must be established – like his plan for ensuring school kids are trained in rigidly conformist methods of news evaluation, which would likely lead to them all reaching very similar conclusions.
I never blindly accept the words of someone just because I think they are an authority. I expect their words to make sense. My trust in their words has to be earned, and once that trust is broken, good luck getting it back.
As the Royal Society used to believe, nullius in verba. Take nobody’s word for it. In God we Trust, everyone else has to provide evidence.
The society Obama describes would still pay lip service to freedom of speech – all those opinions would still be out there somewhere. But the goal appears to be to rigidly exclude and isolate people with non mainstream views, to prevent them from linking with others who think like them, to hide them away, by actively censoring non mainstream views from the town square of social media and internet search. Climate skeptics would be free to write their opinions on web pages – but nobody would ever find their website through a web search, and people who tried to share climate skeptic articles would be censored by social media.
We have already had a taste of this kind of anti-freedom censorship – Facebook’s backflip on whether it would allow Covid lab leak theories to be discussed by users. One minute the theory was banned from the social media town square, the next minute Fauci softened his viewpoint, and Facebook took this as a cue to allow users to discuss the lab leak theory.
Imagine Facebook’s Covid lab leak censorship absurdity extended to every facet of your online life, and you get an idea of how horrible Obama’s locked down information society would be.
I don’t know if Covid leaked from a lab, maybe we will never know – but it is outrageous that people were restricted from discussing such an obvious possibility, until Fauci signalled discussion of the lab leak theory was now acceptable.
Science, more than any other field, would be damaged by such censorship. Science experiences its most rapid advances when an upstart challenges and overturns the beliefs of the many – when a newcomer proves someone like Fauci is wrong. But that upstart has to be heard, before they can challenge the beliefs of the powerful.
I’m not suggesting every upstart or challenge to established scientific theory should succeed. There are many more ways to be wrong than right, most crackpots are just crackpots.
But my heart goes out to people like Barry Marshall, the hero doctor who overturned an entire field of medicine, by putting his own life at risk to prove they were wrong. Barry endured years of exclusion and dismissal from medical authorities and his peers, until his desperate act finally drew attention, and overcame the medical community’s reluctance to review his evidence based challenge to their beliefs.
Medical authorities thought Barry Marshall was a crackpot, until he up and won a Nobel Prize for his groundbreaking work. A policy which excludes crackpots on the word of establishment leaders would also exclude people like Barry Marshall. To exclude such people from the town square because their opinion contradicts establishment viewpoints would be to exclude the possibility of a better tomorrow.
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I think the response of most readers here is fairly predictable (especially considering the messenger). My first reaction is that regulating internet media is a slippery slope to be avoided. However, we have to remember that not all speech is protected (can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, fighting words conspiracy laws, libel, etc). We already have the social media companies censoring things, but they are private companies which should not be required to accept content that they disagree with. No one is required to read Facebook or post content there. Just leave them alone. Since about 1990 we have had a proliferation of new sources of news and information on radio, TV, and the internet. This seems to have facilitated a kind of Balkanization of political views, at least in the US. Now, a lot of people form their opinion about things as much by who is for or against something as opposed to evaluating everything on its merits. Unfortunately, there is no way to teach people to think critically about any number of issues. Of course, this very issue is highly political. The people who want more regulation of speech (and just about everything else) are liberals. I don’t like that. Conservatives are less inclined to do this (except when it suits them).
There is a lot of opinion that the social media should be common carriers. In other words, they should not be able to discriminate against customers just because they don’t like their opinions.
I guess that already applies to the “pipes”, but how do you do that with content providers? Tricky problem for sure.
This is a very important discussion that most people don’t seem to want to have.
I just read an article about a spreading problem in Texas, attributed solely to ‘conservative’ factions. The claim is that cliques are investigating public libraries and making largish lists of books that they believe should not be presented to people (maybe children will see/read them, etc.) and conservative political forces (e.g. local judges, council members, etc.) are leaning on libraries to get books removed and/or put into restrictive circulation catagories.
Of course, since this was an article written by a journalist, one should not lightly give faith that it is in whole, or even part, true. However, this would not be the first time something of the sort has happened.
No kidding the left loves to ban speech
All named parties were “right wing conservatives”, not on the left.
Andy, I suppose we could all fight any tendency to discriminate against what damages ourselves or others by simply permitting abusive conduct, drugs, and corrupting influences for our own use and in our encounters with one another; under the fast emerging controlling consideration that any restriction signals some inequitable favoritism given all the options before us. But of course that is just where we’ll be left when we fail to embrace every trustworthy revealed guiding light for our walk through an enveloping darkness.
If there is a feeling in any jurisdiction that those acting on behalf of the public are failing to be mindful of its wishes, there is no reason members of the public can’t organize to make their wishes known. Suppose what is reported is exactly true. What is the issue? If the library receives public funds, the public is entiteled to an opinion on how they should be spent. Even if such an opinion is, in the eyes of others, wrong-headed.
Obviously it is only some fraction of the public that wants any particular restriction. Those that don’t want to know always have the option not to read. What they really want is for you not to know. This is no different than any other censorship. Some one with some power is deciding what you or others will be allowed to become aware of. The climate activists who suppress debate and/or airing of contrary information are doing nothing the least bit different.
So, you’re suggesting that if some folks wanted to keep Hustler magazine out of the public library they are just a bunch of knuckle-dragging censors?
The people who pay the piper get to call the tune. Libraries have limited funds, they perforce “censor” what is available because they can’t buy every book and periodical in existence. If a community doesn’t want to spend their money for a particular purpose, I don’t see a problem. I may not agree with their choice, but it should be their choice.
You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, but they seem to yell “Climate Crisis! ” for every storm or flood or forest fire that appears.
“However, we have to remember that not all speech is protected (can’t yell fire in a crowded theater,”
Not quite the case: https://www.whalenlawoffice.com/legal-mythbusting-series-yelling-fire-in-a-crowded-theater/
they are private companies which should not be required to accept content that they disagree with
Not if they ALSO enjoy the benefit of Section 230 common carrier exemptions. By your reasoning, the phone company should also be free to censor content they disagree with. And you email service. They’re all private companies, after all, right?
As long as they have section 230 protection, then no censorship should be applied. If they want to give that up, then by all means, censor away.
According to President Obama, there should be more government censorship of social media and internet search, to prevent the spread of “toxic information”…
And who decides what is toxic?
A roomful of radicalised millenial activists?
Got it
The poison will call the antidote a poison.
though it wasn’t widely publicized, obama while president removed the prohibition on the US government from using propaganda on US citizens in the US. interesting in the projection sense that he is complaining about “mis/disinformation” used on people when he legalized its use on US citizens within the US.
“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion”. Propaganda by government and Joe Goebbels. Without a single shot being fired, a revolution is nearly lost that has allowed Free Press to challenge management.
Authoritarians just gotta control you by any means at hand.
So funny that Obama puts himself forward as being a thought leader on how to distinguish misinformation from truth. Is that because he spent his political career specializing in misinformation and propaganda like most professional politicians? Most of what he says about vaccines is wrong based on true scientific observations. Anthony Fauci is a traitor to the scientific process. There are many good reasons for people to be skeptical and to decide to avoid the experimental mRNA vaccines given what we know so far, and the fact most people are at minimal risk for serious consequences from CoVID. The idea people should blindly follow the advice of authorities without question is unscientific and also very dangerous in terms of ultimately destroying the credibility of those same authorities once they are again proved wrong.
Setting aside planned parent/hood Choices and facilities in Michigan, New York, etc., the mortality rate attributed to Covid-19, 20, 21, and 22, far exceeded expectations based on outcomes observed in European cohorts of the same age, sex, and comorbidities, with early, effective, affordable, safe treatments.
The non-sterilizing “vaccines” with progressive effects in the immediate term, and more that will not be known for years, perhaps a decade or more. Natural immunity has proven to be both more robust and durable over the same period, with less victims and collateral damage.
There’s no around it. I’m sorry Republicans, but you HAVE to go there. The first black (no black ancestors brought over on a ship) President of the United States was a DISASTER. Nothing about it was a positive. By the way, Trump WON after Obuma. You don’t have to lose. You just have to quit worrying about offending slow suburban wine moms.
“…and the threat that disinformation poses to democracy.”
This is precisely the reason information from the broadest range of sources has to be permitted.
The ‘need’ for a speech like Obama’s is a huge ‘tell’. It is this. Despite ‘his side’ having control of most of the world’s media, most of the financial resources, almost every academic institution K-PhD, UN and other NGOs, scholarly publishers … etc., they still are foiled by the comparatively very small dissident voice.
Why is this? One big reason is, when one ‘side’ has, say, 90% support, the huge participation encourages people to put out low quality, high volume chaff that dilutes any possible, more thoughtful ‘take’ that their community might have. Why be thoughtful or risk your position in debate with a dissident when the majority is basically in the bag. Canned thought, like “talking points” for ordinary and intelligent laymen alike are immediately obvious, with the same links and verbiage. A thousand people brandishing the same memorized talking points are no match for one thoughtful, logical dissident who has familiarized himself with the subject at hand and his adversaries’ arguments.
So the students and staff had to listen to an hour of misinformation from someone who did the same when he was “president”.
Is this the same person who was ‘resident” of 57 states?
“One of Obama’s great gifts is the ability to say things that are absolutely absurd and make them sound not only plausible, but inspiring.” – T. Sowell
Now that is a dangerous man!
Hi Eric,
Great post!
Given that, you might find this interesting. For me, it was one of those things that I can never forget after reading it:
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45 ~ Milton Mayer
But Then It Was Too Late
https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
And here is an article that mirrors that today:
The Great Acquiescence
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/16/patrick-lawrence-the-great-acquiescence-glory-to-ukraine/”
Obama is just reassuring people of their natural proclivity: “Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?” And with that, none of the details matter, about anything.
If I could give this 100 up votes, I would.
Atlas Shrugged made a similar point, people were expected to treat directives as if they were unbreakable physical laws.
I think every democracy and republic dances on the edge of authoritarian disaster, but contains the mechanisms to prevent that disaster, providing there are sufficient people of good will to ensure said mechanisms work.
“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.”
That is disturbingly close to what we see today.
Disinformation?
“If you like your Heathcare plan, you can keep your Healthcare plan. Period”
President Obama: ‘I am sorry’ – YouTube
Never forget the don’t cross this line in the sand along with Benghazi was started by an internet video 😉
BHO’s OPINION does not make a theory a FACT. Nor does the fact that it supports his social and political narratives make it TRUE.
BHO has the audacity to conflate respected scientists like Judith Curry (GeoTech), Richard Lindzen (MIT), William Happer et al with snake oil salesmen.
If we were to put up FALSE claims about catastrophic dangers of CO2 emissions by supposed “scientists” (Michael Mann, Phil Jones et al) most politicians (John Kerry) or anyone in the MSM against the claims of the former group, my money will be on the skeptics in the timeframe the “alarmists” are proposing..
And skepticism is one of the bedrocks of true science.
The idea that democracy is improved with government condoned censorship is right out of 1984.
I thought the clinical testing takes place in a clinic before the product is imposed on billions of people. I guess I was wrong.
You should be proud to be part of the largest global clinical trial ever!
And even though we’re all part of the Control Group, at least I know that I got the placebo…
/sarc
And here, all along, I was taught that it was the job of the US Supreme Court—and NOT that of the President or an ex-President—to (ultimately) establish how the US Constitution, particularly its First Amendment, was to be interpreted and applied across the United States and its territories.
Obama . . . you got any free time in your retirement to read up on the Constitution, paying particular attention the “separation of powers” enumerated therein???
One can only wonder what the Stanford “scholars” in Constitutional law may have thought about Barack’s keynote address.
The courts have, time and again, explicitly stated that they act under the assumption that any action the legislature takes is allowed, no matter it is unconstitutional on its face. This seems to also be the case in regard to the Executive.
If they can find a way to address an action brought against a legislative enactment that does not consider the Constitution, they will (And they usually can. The Supreme Court will often refuse to hear cases on some particular complaint, often enough for years, until they have one that allows them to rule in favor of the government, closing out all other considerations).
When the argument is between different sectors of government, such as between the Executive and the Legislature, hearings and rulings will often come with tornado speeds but the cries of individuals are only infrequently heard.
Government is a priori lawful by virtue of being what makes the laws. No government is going to outlaw itself.
But laws don’t determine what is right and wrong, only what is legal.
“No government is going to outlaw itself.”
Really?
Well, the US Government “outlawed itself” (outlawed actions that the Government itself has previously said were legal, and had acted in accordance with) in the cases of:
— allowing slavery (13th Amendment to the Constitution)
— banning voting based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude (15th Amendment to the Constitution)
— preventing women from voting (19th Amendment to the Constitution)
— allowing the manufacture, sale and transport of alcoholic beverages (18th Amendment to the Constitution)
— preventing the manufacture, sale and transport of alcoholic beverages, as established by the 18th Amendment (21st Amendment to the Constitution)
— allowing collection of a poll tax for elections of federal officials (24th Amendment to the Constitution
The foresight of the “Founding Fathers” that brought forth the US Constitution, with recognition of the need and inclusion of the mechanism for Governmental self-correction over time, is just amazing!
Well, what you assert does NOT seem to be the case with U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, who just this past Monday struck down the federal mask mandate for airplanes and other modes of public transportation Monday, citing that the CDC (an agency of the Executive branch) had exceeded its authority and failed to follow proper rulemaking procedures.
Whether or not the US Supreme court decides to hear an appeal on this ruling, and how they may vote on a final decision, remains to be seen.
But clearly, the Judicial branch is not just kowtowing to the Executive branch.
I fail to see what Constitutional restriction was addressed or where there was any conflict between rights of persons and government restrictions thereon, brought into consideration. The fact that there have been many rullings against agency regulations based on the agency exceeding authority of the legislation that created it has, for the most part, nothing to do with individual rights or Constitutional protections. Try to keep the narative straight.
SCOTUS – nowhere is the Court given “judicial review” authority. The Court created its own authority in 1803. COS – Should have been called, Convention of States. Maybe 6 times since the signing of the Constitution.
You stated: “SCOTUS – nowhere is the Court given “judicial review” authority.”
US Constitution, Article III. – The Judicial Branch, Section 1 – Judicial powers:
“The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.”
No further response is necessary.
“And here, all along, I was taught that it was the job of the US Supreme Court…”
So you have to be on the USSC to have a view on the First Amendment? I’ve heard plenty hear expressing views.
Your comment presents a non-sequitur, but I’ll reply nonetheless.
Some “express views”, others advance propaganda toward dismissing Constitutional rights . . . methinks Barry is properly characterized as more of the latter and less of the former.
More simply put: anyone can express a “view” on anything but that does not mean he/she is correct, factually or ethically.
The progressives control the legacy media. It’s already censored. But the progressives don’t control what is published online. They have to censor that.
The funny bit is the attempt at control diminishes the value. The takeover of legacy media succeeded – but nobody watches it anymore. Similarly an attempt to take over Farcebook or Goggle would diminish its value to its current audience, prompting people to move on to other platforms.
He’s just upset Biden has taken over his “worst.president.ever” title.
I wonder if the Obamas involvement with Netflix and the progressive crap Barry and Michelle produce for the streamer has anything to do with Netflix’s drop in subscribers?
Netflix has too much programming that appeals to the far-left. Why would anybody else watch it?
The supreme irony here is Obama’s own party’s promotion of the Steele Dossier and all the fake news coverage that evolved from it.
And cover-ups of Obama’s world war Spring series from Tripoli, forward, catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform, progressive prices and affordability, funding and operation of illicit biolabs through shared/shifted responsibility, and, of course, the misinformation and disinformation spread and brayed by officials, peer-reviewed publications, mainstream news, and Democrat politicians to steer the vote.
Obama makes one small mistake, and all of the errors in his speech derive from that.
He says: “I’m pretty sure that in most instances, the answer to bad speech is good speech.”.
The correct notion is that in all instances, the answer to bad speech is good speech.
If he wants an end to misinformation, all he has to do is to argue the case. It can take a long time for the misinformation to be overcome, and by the time that has been achieved there will be a lot of new misinformation, but the extremely valuable outcome that Obama has missed is that during the dialogue process society will have become a bit more robust – a bit more capable of recognising misinformation for themselves. And that is what makes a strong democracy.
That is how America became a strong democracy, and hopefully – if Obama’s authoritarian nonsense can be overcome – it is how America will remain a strong democracy. Difficult it may be, but we must not try to prevent Obama from speaking, we must keep arguing the case.
“If we all think alike, no one is thinking.”
— Benjamin Franklin
(Benjamin Franklin was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and a drafter and signer of the United States Declaration of Independence. He must be turning in his grave over the likes of Barack Obama and their relentless attack on the American freedoms which he and others set up so well all those years ago.)
”If you don’t do your own thinking, others will do the thinking for you – it’s called fascism”
— Jacque Fresco
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
— H. L. Mencken
“It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.”
— Voltaire
<i>“If we all think alike, no one is thinking.”</i>
Yes, no color blocs, no color quotas, no affirmative discrimination, no mortal gods and goddesses pronouncing their religions (i.e. behavioral protocols) and articles of faith. Therein exists diversity of individuals, minority of one, the human state,
Any call to restrict speech is an attack on your agency as an individual to think for yourself, and an insult to your intelligence and ability to weigh all sides. Respond accordingly.
Obama is confusing the rights of a company with the rights of government.
The first applies to government. Government mandated regulation of speach is prohibited.
Obama said
“That said, the first amendment is a check on the power of the state. It doesn’t apply to private companies, like Facebook or Twitter, any more than it applies to editorial decisions made by the New York Times or Fox News. Never has. Social media companies already make choices about what is or is not allowed on their platforms, and how that content appears, both explicitly through content moderations, or implicitly through algorithms.”
As an Australian with no dog in this race it’s fascinating to watch right wing people on this forum justify their political stance with faulty, biased arguments. In a broader sense it helps identify those with balanced objective views over those who wear their biases on their sleeve.
There are arguments which are faulty, biased, and right. There are arguments which are balanced, dispassionate, and wrong.
emotionally right
“As an Australian with no dog in this race it’s fascinating to watch right wing people on this forum justify their political stance with faulty, biased arguments.”
Such as?
You don’t have an answer?
So you just make a bold political assertion but have no evidence to back up your assertion.
This is similar to alarmist climate change science where the alarmists make bold assertions about CO2, but have not a shred of evidence to back up their claims.
The way to deal with political hacks and alarmist climate change hacks is to require them to provide evidence of their claims. You never hear from them again when you do that because they don’t have any evidence.
Winning the argument against lefties/fanatics is easy.
Such as the example given. Obama wasn’t confused, he quite clearly stated the position.
I’m afraid you haven’t clearly stated any example, otherwise I would not have had to ask you for an example.
When you go attacking “right wingers” you ought to know what you are talking about, otherwise your ignorance of the subject will be pointed out in public.
Your own rant ending with “Winning the argument against lefties/fanatics is easy” also is a good example of a faulty argument born from your defense of your right wing stanse. How is my post left wing or fanatical?
I don’t much like Obama either but the part of his speech saying that the 1st Amendment doesn’t apply to private parties is correct — unless there is applicable law that says otherwise due to special considerations.
Do you believe you are bound to allow objectionable activities to take place in your home just because those activities might be allowed in public places?
“That said, the first amendment is a check on the power of the state. It doesn’t apply to private companies, like Facebook or Twitter, any more than it applies to editorial decisions made by the New York Times or Fox News. Never has.”
The quote above is an outright blatant lie by former President Obama.
The reason being is something known as Section 230.
Section 230 absolves social media platforms from just being carriers of opinion to being responsible for what is published on their platforms, like the New York Times or Fox News. Aka liable to lawsuits. This exemption is a BIG DEAL and is NOT to be questioned becuase of the BIG MONEY involved in FB, Google, Twitter, etc.
If they dare to regulate what is allowed on their websites, then they become responsible for the content as publishers.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.
I think the term is ‘powers of government’, not ‘rights of government’. Regardless of statements to the contrary from time to time, governments function on powers, not rights.
I believe in free speech, but you have to listen to what I say.
Speak freely. Now.
This “flood of lies” comes from the mouth of a man with a Pinnochio nose, who insults us with impotence to make us believe he gives a damn about us, or our freedom, or welfare, and especially about the truth. When in fact, it’s all about destroying us as humans and turning us into wards of the State. Obama and Soros, together again. Pathetic – and evil.
“President Obama: “The First Amendment Does Not Apply to … Facebook and Twitter””
And of course it doesn’t. The Amendment says
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
It applies to Congress, not to Facebook or Twitter. Or to Fox, or Breitbart. Or even to WUWT. They are free to convey speech that they like, and not to convey speech that they do not like. And they do.
What about when they work hand in glove with the government, Nick? The White House head liar Psaki already admitted they work closely with Facebook to censor their critics that way, which is transparently unconstitutional (and actually correctly described as fascist).
It may be reprehensible, even evil, but it is not a 1st Amendment issue. Government power is not being used. The influence of certain (perhaps morally deficient) individuals, who just happen to hold government positions, is being used to promote biased political ends.
Not true. Per the example in my post, they are having a private company do the dirty work for them. That is illegal. Otherwise, the government could circumvent constitutional protections very easily. The courts have ruled that way too.
It would only be illegal if government made a law to enforce it. It’s a dark grey area if the government were to offer financial incentives. But there is nothing to say individuals in government shouldn’t suggest policy. They can’t enforce it.
I think a lot of people confuse the first amendment with civil liability considerations. Anyone at any time can bring civil action against a private company but Section 230 protection applies.
The way I understand that working is that either WUWT or its author could be sued for slander if an article was slanderous. But WUWT couldn’t be sued if a poster posted a slanderous comment. The poster could be sued though. And WordPress can’t be sued for anything WUWT does and neither can WUWT’s internet provider.
https://casetext.com/case/bantam-books-inc-v-sullivan
Fair call. “Intimidation” still isn’t enforcement but it was a court decision.
They are free to convey speech that they like, and not to convey speech that they do not like.
Does the same apply to your phone carrier?
Fox, Bretbart, and WUWT don’t have Section 230 protection.
Why is it so difficult to understand the distinction?
“WUWT don’t have Section 230 protection”
WUWT certainly does. But this has nothing to do with the first amendment. It is about civil liability,
Nick Stokes
Therefor abridging the freedom of speech is unconstitutional.
Therefor Obama can be sued for slander and defamation of the First Amendment in consideration of the freedom of speech at least.
According to first amendment, as it stands, even Congress, or the Legislature, can not mess around with freedom of speech.
First Amendment prohibits it.
You see, Obama is not just simply expressing an opinion or having an argument there, with his slanderous defamation speech there… and yet the First Amendment secures the right of free speech even in such cases.
The recognition of freedom of speech by the First Amendment, especially in the actual way it does, makes and renders abridging of that freedom, the censorship and any other act against that freedom as unconstitutional, within the USA territory.
First Amendment categorically prohibits censorship… and also very clearly prohibits beyond any doubt abridging the freedom of speech.
If Congress can not, no one else can… no need to list any other institutions, departments entities, either private or public.
Nick, poor education leads to more and more unnecessary legislation… the fact.
That is not a sign of a healthy, society.
You see Nick,The First Amendment does not forbid or considers unconstitutional (further) legislation acts of/from Legislature against the abridging of freedom of speech or against censorship.
cheers
not even Congress, or the Legislature but (mostly) only the legislature or the executive. Tell your daughter’s boyfriend that “I will have no such talk in my home, Shut up or get out” is not a 1st Amendment issue or suppression of any right..
There’s seems to be growing evidence that Obama acted criminally by standing for president and was never a legitimate holder of the office. If I were him, I’d be quiet.
Oh? I see/hear/read accusations and assertions, but what evidence? I’m from Missouri. Show me.
I’m not a defender pr apologist for Obama. Just show me more proof.
What hogwash. When the government orders, nudges or quietly muscles private entities to do its bidding, and the entity complies, willingly or not, the latter arguably become “state actors” and thus subject to the 1st Amendment.
This is especially so when the government has carved exceptions to libel and slander laws to prevent anyone from suing Facebook or Twitter.
So you can bet that someone in the Biden admin has sidled up to Facebook and quietly purred: “Nice little thing you got going for you here….we’d hate to see anything happen to it.”
Come November, when the radicals are swept away in a Red Tsunami, things will change. Facebook and Twitter will lose their protections, and the much-abused Times v. Sullivan case will be consigned to the Round File of History.
Well, certainly I would for once agree with The Chosen One, there’s not much to choose between Dr. Fauci and a miracle cure pitched by a huckster…