Does the CCP Control Extinction Rebellion?

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

David Rose with a powerful account of how China controls our green useful idiots:

A few blocks away from Tiananmen Square, amid the cavernous splendour of the Beijing Hotel Convention Centre, an array of senior Communist Party officials gathered in September to proclaim a clear message: by “focusing on cutting carbon emissions… China will promote green development, and continuously improve its ecology”. The annual general meeting of the China Council for International Co-operation on Environment and Development (the CCICED) was in full swing.

Rapturous applause filled the room, though that was hardly unexpected. Conferences run by the CCP are not usually marked by dissent, especially when they’re attended by the likes of Xie Zhenhua, who led China’s delegation to Cop26, and vice premier Han Zheng, one of the seven standing committee members of the Politburo, the Party’s supreme elite. Indeed, as the room fizzled with optimistic eco-rhetoric, you could almost forget that China is the world’s biggest source of greenhouse gases — and that the new coal-fired power stations in its construction pipeline alone have a greater capacity than Britain’s entire generation fleet.

What was remarkable about this meeting, though, was the surprising presence of an external delegation: joining the CCP apparatchiks on a collection of screens dotted around the room were a number of enthusiastic Britons and other Westerners. According to the official conference report, the “foreign committee members and partners lauded China’s ecological civilisation building and its new and greater contributions to promoting the construction of a clean and beautiful world”.

Who were these people? Strange to tell, they consisted of a veritable Who’s Who of British, European and American climate activists.

Full story here.

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John Tillman
December 15, 2021 2:03 pm

Yes. Funding the whackos so that they can block taxpayers from going to work while shunning gainful empllyment themselves.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  John Tillman
December 17, 2021 8:52 am

Useful idiots on display

leitmotif
December 15, 2021 2:04 pm

Reminds me of the final scene from Animal Farm.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  leitmotif
December 15, 2021 3:43 pm

This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning of Western Democracy.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 16, 2021 5:43 am

Wrong!

This is not the begining. It is not even the end of the beginning. But it is, perhaps, the end of the end of Western Democracy.

bonbon
Reply to  leitmotif
December 16, 2021 9:01 am

COP26 did not end with a bang, rather Sharma’s whimper.
There’s a poem somewhere….

bonbon
December 15, 2021 2:04 pm

C’mon guys – control means stacks of cash.
Who other than RFK Jr’s sister, Rory, is the moneybags of XR? And who other than RFK Jr, is the Vaccine Rebellion moneybags?
To call these Chinese Communists, is probably libel- go ahead…
Of course the RFK siblings are not alone – there are plenty of millionaire kids on the job.

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MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 15, 2021 2:12 pm

Communists good, Americans bad. Gotcha.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  bonbon
December 15, 2021 2:24 pm

Ever hear of George Soros?

Derg
Reply to  David Kamakaris
December 15, 2021 3:16 pm

That is his/her point. If I was Uber wealthy what is to me drop a few million XRs way to keep them in check?

Same with China

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Derg
December 15, 2021 3:35 pm

To what end?

Derg
Reply to  David Kamakaris
December 15, 2021 5:12 pm

They don’t care…I think of hush money in a way.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Derg
December 15, 2021 6:46 pm

Drop a few million to keep them in check?

Or not drop a few million and have them apathy and in fight away to nothing?

Exactly what check are we keeping these people in?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  bonbon
December 15, 2021 3:36 pm

So, the Chinese Communist Party apologist, who supplies us with Chinese Communist Party propoganga claiming that the Chinese Communist Party is actually democratic, thinks that calling the Chinese Communist Party meeting attendees communist is libel.

Birds of a feather flock together…

Are you now, or have you ever been, a rational human being?

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pigs_in_space
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 16, 2021 2:11 am

Bonbon appears to be a SPB troll farm robot.
He also thinks Putin is wonderful and Russia is all virtue and light.
No suprise he loves CCP though he has never been to China.
(I have worked there!)

bonbon
Reply to  pigs_in_space
December 16, 2021 2:58 am
MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:16 am

First off, you do know that there is a difference between fund and control.
Secondly, What percentage of total funding do these families provide?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:57 am

Well Soros’ stack was redacted out.

meab
Reply to  bonbon
December 15, 2021 5:43 pm

bonobo,

Rory Kennedy and Aileen Getty have raised money for XR through their Climate Emergency Fund, but only a few hundred thousand dollars. XR can’t possibly stage mass protests around the world for a few hundred thousand dollars. Rory Kennedy’s net worth is just $10M so you’re completely wrong that Rory is the moneybags of XR. You’re stupid, but not that stupid.

There are some deep pockets funding XR, not just millionaire kids.

So why do you always spread Marxist disinformation, bonobo?

bonbon
Reply to  meab
December 16, 2021 3:03 am

Here Homewood gives a partial list . Originally Breitbart got the founding docs.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/12/05/who-funds-extinction-rebellion-american-uk-millionaires-some-of-americas-most-famous-families-including-the-kennedys-the-gettys/

This is a British operation as reported here :

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/08/25/extinction-rebellion-are-so-establishment-theyll-soon-get-knighthoods/

Hey, even Prince Charles toyed with joining them. You know, the COP26 organizer that China refused to attend, unlike the blithering idiots that did.

bonbon
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:57 am

I mean the funding was discussed in a recent WUWT, not just these rebellious millionaire siblings. Breitbart got the founding documents.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/12/05/who-funds-extinction-rebellion-american-uk-millionaires-some-of-americas-most-famous-families-including-the-kennedys-the-gettys/

patrick healy
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 6:13 am

Rory (or give him its correct spelling Ruraidgh) is a sister???
Ah goann

bonbon
Reply to  patrick healy
December 16, 2021 9:00 am

Ask the parents – happens all the time. Americans, you know….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Kennedy

December 15, 2021 2:21 pm

Generally, one should ‘follow the money’, so my question is:
“what is in it for the ‘elite’?”
Why would they seek to destroy the economy by going green?
Makes no sense.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 2:32 pm

See my reply to Halla below. It is diabolically clever.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 16, 2021 10:11 am

For you and all the others:
your comments do not explain anything.
My question still stands.

paul courtney
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Mr. Svalgaard: “Why would they seek to destroy the economy by going green?” What economy? What if these folks think that western civilization is on the downslope, so they invest some money “selling short” on the west. Then they seek to destroy only the US and European economies, not “the economy” as you formulate it. And they might be willing to spend a bit more to make the bigger deal work. Maybe it’ll help if we define terms- what do you mean by “the economy”? (Hint- there is no such thing).
When an intelligent person seems to be thick, makes one wonder if studying the sun too much blinds you to other things that are obvious to others, even those not as intelligent.

MarkW
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 16, 2021 2:15 pm

How convenient.
Just declare that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong, then walk off, sure in your intellectual superiority.

R Taylor
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 3:43 pm

Nobody is really “going green”. All you have to do is distort the world economy a little to have huge wealth come your way, along with the “moral correctness” to justify it.

Doug D
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 3:58 pm

Who do you think owns the green economy ?

Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 4:19 pm

Leif, there are many types of “elites” but most of them fall into two categories. The first are elites that got their money buy working hard for it and the second are elites who inherited their money and never worked a day in their lives.

The latter are opblivious to the economy and how it affects them, because for the most part it doesn’t. They don’t think of gasoline at $200/gal as a problem and have no idea why anyone else thinks it is. Follow the money doesn’t apply to these critters.

Felix
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 4:23 pm

Because the powerful are never held accountable by the great unwashed masses. Therefore better to be the powerful who fund and control the revolution than the outsiders caught on the wrong side providing useful scapegoats for those who picked the winning side.

Scissor
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 4:31 pm

I saw a headline that said Bill Gates “earned” $35 billion in the past year. Obviously, whatever he is pushing is paying.

H.R.
Reply to  Scissor
December 15, 2021 5:26 pm

$35 billion?!? That’s more than I make in a week. 😜

(Really. That’s stupid money. That’s when the boatbuilder says, “It’s gonna cost about $1.2 billion for what you want,” and you can say, “So?” Stupid money.)

Wade
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 5:11 pm

Not everyone is obsessed with money. Some have a thirst only for power. And some are religious fanatics which such a burning zeal that they will not tolerate any rival to their god. Make no mistake: communism is a religion with the all-wise state their god. Their political party is part of that god.

I am not qualified to say whether XR is being funded by China or not. But I will say that almost all the eco-idiots out there is silent on China because it has the type of government they really want. The all-wise state is their god, and god must not be mocked or disrespected.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  Wade
December 15, 2021 11:54 pm

Speaking of religion, regarding that photo heading this article, has anyone noticed any shared features of that long venerated ‘dragon’ fronting the ChiComm flag with a notably influential serpent in chapter 3 of Genesis, whose most compelling pitch to the primordial humans consists of (1) I assure you there is no deadly peril in that cautionary appetite of yours, and (2) on the contrary you will become both desirably wise and elevated to God-like status yourselves with so little effort.

MarkW
Reply to  Doc Chuck
December 16, 2021 7:19 am

The Bible makes no mention of what the serpent looks like.
The snake like dragon has been favorite of Chinese culture going back thousands of years.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 5:53 pm

And BEFORE bibles.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  Doc Chuck
December 16, 2021 7:37 am

Talking snakes, from the fount of all wisdom, The Bible. That’s the one with the talking donkey, right?

Doc Chuck
Reply to  Adrian Mann
December 16, 2021 12:35 pm

I neglected to mention that in the pictured representation the dragon even has a miniature globe fully enclosed within it’s clawed grasp, but then I guess you missed that too. As for talking donkeys, you’re likely too young to recall either how ‘Francis‘ carried Donald O’Connor’s comedic acting career through much of the 1950s as the exclusive human that eponymous commenting mule would converse with in a series of no less than 6 movies for Universal Pictures (followed by a final with Mickey Rooney taking Don’s place) or the subsequent television series of fully 143 episodes in the 1960s where ‘a horse is a horse of course’ unless he’s the similarly loquacious ‘Mr. Ed‘. Nonetheless I’m convinced you’ll continue to follow the dragon’s advise and never seek any wisdom proffered in that ancient Biblos. Just take note whose company you’ll have in the end.

QQBoss
Reply to  Doc Chuck
December 19, 2021 4:10 am

That isnt a globe, it is a pearl,, usually considered representative of wisdom. The story of the Dragon and his pearl long pre-dates the Bible and has been shown in art for at least 3000 years.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Wade
December 16, 2021 12:54 am

“Not everyone is obsessed with money. Some have a thirst only for power.”

I hate to be picky, but with the power comes the money, it is what gets even more power, political dictators have always known this simple fact!!! Firstly they have to rid themselves of that ghastly thing called “democracy”, or “government by the people”, according to my beloved 1925 POD, followed by the abolishment of that equally ghastly thing called “freedom”, then the journey to the “dark side” is complete!!! We have seen here in the UK, well, what’s left of it, how ruling elites in government expect one rule for them, & another rule for the people!!! It will be interesting how Mr Biden conducts himself & that of his minions/hangers-on/controllers, over the coming years!!!

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Alan the Brit
December 16, 2021 9:38 am

Alan

Power comes with money only in certain cultures. In materialist cultures, money dominates access to material things. In other cultures power comes from position, and one can get “positions” without money or things.

It is difficult to bridge the gulf in misunderstanding. In cultures where position rules, they find it difficult to understand why money should define anything at all, as one might be rich but poorly trained in how to exercise power. Rich experience is far more valuable than money could ever be.

In cultures where being materially rich means having temporal power, they see no reason for people to have influence without first demonstrating acquisitive pre-eminence, and therefore show skill at obtaining what is valued – things.

It is a similar to the divide that exists between shame cultures (East) and guilt cultures (West). A blended culture would be where people have a sense of shame, and capacity to feel guilty, both because of an internalized sense of personal responsibility.

A personal desire for power is a key sign of immaturity. It shows they do not understand the gravity of the responsibility. Humanity will have matured when no one seeks leadership, at which point such positions will have to be filled by acclimation or a nomination-free process. We cannot continue to be led by the self-promoting. In a meritocracy, some of the “merits” would be humility, competence, experience, honesty, empathy, wisdom and a willingness to prefer one’s neighbour over oneself.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
December 16, 2021 5:58 pm

Quite a few of those “merits” could certainly be applied to one like DJT. (Humility might cause some pause, but I, for one, was happy with his lack of same (displayed).

LdB
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 6:20 pm

It’s the same as war profiteering … that is like asking why so many financiers helped Hitler because he was evil.

MarkW
Reply to  LdB
December 16, 2021 7:20 am

The elites have always appreciated someone who is successful in grabbing power.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 5:58 pm

Excellent! Thanks.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 7:01 pm

There are some people who honestly believe that the world would be so much better if only they (and their like minded friends) were in charge.

There are some people who ignore the ‘so much better’ and cut straight to the ‘in charge’.

These people either directly cast themselves as part of the ruling committee because they believe they are well suited in the role, or just want the role.

Power is the end game, either by elevating them to a higher position, or by dragging everyone else down into a lower.

Or, you get people who have been so entitled their entire lives that the concept of how the world works is beyond them. When members of the great unwashed transition to adulthood they often are faced with the fact that Mummy and Daddy are no longer going to pay for everything, and if they want a new car, then THEY have to get the job, save the deposit, and make the repayments. Even if they then go on to be stupidly successful they remember at base level that money does come from somewhere that isn’t a unicorn bum.

Instead we get youngish people who were either born into cash, or got jobs really young (cast of Harry Potter? Looking at you). They never had to work and save for their first car so comfort just comes to them and is assumed. Case point is that serial XR offender here in Australia. Good family. Not struggling to pay bills. Went on an endless bender despite multiple court appearances because he was never forced to deal with consequences and didn’t believe they applied to him.

Or… Some people just want to see the world burn.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 15, 2021 7:23 pm

It’s a global competition, with China taking advantage of all opponent weaknesses.

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 16, 2021 9:30 am

Leid,
throughout human history, societies organized as top-down authoritarian control political structures have always strongly favored the rich and politically connected “elitist” class. Western democracy is an aberration in human history, an outlier, with its large affluent middle class that demands democracy, control of its liberties, and protection of personal private property rights free from unjust takings by the powerful.
Powerful forces are at work to make those liberties, access to wealth and power, and protections from elitist whims we have enjoyed for 200+ years look a lot more Communist China and Russia, countries where if you get cross ways with political elites for the wrong views, you are in grave danger of disappearing or being cancelled from good jobs and schools for your children.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
December 16, 2021 6:01 pm

Great thoughts… Thanks.

MarkW
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 16, 2021 2:15 pm

These people already have all the money they need.
Destroying the economy locks the haves and have nots in place.
Beyond that, most of them aren’t smart enough to figure out they are destroying the economy, they are getting praises from the media and other elites for their expensive virtue signaling, and that is all that matters to them.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
December 16, 2021 5:49 pm

Destructing the economy is not the Primary Goal, imo. It is the demolition of Freedom, and those who still believe in, and strive toward preserving it.

Tom Halla
December 15, 2021 2:22 pm

This is rather like the Russians funding green anti-fracking groups.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 15, 2021 2:41 pm

Exactly. IF XR and the other western climate extremists didn’t think China was ‘doing something’, they might get discouraged and reduce their western pressure to ‘act now’ because it wouldn’t make any difference if China isn’t playing along. This way, they are encouraged by China’s show of ‘intent’, which defies the China reality on the ground.

And remember, China controls rare earths globally because they don’t care about processing pollution, so makes a lot of money off exporting RE directly (or indirectly via RE magnet components) for EV’s and wind turbines.

Doug D
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 15, 2021 4:02 pm

If you are truly trying to control climate China doesn’t matter ….because carbon content doesn’t matter …It is the result of rising temperature not the cause. . Any paleo scientist can show you …those that actually fell for chicken little have a view far too short …nothing is new under the sun

PaulH
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 15, 2021 4:10 pm

It seems like money well spent. 🙁

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 16, 2021 12:59 am

Especially when the objective is like many old capitalist techniques/practices to put rivals out of business, destroy the opposition for total control, simples!!!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 16, 2021 2:13 am

Fact is, they probably do!

markl
December 15, 2021 2:41 pm

Useful idiots that will be quickly jettisoned once they are either rejected by the target audience or no longer needed to make a point. Elites included except they bring money and power to the table and all they need is their egos stroked.

Chaswarnertoo
December 15, 2021 3:06 pm

Green. Gullible, easily fooled, naive. Stupid round eyes.

John Tillman
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
December 15, 2021 3:57 pm

Big Noses, please!

Or Red-haired Devils, if you prefer.

To which ethnic epithets I don’t take much umbrage, being large nosed, but now essentially hairless myself. And never red.

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Scissor
Reply to  John Tillman
December 15, 2021 4:58 pm

Turtle egg is a very good reply. Made a couple of Chinese fellas mad using that one.

王八蛋

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Scissor
December 15, 2021 5:26 pm

I used to pick up extra money being a ‘white monkey’.

ResourceGuy
December 15, 2021 3:12 pm

Was this televised at the worker paradise detention camps in western China? They do make half the world’s polysilicon component for solar cells and panels there.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  ResourceGuy
December 15, 2021 3:40 pm

It just goes to prove what the Egyptians discovered. Slavery gets shit done!

John Tillman
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 15, 2021 3:58 pm

The pyramids were built with taxed labor, not slaves.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  John Tillman
December 15, 2021 4:23 pm

Doesn’t make for nearly a snappy meme, though.

H.R.
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 15, 2021 5:38 pm

…and takes all the fun out of “Walk Like an Egyptian,” dunnit?

(Can’t downvote you John Tillman, but I have to poke a small hole in your “All Serious-Like” balloon.)

PCman999
Reply to  John Tillman
December 15, 2021 9:10 pm

They were indentured servants! 😁

PCman999
Reply to  PCman999
December 15, 2021 9:12 pm

Hey you want some food? Haul these blocks up to the pyramid site or starve. Simple, no whip required.

MarkW
Reply to  PCman999
December 16, 2021 2:19 pm

Needing to work, in order to eat has been the way of the world since there was a world.

BCBill
Reply to  John Tillman
December 15, 2021 11:04 pm

I think the people who build the pyramids had huge mortgages. The price of housing just kept rising to consume all their discretionary income.

bonbon
Reply to  BCBill
December 16, 2021 8:34 am

Was the last Pharaoh, Pharaoh Lehman?

Old Cocky
Reply to  John Tillman
December 16, 2021 12:58 am

It’s going to be almost impossible to determine the workforce structure after this long, but it may have been very effective and popular if it was structured as a form of apprenticeship.
As I understand it, work was largely seasonal, during quieter farming periods.

The first years do the bulk of the grunt work (rather heavier work than sweeping the floor, fetching lunch, but still largely unskilled) and learn a bit. The better first years are invited back next year to work in a trade (masonry, blocklayer (well, they didn’t have bricks), carpenter, plasterer, painter) doing the grunt trade work, the top second-years come back next year an do more advanced trade work. The top 3rd-years join the permanent skilled core.

Even those who didn’t make the cut would have learned valuable skills to take back home.

It probably wasn’t anything like that, but there is plenty of scope for wild flights of fancy 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Old Cocky
December 16, 2021 7:29 am

Even after all these years, archaeological evidence still exists.
The towns were the workers lived have been found.
The remains of what they ate have been found.
They have even found records of the supplies and such that were provided to the workers.
The workers bodies have been found and they show evidence that they got treatment for injuries.

The bodies show evidence of hard labor, which wasn’t unusual back then. If you weren’t an elite, you did backbreaking labor for your entire life. True in Egypt, and for every culture on Earth at that time.

Considering the time, the workers were well fed and taken care of.
They weren’t slaves.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 7:56 am

The British railway industry were renowned for their care of the workers, building housing & schools for their living & education, as were the many others, like the Cadburys chocolate business, building a town for their employees, a sense of caring for the “lower” classes in their employ, the trouble was these acts of kindness were based on social-superiority rather than enlightenment & freedom, but nevertheless well intentioned!!! However, said workers were expected to, “know their place!!!”.

MarkW
Reply to  Alan the Brit
December 16, 2021 2:20 pm

So what? The claim was that there was no way to determine if the workers on the pyramids were slaves or not.

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:51 am

Correct, and as one researcher showed, the pictures we see of light skinned laborers hauling stone is bunkum – they could never have survived the Sun. There is a strong suspicion that the Sphinx was deliberately defaced, before Napoleon, as well as numerous Louvre carved portraits, because they were in fact from Nubia.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:22 pm

So Egyptians are too light skinned to live in Egypt, so they gave all the heavy labor to Nubians?

Do you have any evidence that the workers who built the pyramids were Nubians, or is this just another thing that came to you during one of your drug induced fantasies?

BTW, if the Sphinx was defaced to hide the fact that it portrayed a Nubian, what about the millions of other statues, not to mention all the paintings that don’t depict Nubians?

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TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 9:05 am

You can have slaves and still feed them well and care for them, especially if you view them as an investment in equipment (i.e. farmers care for their tractors)

I’ve always known the popular belief that they were slaves. I’ve been hearing for a while now that they were not. I have no reason to doubt that our knowledge of the time has changed.

But what I’m wondering is: what evidence is there specifically to address whether they were forced to work (slave, even if well cared for) or if they were working voluntarily?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
December 16, 2021 2:24 pm

There are documents that have survived that talk of villages sending work parties to work on the pyramid, that would return to the villages when they were needed to work in the fields.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 2:31 pm

There are documents that have survived that talk of villages sending work parties
Ok, that would be a pretty fair indicator.

Old Cocky
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 11:33 am

My wild erratic fancies were initiated by a recent glut of TV docos about Egyptian archeology. Despite the inevitable purple prose, there were some snippets about the BiBo (boat in, boat out) seasonal workforce recruited from all parts of Egypt, excavation of the workforce accommodation, and recent finds of records of supply shipments.

It seemed that many of the techniques used in the major construction projects found their way into wider use, which prompted the apprenticeship speculation.

It may well have been a far more class-based arrangement, with the trade guilds jealously guarding their territory, but it’s fun to speculate based on inadequate information.

TonyG
Reply to  Old Cocky
December 16, 2021 12:24 pm

Thanks for that info OC

Old Cocky
Reply to  TonyG
December 16, 2021 5:28 pm

Thank you Tony, but far more whimsy than info 🙂

Gary Pearse
December 15, 2021 3:36 pm

“China, says Clive Hamilton, now touts the ‘China model’ as superior to the West’s.”

Yes the West has come down a long way!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 15, 2021 4:54 pm

The West’s model = Chaos.

It doesn’t have to be that way, but that’s the way it is, because of stupid politicians.

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 15, 2021 5:35 pm

The West’s model = Chaos.

It doesn’t have to be that way, but that’s the way it is, because of stupid politicians.

Actually, it does have to be that way. A free market, by definition, is chaotic. Only by control can order be enforced.

The politicians try to order it, and generally make it worse. I think mainly for two reasons. Firstly they are greedy scumbags, and secondly because they want to be seen to be ‘doing something’. Doing nothing is generally preferable for governments.

bonbon
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 16, 2021 3:48 am

BoJo’s chaos – Biden’s blundering – Germany’s traffic light – all free market.

Incredible how Hayekian’s make utter fools of themselves.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:32 am

Fascinating how the socialist cites politicians as examples of the free market.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:26 pm

Once again, politicians as examples of the free market.
It really is interesting how some people consider everything that isn’t pure communism, to be examples of the free market.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 16, 2021 7:59 am

Except at election time, when they say we have no money it’s taxpayers money, when mysteriously they find a few million to spend on “good deeds” just for the voters to see!!! The old joke, “how do you know when a politician is lying? his/her lips are moving!!!”

Dave Fair
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 15, 2021 9:47 pm

Chaos is simply the socialistic bureaucrat’s way of describing the free market system.

bonbon
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 16, 2021 3:49 am

Belly laughs!

bonbon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 16, 2021 3:45 am

The rabid US ¨free-marketeers¨ of the London School of Economics von Hayek defend BoJo’s chaos!
Incredible!

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:32 am

Once again, the socialist demonstrates that he has no concept of how the free market (or anything else) works.

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:29 am

It doesn’t work. Ask Marc Carney why he ruthlessly, relentlessly focuses on NetZero for your $100 TRILLION bailout. Enron did not work either – the poster boy of dereg free-market swindles.
The Lehman free-market post Glass-Steagall scam did not work either.
Hey, that’s a free-market train-wreck.

Astrocyte
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 9:55 am

Socialist states always maturate toward a very specific “steady state”. Do yourself a favor and read Архипелаг ГУЛАГ.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:29 pm

And for at least the 20th time bonbon drags up an example of bad regulations to prove that the free market doesn’t work.

bonbon reminds me of the warmistas, for them, everything is proof that CO2 is the master control for the climate.
For bonbon, everything is proof that the free market doesn’t work.

It really doesn’t matter whether the data cited actually supports the claims or not. If you believe hard enough, it does.

Scissor
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 15, 2021 4:59 pm

But WUWT would be disappeared tomorrow in China.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Scissor
December 15, 2021 5:27 pm

Do you mean the people frequenting this site?

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Scissor
December 16, 2021 3:48 am

I wonder if it can be seen in China?

bonbon
Reply to  Scissor
December 16, 2021 3:51 am

It could easily be cancelled here. As Watt’s said there are efforts underway to demonetize, and looking what was cancelled at Youtube, it is a real threat.

Come to think of it, is this China Coluuuuuusion meme an appeasement of the Powers That Be? That ever works.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:34 am

So the fact that the US government is becoming more like China’s, is proof that the free market doesn’t work?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:32 am

As they say in serious firms, free-market is dynamite on paper. Problem is if implimented it is also dynamite – one blow-out after another.
China learnt a hard lesson with Evergrande, and is taking action, unlike the US with Lehman and Enron.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:31 pm

The sad thing is that bonbon actually believes that a heavily regulated economy is and example of the free market.
No matter how bad regulations mess up, the only solution in it’s mind is more regulation.

Doug D
December 15, 2021 3:56 pm

All socialists of the old sort like Marx, and Mao . It’s no surprise

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Doug D
December 16, 2021 8:02 am

AND they all came from modestly wealthy middle-class backgrounds & education!!! That is the most scary thing of all, very few come from working class backgrounds because they’re too dumb to have a clue, they are simply “useful idiots”!!!

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Alan the Brit
December 16, 2021 6:12 pm

The “education” is the ‘collapse’. Little SOLID education for probably 7 decades or more.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
December 15, 2021 4:23 pm

Same naiveté, new century:

I have seen the future and it wokes.

— no apologies to Lincoln Steffens

Paul Blase
December 15, 2021 5:23 pm

“The idea of ecological civilisation, it [the CCP] says, is ‘Marxist and scientific by nature’”
Precisely. When we fully realize that the Green Movement, along with others today, is fundamentally Marxist, we’ll be halfway home.

bonbon
Reply to  Paul Blase
December 16, 2021 3:43 am

Only half empty, that. The other half is to realize Green and Marx are both British programs.
Americans have great difficulty going there – chortles of mirth at London tea clubs.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:35 am

In what passes for your mind, the only reason why Marxism is bad, is because a Brit thought it up?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:22 am

Brits conjured up Marxism, and the von Hayek, Keynes sideshows. Even the circus carny, Marc Carney of COP26 fame, was Bank of England chief.
Hey, they were and Empire, after all.
Have they covered all bases, no, as even Marx wrote – he would not take the American System on, under instruction from Urquhart.

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MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:32 pm

There is one difference.
Marxism has failed everywhere it’s been tried.
Free market has worked everywhere it’s been tried.

TheLastDemocrat
December 15, 2021 7:32 pm

I don’t think the CCP control them.
It is just a matter of strange bedfellows.

The money helps, of course. It helps them not be alarmed or suspicious of the motivations of China. “Hey, they think like us, and are willing to find us. I think I am starting to like them.”

PCman999
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
December 15, 2021 9:17 pm

They’ve been heard to praise China because the central government can “build several GWs of wind turbines there” and it gets done without a fuss, (even if it is built in the north west desert region far from cities or any main transmission lines.)

Alan the Brit
Reply to  PCman999
December 16, 2021 8:06 am

The building of these follies is achievable because they have 2 billion slave labourers & no Human rights, that is how the structural engineering for the Bejing Olympics were so successful!!!

bonbon
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
December 16, 2021 3:40 am

It’s China Coluuuuuusion!

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:35 am

Care to actually refute anything written?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:19 am

No need, China refused the FLOP26 invitation.
They know up front and personal what these activists are really like.
Hell, so do we.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:33 pm

And once again, rather than actually deal with the topic, bonbon takes another of his drug induced fantasy rides.

gringojay
December 15, 2021 10:10 pm

In the light of day –

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Peta of Newark
December 16, 2021 1:00 am

Who designs the outfits that XR wear while out on parade? Who does the choreography?

Within the colours, the styles and behaviour of participants – completely no similarity to Chinese ‘Dragon Parades’?

bonbon
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 16, 2021 3:19 am

Probable the same who designed AOC’s Tax the Rich outfit . We are talking serious money here.

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griff
December 16, 2021 1:08 am

And perhaps the CCP also finance QANON and US Militia groups? And anti vaxxers?

any group of impressionable, vocal and potentially destabilising … fools?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
December 16, 2021 2:17 am

They might well do!
How’s that motorway to nowhere going in Montenegro Griff the numpty?

Deliberately bankrupt a country to buy out their ports and infrastructure, now who would have thought of that?
Only you are naive and stupid enough to come up with the post you just made!

Oh btw when was the last time you ACTUALLY VISITED any of the countries you prattle on about ad nauseam??

bonbon
Reply to  griff
December 16, 2021 3:15 am

That is the point.
The US/British MICIMATT (Military Industrial Complex Intelligence Media Academic Think Tanks), have gotten WUWT to blather hysterically.
WUWT became a Chinagate version of Russiagate’s Rachel Maddow !

A gearshift from Russian Coluuuuuusion to China Coluuuuusion.

And by the way Qanon is an intelligence service caper.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 4:41 am

in your fantasies!

bonbon
Reply to  pigs_in_space
December 16, 2021 5:49 am

MAGA is supposed to ¨trust the plan¨, right?

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:39 am

Is there any subject under the sun that you actually understand?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:12 am

Coluuuusion is my specialty.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 2:33 pm

Close, delusion is your only mental skill.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:38 am

Anyone who doesn’t worship the communists is part of the evil cabal.

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:13 am

Worship? Ha, only Coluuuuusion.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
December 16, 2021 7:37 am

Unless we can prove CCP finances everyone you don’t like, we must assume that it finances none of them?

Really, is that the best you can do?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:14 am

This is amusing. Is that the best you can do?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:14 am

I seem to recall that Russian/Soviet political practices were to finance any organisation that would protest against the democratic Western political system, simply to undermine it & show that Communism/Socialism was better for everyone, except the ruling elites of course!!!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  griff
December 16, 2021 8:11 am

You do realise that when they achieve total global domination, as is their intent, if you protest about any excesses that will undoubtedly occur, you will be “disappeared” into a re-education facility for your own good!!! Green = gullible & naive!!!

Rod Evans
December 16, 2021 2:54 am

He who pays the piper calls the tune.
China is very familiar with that basic principle and boy, are they making use of it.
The Johnson family connection via Johnson senior is a problem. It could explain why Boris is so completely fixated with destroying UK freedoms and aping Chinese dictatorial practices.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Rod Evans
December 16, 2021 8:17 am

I have applied to the British establishment for renaming Prime Minister Johnson as Buffoon Johnson!!! Don’t see that Eaton educated idiot doing anything that doesn’t involve what is inside his trousers!!! He is all mouth!!!

bonbon
December 16, 2021 3:36 am

Here the XR founding announcement : More than 90 British signatures :

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/26/facts-about-our-ecological-crisis-are-incontrovertible-we-must-take-action

For some US citizens, a reminder that Marx did all his work under David Urquhart of the British Library in London. Engels, very wealthy textile magnate in Liverpool payed Marx so little his kids starved. Marxism is in fact a British gambit. Look up Urquhart, the founder of communism.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
December 16, 2021 7:39 am

So the fact that they only have British signatures is proof that the Chinese government isn’t involved?

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
December 16, 2021 8:12 am

Coluuuuusion cannot be ruled out.

Adrian Mann
December 16, 2021 7:31 am

Conforms to Betteridges Law of Newspaper Headlines.

GrumpyMitch
December 16, 2021 8:45 am

I think there is another sentence that is missing from the main text.
China will promote green development, and continuously improve its ecology”
‘Thereby giving china an enormous economic advantage over the countries that take part in the new green dream”

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