Guest “Let them eat Cake” by Eric Worrall
Biden does not understand why people are finding rising gasoline prices such a struggle, when the obvious solution is to buy a $112,595 electric Hummer pickup.
Joe Biden Addresses High Gas Prices: Americans Can Save Money if They Buy Electric Cars
CHARLIE SPIERING 23 Nov 2021
President Joe Biden promoted his efforts to lower gas prices on Tuesday, but he reminded Americans they would save more money on gas if they owned electric cars.
“For the hundreds of thousands of folks who bought one of those electric cars, they’re going to save $800 to $1000 in fuel costs this year,” Biden said, referring to the $112,595 electric Hummer pickup he test drove at a General Motors factory in Detroit earlier this month.
The president appeared frustrated that some Americans continue blaming his environmental agenda for higher gas prices, dismissing it as a “myth.”
“My effort to combat climate change is not raising the price of gas, what it’s doing is increasing the availability of jobs,” Biden insisted.
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“Let’s do that. Let’s beat climate change. With more extensive innovation and opportunities,” Biden said, claiming the economy would be “less vulnerable to these kinds of price hikes” on fossil fuels.
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Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/23/joe-biden-addresses-high-gas-prices-americans-can-save-money-if-they-buy-electric-cars/
There is a minor problem Biden may have overlooked – people who are struggling to put food on the table or gas in their tank to get to work might not have a spare 100K. But I’m sure if Biden puts his financial genius son Hunter on the case, his administration will figure out a way to help alleviate the US people of the burden of gasoline powered transport.
Because Joe B knows all about driving with economy in mind…
‘Very green’: VIDEO of Biden’s massive 85-car motorcade ahead of climate summit leaves critics stunned
Oil is so very fundamental to our economy that the Pol Pots in DC have no idea what inflation bomb is going to ruin over their election dreams for a generation, IMO.
Who was the US Presidential candidate in decades past who commented during a campaign debate: “It’s the economy stupid”?
Without a prosperous and strong economy there are no taxes to pay for government services and infrastructure.
Clinton
Actually it was James Carville, Clinton’s campaign strategist, that came up with “the economy, stupid”
It’s the economy, stupid – Wikipedia
They don’t need tax money.
Printing press futures are UP!
Good ol’ half-a-load Joe . . .
The average person in the US drives about 13,500 miles a year.
The mid-point efficiency for battery EV autos is about 33 kWh per 100 miles driven. So, a full year’s worth of driving an EV will require (13,500 miles/100 miles)*33kWh =4,455 kWh of electricity.
Currently, the average price a residential customer in the United States pays for electricity is 13.3 cents per kWh. So, the average cost of full year’s worth of driving, assuming it is based on charging at home, would be 4,455 * 0.133 = $593.
I know, I know . . . there’s the “BUT, I’ll be getting my charging for free at public charging stations” claim, or the “BUT, my employer let’s me access free charging stations in selected parking spots at work.” Seriously, I can only reply that this is a fad soon to pass . . . EVs currently make up only about 3% of the passenger cars in the US. Does anyone really believe electricity for EVs will be given out freely when EVs make up 10-15% of the vehicles used daily in the US??
And somewhat offsetting these indirect subsidies for EVs is the fact I have not even accounted for the electrical losses from converting residential AC electricity to DC electricity needed to charge the EV battery, nor the various parasitic losses from using batteries (ohmic heating loss, battery self-discharge rate, battery thermal control system and fault-control system, etc.) as a portable power source. All these inefficiencies combine to make every kWh loaded into an EV battery even that much more expensive effectively than electricity just coming out of home wall socket.
Anyway, to complete the cost comparison on the above basis, Joe asserts Americans are going to save $800-1,000 per year by not buying gasoline for their car, but he does’t mention that, in turn, they will be paying around $600 per year for electricity to feed their replacement EV, probably within the next several years.
Also, with the current rate of inflation and the cost of everything (including oil, natural gas, wind turbines and solar cells) going up, I’m betting that residential electricity rates will rise faster, on a percentage basis, than the price of gasoline over the next 10-20 years (even though recent “perturbation”data doesn’t support this statement).
Republicans that will be running for house seats are being given more and more campaign fodder. The progressives are riding a dead horse in their war against fossil fuel. The smart ones may save their skins by recognizing natural gas as the ultimate renewable that can be used to reach their net zero goal. Frack on..
Quite a few prominent Democrats have already announced that they are retiring.
Just conversed with the Mrs. on that topic yesterday, Mark.
My guess is that their polls** indicate they couldn’t get reelected regardless of how many dead people voted for them. So, it’s time to hang it up and get a cushy high-paying job as a lobbyist.
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**The real unpublished polls, not the ones designed to influence voters
If they retire, they get to keep whatever is left in their campaign fund.
Yup. I know that, Mark.
I’m figuring that the polls are so bad no one will give them any campaign money to keep. The usual backers will give money to someone with half a chance, and the DNC sure won’t be wasting any money on them.
No campaign money means the best bet is getting the lobbyist job or a few corporate board appointments before the other Dem “retirees” do.
Anyhow, I’m just giving it my best guess that they know they won’t be getting any campaign money. They have the big ‘L‘ written on their foreheads.
Get ready for more “white supremacy” talk from democrats.
The driver who killed so many people in Waukesha has social media accounts full of racist and violent statements. He was very, very upset about the Rittenhouse verdict.
And unsurprisingly, not a single one of the major news media thinks this motive is worth covering.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-brooks-facebook-white-people-violence
Uhhh . . . burning natural gas results in emissions of CO2. This is NOT conducive to reaching a “net zero goal”.
“1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows”
In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.
But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.
“Overnight, we’re looking at 36 miles of range,”
“If you don’t have a Level 2, it’s almost impossible,” said Tynan, who has tested a wide range of makes and models of PEVs over the years for his research.
Even with the faster charging, a Chevy Bolt he tested still needed nearly six hours to top its range back up to 300 miles from nearly empty — something that takes him just minutes at the pump with his family SUV.
What’s more, as your battery ages its capacity diminishes, reducing its range, regardless of charging method. The ICE Mustang will always have the same range.
Actually, that isn’t quite true. As the car ages, the compression in the cylinders will drop, decreasing the gas mileage. Therefore, the range will decrease, although probably not as much as with an EV.
Would the person who downvoted my comment explain any error of fact? Or is it like Jack Nicholson said, “You can’t handle the truth!”
That’s only partially true insofar as I used “always” colloquially, not literally. However, comparing the two vehicles and assuming proper maintenance, over the same time period, the EV will have a noticeably diminished range whereas the ICE’s reduced range is barely perceptible. Furthermore, one can always carry spare fuel for the ICE.
I believe your down vote was because yours was more quibble than valid correction. Don’t sweat the down votes, nobody pleases everyone.
In Japan, according to the IEA, EV sales fell 25% in 2020 and the EV market has fallen in absolute and relative terms every year since 2017. In 2017 registrations were 54,000 or 1% of sales. In 2020 there were 29,000 registrations equivalent to 0.6% of sales.
About half their the “savings” from EV’s is due to not paying the road fuel taxes that are put on gas and diesel. Once EV’s get above a trivial percentage, governments will start figuring out a way to plug that hole.
In the UK vehicles have to pay vehicle excise duty (also known as road tax) as well as fuel duties and EVs are currently exempt from that tax as well. In total these taxes bring in over £30 billion pa to the UK government.
“Slo Joe” is just half-fast.
Playing Russian Roulette with Reliable Electricity Service to New England
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/playing-russian-roulette-with-reliable-electricity-service-to-new
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WIND AND SOLAR TO PROVIDE 30 PERCENT OF NEW ENGLAND ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION BY 2050https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-provide-50-percent-of-future-new-england
All of us have read about utilities remotely sucking on millions of EV batteries to reduce their peak demands, IN THE FUTURE, where all is NIRVANA, which we reach at ZERO COST, per Biden. Schumer, Pelosi, and other such Dem/Prog folks
Here is how it would work:
If 3 EVs originally drew 100 kWh AC from wall outlets, about 85.0 kWh DC would end up in the batteries, but about 1.5 kWh DC would have been drawn from the batteries to power various auxiliary systems during charging, for a net of 83.5 kWh DC in batteries.
A utility drawing electricity from the EV battery, such as during peak demands, as part of Grid Load Shaping, would cause a loss of about 10%, due to 1) battery discharge losses, 2) converting the DC to synchronous AC, and 3) feeding the AC into distribution grids via a step-up transformer.
If 100 kWh AC were originally drawn from the grid, about 75.2 kWh AC would be returned to the grid, for a loss of 24.9%
Would the EV owners be properly compensated by the utility, including wear and tear of the EV batteries? See URL
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/poor-economics-of-electric-vehicles-in-new-england
Just wonderfully simplistic! . . . this concept is fundamentally based on the unsupportable assumption that all EV owners will diligently connect their EVs to the grid (via their at-home charging station) when not being driven.
It totally missed the fact that an owner returning with, say, a 90% of full-charge level may just elect to park his/her at a more convenient spot, and therefore not reconnect to the grid. Also, people are very likely to be out on the road (i.e., disconnected from the grid) at the times of highest demand for electricity; that is morning and afternoon, when battery backup for load-leveling is most needed.
Also, any plan of using grid-connected EVs to support the grid, at a round trip inefficiency of about 25% would appear to set humanity up for the greatest single waste of electrical power since the invention of the filament-heated electric light bulb (although cryptocurrency “mining” would be in a neck-in-neck race for this distinction 🙂 ).
They greentards keep talking about these new jobs but I don’t see where they would come about except for a few install technicians which lets face it are pretty low paid. All I see is highly paid fossil fuel jobs being traded for less low paid jobs.
“Let’s beat climate change.”
Do you really want that? Do you want the global climate to become static? Then we’d REALLY be in a world of hurt.
Clueless? Meet stupid c*nt.
Cupid Stunt
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The electric F150 is going to start at $40k.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/
It’ll be great for everything except road trips. If you frequently drive more than 200 miles in a day, Tesla has the only charging network for you.
I bet there will be close to zero of the $40,000 models built & sold … see the rest of the story: The entry model starts at $39,974 MSRP (commercial-oriented). More-equipped mid-series (XLT) starts at $52,974 MSRP, offering additional comfort and technology. MSRP starting at $39,974 up to around $90,474.
So a nice one for 90,000 plus taxes etc.
Or actually carry any type of cargo. This turd can’t even replace my Dodge Grand Caravan much less a real truck.
Please tell me this is a made up story…..
Nobody is both that insensitive and that thick to imagine people struggling to find an extra $20 to fill their tanks with fuel, can ever imagine buying a new car, let alone a new hyper priced car that only works when the computer say…”yes”.
What ever you do, don’t ask any White House spokes person if shutting down oil pipelines and banning oil exploration on federal lands, might be contributing to the painfully high gas (petrol) prices in the USA.
Honestly FJB
He’s already …
He is just to far gone to know it yet.
Biden lives in a world of isolation with his lefty climate change controllers who are pulling the strings . .
* “The average household income for EV buyers is about $140,000. That’s roughly two times the U.S. average. And yet, federal EV tax credits force low- and middle-income taxpayers to subsidize the Benz and Beemer crowd”
https://principia-scientific.com/electric-vehicles-on-collision-course-with-reality/
How Much Oil is in an Electric Vehicle?https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-much-oil-electric-vehicle/
The problem is poverty in America…
Poor people can’t buy any sort of car
If there is any logic in your statement it is well hidden. People defined as “poor” in the US often own cars, cell phones, colour TV’s, select Romic game consoles, a full set of home appliances and sport trendy name brand clothes. Not all of course but many. You seem to lament that some people in the US can’t buy a car while your many comments suggest you celebrate when they can’t afford fossil fuels.
griff, that really is a pathetic remark and shows that you have no grasp of the issues that people have been raising on this thread.
I advise you to read the principia scientific article posted by richard above
griff doesn’t need reality. His knowledge of the world is limited to the editorial pages of the Guardian and whatever trash the BBC is publishing today.
The poor in America and many middle class savers buy used cars in a very large market with tech tools to locate the ones they are looking for or corner used car lots for the very cheap ones. These buyers have been harmed by the regulatory drive for more fuel efficient fleets and the Detroit response to those mandates. The harm is when used car quality goes down and complexity/repair costs rise from things like turbos, VVT transmissions, and other new adaptations tested on hapless buyers. The next wave of this harm is about to come from the wave of used EVs with even higher repair and component costs. A dwindling pool of old reliable models will do a lot of damage to the poor and offering large EV tax credits to the rich will not solve that. The mechanics saying that rich people buy Toyotas and poor people buy Mercedes and BMW will take on new meaning with the unknown quality issues of new EV makers and their performance claims.
The problem is stupidity in your average leftist.
The reality is that there is no poverty in the US. The poverty line in the US is defined as a set fraction of the median income.
The reality is that “poor” people in the US can afford multiple cars, big screen TV’s, the latest iPhones and can eat fast food multiple times a week.
The average “poor” person in the US would qualify as middle class in most of Europe.
The average “poor” person in the US is rich compared to most of the people in the world.
To repeat that, the average “poor” family in the US has 2 to 3 cars. So as usual griff lies.
And you would be an expert on the economic condition of America because you read the Guardian and Telegraph? You obviously don’t realize how foolish you appear to people who actually have first-hand experience with the situations you comment on.
Marie Antoinette. Let them eat cake. A few weeks later she lost her head.
Am I an optimist?
If Joe keeps digging, he may reach his bosses in China.
Here in Canada, 70 percent of cars on the road were bought used. The new car market is actually a minor subset of the car market. The luxury care market is a minor subset of the new car market. The EV market is a minor subset of the luxury car market.
What percentage of EV owners own more than one car? I’ll bet it’s well over 80 percent. You’ve got your Tesla for whipping around town, and you’re real car for when you want to leave the city.
I love how rich people almost always eventually let slip that they have no real clue or interest in how real middle class people live their lives. As President Biden has now done.
Good summary
+20
I am an old man now, but I live in Alberta, Canada, and I spent ten years working for oil companies. I met a lot of oilfield roughnecks. These were often men who had not completed high school. These were young (a roughneck older than thirty is in a minority), strong and courageous people. They worked long hours (like, sixty a week) and a roughneck who worked eleven months in a year would have easily outearned an associate in a successful law firm.
Of course, when you work on an oil rig, you are running a significant risk of serious injury or even death. Every roughneck I spoke to had a story about somebody he knew who had been killed (Mos oftent by sudden emissions of sour gas.) I knew at least ten men with missing fingers and toes. Working to fatigue around spinning pieces of steel is very hard on the fingers and toes.
Anyway, being an oilfield roughneck is for a small and gifted subset of young men There is no way the green energy industry could ever employ the same cohort at the same wages.
What time period are u taking about for the H2S deaths …. I worked in the oil patch (geologist) from 1980 to 2010 and H2S deaths were extremely rare.
By the 1990’s accidents on the rigs were getting pretty rare … however we did have one operator who got caught up in the workings of a very big pump jack … I suspect a suicide since to do that by accident would be very tough.
The nastiest accident was a rig worker following the rig on a move down a dusty gravel road. The rig stopped and the worker plowed into the stationary rig hidden in the dust cloud and decapitated himself. Really a highway accident.
Actually, Stewart, I was speaking of the seventies. That was a bad time on the rigs in Alberta. Common accidents involved the winding chains for extracting the drilling stems, which would catch the thumbs of men whose job was to keep the chains from overlapping as they wound around the stems. Also, sour gas incidents were quite common. Or people would get their feet crushed. In Alberta at that time, the only industry more dangerous than the rigs was farming.
There were no rules at that time restricting worker hours, so crews would often work to the point of fatigue.
I surveyed wellsites and pipelines, so my contact with the actual business of drilling and servicing rigs was on the margins, so to speak. I did work on a service rig as a roughneck in training for two days, but was (mercifully) fired. I had no business working on an oil rig, because I lacked the strength and stamina you need for that line of work.
His administration will not survive Huner the Movie
Biden is too stupid to understand that the workers who will make electric cars will be the same workers that used to make internal combustion engine cars that were laid off because of his stupidity. There will be no new jobs. Just increased costs.
100K bill for a toy car should help those in need who can’t afford fuel.
And with new “smart meters” your use of coal powered electricity can be controlled with the flip of switch.
You can’t make up the stupid (evil) here.
Meanwhile the joker has more games to play…..
Biden Releases Sour Crude That’s Out of Favor With U.S. Refiners (yahoo.com)
What else do you expect to hear coming from someone whose “brain” is mush and can’t even tell you which way the wind blows?
Gas at the pump this morning: regular: $3.759/gallon. The other two higher octane levels were $4.559 and $4.759 per gallon.
I can remember when the spread between grades was $0.10 per gallon! And, you cold buy 105 octane gasoline.
The origin and meaning of “Let them eat cake” is in doubt.
But Biden did just say, “Let them drive cake”.
What a liberal idiot. This bum is brain dead. No EVs for me ever.