Guest “Illuminati Reveal” by Eric Worrall
Shadows everywhere: The possibility that people might want to reject climate lockdowns and Covid lockdowns of their own volition does not seem to occur to BBC conspiracy theorists.
Covid denial to climate denial: How conspiracists are shifting focus
By Marianna Spring
Specialist disinformation reporter, BBC NewsMembers of an online movement infected with pandemic conspiracies are shifting their focus – and are increasingly peddling falsehoods about climate change.
Matthew is convinced that shadowy forces lie behind two of the biggest news stories of our time, and that he’s not being told the truth.
“This whole campaign of fear and propaganda is an attempt to try and drive some agenda,” he says. “It doesn’t matter whether it’s climate change or a virus or something else.”
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And recently, groups like the ones he’s a part of have been sharing misleading claims not only about Covid, but about climate change. He sees “Covid and climate propaganda” as part of the same so-called plot.
The White Rose network
It’s part of a larger pattern. Anti-lockdown and anti-vaccine Telegram groups, which once focused exclusively on the pandemic, are now injecting the climate change debate with the same conspiratorial narratives they use to explain the pandemic.
The posts go far beyond political criticism and debate – they’re full of incorrect information, fake stories and pseudoscience.
According to researchers at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD), a think tank that researches global disinformation trends, some anti-lockdown groups have become polluted by misleading posts about climate change being overplayed, or even a so-called “hoax” designed to control people.
“Increasingly, terminology around Covid-19 measures is being used to stoke fear and mobilise against climate action,” says the ISD’s Jennie King.
She says this isn’t really about climate as a policy issue.
“It’s the fact that these are really neat vectors to get themes like power, personal freedom, agency, citizen against state, loss of traditional lifestyles – to get all of those ideas to a much broader audience.”
One group which has adopted such ideas is the White Rose – a network with locally-run subgroups around the world, from the UK to the US, Germany and New Zealand – where Matthew came across it.
“It’s not run by any one or two people,” Matthew explains. “It’s kind of a decentralised community organisation, so you obtain stickers and then post them on lampposts and things like that.”
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While we chat, he mentions “The Great Reset” – an unfounded conspiracy theory that a global elite is using the pandemic to establish a shadowy New World Order, a “super-government” that will control the lives of citizens around the world.
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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-59255165
The Great Reset is a public programme promoted by the World Economic Forum, the group which holds a $50,000 / ticket event every year in Davos, Switzerland. A simple google search turns up the WEF page near the top of the list of searches. The page cites Covid and climate change as justifications for their programme.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
In my opinion there is room to debate the true nature of the Great Reset programme, but calling it “unfounded”, as in non-existent, is at best plain ignorant, and well below the BBC journalistic standards we once thought we had a right to expect.
As for the White Rose network, never heard of it. I have no doubt White Rose and many similar groups exist, in our unsettled world there are plenty of concerned people seeking out like minded fellows. But some groups are run by people with their own agenda, who are not acting in their member’s best interests, and any significant group will be heavy monitored by the government, so I strongly urge caution for anyone who participates in large private social media groups.
In Britain there is a “malicious communication act”, which makes it an offence to distribute written material which causes offence or anxiety, which has been used to arrest people campaigning against British government Covid policy. I am not a lawyer, but in my opinion it is only a matter of time before this act is used against people who oppose other high priority government policies in Britain. Be careful what electronic footprints you leave, your words could be misinterpreted. Above all, stay within the law, wherever you live.
Correction (EW): The annual “Great Reset” WEF Davos event costs more than $50,000. According to Wikipedia, In 2011 an annual membership cost $52,000 for an individual member, $263,000 for “Industry Partner” and $527,000 for “Strategic Partner”. An admission fee cost $19,000 per person. In 2014, WEF raised annual fees by 20 percent, bringing the cost for “Strategic Partner” from CHF 500,000 ($523,000) to CHF 600,000 ($628,000)
“Specialist disinformation reporter”.
Priceless!
The fool doesn’t have a clue. The ‘White Rose’ is named after ‘Die Weisse Rose’, which was a similarly organised anti-fascist resistance group in Nazi Germany, the only one in fact. All its members have been executed on discovery.
I mean Marianna Spring, of course.
Who else could you have meant? 😉
An intelligent and perceptive person can explain why someone who refuses to answer the hard questions and resorts to denigrating the questioner has the weakest of cases but cannot afford to admit this. This applies equally to climate alarmists and covid alarmists.
I would ask the BBC and climate alarmists a single question: Why do billionaires, who push governments to squeeze billions from the masses for climate policies, not lead by using their vast fortunes to show us this can work? If climate change is going to lead to the demise of mankind and they really cared, they would not hesitate giving up their wealth.
What a job title: specialist disinformation reporter. Shows the BBC is taking positions and no longer objective.
There is one, it sells the idea that a trace atmospheric gas, of which less than 4% is “manmade”, is going to cause a catastrophic change in the environment of the world, if it can manage to raise the “global average temperature” by more than 1.5 degrees C.
“BBC journalistic standards we once thought we had a right to expect”
Reminds me, as a small child, in the mid ’50s, visiting my grandparents here in Massachusetts- I loved listening to their ancient 4′ tall wood radio, probably made in the ’30s. I’d always tune into the BBC. I was so impressed by the speakers- as they sounded God like.
Shadows everywhere: The possibility that people might want to reject climate lockdowns and Covid lockdowns of their own volition does not seem to occur to BBC conspiracy theorists. – article
This is all kind of turning into something out of an Alfred Hitchcock movie. I’m not waiting for Norman Bates to leer at his dried-up old husk of a dead momma, nor am I on tenterhooks waiting for a flock of hysterical sparrows to come flying out of the chimney. But this whole thing — all the hysterics and non-factual info [stuff with no backup, just hysterics] is moving more and more in the direction of a cross between Monty Python (Bring our yer dead!), “The Birds”, and a Lon Cheney movie.
Seriously, the whole thing has become thoroughly obnoxious but without being kept aware of it by site like WUWT, the majority of us might be much worse off. Skepticism is rampant in me right now – skepticism about LOTS of things, mostly due to the hysterics in the entire Greenbeaner shtick about climate/pandemics/CO2 loads, etc., etc., etc.
Can’t afford to look away from this train wreck, and I do sometimes wonder just how much more crazy pants stuff is coming down the pike. This has all snowballed into money grubbing ego feeding frenzies by CAGWer political specimens.
However, there is some hope: most of it seems to be hot air. It’s probably the only thing keeping us out of the next ice sheet growths and advances.
If it weren’t for projection, the left would have no accusations to levy against their opponents.
If you ever want to know what a leftist is doing, just look at what they are accusing their opponents of doing. And double it.
I wonder if it is easy to get into an event like this for free? Here in the US, large events typically need a ton of support staff, most of the work can suck such as being a caterer or the equivalent of an usher.
However, it’s a cheap legal way to be the proverbial fly on the wall.
The Sars-Cov-2 virus is real and so is the Covid-19 disease. However, the disease is fatal to a small and well-known subset of the population. The risk factors are non-controversial. Deaths of healthy people under 50 are few and far between. Younger people have a near-zero statistical chance of death from Covid. So how did it become the plague of the 21st century?
But very many survivors have only survived thanks to weeks in hospital/ICUs.
and the death rate is far worse than flu.
For what age griff? For what age?
Judging by your response, I’m not sure you understand. Most of the people who get Covid don’t know they have it. They are either asympomatic or the symptoms are so mild they believe they have a cold.
Let me repeat, the disease is fatal to a small and well-known subset of the population. The flu however, strikes young and old alike. Children are at a higher risk of the death from the flu than from Covid. Adults are very unlikely to catch Covid from children.
So, Griff, what is society to do? The ChiCom virus gave me WuFlu three times, the latest bout months after the two jabs.
My personal belief is that the ChiCom virus will be with us forever and society cannot maintain hysteria forever. Normal people will carry on with their lives as in the past and accept the vagaries of the WuFlu as we accept all other life dangers. Governmental programs are solely for the benefit of government bureaucrats.
What do the Brits say … Carry On?
I wrote the following a while ago trying to inject some sense into a group to which I belong, the death rate is not worse than the flu.
In 2020 71% of the deaths attributed to Covid 19 were in the over 80 age group. I say attributed because there is a big difference between dying from Covid 19 and dying with Covid 19. Most of the population in the over 70 age group has or have at least one co-morbidity and almost all of the over 80 age group suffers from at least one debilitating disease. From the latest BCCDC Covid 19 report,
adults 70+ years comprise 10% of COVID-19 cases, commensurate with their share of the general population of BC (13%), but are greatly over-represented among hospitalizations (44%) and deaths (90%). Older adults 60-69 years comprise 8% of COVID-19 cases, and a greater proportion of hospitalizations (18%) but a lower proportion of deaths (7%) relative to their share of the BC population (13%). Adults 40-59 years comprise 28% of COVID-19 cases and 23% of hospitalizations, which is commensurate with their share of the BC population (27%), but they are under-represented among COVID-19 deaths (3%). Adults 20-39 years comprise a greater share of COVID-19 cases (41%) than their share of the BC population (28%), but are under-represented among COVID-19 hospitalizations (13%) and deaths (<1%). Children <20 years are under-represented overall among COVID-19 cases (13%) as well as severe outcomes (2% or less), relative to their share of the BC general population (19%).
Severe outcome in this context means ICU admittance or death, in the under 20 age group the percentage of total deaths is zero, the final sentence in the above is misleading and written differently than those sentences preceding for reasons known only to the BCCDC.
The average age of death in BC is 82.24, the median age of death attributed to Covid 19 is 83, which says to me that many if not most of the people over 80 who died from or with Covid 19 would have died in any event within the next year or so.
The death rate for all causes in BC is 2.5 deaths per 1000 people, the death rate from Covid 19 for BC as a whole is .27 per 1000 and VIHA is .03 deaths per 1000 people or to put it another way, 3 deaths per 100,000. If you’re under 60 and older than 2 your average chance of dying from Covid 19 is 1.5% and 1.5% of .03 is .00045, a rounding error.
Addendum: on average 18 people per 100000 died of the flu every year in Canada up until 2020. That means in VIHA 18×8.5 (153) people should have died from the flu in 2020 but no-one did and only 24 people died from Covid, let that one settle in for a while.
Please don’t distract our efficient witch-burning team with irrelevant facts.
WTF??
The death rate is between 1 – 2.5%
In absolute dire worst case Russia it’s only 3.1%.
I think more people die of HIV/Aids and Malaria in Africa than of Sars.
In 2019, there were an estimated 229 million cases of malaria worldwide (nearly of it entirely preventeable)
Malaria killed 409 000 people in 2019 and 411 000 in 2018, most of them babies and toddlers in sub-Saharan Africa.
Leftists are utterly convinced that their notions are so perfect that only an utter idiot, or someone consumed by evil, would disagree with them.
That’s why they are always inventing vast conspiracies to explain why most people reject their nonsense.
er… what about all those right wingers following QANON, saying wildfires are caused by govt space lasers, all that agenda 21/30 and NWO stuff? I seem to remember the Texas National Guard getting called out due to a supposed plot to hide govt troops under abandoned Walmarts.
right wing USA is synomymous with conspiracy theory.
It really is amazing the kind of nonsense griff seems to believe. If he hears one thing it instantly becomes something that all conservatives/skeptics believe.
Then again, griff has never been paid to actually think for itself.
As to agenda 21, you have been shown their website and the list of people who belong to the organization many times. Just as you have been shown evidence that refutes your climate beliefs. Then again, for you, this has never been about data or science.
Mark, agenda 21 as written about on right wing sites IS a conspiracy theory.
So accurately quoting an organization about it’s goals, is a conspiracy.
What the hell? Where do you get this stuff from Griffy? I’m guessing it’s not the same place as the left-wing conspiracy sites that believed things like if Trump got into office he’d destroy environmental data? Or that an apocalypse is imminent? Face it, there are fringe conspiracy theorists on both the right and the left but they are not synonymous with the majority of the right or left.
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/11/conspiracy-theorists-claim-california-wildfires-caused-by-space-lasers/
So if someone posts something on the internet, that proves that all skeptics believe it.
Griff, I know that you aren’t capable of rational thought, but do you have to go out of your way to prove it so frequently?
ROFL the best example of “non sequitur” argument ever.
Never let facts and logic get in the way of a good argument.
I do a lot of reading, and this is the first I have read this! It seems that you are more attracted to fantasy than I am.
Any country where an individual can be punished for saying something the government disagrees with, cannot be called a free country.,
There are usually constraints from every country.
You are US based and I don’t know the US law to this degree so lets try a couple
Can you publish or talk about US official secrets?
Can you call for the overthrow of the US constitution by force if necessary?
Denying the Great Reset exists is the same strategy the US leftist media is attempting on CRT in denying by denying it exists. It’s a “Don’t believe your lying eyes” gaslighting in other words.
After seeing the BBC’s version of the Climate Gate affair in their docufarce ‘The Trick’ I sent them a complaint about it and their climate reporting in general. This week I received a response from which I quote a part:
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‘It is important to note that the BBC takes its editorial responsibility seriously when reporting on climate change. We acknowledge the weight of scientific consensus around climate change and this underpins all of our reporting of the subject. The scientific community has reached a significant consensus on man-made global warming. We therefore reflect that with due weight when reporting on the science involved.
This does not mean, however, that we should never speak to someone who opposes this consensus, especially if they are influential in the political debate about how to tackle climate change. There are times when it is editorially appropriate to hear from a dissenting voice.
There’s no obligation to include an alternative viewpoint within each and every individual programme. Rather, we achieve due impartiality on the political angles – when required – over a reasonable period of time. The merit of doing so is decided by the editor with the specific context in mind on each occasion.
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I believe this explains a lot. We give a high weight to ‘concensus’ but nevertheless believe we are impartial. And the (scientifically naive) ‘editor’ decides when an alternative view has merit in particular in the political context.
I had in my complaint set out specifically that ‘consensus’ is not the same as ‘being right’ and had mentioned the Common’s Select Commission that had reported on the groupthink (‘consensus’) in the decision making about the covid outbreak.
The BBC clearly doesn’t get it.
They aren’t paid to “get it”, they are paid to advance the government line.
The UK govt is busy trying to defund the BBC because it doesn’t follow the govt line…
The government is in the process of defunding the BBC. Lie number 1.
That the BBC doesn’t follow the government line. Lie number 2.
That seems like a random claim provide some links to back up claim.
“There are times when it is editorially appropriate to hear from a dissenting voice.” If an editor doesn’t hear from a dissenting voice on every story, he isn’t an editor, he is a propagandist.
And proud of it.
The BBC’s honoring of the scientific method in its reporting disappeared many years ago.
However, I still like its videos of various animals on planet Earth doing what they are naturally inclined to do . . . they still have many of best videographers/filmmakers concentrating on nature.
““This whole campaign of fear and propaganda is an attempt to try and drive some agenda,”
Wow, is there a better example of “projection”?
Very few people here will accept it, but there is a substantial representation among us who are closely aligned with the tin foil hat brigades that see everything about climate change alarmism to mask wearing to vaccines through the prism of conspiracies between deep state, the media, and academia. They are unable to engage any of these kinds of issues objectively and reflexively line up in one direction like little magnets pointing towards one particular political pole.
Post a list of all who qualify…
This whole campaign of fear and propaganda is an attempt to try and drive some agenda
talk about a lack of self-awareness…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59251912 some more from the BBC
My experience is if a person embraces one conspiracy theory, they are more likely to embrace another.
Additional experience shows the climate mongers will do anything do discredit skeptics except talk about the actual science. Dismissing skeptics as kooks, deniers and conspiracy-theorists provides an excuse to not engage on the facts.
Finally, climate mongers and other leftists whole-heartedly embrace many memes that just aren’t true. They swim in conspiracy theories daily.
When all you have is a hammer …
Just look at griff claiming that rich right wingers secretly run the world.
I’m pointing out that rich right wingers do have a very considerable influence on the world and have done for decades… and I don’t see the great reset as substantially being different from their previous way of influencing things.
Meanwhile people here constantly tell me climate science is a marxist/leftist idea intended to foist socialism on the world… if that isn’t a conspiracy theory…
More climate propaganda from the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct2yqj – The Denial Files featuring Mann, hosted by Marianna Spring
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00114h2 – The Hack That Change the World featuring Phil Jones
Meanwhile in the USA, the fascist FBI gestapo executed a search warrant (using 20+ agents) against the elected County Clerk of Mesa County, Colorado and her staff seizing electronic devices, at the behest of the corrupt Colorado Sec. of State (democrat). The alleged federal crime? Preserving election data from Nov. 2020 as required by U.S. federal law before the Dominion Voting goons wiped all the voting machines with clean software installs:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/fbi-raids-home-county-clerk-whistleblower-tina-peters-state-official-refused-wipe-election-data-computers-without-making-copy/
How apropos! The BBC is finally naming their employee’s roles properly.
Strange that the BBC is blissfully unaware that the “climate conspiracy” was uncovered more than a decade ago by a bunch of leaked emails, and is therefore real.
Those emails prove nothing at all…
I thought they were a real eye opener. Before I read the climategate emails I assumed they were just scientific frauds. After reading the climategate emails I realised something much stranger was happening – they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing, even when they hid declines, pressured scientific journals to fire editors who allowed papers they didn’t like, and tried to hide information from their opponents.
like poor Griff is unable to prove anything at all..
maybe he needs to go to strip club to wise up about science?
“We might continue doing physics, or we might watch the ladies dancing on the stage.
….this was the sort of entertainment that he liked. But it was kind of deceptive because, believe it or not, although this particular environment might not seem conducive to doing something like theoretical physics, over the years, Feynman actually did an enormous number of calculations in that place.”
Of course, anything’s theoretical in a strip club.
“BBC Believes a Conspiracy Drives Climate Conspiracy Theories”
That’s odd, I agree with them completely . . ; )